Wrestlemania 25 (Spoilers, Rumours, Speculation, News)

Degag

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Yeah, you're ordering Mania just because it's Mania.
Meh, i've better things to do with 25 quid personally.

I'm gueesing you'll be viewing mania through other means... i don't really have a good enough internet connection for that unfortunately.

ShawnRaven

Degag wrote: »

I'm gueesing you'll be viewing mania through other means... i don't really have a good enough internet connection for that unfortunately.

I'll end up buying the blu-ray when it comes out, but i'm not so sure if i'll bother with it live, not this year.

Degag

Pffft, as you said, i'll probably end up buying this... I shouldn't because if other like minded souls did the same, it might teach the WWE a lesson!!! Unlikely of course. The card just seems such a let down.

ShawnRaven

Degag wrote: »

Pffft, as you said, i'll probably end up buying this... I shouldn't because if other like minded souls did the same, it might teach the WWE a lesson!!! Unlikely of course. The card just seems such a let down.

Easiest way to hit Vince McMahon is in his wallet, however that's not going to happen any time soon. Me, i'm just an avid collector, and blu-ray does look a lot nicer than NTL's mucky picture quality, or a dodgy stream.

flahavaj

Degag wrote: »

Man, when i heard jbl say that what he'd be doing at WM would be historic, monumentous, unhead of before etc. yada yada.... i thought it'd be better than rey rey... If this card was booked for no mercy or armageddon etc, it'd still be a pretty unspectacular PPV.:(

He'll most likely announce his retirement after the match, to a pretty good reception after the match, given the location. Good news if it means he'll go back on commentary duties at least.

OrtonViper

I don't know why people think this Mania will be so bad.

Edge vs.Cena vs. Show - will be the worst big profile match of the night, but it can't be much worse than last years triple threat.

HBK vs. Taker - if it lives up to the possibilities then it will be a lot better than any match recent Mania's, bar maybe Flair vs. HBK.

Orton vs. HHH - I'm loving the build up, to me it has the feel of what a real Mania main event should be.

The Jericho saga - You're all compalining about a handicap match, might I remind you nothing has been in the slightest bit confirmed.

We get to see the tag titles unified, thank god. Maybe there should be one more big match. But I'm definatly watching this.

grames_bond

OrtonViper wrote: »

The Jericho saga - You're all compalining about a handicap match, might I remind you nothing has been in the slightest bit confirmed.

im still worried about this, i mean it had the potential to be something huge but what they have done recently.,....is just mind boggling! id say their original plan fell through and its a band aid approach right now, but im prayin they rectify it somehow....*fingers crossed*

Furious-Red

flahavaj wrote: »

Degag wrote: »

Man, when i heard jbl say that what he'd be doing at WM would be historic, monumentous, unhead of before etc. yada yada.... i thought it'd be better than rey rey... If this card was booked for no mercy or armageddon etc, it'd still be a pretty unspectacular PPV.:(

He'll most likely announce his retirement after the match, to a pretty good reception after the match, given the location. Good news if it means he'll go back on commentary duties at least.

Yea i think he plans on retiring with the IC belt.

ShawnRaven

Furious-Red wrote: »

Yea i think he plans on retiring with the IC belt.

Because that will up the prestige of that belt, knowing that BRADSHAW retired with it. You think of the greats in the past

Patterson, Muraco, Savage, Steamboat, Harts, Austin, Rock, HHH, Angle, Jericho, Guerrero to name a few...

... do you really think people are going to put f*ckin' Bradshaw in with that list as far as memory and legacy goes?

Uh, i don't f*cking think so!

Rjd2

Rey will win, take the belt and move to Smackdown in the draft while

MVP

will go the other way with the US title.

pingu_girl

OrtonViper wrote: »

I don't know why people think this Mania will be so bad.

Edge vs.Cena vs. Show - will be the worst big profile match of the night, but it can't be much worse than last years triple threat.

HBK vs. Taker - if it lives up to the possibilities then it will be a lot better than any match recent Mania's, bar maybe Flair vs. HBK.

Orton vs. HHH - I'm loving the build up, to me it has the feel of what a real Mania main event should be.

The Jericho saga - You're all compalining about a handicap match, might I remind you nothing has been in the slightest bit confirmed.

We get to see the tag titles unified, thank god. Maybe there should be one more big match. But I'm definatly watching this.

Don't be forgeting about Matt Hardy vs Jeff "tha's muh dong mang" Hardy that's going to be a savage match.

I'm still hopeful for Jericho's match even though if its the handicap match it will be desperate bit of hulkamania wouldn't go astray like.

Anybody know what the deal is with Austin and how come he is not involved in mania at all as of yet? I thought by the original poster he'd have a big part in it

ShawnRaven

Sorry to disappoint ya folks, but Matt v Jeff stunk up the ring the last time that was tried, and they haven't changed that much in over seven years. If anything, Matt has gotten worse!!

krudler

I've never rated JBL, he was a good commentator but his transformation from jobber to "wrestling god" practically overnight was just ridiculous

ShawnRaven

krudler wrote: »

I've never rated JBL, he was a good commentator but his transformation from jobber to "wrestling god" practically overnight was just ridiculous

I'd tend to be on the same wavelength here too. And the sickening thing was, Eddie Guerrero had to be the sacrificial lamb in order to get him over!

amacachi

I'm just hoping for a nice big spotfest from the Hardys, best I can see happening.

Rjd2

Both of them were tag specalists 7 years agp, both have turned into solid single wresters since then. Matt was great last year, he got great matches out f bums last year on ECW. He and Jeff will put on a very solid match.

callaway92

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint ya folks, but Matt v Jeff stunk up the ring the last time that was tried, and they haven't changed that much in over seven years. If anything, Matt has gotten worse!!

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dsmythy

Anyone else think there is a major heel turn for someone at Wrestlemania coming up?

I'm sure WWE scan the web to see how people are reacting to it's programming outside of sales and ratings and a general consensus seems to be forming that the card at this WM may be a bit weak. Personally i think it's fine and that there will be a couple of other surprises to beef it up in store.

Anyway in reacting to people's misgivings about how good this WM may be, perhaps for those, like me, who (perhaps stupidly) buy it regardless, could they turn a major star?

thebeanz

dsmythy wrote: »

Anyone else think there is a major heel turn for someone at Wrestlemania coming up? quote]


Its an idea, but who could they turn? The only guy i could see turning would be if batista turned up and cost HHH his match. But that wouldn't fit into the legacy angle, after that there is only cena. They are going all out with a pg image so i can't see them turning cena. Who is left that would make an impression?

As it is we have plenty of good heels, in fact some of the best heels ever but no faces worth shouting for.

Jolt2007

Can someone actually clear up for me what the rules are for an extreme rules match? Cause from what I can tell it's just the same as a hardcore match which is the same as a no disqualifications match which is the same as a street fight... All very confusing for little old me

ShawnRaven

As long as the heel turn isn't at the very end of the card, then i'm alright with it. But please do not end the PPV with a heel turn, not a Mania. Cos christ knows, that was the one truly wretched thing that ended what was pretty much the perfect Mania eight years ago.

Machismo Fan

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Can someone actually clear up for me what the rules are for an extreme rules match? Cause from what I can tell it's just the same as a hardcore match which is the same as a no disqualifications match which is the same as a street fight

It is indeed pretty much the same thing as a Hardcore match, No Holds Barred, No Disqualification , Street Fight, Unsanctioned match etc.

Rjd2

thebeanz wrote: »

dsmythy wrote: »

Anyone else think there is a major heel turn for someone at Wrestlemania coming up? quote]


Its an idea, but who could they turn? The only guy i could see turning would be if batista turned up and cost HHH his match. But that wouldn't fit into the legacy angle, after that there is only cena. They are going all out with a pg image so i can't see them turning cena. Who is left that would make an impression?
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Batista turning heel would make sense down the line but him coming back to whip HHH at Mania would blow because
1- Orton in storyline land took him out with the toe of doom....
2- He is so over I fear most fans would cheer him when he returns, no matter who he is battering. Its not the reaction that you would want and it would confuse the fans.

grames_bond

ShawnRaven wrote: »

As long as the heel turn isn't at the very end of the card, then i'm alright with it. But please do not end the PPV with a heel turn, not a Mania. Cos christ knows, that was the one truly wretched thing that ended what was pretty much the perfect Mania eight years ago.

wait are you talking about the austin heel turn? i thaught that was savage!

ShawnRaven

grames_bond wrote: »

wait are you talking about the austin heel turn? i thaught that was savage!

It was a disaster. It was a wretched way to end the PPV and could have been easily held off for RAW the following day.

The heel turn was an absolute farce for the company oo.

grames_bond

ShawnRaven wrote: »

It was a disaster. It was a wretched way to end the PPV and could have been easily held off for RAW the following day.

The heel turn was an absolute farce for the company oo.

i kind of agree in that i think the way the turn happened made no sence: vince just sayin "ring the bell its over".....what?!

but i thaught it was really shocking the way it happened, and of course JR sold the hell out of it!

Bounty Hunter

The main turn I could envisage would see Shane-O-Mac join Legacy screwing HHH and setting up a Orton/Steph vs HHH/Shane feud that would spill into the draft the following night and Backlash.


I actually liked the previous turn being discussed although you should not leave the fans pissed and confused at the end of your biggest PPV of the year imo.

CMpunked

ShawnRaven wrote: »

As long as the heel turn isn't at the very end of the card, then i'm alright with it. But please do not end the PPV with a heel turn, not a Mania. Cos christ knows, that was the one truly wretched thing that ended what was pretty much the perfect Mania eight years ago.

You not think that was a fitting end?

ShawnRaven

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

You not think that was a fitting end?

Not for their biggest gig of the year, i genuinely don't. RAW or SD or any other PPV, sure, but in 17 years, the heel never closed the show at Mania, even for IX, they had Hogan swoop the babyface win and sending the fans off happy (save for the smarkys).

Nobody bought into it, and the shock moment was all for nothing and the heel turn was an absolute disaster.

dsmythy

thebeanz wrote: »

dsmythy wrote: »

Anyone else think there is a major heel turn for someone at Wrestlemania coming up? quote]


Its an idea, but who could they turn? The only guy i could see turning would be if batista turned up and cost HHH his match. But that wouldn't fit into the legacy angle, after that there is only cena. They are going all out with a pg image so i can't see them turning cena. Who is left that would make an impression?

As it is we have plenty of good heels, in fact some of the best heels ever but no faces worth shouting for.

Indeed, the choices are rather limited with regards to a big star turning. May have to turn someone further down the pecking order for a turn if there was to be one.

One of HBK or Undertaker could turn during their match depending on booking. A turn which is not just for one night only. For me both are becoming stale as faces.

Outside of that the other matches don't have much potential for a turn really. I'd be looking for the MITB match for one. I know it's obviously no disqualification but someone could use what might seem to be questionable tactics to get the briefcase.

CM Punk somehow robbing Kofi Kingston or Christian of the win would be my favoured option. Christian in particular as it would be in front of a large segment of the audience who regularly discuss wrestling online and are in near love with Christian. He wouldn't be expected to win since he won last year and it would be an interesting contrast between his face win of MITB and this heel win.

Rjd2

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Not for their biggest gig of the year, i genuinely don't. RAW or SD or any other PPV, sure, but in 17 years, the heel never closed the show at Mania, even for IX, they had Hogan swoop the babyface win and sending the fans off happy (save for the smarkys).

Nobody bought into it, and the shock moment was all for nothing and the heel turn was an absolute disaster.

What about Super Hunter at Wrestlemania 16?

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

What about Super Hunter at Wrestlemania 16?

Forgot about that one, although that one ended as another farce too, to back up my point further.

Backlash the following month was awesome though.

callaway92

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Forgot about that one, although that one ended as another farce too, to back up my point further.

Backlash the following month was awesome though.

The crowd when Austins glass smashed..WOW Unreal noise ...I was there

ShawnRaven

Backlash was everything that Wrestlemania should have been that year. Mania 16 has the dubious distinction of being the only one that every match, save for the womens match was either a triple threat, fourway, tag or multi person match. No 1v1 matches.

Truly horrid and forgettable Mania with the exception of the three way tag team ladder match.

grames_bond

callaway92 wrote: »

The crowd when Austins glass smashed..WOW Unreal noise ...I was there

that was definatley one of my favourite PPV's ever! year SR i agree with you, its everything mania should have been?

Rjd2

While heel turns and heels closing Mania is normally something to clear of, I do think when/if Taker loses the streak that has to be the final match of the night. It would to big of a moment not to be last and anything that followed it would get the same dead reaction that Mania 18 main event got.

callaway92

Exactly what RJD said..The only reason takers match would be ME is if taker loses..Anything else and well..you know

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

While heel turns and heels closing Mania is normally something to clear of, I do think when/if Taker loses the streak that has to be the final match of the night. It would to big of a moment not to be last and anything that followed it would get the same dead reaction that Mania 18 main event got.

Major comparison and similarities there. Rock/Hogan should really have gone on last, as crappy as that match was, the moment was destined to steal the show, and anyone who thought they were going to follow it had about as much chance as a snowball's survival in hell.

I'd tend to agree. If HBK is going over in that match, all the titles go secondary towards this. People have obviously made Taker's streak as some sort of big deal, so if it's being built up as such, it should be treated as such.

grames_bond

i kind of do want HBK to end the streak! i know he wont but it would be the total WTF moment!

ShawnRaven

grames_bond wrote: »

i kind of do want HBK to end the streak! i know he wont but it would be the total WTF moment!

Exactly, all the more reason for Shawn to take it.

Rjd2

grames_bond wrote: »

i kind of do want HBK to end the streak! i know he wont but it would be the total WTF moment!

I love HBK like most but to be honest he does not need it and I think it would be wasted on him. I think it should go to somebody on the brink of the main event or if they were ever to seriously turn cena heel, well that's how you would do it. I would love it though if Rey ended by pinning the deadman with the 619 just to see the internet explode:D

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

I love HBK like most but to be honest he does not need it and I think it would be wasted on him. I think it should go to somebody on the brink of the main event or if they were ever to seriously turn cena heel, well that's how you would do it. I would love it though if Rey ended by pinning the deadman with the 619 just to see the internet explode:D

That ultimate opportunity was blown in 2005. Orton was the guy to benefit the most from the dropping of the streak. It didn't happen, and now there's nobody that anyone that's really convincing enough to be put in that spot.

Not this year anyway...

thebeanz

dsmythy wrote: »

thebeanz wrote: »

CM Punk somehow robbing Kofi Kingston or Christian of the win would be my favoured option. Christian in particular as it would be in front of a large segment of the audience who regularly discuss wrestling online and are in near love with Christian. He wouldn't be expected to win since he won last year and it would be an interesting contrast between his face win of MITB and this heel win.

If we did have a heel turn i'd be happy with christian, i don't get him as a face he is a good heel (Or tweener) and should be left as such but that may be saved for another day. As far as mania goes if there was a heel turn, I think a permanent Heel turn for taker would do good, he is beyond stale.

If anything i'd like to see a face turn from someone like edge. How often are fans popping for orton or edge these days? Jeff Hardy was brilliant this year but is stuck in the mid card against his brother. We need guys to root for but they are all being left behind by Orton, Edge and Jericho. Whats the point of creating great heels with no one new put forward challenge them?

Tricity Bendix

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Not this year anyway...

The Miz?

Rjd2

If we did have a heel turn i'd be happy with christian, i don't get him as a face he is a good heel (Or tweener) and should be left as such but that may be saved for another day. As far as mania goes if there was a heel turn, I think a permanent Heel turn for taker would do good, he is beyond stale.

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That would take a lot of work like him or not the man is to over to be honest.Normally the first rule of turning someone heel is have him batter a face?
I mean even if he beat Hunter or Cena to a pulp the fans would still pop. I dunno if he has he mic work these days as well which hinders him. It would be much easier to turn Batista or even Cena heel.

Black Lead

I've read that Chris Jericho vs. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat will be a match on Wrestlemania, Given that Snuka, Piper and Steamboat appeared at the first Wrestlemania its a nice touch with the whole anniversary thing.

thebeanz

Rjd2 wrote: »

It would be much easier to turn Batista or even Cena heel.

I agree, but i don't see it as the pg image is based on guys like cena.
Its a pity they haven't used big dave in the hhh orton feud.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/143095-wrestlemania-xxv-prediction-competition Do you guys run these type of comps? If a thread was posted when the full card is announced i'd be happy to keep an eye on it and process results.

Degag

callaway92 wrote: »

Exactly what RJD said..The only reason takers match would be ME is if taker loses..Anything else and well..you know

Or if he retires;)

Rjd2 wrote: »

I mean even if he beat Hunter or Cena to a pulp the fans would still pop. I dunno if he has he mic work these days as well which hinders him. It would be much easier to turn Batista or even Cena heel.

Big Dave is pretty poor on the mike in fairness... What are you judging taker's mike work on? His one with HBK a few weeks ago was pretty good apart from one botched line.

Black Lead wrote: »

I've read that Chris Jericho vs. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat will be a match on Wrestlemania, Given that Snuka, Piper and Steamboat appeared at the first Wrestlemania its a nice touch with the whole anniversary thing.

The match will blow though.

grames_bond

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Exactly, all the more reason for Shawn to take it.

bring back biker taker!

krudler

ShawnRaven wrote: »

That ultimate opportunity was blown in 2005. Orton was the guy to benefit the most from the dropping of the streak. It didn't happen, and now there's nobody that anyone that's really convincing enough to be put in that spot.

Not this year anyway...

I really wanted Orton to end it then as well, it would have cemented the Legend Killer gimmick, but since it didnt happen and of course there was no way Hogan was going to job to a younger, better athlete with more talent deserving a rub later that year the gimmick didnt work as well, I think I was the only person in my section rooting for Edge last year to win, but that didnt happen either, the streak is pretty worthless imo, out of all 16 matches so far only Orton, HHH, Batista, Edge, have gotten really worthwhile matches out of taker, the rest were either dull as ditchwater or just plain terrible and it reads like a cast of jobbers for the most part