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Axel Lamp

JessePinkman wrote: »

All 6 would make the Kerry team

Who would they replace?

JessePinkman

If you were picking a Cork/Kerry side it would probably be

1 Brendan Kealy
2 Marc Ó Sé
3 Michael Shields
4 Eoin Cadogan
5 James Loughrey
6 Peter Crowley
7 Fionn Fitzgerald
8 Anthony Maher
9 Alan O Connor
10 Aidan Walsh
11 Colm Cooper
12 Donnacha Walsh
13 Colm O Neill
14 Declan O'Sullivan
15 James O'Donoghue

Hurley would defo be your first Sub and Cahalane i think would be there or there abouts Crowley is probably a bit ahead of him.

But Cork won't go away over night

D'Agger

JessePinkman wrote: »

If you were picking a Cork/Kerry side it would probably be

1 Brendan Kealy
2 Marc Ó Sé
3 Michael Shields
4 Eoin Cadogan
5 James Loughrey
6 Peter Crowley
7 Fionn Fitzgerald
8 Anthony Maher
9 Alan O Connor
10 Aidan Walsh
11 Colm Cooper
12 Donnacha Walsh
13 Colm O Neill
14 Declan O'Sullivan
15 James O'Donoghue

Hurley would defo be your first Sub and Cahalane i think would be there or there abouts Crowley is probably a bit ahead of him.

But Cork won't go away over night

I'd take what we have over Cadogan, although I could be blinkered by my dislike of the man

I'd also take Johnny Buckley over Alan O'Connor, say what you like about experience, Buckley turned a corner this year

EpicPothole

D'Agger wrote: »

I'd take what we have over Cadogan, although I could be blinkered by my dislike of the man

I'd also take Johnny Buckley over Alan O'Connor, say what you like about experience, Buckley turned a corner this year

If you go on Buckley's game on Sunday he's turned a corner..... but not the right one. He didn't look anything like an inter county mid fielder. He looks like a big unit but didn't want to get involved once the ball was near the floor.
I must admit it is the only game I've seen him play in months tho (didn't see the kerry county final at all)

EpicPothole

lukin wrote: »

Brian Hurley; not convinced about him; he was very poor v Dr. Crokes last Sunday

So poor that crokes had 2 men on him all day. I think he's in the top 3 forwards in the country for his age

thinkstoomuch1

lukin wrote: »

Damien Cahalane is a poor player IMO
Aidan Walsh has not lived up to his potential and at this stage probably never will
Colm O Neill; has to be doubts about his long term fitness after doing his cruciate three times in his career.
Cadogan may not even be playing football this year.
Shields is not a proper full-back, would be better in the half-back line
Brian Hurley; not convinced about him; he was very poor v Dr. Crokes last Sunday

Damien cahalane is far from poor,hampered by injury ,all year he done well.

Cadogan will play ,alright.

Shields i agree was not a natural full full back at the start but has become a vital part of the line.To move him to half back,is supidity ,who have we to go in at full or corner?

Cork have more options at half back than corner.

Brian hurley got zero ball,when he did ,brosnan was ahead of him,with a man behind him.Crokes double marked him,and haven didnt set up to attack.

Hurley unconcvining.?
4-46 in six club games in cork county championship
12 points in county final,seven from play,and fouled for two frees,made two points.

3 man of the matches

Destroyed johnny mac in hes debut against limerick,involved in at least six cork scores.

2 points and unlucky not to get a goal against marc o se


3 points against dublin with no service

A superb goal and 3 against galway u21 final,single handely brought cork back in to it

A goal and 5 against tyrone minor final 2010

All at just 21,, been superb in u21 games for club also.


If your not convinced of hurley now you never will be.

You with due respect must be having a laugh.

Hurley this and last year got vital points against kerry in u21 and was back in hes own defence helping out and the last man with the ball when the ref blew time.

He has it all,temperament,pace,athletiscim,can score,is powerful and agile and is a very silky forward and a huge work ethic for the game.

As for walsh two all stars and young player of the year.

Its hard to move on when your played out of position at Centre forward and full in fairness.Complete rubbish.

Archer3083

lukin wrote: »

Damien Cahalane is a poor player IMO
Aidan Walsh has not lived up to his potential and at this stage probably never will
Colm O Neill; has to be doubts about his long term fitness after doing his cruciate three times in his career.
Cadogan may not even be playing football this year.
Shields is not a proper full-back, would be better in the half-back line
Brian Hurley; not convinced about him; he was very poor v Dr. Crokes last Sunday

Brian Hurley had a field day against Nemo and scored 13 points in a county final. He looked very dangerous playing for Cork this year at senior level. And he was excellent at U21. He had a poor day against Crokes but was double marked. Gooch was very poor that day too. Missed lots of frees even. So, both full forwards had off days. They can't be perfect every day!

Poor_old_gill

Hurley is very good- that much I'll agree with.

Cadogan got taken to the cleaners whenever he had to mark a decent forward last year- i.e. by 3 different players against Kerry and the same against Dublin.

Cahalane is a very limited football, good athlete but poor football.
He's like a player from the 80's- all blood and thunder and not a whole pile of sense to what he is actually doing.

Shields is an excellent player but I would agree that he would be more suited to a role further out the field.
Where does he play for the Barrs at the moment?

thinkstoomuch1

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Hurley is very good- that much I'll agree with.

Cadogan got taken to the cleaners whenever he had to mark a decent forward last year- i.e. by 3 different players against Kerry and the same against Dublin.

Cahalane is a very limited football, good athlete but poor football.
He's like a player from the 80's- all blood and thunder and not a whole pile of sense to what he is actually doing.

Shields is an excellent player but I would agree that he would be more suited to a role further out the field.
Where does he play for the Barrs at the moment?

Cadogan had done zero training in the lead up to those games,as severely hampered by an ankle injury.

Cahalane is a fine player,man for the big games,i agree raw at times,and fouls uncessarily but he has it.


With shields people must remember you only move a player out of position if you have guy better than he is to come in.


Who replaces shields?carey is not as tight as shields,exposed against a slower dublin in 2010.slower than shields.


People that say move shields to centre back,i have a ?who in cork do they think is corner or full back to replace him?


We have a famine of top corner backs even at u21 level,we have too many options at half back.


Eoin cotter my come in to the fray ,but we need shields still as you must have four specialsed corner backs if one gets injured,and cadogan and jamie sul have had a lot recently.


People forget that.
Our two u21 l
Corner backs were awful,dorman is not a corner back,a half back but cork had no one else to play their.


Cahalane is not a full but was our best and only option last year at u21.That says it all.


The one specialised corner back alan cronin was exposed twice at u21 and roasted by hurley in the county final for five points.


Hurley is a top top forward,but what happens if cronin has to mark brogan,mcnmennon,darren o sullivan or if the gooch went to the corner.

thinkstoomuch1

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Hurley is very good- that much I'll agree with.

Cadogan got taken to the cleaners whenever he had to mark a decent forward last year- i.e. by 3 different players against Kerry and the same against Dublin.

Cahalane is a very limited football, good athlete but poor football.
He's like a player from the 80's- all blood and thunder and not a whole pile of sense to what he is actually doing.

Shields is an excellent player but I would agree that he would be more suited to a role further out the field.
Where does he play for the Barrs at the moment?

Shields plays centre back.

keane2097

I don't rate Cadogan as a corner back whatsoever tbh. Shields is pretty average too but would probably make the Kerry team as the Kerry full back line is so-so. Would see both of them as being better suited to the half-back line as well.

Walsh is brilliant, Loughrey is brilliant, Alan O'Connor is certainly past it, probably finished. Hurley has massive potential. Colm O'Neill is one of the most talented players in the country, hopefully he gets back to full fitness. David Moran showed you can come back from two cruciates, hopefully O'Neill shows you can come back from three.

Cork still have some terrific players, Paddy Kelly is another majestic player when fit.

ciarriaithuaidh

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cadogan had done zero training in the lead up to those games,as severely hampered by an ankle injury.

Cahalane is a fine player,man for the big games,i agree raw at times,and fouls uncessarily but he has it.


With shields people must remember you only move a player out of position if you have guy better than he is to come in.


Who replaces shields?carey is not as tight as shields,exposed against a slower dublin in 2010.slower than shields.


People that say move shields to centre back,i have a ?who in cork do they think is corner or full back to replace him?


We have a famine of top corner backs even at u21 level,we have too many options at half back.


Eoin cotter my come in to the fray ,but we need shields still as you must have four specialsed corner backs if one gets injured,and cadogan and jamie sul have had a lot recently.


People forget that.
Our two u21 l
Corner backs were awful,dorman is not a corner back,a half back but cork had no one else to play their.


Cahalane is not a full but was our best and only option last year at u21.That says it all.


The one specialised corner back alan cronin was exposed twice at u21 and roasted by hurley in the county final for five points.


Hurley is a top top forward,but what happens if cronin has to mark brogan,mcnmennon,darren o sullivan or if the gooch went to the corner.

Ah listen, do what you like on the Cork thread, but less of your essays here now, please!

On a serious note, Hurley had 2 men on him on Sunday, but he was still poor and didn't make much effort to get into the game..he is class though and will get better this year coming.

Loughrey doesn't defend and Cadogan was awful this year, but looks like he's carrying an injury all year to me? Aidan Walsh is only going backwards as a footballer if he goes hurling, he was poor for the last year anyway and needs serious kicking coaching, which he probably won't get now. Pity as he's a fine player.

Seeing as someone brought up Buckley, he is really puzzling me..not able to go full 60/70 mins in games at 22 years old? Not imposing himself even in Crokes games against mediocre opponents..jury's still out IMO.

thinkstoomuch1

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Ah listen, do what you like on the Cork thread, but less of your essays here now, please!

On a serious note, Hurley had 2 men on him on Sunday, but he was still poor and didn't make much effort to get into the game..he is class though and will get better this year coming.

Loughrey doesn't defend and Cadogan was awful this year, but looks like he's carrying an injury all year to me? Aidan Walsh is only going backwards as a footballer if he goes hurling, he was poor for the last year anyway and needs serious kicking coaching, which he probably won't get now. Pity as he's a fine player.

Seeing as someone brought up Buckley, he is really puzzling me..not able to go full 60/70 mins in games at 22 years old? Not imposing himself even in Crokes games against mediocre opponents..jury's still out IMO.

The Dog on the street knew cadogan was injured all year.Well done for catching up to that now.

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Seeing as someone brought up Buckley, he is really puzzling me..not able to go full 60/70 mins in games at 22 years old? Not imposing himself even in Crokes games against mediocre opponents..jury's still out IMO.

A friend of mine who would know him well said to me for years "when the going gets tough, Buckley goes missing". I had forgotten about it tbh until I got a call after the Dublin game reiterating the notion.

Seems like there might be some truth to it, seems like mentality has to be his issue as he seems to have all the other components you would need.

Archer3083

keane2097 wrote: »

A friend of mine who would know him well said to me for years "when the going gets tough, Buckley goes missing". I had forgotten about it tbh until I got a call after the Dublin game reiterating the notion.

Seems like there might be some truth to it, seems like mentality has to be his issue as he seems to have all the other components you would need.

I think ye're being very hard on players like Buckley in Kerry. He's still very young. To suggest he's gone missing for years is really heaping too much pressure on his shoulders. You don't see many young teams winning All-Irelands. Generally the teams that win have an average age of 23/24, maybe even a little older. Buckley will continue to develop and will constantly improve til he's 25. If Kerry are to do any good next year, more new players will have to be introduced. There's no point giving young players a slagging for performing poorly. There's a learning curve, and you've got to give them a fair chance before you decide they're no good.

For instance, I think Keiran O'Leary and Barry John Keane have been well trialed with Kerry. I think Fitzmaurice was right to dispense with both although K O'Leary looked great the last day in the first half against Castlehave. It might be worth giving Daithí Casey a go during the league and see what he can do at inter county level.

thinkstoomuch1

keane2097 wrote: »

I don't rate Cadogan as a corner back whatsoever tbh. Shields is pretty average too but would probably make the Kerry team as the Kerry full back line is so-so. Would see both of them as being better suited to the half-back line as well.

Walsh is brilliant, Loughrey is brilliant, Alan O'Connor is certainly past it, probably finished. Hurley has massive potential. Colm O'Neill is one of the most talented players in the country, hopefully he gets back to full fitness. David Moran showed you can come back from two cruciates, hopefully O'Neill shows you can come back from three.

Cork still have some terrific players, Paddy Kelly is another majestic player when fit.

Its certainly a fair argument that cadogan and shields are suited to half back,the problem is take those two out ,and you are gone from a solid full back line to a pretty awful one.

The news with kelly is not good.I wouldnt be suprised if in the new year he called it a day.

That would be over 20 gone from the 2010 panel.

The problem now is all six that went this week went together.

Counihan should have phased a few out sooner.

The problem is not the lack of talent in the current panel ,it is the uninsipiring management set up and unproven expierence.

Sheehan is irreplacable,in that he is one of those players you are fortunate to get,but may never get as good or even close to him for a long time.
We still have not replaced or came close to a setanta,ten years later,it will be the same with sheehan.

The kerry u21 set up is better and more expierenced than the cork senior one i would hazard at guess at saying.

keane2097

Archer3083 wrote: »

I think ye're being very hard on players like Buckley in Kerry. He's still very young. To suggest he's gone missing for years is really heaping too much pressure on his shoulders. You don't see many young teams winning All-Irelands. Generally the teams that win have an average age of 23/24, maybe even a little older. Buckley will continue to develop and will constantly improve til he's 25. If Kerry are to do any good next year, more new players will have to be introduced. There's no point giving young players a slagging for performing poorly. There's a learning curve, and you've got to give them a fair chance before you decide they're no good.

For instance, I think Keiran O'Leary and Barry John Keane have been well trialed with Kerry. I think Fitzmaurice was right to dispense with both although K O'Leary looked great the last day in the first half against Castlehave. It might be worth giving Daithí Casey a go during the league and see what he can do at inter county level.

Not slagging him just passing on what was said to me about him. He has looked great to me at times and I'm blue in the face from saying how underrated the Dublin midfield was all year.

Not looking like an intercounty player in the lashing rain and freezing cold of a Munster club game in November is not really something I'd worry too much about either.

Even if the thing about him being weak mentally growing up is true past performance is no guarantee of future performance in that regard.

keane2097

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Its certainly a fair argument that cadogan and shields are suited to half back,the problem is take those two out ,and you are gone from a solid full back line to a pretty awful one.

The news with kelly is not good.I wouldnt be suprised if in the new year he called it a day.

That would be over 20 gone from the 2010 panel.

The problem now is all six that went this week went together.

Counihan should have phased a few out sooner.

The problem is not the lack of talent in the current panel ,it is the uninsipiring management set up and unproven expierence.

Sheehan is irreplacable,in that he is one of those players you are fortunate to get,but may never get as good or even close to him for a long time.
We still have not replaced or came close to a setanta,ten years later,it will be the same with sheehan.

The kerry u21 set up is better and more expierenced than the cork senior one i would hazard at guess at saying.

Yeah I don't mean to say Shields shouldn't be played at full back, it's a needs must situation with him. Cadogan I'm not so sure about, I really think he's in trouble in the corner against even middling forwards although I'm probably being hard on him if he's carrying injuries.

Very sorry to hear that about Kelly. A player I really love to watch and very underrated.

Counihan was hanging on trying to get the second All Ireland out of the team he built that everyone always said they should have won I suppose. Understandable in a way but the wrong thing for Cork football alright.

Sheehan is certainly a massive loss, as you say he's one of those "once in a rare while" players. Wouldn't be surprised to see him come home before too long at the same time if he turned down the contract in 09 due to homesickness as was said at the time.

slingerz

JessePinkman wrote: »

If you were picking a Cork/Kerry side it would probably be

1 Brendan Kealy
2 Marc Ó Sé
3 Michael Shields
4 Eoin Cadogan
5 James Loughrey
6 Peter Crowley
7 Fionn Fitzgerald
8 Anthony Maher
9 Alan O Connor
10 Aidan Walsh
11 Colm Cooper
12 Donnacha Walsh
13 Colm O Neill
14 Declan O'Sullivan
15 James O'Donoghue

Hurley would defo be your first Sub and Cahalane i think would be there or there abouts Crowley is probably a bit ahead of him.

But Cork won't go away over night

I actually think these are 2 of the weakest teams Cork/Kerry have had in a long time looking ahead into next season.

at half back and half forward, with Loughrey and Gooch excepted, they are poor lines.

Also think Declan O'Sullivan's best years are behind him

homerjay2005

we did well last year with the likes of Fionn and O Donoghue looking like they can step up become really top class intercounty players and be there for years. Crowley and Lyne also look good and the aforementioned Buckley perhaps.

anybody else primed to do that, next year? Casey is surely worth a shot.

slingerz

homerjay2005 wrote: »

we did well last year with the likes of Fionn and O Donoghue looking like they can step up become really top class intercounty players and be there for years. Crowley and Lyne also look good and the aforementioned Buckley perhaps.

anybody else primed to do that, next year? Casey is surely worth a shot.

I reckon Daithi Casey has to be centre forward for Kerry next year. I know the Gooch was excellent there this year but Casey is the future and tbf the Gooch can cut it anywhere

ciarriaithuaidh

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The Dog on the street knew cadogan was injured all year.Well done for catching up to that now.

This dog clearly didn't tell Conor Counihan, Brian Cuthbert etc about the injury, as they kept starting him and put him marking opponents such as Declan O'Sullivan and Bernard Brogan! What injury does he have/had seeing as how you are so knowledgeable on the matter?

Wouldn't be so quick to throw around the jibes about what goes on in the Gaelic Football world either when just a few days ago you thought Paudie Kissane was living in the UK..;)

keane2097

homerjay2005 wrote: »

we did well last year with the likes of Fionn and O Donoghue looking like they can step up become really top class intercounty players and be there for years. Crowley and Lyne also look good and the aforementioned Buckley perhaps.

anybody else primed to do that, next year? Casey is surely worth a shot.

Fionn Fitz looks extremely promising to me so far. Very impressed with Crowley as well, so happy enough with the half-back line although naturally Tomás is irreplaceable. A return to the wing or centre back for Killian Young would do him no harm and you have a decent looking young line then.

In the half forward line we need to find a long term replacement for Galvin at ten. Could be Casey, certainly seems time to phase Galvin out of the starting 15 although he still has a part to play I think.

D'Agger

I'd expect Casey to spend a year on the wing before moving in

He's a super talent though and after the way he played for UCC a couple of years ago, I'm suprised we haven't seen more of him already

ciarriaithuaidh

slingerz wrote: »

I reckon Daithi Casey has to be centre forward for Kerry next year. I know the Gooch was excellent there this year but Casey is the future and tbf the Gooch can cut it anywhere

Jury still out on Casey for me also, has definitely improved his speed along with increasing his urgency on the ball, but one worrying aspect of Sunday for me was that he seemed unwilling/unable to take on Cahalane and beat him 1 on 1...more often than not he turned back and popped the ball off to a team mate...that's judging by high standards now, cos he did kick a couple of great scores but thats the standard we're talking about here. Fionn Fitz impressed me a lot on Sunday and is turning into a top class player I think.

The problem with all this is that I'd love if Casey/Looney got a go with Kerry, bu they will be in a club semi final in what, February so won't be able to get a run with Kerry till probably the 1st week of March..1st week of April if they get to the final, which is pretty late to be getting involved. Hopefully something gets worked out because they are worth a go.

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Jury still out on Casey for me also, has definitely improved his speed along with increasing his urgency on the ball, but one worrying aspect of Sunday for me was that he seemed unwilling/unable to take on Cahalane and beat him 1 on 1...more often than not he turned back and popped the ball off to a team mate...that's judging by high standards now, cos he did kick a couple of great scores but thats the standard we're talking about here. Fionn Fitz impressed me a lot on Sunday and is turning into a top class player I think.

The problem with all this is that I'd love if Casey/Looney got a go with Kerry, bu they will be in a club semi final in what, February so won't be able to get a run with Kerry till probably the 1st week of March..1st week of April if they get to the final, which is pretty late to be getting involved. Hopefully something gets worked out because they are worth a go.

Crokes players played with Kerry for parts of the league this year or am I imagining that?

In fairness to Casey Cahalane is a fair physical specimen, no shame in being sensible and not trying to beat a guy on the outside if you know you're not able. He was still able to find a way to influence the game and I must say his kicking is of a very high standard. As you say though I'd remain unconvinced about him.

Looney is an interesting case. Looks superb at times but worry that at club level by the time teams have their defences set up to play Crokes the guy who ends up taking Looney is a long way from Intercounty standard.

Even against us he destroyed Giles O'Grady but I think Andrew Thompson kept him reasonably quiet when he switched over.

ciarriaithuaidh

keane2097 wrote: »

Crokes players played with Kerry for parts of the league this year or am I imagining that?

In fairness to Casey Cahalane is a fair physical specimen, no shame in being sensible and not trying to beat a guy on the outside if you know you're not able. He was still able to find a way to influence the game and I must say his kicking is of a very high standard. As you say though I'd remain unconvinced about him.

Looney is an interesting case. Looks superb at times but worry that at club level by the time teams have their defences set up to play Crokes the guy who ends up taking Looney is a long way from Intercounty standard.

Even against us he destroyed Giles O'Grady but I think Andrew Thompson kept him reasonably quiet when he switched over.

You have a point on Looney, was anonymous pretty much against Ballymun earlier this year. Definitely would have to get a bit stronger for higher level aswell, looks to me like he struggles to gain muscle mass.

Cahalane is strong, but Casey never really went at him full throttle and actually turned over possession quite sloppily (if thats a word!) a couple of times if you watch it back again. Should get a go at some stage though, so we'll see.

Buckley played a few games in the league alright last season, don't know about the rest. It feels like years ago at this stage!

ShamoBuc

No post in here for over a month .....then this nugget of info

Axel Lamp wrote: »

Lots of retirements and an AFL move going on across the county bounds at the moment.

Looks like Cuthbert is weeding out the Cork has-beens. Shame

and 30 odd posts in a day...:pac:

Delighted to see so many of the elder statesmen call it a day. Couple of Kerry lads gone from last year and I'm sure another few will call it a day before the new year.
Cork will be a different animal for Kerry and others to contend with next year. A lot of different players and more importantly a fresh approach. Donna O'Connor among others should benefit hugely from fast ball - presuming he stays around, I'm sure he will.

I was hoping the Kerry U21 setup wouldn't change as it was a bit of a joke, it will undoubtedly be a far superior setup now.
Bring on the new year !!

keane2097

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

You have a point on Looney, was anonymous pretty much against Ballymun earlier this year. Definitely would have to get a bit stronger for higher level aswell, looks to me like he struggles to gain muscle mass.

Cahalane is strong, but Casey never really went at him full throttle and actually turned over possession quite sloppily (if thats a word!) a couple of times if you watch it back again. Should get a go at some stage though, so we'll see.

Buckley played a few games in the league alright last season, don't know about the rest. It feels like years ago at this stage!

Yeah just checked back some old match reports there and O'Leary, Brosnan and Fitzgerald all played league games as well.

Kerrydude1981

Casey looks a different breed of an animal this year,he has all the attributes to make it as a top inter county player no doubt,hopefully he will.