Chimp for sale

bikki

The point i was trying to make was they are specialists. Its not like you or me could walk into a pet shop and walk out with a Chimpanzee

lucky111

SCI wrote: »

You'd be surprised.I know ppl that keep and breed various marmosets and
has a hand tame ring tail Lemar. There is one very big primate keeper in donegal.

If so, why would anyone want to keep such animals

SCI

lucky111 wrote: »

If so, why would anyone want to keep such animals

Why not if you have the resources and knowledge,are you against animal keeping?

lucky111

SCI wrote: »

Why not if you have the resources and knowledge,are you against animal keeping?

:rolleyes:

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

The point i was trying to make was they are specialists. Its not like you or me could walk into a pet shop and walk out with a Chimpanzee

but there are two pet shops mentioned in this thread so i can only presume that you can go in and buy one

bikki

What sort of permit would i need for one of these?

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

What sort of permit would i need for one of these?

ha ha classy .

bikki

But serously theres a big differnce between having one of these



And having one of these

cos!!

bikki wrote: »

The point i was trying to make was they are specialists. Its not like you or me could walk into a pet shop and walk out with a Chimpanzee

but you could!!if a petshop had chimps in stock, they would have the permits needed for importing them, and thats all thats needed!!then anyone willing to fork out the cash could buy one without a licence or even house check!their are no licences needed for any exotics in the roi!!

SCI

bikki wrote: »

But serously theres a big differnce between having one of these



And having one of these

Of course there is but if you know how to keep one what's the problem??

You haven't yet said whats wrong with it?

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

But serously theres a big differnce between having one of these



And having one of these

Ya fecker. What make is the first fella. I want him now

SCI

seanybiker wrote: »

but there are two pet shops mentioned in this thread so i can only presume that you can go in and buy one

Just because the government in the ROI has little or no legation for who can
own an animal or who can open a pet shop, shouldn't mean that people
shouldn't keep an animals others don't under stand.

seanybiker

SCI wrote: »

Just because the government in the ROI has little or no legation for who can
own an animal or who can open a pet shop, shouldn't mean that people
shouldn't keep an animals others don't under stand.

I totally agree with ya. If I had the money and space I would love to have one.

bikki

SCI wrote: »

Of course there is but if you know how to keep one what's the problem??

You haven't yet said whats wrong with it?

Didnt say i did have a problem with it. If they are kept correctly and are ahppy and healthy then i dont c the problem.
I just dont think ur average joe soap can get his hands on a Chimpanzee from your local pet shop.

seanybiker

If ur seroius about getting one of these you should pop into Whackers on the Long Mile Road, the chap in there has these species and im sure he would tell you all u need to know.

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

Didnt say i did have a problem with it. If they are kept correctly and are ahppy and healthy then i dont c the problem.
I just dont think ur average joe soap can get his hands on a Chimpanzee from your local pet shop.

seanybiker

If ur seroius about getting one of these you should pop into Whackers on the Long Mile Road, the chap in there has these species and im sure he would tell you all u need to know.

Seriously i would love one but need more money and room for one. Wouldnt be fair having one without the room. Me brother going to templemore soon. Could give him his room ha ha. I will look into though just to see whats involved.

bikki

I was talking to him today, he was saying u need to get them really young so they bond to you, otherwise they become unhandleable and will take the fingers off you.

Can i interst you in a Sugar Glider?
They are alot cheaper and easier to keep.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mlwzf_bqVI

Rory123

bikki wrote: »

I was talking to him today, he was saying u need to get them really young so they bond to you, otherwise they become unhandleable and will take the fingers off you.

Can i interst you in a Sugar Glider?
They are alot cheaper and easier to keep.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mlwzf_bqVI

I just watched that video today. They are a good series... I prefer videojug.com myself though. She does say "Om" 27 times in under 2.5 mins!

Our man in Havana

How do we get from a primate to a marsupial??

I have & do keep primates - the only time you need a licence is if the primate in question is a cites species then you need the correct paper work to prove the animal is captive bred etc. This is the same for a lot of exotic animals, birds & reptiles.

Now be clever people primates cost a lot of money!! If it seems too cheep its a SCAM!!

As with any thing in life - always see the product/animal in person - at the sellers house or business premises - if you are asked to meet a bloke in a car park - be careful!

Now I can own ANY animal I want! I did see a stunning Liger for sale but I do not have the space nor am I that crazy!!! Also for all the muppets out there - monkeys are not a substitute for a baby!!! So if the misses is broody - suck it up & have a baby & bitey smelly monkey is never going to able to say mummy I love you - i.e not a good baby substitute!

I must say I am so sick of the "is it legal" threads - yes it is! Our government are rather rubbish when it comes to animal laws. Primate should not be for sale in pet shops!

Primates are also social animals & more than 1 of any species should be owned. Otherwise the animal will get stressed

cavedave

SCI

Chimps are cites app 1 and annex a in the EC so yes anyone importing to the EC would need import permits and export permits too.

So would this prevent someone owning a hominid as a pet?

Bond-007

I must say I am so sick of the "is it legal" threads - yes it is! Our government are rather rubbish when it comes to animal laws. Primate should not be for sale in pet shops!

There is a huge difference between an ape and a much smaller primate. I agree that primates are not suitable for pet shops. But I think apes should not be pets at all. The difference between a human and a chimp is tiny compared to that between a chimp and a Baboon.

SCI
Of course there is but if you know how to keep one what's the problem??

You haven't yet said whats wrong with it?

You cannot keep a human as a pet. Humans have rights as sentient beings not to be owned as property. Other less intelligent animlas get rights as well generally roughly equivelant to their intelliegence. We don't believe dogs should be treated similarly to fish for example. Chimps who have tool use and basic language abilities I believe are too intelligent to be kept as pets.

The Sweeper

I think the upshot of this thread is that, to own something like a Chimpanzee, it shouldn't only be a requisite that you have time, space and money. You should also need either experience, or have to attend some sort of training that tells you how to basically care for your animal. That's the part that should be compulsory for the granting of a permit to own one (and yes, the permit should be compulsory too).

Saying that, I have heard a huge number of stunningly stupid "Yeah I'd love to own a Michael Jackson monkey" statements in the pub, and only one in thousands of those will ever pursue it any further than talking crap.

(People and wildlife don't mix. There is a huge difference between owning a domesticated animal, one for whom supermarket shelves stock products for feeding, washing and worming, and owning a wild animal that often cannot stomach or withstand similar treatment to a domestic animal.

I work with someone who runs a wildlife shelter. She confiscated an adult eastern grey kangaroo from a guy who utterly adored it. It was like his best buddy. It was confiscated after it took a fancy to his wife and started to try and ambush her for sweet loving. Not being tank girl, she refused its advances and called the rangers. The kangaroo died in rehabilitation a month after being separated from its owner.

Did it die of sadness?

No.

It died of cirrhosis of the liver because he gave it a tinny of beer every time he sat and watched football with it.)

artieanna

Well said there jack

There is an awful lot lacking though in legislation when anyone with enough cash can get any animal they wish for without proper training in care of said animal.

From what I see there is little or no law in place to prevent the wrong people getting exotic or domestic animals.

Just look at how some dogs and cats are treated in ireland, never mind exotic animals..... the ispca have their work cut out for them..

Bond fair play to you, you know what you are doing, unlike others who just want him coz hes sooo cute...

The Government want to wake up on animal legislation.

Sigma Force

What saddens me is people are saying I was ONE or I want A primate, they are social animals and cannot be kept alone it's downright cruel.
I wouldn't keep a guinea pig alone let alone a primate.

"He sold his last pair because he couldnt handle them, but he has one now hes hand reared from 3 weeks and hes another on the way. He had it out in the shop with him and it was just sitting on his shoulder eating wax worms."

Prob. couldn't handle them because they matured and became aggressive, they aren't all the cuddly little things they appear to be.

They need a huge amount of space not just a shop bought cage, they need expert vet care and enrichment. Exotic vets are few and far between as well, hard to get one in some areas of the country so what happens in an emergency. Irish people in general haven't a clue what they are doing with their dog or cat ..heck we're all still learning about our pets on a daily basis so I although keeping primates seems to be coming more and more common I really hope it doesn't take off in a big way.

How many people have their dogs with a proper tag and collar in this country..there's more dogs in this country that don't so we can't even get that much right never mind trying to get into keeping primates.

Ok there can be exceptions but as a general rule as a nation we need to look after the animals we've already brought into this world before we go looking for more exotic species as pets.

lucky111

Guineapigrescue wrote: »

What saddens me is people are saying I was ONE or I want A primate, they are social animals and cannot be kept alone it's downright cruel.
I wouldn't keep a guinea pig alone let alone a primate.

"He sold his last pair because he couldnt handle them, but he has one now hes hand reared from 3 weeks and hes another on the way. He had it out in the shop with him and it was just sitting on his shoulder eating wax worms."

Prob. couldn't handle them because they matured and became aggressive, they aren't all the cuddly little things they appear to be.

They need a huge amount of space not just a shop bought cage, they need expert vet care and enrichment. Exotic vets are few and far between as well, hard to get one in some areas of the country so what happens in an emergency. Irish people in general haven't a clue what they are doing with their dog or cat ..heck we're all still learning about our pets on a daily basis so I although keeping primates seems to be coming more and more common I really hope it doesn't take off in a big way.

How many people have their dogs with a proper tag and collar in this country..there's more dogs in this country that don't so we can't even get that much right never mind trying to get into keeping primates.

Ok there can be exceptions but as a general rule as a nation we need to look after the animals we've already brought into this world before we go looking for more exotic species as pets.

Well said;)

bikki

Guineapigrescue wrote: »

What saddens me is people are saying I was ONE or I want A primate, they are social animals and cannot be kept alone it's downright cruel.
I wouldn't keep a guinea pig alone let alone a primate.

"He sold his last pair because he couldnt handle them, but he has one now hes hand reared from 3 weeks and hes another on the way. He had it out in the shop with him and it was just sitting on his shoulder eating wax worms."

Prob. couldn't handle them because they matured and became aggressive, they aren't all the cuddly little things they appear to be.

They need a huge amount of space not just a shop bought cage, they need expert vet care and enrichment. Exotic vets are few and far between as well, hard to get one in some areas of the country so what happens in an emergency. Irish people in general haven't a clue what they are doing with their dog or cat ..heck we're all still learning about our pets on a daily basis so I although keeping primates seems to be coming more and more common I really hope it doesn't take off in a big way.

How many people have their dogs with a proper tag and collar in this country..there's more dogs in this country that don't so we can't even get that much right never mind trying to get into keeping primates.

Ok there can be exceptions but as a general rule as a nation we need to look after the animals we've already brought into this world before we go looking for more exotic species as pets.

Your only specualting what cage he has or what sort of care he is giving them.

And Taring every body with one brush based on your experiances isnt very fair and closed minded.

For all the horror storys you here about abused animals theres countless others out there who give there pets the very best of care.

sorella

Amen to this.

Guineapigrescue wrote: »

What saddens me is people are saying I was ONE or I want A primate, they are social animals and cannot be kept alone it's downright cruel.
I wouldn't keep a guinea pig alone let alone a primate.

"He sold his last pair because he couldnt handle them, but he has one now hes hand reared from 3 weeks and hes another on the way. He had it out in the shop with him and it was just sitting on his shoulder eating wax worms."

Prob. couldn't handle them because they matured and became aggressive, they aren't all the cuddly little things they appear to be.

They need a huge amount of space not just a shop bought cage, they need expert vet care and enrichment. Exotic vets are few and far between as well, hard to get one in some areas of the country so what happens in an emergency. Irish people in general haven't a clue what they are doing with their dog or cat ..heck we're all still learning about our pets on a daily basis so I although keeping primates seems to be coming more and more common I really hope it doesn't take off in a big way.

How many people have their dogs with a proper tag and collar in this country..there's more dogs in this country that don't so we can't even get that much right never mind trying to get into keeping primates.

Ok there can be exceptions but as a general rule as a nation we need to look after the animals we've already brought into this world before we go looking for more exotic species as pets.

seanybiker

Remember talking to a chap a few years back. He worked for some animal rescue place. I presume ispca. Anyways he had to take roughly 6 monkeys from a crap owner in waterford to somewhere up the country because the poor chaps where suffering.
Hate people who mistreat poor animals/primates/pets ect grr

bikki

Yes some scum do mistreat animals and shouldnt have the right to own one, but going buy Guineapigrescue reasoning because a few people mistreat animals then know one should have a animal.

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

Yes some scum do mistreat animals and shouldnt have the right to own one, but going buy Guineapigrescue reasoning because a few people mistreat animals then know one should have a animal.

I know what ya mean. Cant understand why people tend to tar everyone with same brush

peasant

How about the animal mistreating you, its owner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XuXi3mqYM

Senor Willy

Are people really thinking about buying a Chimp. This is a fewking disgrace. Chimpanzees are endangered in the wild.
The people that buy them are promoting the illegal trade in trapping and selling them. Most of the baby Chimps you see for sale have been taken after their mothers had been slaughtered.
Even ignoring all the ethical issues an Adult Chimp cannot be kept as a pet. There almost 5 times stronger than an adult man, are very tempermental and can easily pull off an arm.
They revert to their wild stage very easily. They are also very sociable animals and need other Chimps for company.

All the Chimps you see in movies are sub adult. Once they become adult you are asking for trouble.