Transformers 2 teaser

That_Guy

Thought it was a very good film tbh. I heard a lot of mixed reviews about it and couldn't really see why people didn't like it. About 30 minutes too long though I think.

It definitely gets 5 stars alone just for that introductory scene with Miss Fox over the bike.

sunzz

Oh dear jesus christ how do people get away with making these movies

Lets take the one positive and be done with it, AMAZING special effects that's about all I took out of it.

I had my brain switched off but after so long I think it switched back on and I was honestly about to leave when "Megan fox" kisses him back to life.

It was basically a film of, lets find this to activate this to find that to get to this that will help us do that for 2 1/2 hours with robots morphing in slow motion, english accents?

In the last movie, megatron was laughing at the human race, was larger than prime was getting shot by tanks, jets the works and was standing there, in this film he was getting machine gunned down

worst film i've seen in a while, bay needs to die.

Simian!

Horrendous film. I can't find one redeeming feature. I was really tempted to walk out of this one - it was the cheap (dog-riding/robot-balls) and vulgar (one of the retarded twin robots says to the other something like 'am gonna piss in yo face' while they're hanging off a wall) attempt at generating laughs that really annoyed me.

Megan Fox is not hot enough to justify sitting through this pile of horse sh1t. Her relationship with Sam is really unconvincing and the whole

tell me you love me

thing was embarrassingly badly done.

Isn't anyone else sick to death of Bay's 360 degree panoramic slow-mo shots and the obligatory getting-out-of-the-car-real-slow shot? I mean try something different for fúcks sake.

The jingoism was full-on in this (destroying parts of the middle-east and levelling Shanghai), and it has a parallel in the first one with the Iranian scientists being too dumb to invent a new technology. America, fúck yeah.

It's worrying to think this was 12A with the way women were portrayed and the blatant xenophobia splashed all over the film. Someone touched on it earlier but I have to bring it up again - what in the hell was the point of that moronic roommate?

The battle scenes were really incoherent - the one in the forest was alright but i spent most of the time trying to figure out what I was looking at instead dropping my jaw. Also, wasn't megatron missing a limb when he was dropped into the abyss?

Did I miss something or did the fúcking limb just reappear magically!?

I won't buy this and I won't pay money to see another sequel.

Galvasean

sunzz wrote: »

I was honestly about to leave when "Megan fox" kisses him back to life.

What film where you watching? Seriously.

Sam was clearly brought back to life by the Primes inside the Matrix (a nod to the old cartoon - something similar happened to Rodimus Prime).

Sticky Romance wrote: »

Also, wasn't megatron missing a limb when he was dropped into the abyss?

Did I miss something or did the fúcking limb just reappear magically!?

Yeah you did miss something:

When the Decepticons find what's left of his body, they rip apart one of the Decepticon goons for spare pieces. It happens on screen. (actually it might go some way to explain why Megatron wasn't as strong as hewas in the first film)

Seriously, why do people not pay attention when watching films and then complain about stuff that actually didn't happen?

BlitzKrieg

Galvasean wrote: »

Yeah you did miss something:

When the Decepticons find what's left of his body, they rip apart one of the Decepticon goons for spare pieces. It happens on screen. (actually it might go some way to explain why Megatron wasn't as strong as hewas in the first film)

Seriously, why do people not pay attention when watching films and then complain about stuff that actually didn't happen?

what I find funny about that scene is that going down they say they are picking up X amount of bogies in the water (think it was 5) and then coming back up the radar operator goes *SIR THERE ARE NOW X+1 (think its six) BOGIES IN THE WATER! As if to panic that the numbers have increased...

but like you said they sacrificed one onscreen.

but hey cant blame viewers to miss things if the filmmakers themselves miss them.

from imdb http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1055369/goofs

Continuity: In the process of reconstructing and reviving Megatron, one of the drop team gets cannibalized by the others, meaning there should only be five Decepticons left - Megatron and the remaining four. When they head for the surface, the sonar tech calls out six objects moving and six objects are seen on the screen, not five.

I have to say the movie has loads of little mistakes going by that page.

Galvasean

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

what I find funny about that scene is that going down they say they are picking up X amount of bogies in the water (think it was 5) and then coming back up the radar operator goes *SIR THERE ARE NOW X+1 (think its six) BOGIES IN THE WATER! As if to panic that the numbers have increased...

I assumed it was one of those 'Oh crap, they woke up the guy we were meant to be guarding! :eek:" moments.

BlitzKrieg

Galvasean wrote: »

I assumed it was one of those 'Oh crap, they woke up the guy we were meant to be guarding! :eek:" moments.

no it was lazy filmmaking

Simian!

Galvasean wrote: »

Seriously, why do people not pay attention when watching films and then complain about stuff that actually didn't happen?

Take it easy - I only asked a question. There was a lot of crap in the film so it was hard to remember that particularly blurry scene. How did the limb of a goon just conveniently fit into megatron's orifice?

Galvasean

Sticky Romance wrote: »

Take it easy - I only asked a question. There was a lot of crap in the film so it was hard to remember that particularly blurry scene. How did the limb of a goon just conveniently fit into megatron's orifice?

Allspark shard. Considering the first movie set a precedent (Frenzy having his whole body regenerated by the Allspark) its not so big a leap (in the context of these movies) that it could re-attach an arm. Bit of re-wiring here and there, bada-bing bada-boom, we have new arms.
ctually, Megatron's arms were a bit puny looking compared to the rest of him - like a T.rex or something.

L31mr0d

stumbled across this. Don't know what it is but it's damn funny

http://www.head-case.org/forums/movies/6613-hilarious-transformers-2-q-style-review.html

Simian!

That is brilliant - that entire post should be copied to one here and made into a Sticky called 'Genuine reasons why Transformers 2 is muck'.

"What is the point of the character of Sam's college roommate, and why the (bleep) does he stay for the entirety of the movie?
I have no clue. He's not comedy relief, because that's covered by 90% of the Transformers themselves. He technically leads the Beef to John Turturro, but surely there could have been another way to do that. Besides, Turturro just leads them to Jetfire anyways. It's all extraneous."

titan18

Meh, the movie was enjoyable to watch, despite the fact that it went on too long and was a piece of crap.Sometimes its nice to watch explosions and Megan Fox and not care about how good a movie is.Slow motion shots of Megan Fox running are very nice too.

CrazyTalk

Just saw it.
I know it had so many things wrong with it, much like that earlier link.
But honestly, I wasn't expecting anything better.
Stuff exploded, and robots got in fights.
Two of the robots were horrible stereotypes but I still laughed because it being a Michael Bay movie, I was allowed to.

Soundwave was cool, being voiced by the guy who did the villian in inspector gadget. I noticed they reused two of his scenes and just changed the dialogue though, pretty lazy!

Galvasean

CrazyTalk wrote: »

Soundwave was cool, being voiced by the guy who did the villian in inspector gadget

Interesting fact, both Doctor Claw and Soundwave (cartoon and movie) are voiced by Frank Welker. In the Transformers cartoon he used his Doctor Claw voice and they ran it through a synthesizer to get that weird sort of echoe he had. Why he didn't have use it in the movie I'm not sure.

Venom

Awesome link

"Can you explain Megan Fox's appeal?
Yes. She looks like a porn star and has the same acting talent as one, yet for some reason she makes mainstream movies. This tonal disconnect is what's so appealing about her."

The posts from fanboys defending such a turd of a movie are amazing in a how do they remember to even breathe in kind of way lol.

Galvasean

You don't have to be a fanboy to enjoy a big silly movie.

fluke

saw this a few hours ago... worst movie I've seen in the cinema in a long time...

and I thought I hit the lowest of the low this summer with Wolverine!

pixelburp

Galvasean wrote: »

You don't have to be a fanboy to enjoy a big silly movie.

Big silly movies are indeed fun & a great antidote to the rigors of daily life.

Transformers 2 however, was a asinine waste of space; a mean-spirited, racist, sexist, right wing, motion-sickness inducing film pretending to be a fun blockbuster because it features some golden cows from 80s' childhood days. A few slow-mo explosions apparently is all it takes to forgive these elements?

Well boll*cks to that; I'm sick to death of it being assumed that because I want brain candy for the summer, that any old rubbish, written during a weekend of the writers strike while locked in a hotel room, will do. We shouldn't be happy with just lowest common demoninator.

I suppose that makes me some Ivory-tower style snob because I'm not content to just enjoy the explosions or Megan fox (who is not hot. There, I said it) & be done with it, eh?

mickoneill30

pixelburp wrote: »

Well boll*cks to that; I'm sick to death of it being assumed that because I want brain candy for the summer, that any old rubbish, written during a weekend of the writers strike while locked in a hotel room, will do.

Ehm you weren't forced to go and see the movie were you? There were other options.

I was forced to see it. My other half insisted (better than a chick flick anyway). It was better than some of the sh*te on recently. I frequently come out of the cinema thinking that I've wasted my money. Wolverine was one of the recent stinkers that comes to mind. Bond last year was a huge letdown etc.. I went in to this expecting to see robots hitting one another. This thread helped me hugely. I was expecting a huge stinking turd and when it wasn't one (in my opinion) I enjoyed it.
I wasn't a big Transformers fan when I was a kid so moving characters names around didn't ruin it for me like it did for some posters.

Look if you didn't like it grand. Other people did. It's called an opinion, you don't have to be a fanboy.

pixelburp

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Ehm you weren't forced to go and see the movie were you? There were other options.
[...]
Look if you didn't like it grand. Other people did. It's called an opinion.

So if I didn't like it I'm not allowed have an opinion? Or debate with others who disagree with me or vice versa?I wasn't forced to go see it, but it's fair game to take apart the movie if people feel it was suitably garbage and not give it a free pass because it's summer & apparently our standards slide. There was a time when the explosion-filled-action movies had a little wit and craft about them.

mickoneill30

pixelburp wrote: »

So if I didn't like it I'm not allowed have an opinion? Or debate with others who disagree with me or vice versa?

Of course you are. What I should have said is that the reviews have been out for weeks and a lot of reviewers are agreeing with you. So in future to save a few quid use the reviewers.

Not to you personally pixelburp but some guys are posting "I saw this (insert recent time here) and it was crap". It's been out weeks. If the reviews say it's crap and this thread says it's crap and your mates say it's crap why give the cinema the money to support it? That's why they make crap

The reason why I went to see it (after all that above) was because my wife wanted to see it. In the first 15 mins I was groaning and thinking of some of the stuff the reviewers had pointed out. After that my brain must have slipped into neutral.

I liked it. Not fantastic but for me it was about as good as Transformers 1.

Handsome Bob

pixelburp wrote: »

racist

?

If you are referring to the twins, all I can say is that I have seen much worse and insulting stereotyping elsewhere. It was just juvenile humour man, nothing sinister behind in my honest opinion.

fluke

anyone notice how the twins looked facially like gremlins?

plus, how the fallen and the elder primes looked a lot like those lego bionicle toys?

pixelburp

LZ5by5 wrote: »

?

If you are referring to the twins, all I can say is that I have seen much worse and insulting stereotyping elsewhere. It was just juvenile humour man, nothing sinister behind in my honest opinion.

Well no they weren't the worst in the world, but I was referring to the various cultural stereotypes of the human characters; the portrayal of the Egyptians were straight out of Team America - that bizarre & pointless scene with the border guard was one that springs to mind. Durka Durka, Me Likey America!

Oh and of course the Paris scene had to feature mimes & snails (ok, that was fairly tame by racist standards, but still, it hardly counters the arguement! )

BlitzKrieg

not so much racist as balls out stereotyping with heavy ribbing.

Though I must admit with Pixelburp on pretty much everything. There are very few redeemable features to this film, even from a braindead perspective. I mean the biggest props I can give the film is that the action scenes are *less* of a mess then the first film. Does it mean they were great action scenes? Well no, I didnt think they were. ANd when you couple that with the countless blatant technical problems you get a film that even if it was forgiven as a brain dead action flick it would be pulled up for being a very badly made action flick and when you go for brain dead, you need to be on that technical aspect really strong because its the editing, camerawork, pacing visual effects and coreography that sells the action minus plot elements. With the exception of visual effects, Transformers either fails to impress or outright facepalms in all those areas.

I ripped into Terminator Salvation for being the most pointless film this year, Transformers is easily the laziest film this year. Though it could easily have been the dumbest aswell, but i havnt seen land of the lost and I hear its pretty dumb.

Galvasean

fluke wrote: »

I liked it. Not fantastic but for me it was about as good as Transformers 1.

I agree with your post (didn't want to quote it all). I don't see why people are acting all surprised about the movie being the way it was having seen the first movie and read the reviews.
Some of the posters here absolutely hated the first movie, went to see this one, only to complain about the tone of the film (which was basically the same as the first). I don't get this kind of logic.

I really can't figure out why so many people are complaining. Just what did they expect, Godfather 2 levels of greatness. If I despise the first part of a franchise I don't pay good money to see the sequel and then spend hours moaning about how bad it was.

For every one person who dislikes the film a dozen like it. Just look at the box office figures, the film has recieved dreadful reviews yet it's become the biggest film of the year and on it's way to being one of the biggest films of all time.

pixelburp

Galvasean wrote: »

I agree with your post (didn't want to quote it all). I don't see why people are acting all surprised about the movie being the way it was having seen the first movie and read the reviews.
Some of the posters here absolutely hated the first movie, went to see this one, only to complain about the tone of the film (which was basically the same as the first). I don't get this kind of logic.

I'm the opposite of that; I enjoyed Transformers 1, I genuinely did. It had a polish and something resembling a craft about it (the scenes with the family were well scripted & actually quite funny. Moments like the Bernie Mac garage cameo again were quite funny & moved the plot forward, as well as give the characters some dimension), notwithstanding quibbles such as the confusing robot fights. Overall though it was goofy fun. Even the Team America schtick was played down a little

Transformers 2 felt like ... well, a sequel. A bloated mess of recycling fed on a diet of steroids to make it bigger, louder and brasher. It was like going into Xmen3 after the first sequel. The general tone was the same, but Rattner managed to mess it all up.

BlitzKrieg

I wanted to earlier put up a comparison of scenes from the 2 films for the recent micheal bay thread, but obviously its quite hard to find clips of t2 on youtube. But comparing the bernie mac scene with the going to college scene and the difference in quality is blatant.

fluke

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Originally Posted by fluke
I liked it. Not fantastic but for me it was about as good as Transformers 1.

Galvasean wrote: »

I agree with your post (didn't want to quote it all). I don't see why people are acting all surprised about the movie being the way it was having seen the first movie and read the reviews.
Some of the posters here absolutely hated the first movie, went to see this one, only to complain about the tone of the film (which was basically the same as the first). I don't get this kind of logic.

Hey i didn't say any of that. You completely misquoted me!