Nudes and Glamour.

AnimalRights

I sometimes read a Brit photography site called Talk photography and they have a Nudes and Glamour section, just wondered whats the story here on 'art' type shots? We could just remove Ricky and CM if it's the age thing thats stopping us having it.
Discuss.

Paulw

I don't think there's really anything stopping us.

It's something I'd love to try - art nude. Just haven't had the chance. I've a few ideas in my head, but just a matter of organising. I guess one hard part is finding the right willing model.

PI have an art nude section, I think.

If it's done right, I see no reason why it can't be on here, and I think there have been shots posted before (city-exile ??)

Dragan

It's something i plan to do plenty of to be honest, and in fairness it's only one of quite a few area's of photography that don't really get done much around here.

The main issue seems to be that in the scene in Ireland there are some really, really ****ing TERRIBLE photographers do it. No offence to anyone, but some the utter muck i have seen on Model Mayhem and the like is frankly terrible.

As such, models can be unwilling to work with people they don't really know. Some of the horror stories i have heard from friends who model would make me hesitant as well to be honest.

Paulw

I know what you mean. There are some really bad photographers out there.

I guess though, it can be a catch 22 situation - you need to practice to get it right, and you need to show you can get it right to get the models.

Anyway, if you're doing a shoot, I'd be interested in joining you (splitting costs too).

Dragan

Paulw wrote: »

I know what you mean. There are some really bad photographers out there.

I guess though, it can be a catch 22 situation - you need to practice to get it right, and you need to show you can get it right to get the models.

Anyway, if you're doing a shoot, I'd be interested in joining you (splitting costs too).

No problem dude, if i am lucky then costs will be very limited as i may be able to get access to the studio set up for free and if i can prove my work amongst my circle of friends then they will be more than happy to model for me. We work off the basis premise that if someone is good at what they want to do we will help them all we can, so now all i have to do is prove it. Many of them have modeled, many of them have done plenty of nude work so they are happy out to do this type of thing. The simple fact is though that for a lot of them a shoot with me might mean not doing a paid shoot somewhere else and going off the assumption that i will offer a better portfolio shot for them from the opportuinity. It's an odd system but it really does seem to work!

First step for me will be a couple of shoots with all clothes on to get used to lighting and that type of thing then work from there.

I would really like to make portraiture my thing so i will be putting a lot of work into that over the next year. If i do get the opportuinity for this type of shoot at any point i will give you a shout and we'll sort it all out but as i said, i would hope that expense would be minimal by the time i get to that point.

challengemaster

Fire ahead, I won't stop ye! :pac:

Dragan

challengemaster wrote: »

Fire ahead, I won't stop ye! :pac:

Yeah but you'll be pming people asking for high quality copies for life sized prints! :pac:

challengemaster

I'm not THAT bad!

Ricky91t

I don't mind either,After mid April it'll be ok for me

AnimalRights

:Chuckles:

Calina

AnimalRights wrote: »

I sometimes read a Brit photography site called Talk photography and they have a Nudes and Glamour section, just wondered whats the story here on 'art' type shots? We could just remove Ricky and CM if it's the age thing thats stopping us having it.
Discuss.

If you actually read the charter here in a bit more detail you would be aware that nothing on the site's side is stopping it, with the sole proviso that anyone who posts a nude/glamour type shot marks the thread with an NSFW tag. Obviously there is a fine line between art and porn which may not be appreciated by everyone, including the posters of images which overstep the mark in the opinion of the moderators and admins.

Me personally, anyone who posted a work which I deemed to require an NSFW tag without said tag would find themselves banned forthwith. This goes for nude pictures of both men AND women by the way - I don't limit it to photographers of fine examples of the male form (cos I assume that's what the lot of you all mean - I mean, women's bodies are all much of a muchness right?).

As such, the lack of art nude photography here has more to do with the photographers not submitting such images to the site than it does with any official sanction.

Obviously if the allowance for nude/seminude so called art photography is abused, then a) bans on the posters will ensue - boards.ie is technically a family friendly site with a lot of underage users - strange as it may seem to you, challengemaster and Ricky91T are not the only underagers who read and post here regularly - and b) the allowance for same in the charter will be reconsidered.

The last time we had a thread on the subject I believe that the Arts CMod kept a very close eye on it for obvious reasons. Boards.ie is far more than a photography site and it's worth remembering that. We also have a friendly Admin who spends quite a bit of time in here and if he has a differing view on the subject, we bow to his will on it.

After that...I can't understand why anyone would want nude pictures taken in Ireland anyway. It's cold here.

Dodgykeeper

Calina wrote: »

Me personally, anyone who posted a work which I deemed to require an NSFW tag without said tag would find themselves banned forthwith.

Obviously if the allowance for nude/seminude so called art photography is abused, then a) bans on the posters will ensue -

Looks like Calina is in a baning mood lads, be careful.

Calina

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

Looks like Calina is in a baning mood lads, be careful.

I am not, as it happens. However, unfortunately people need some warning of NSFW type images for a very simple reason - it can be a disciplinary matter at work and I don't know about where you work but we do have a lot of monitoring in place where I work and I'd prefer boards.ie didn't start making it onto the list of blacklisted sites.

Phototoxin

I don't think there's really anything stopping us.

It's something I'd love to try - art nude. Just haven't had the chance. I've a few ideas in my head, but just a matter of organising. I guess one hard part is finding the right willing model.

PI have an art nude section, I think.

its something I'd like to try with B&W film though I dont know how feasable that is. (weirdness factor, GF issue, weather is cold etc)

I guess though, it can be a catch 22 situation - you need to practice to get it right, and you need to show you can get it right to get

the models.

same with *everything* though. Just get a friend who needs a modelling portfolio

After that...I can't understand why anyone would want nude pictures taken in Ireland anyway. It's cold here.

+1

TelePaul

How about I post macro shots of different parts of my body and you guess whether they're obscene or not?

ThOnda

It is on my "to do" list. I will have studio lesson in about a fortnight, afterwards some practice with lighting and next stage is to pay for some girl and studio. Keep me on your mind when planning such event.

superflyninja

It would be soemthing Im very interested in doing also. In general I hate taking photos of people but with a willing model I could try and get the exact pose etc without the hassle.

Thoie

Wouldn't the simplest thing be to create either a nude subsection, marked NSFW, and only allow nekkidness in there, or else have a single thread (marked NSFW) and only allow the pics in there?

Also, make a non-exhaustive list of what constitutes porn, rather than art, as a guideline, but point out that just because it isn't on the list doesn't mean it's OK.

seamus

Just keeping an eye on this, as I've a couple of thoughts:

First off, there is a precedent for not allowing any nudity on boards at all, even in private forums. However, obviously this does fall into an artistic/special case.

Secondly and most importantly, this forum has a great little community built up which relies a lot on contributions from amateurs and professionals alike and everybody commenting and helping develop photography skills.
If a glamour/nude thread existed in the public forum, it would be crawled by google and every other spider, and people's glamour pictures would be available for the world to see with a few choice search words. Not to mention the seedier members of boards.ie who would frequent the thread just to get some jollies. This might not be a problem for professionals, but for amateurs who may be relying on amateur/non-models or might otherwise be sensitive to having their glamour shots released into the public domain, it would prevent them posting their shots for C&C.

Obviously you can see where I'm going with this. A private subforum would be dead easy to set up, and can be inherently assumed to be NSFW (unless you're a photographer!), which eliminates the need to tag every single thread in it.

Now maybe I'm a million miles behind the curve and this has already been thought of, but just my 2c from a technical, but non-photo-person POV.

bradnailer

AnimalRights wrote: »

I sometimes read a Brit photography site called Talk photography and they have a Nudes and Glamour section, just wondered whats the story here on 'art' type shots? We could just remove Ricky and CM if it's the age thing thats stopping us having it.
Discuss.

Naked Punks I can't wait :eek:

no.1

Calina wrote: »

Me personally, anyone who posted a work which I deemed to require an NSFW tag without said tag would find themselves banned forthwith.

Jaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyysus!

superflyninja

well how about posting links to the images? without thumbnails? that would keep it clean on the board....

Overblood

Good idea but if the thread is labeled NSFW then there's no real need to.

bernard0368

I think a nude and glamour site would be hit by every one, what about a private/sub section that you have to register with the mods to gain entry. That way it could be controled easier and if you have to log in again to get access your less likely to cause any issues at work etc.

sheesh

no.1 wrote: »

Jaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyysus!

Do you realise that people will get fired from their job if a naked person appears on their computer? No second chances, no explanations, just security escorts them to the door, it would be corporate policy in alot of places. so yes that is perfectly appropriate I think.

AnimalRights

Think he was replying in a more dedicated to his religion kind of way..there are times of the day I just let out a scream of 'Allah Akbar'

trishw78

TelePaul wrote: »

How about I post macro shots of different parts of my body and you guess whether they're obscene or not?

so many different comments running throught my head...

...are you telling us something about yourself

Overblood

Will they really get fired if it's "art" though? :pac: I don't think there's much to worry about here anyway since nobody does nude & glamour just yet.

trishw78

I've done some nude in the past... but unfortunately I'm not allowed to publish them on the internet, the person involved doesn't want naked pictures of herself floating around...

This is where model releases come into play

Overblood

Can you PM them to me? :pac:

trishw78

mmm let me think... that would be a NO

CabanSail

I have done a couple of sessions in the studio. One with a Male & one Female. I have releases from both sessions. I do have some of the images on the net, but not linked to here.

A restricted sub forum would keep things safer for Boards & it could include anything that was deemed NSFW. What is posted would have to have Photographic Merit & would still have to be kept within reasonable limits.

One of my problems would be Modding it from work.

Ricky91t

Shouldn't you be working in work

seamus

What we can do is disable IMG tags within the forum. This means that people can post photos as normal and others can read threads, but no images will appear on your screen without your consent.

[Edit:
Even ignoring work, there are plenty of situation where someone might be browsing, and they don't want nude shots popping up on the screen - web cafes, in your parents' house, and so forth.

Overblood

But are there enough people doing nude photography to warrant a whole subforum?

delly

Overblood wrote: »

But are there enough people doing nude photography to warrant a whole subforum?

It doesn't warrant a subforum for its merits, but may require one to make modding easier and to prevent accidental clickage.

If the subforum aspect went well then maybe it could be brought out into the main forum. If however it started in the main forum, it mightn't have a fair chance of survival before somebody kicked up, and by saying this I mean people who don't view the photography forum but may click on a thread from the front page.

thebaz

In photography - I find full on nudes boring !!
Subtlty is mush more exciting , letting the mind piece together the bits ... I remember living in Hamburg, and it becam a yawn viewing soft porn at bus shelter etc - lazy saturation of images ain't good in my mind - anyway don't know where this fits in here . bored i guess

TelePaul

trishw78 wrote: »

so many different comments running throught my head...

All good I hope?

trishw78 wrote: »

...are you telling us something about yourself

Only that I've an amazingly photogenic body

Overblood

trishw78 wrote: »

mmm let me think... that would be a NO

Hey I wasn't serious when I asked you for them! I was joking! And look biko thanking her post as if to say "dont give that perv them pics". I can't believe my post was reported. Jaysus. I'm gonna go back and throw a smiley in there.

If I was serious I would have PM'd you and asked privately.

Pm sent.

:pac:

Mycroft H

seamus wrote: »

Just keeping an eye on this, as I've a couple of thoughts:

First off, there is a precedent for not allowing any nudity on boards at all, even in private forums. However, obviously this does fall into an artistic/special case.

Secondly and most importantly, this forum has a great little community built up which relies a lot on contributions from amateurs and professionals alike and everybody commenting and helping develop photography skills.
If a glamour/nude thread existed in the public forum, it would be crawled by google and every other spider, and people's glamour pictures would be available for the world to see with a few choice search words. Not to mention the seedier members of boards.ie who would frequent the thread just to get some jollies. This might not be a problem for professionals, but for amateurs who may be relying on amateur/non-models or might otherwise be sensitive to having their glamour shots released into the public domain, it would prevent them posting their shots for C&C.

Obviously you can see where I'm going with this. A private subforum would be dead easy to set up, and can be inherently assumed to be NSFW (unless you're a photographer!), which eliminates the need to tag every single thread in it.

Now maybe I'm a million miles behind the curve and this has already been thought of, but just my 2c from a technical, but non-photo-person POV.

+1. Even though this is not my lets say my area of photography, i think this is the way to go. My two euros worth

ThOnda

I think that we could keep the pictures completely off the Boards within group on Flickr or somewhere else. Simple.

Ricky91t

ThOnda wrote: »

I think that we could keep the pictures completely off the Boards within group on Flickr or somewhere else. Simple.

And that will just get mobbed with flickr perves adding pics :eek:

ThOnda

No, because you can set group as private with allowing members in only by invitation and pictures could be seen only by members. As far as I know.

Ricky91t

ThOnda wrote: »

No, because you can set group as private with allowing members in only by invitation and pictures could be seen only by members. As far as I know.

Ah i see,thought that wouldn't be an option due to new boards members plus alot are pix.ie user only..

Deliverance XXV

thebaz wrote: »

Subtlty is mush more exciting

Agreed.

Buzz Lightyear

I have to agree with Seamus on this one. A private sub sub forum is the way to go, that way it keeps boards as boards. To go down the road of either a pix or flickr private group is moving it away from a great and popular forum/talkshop. I think also if the private subforum was set up then a defo in the disablement of IMG tags would allow the comfortable browsing of the forum without either having the boss, colluges, or even your kids being subject to offending nudes, it would then be within your control to click on an attachment to view the image.

There is a fine line between porn and 'fine art' and as Baz said full frontal nudity gets boring after a while, where as glamour / soft porn leaves more to the imagination lending itself to fine art.

moralproduction

why doesnt a mod do a poll and see what everybodys preference on this is,just my thoughts ?

DeVore

Calina wont be banning anyone.... because I'll beat her to the punch!

If you arent prepared to consider the other people here then I see no reason why you should continue to have access to here.

Typing NSFW takes nothing, nothing. Three of the letters are even close to each other ffs.

If you cant be bothered putting that on a pic that could cause problems, I wont be bothered pm-ing you before I kick your ass to the curb.

FFS, since when do we have to legislate for common courtesy. :rolleyes:

Thats the end of the discussion of modding approach here. Pm me or use Helpdesk/Feedback.

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On Topic: We can do whatever you guys think will work. From my pov as an amateur I agree with theBaz, most porn is about erotic as a slap with a wet fish (yes, I'm sure there is a google group for that, dont go there ).

In terms of nudity, the famous John Lennon picture stopped me in my tracks because it protrayed the utter vulnerability of someone who at that time was more famous then Christ. Thats awesome photography (pity I cant really stand Ono )

I've often wanted to get some nude photography shots of me but I'm not in shape at the moment so I wouldnt right now... give me a few months

DeV.

ps: I'm almost afraid to make this joke with Th0nda about... but we could even do a Nude Users Of Boards calendar for next year

Buzz Lightyear

DeVore wrote: »

... but we could even do a Nude Users Of Boards calendar for next year

Jazus DeV did ya have to. Except for Ricky and CM most of us are 30 ish, with some of the men folk 3months + with sun roofs , I dunno how many we'd sell. As for your concious, how could you have that image helping SSF - it's turning me off my dinner.

Valentia

DeVore wrote: »

ps: I'm almost afraid to make this joke with Th0nda about... but we could even do a Nude Users Of Boards calendar for next year

Oh no!!!!!! Just watch what happens now.....

On the Canon forums they have a Glamour-Nude section which can only be accessed by signed up members. Maybe there could be a sub-forum with that lock??

The best nude stuff I have seen anywhere is on www.photo.net. Actually some of the best photography, period, is on that site.

Fajitas!

As long as we keep the A* word (And the F.A. words) away from the title, go for it. I'm more of a fan of clothed shoots myself.


*art... and fine art... Some people just take some shadowy titty pics, convert to B&W and call it art...

/snob