Nudes and Glamour.

ThOnda

I knew that I should not show you my pictures

Phototoxin

On Topic: We can do whatever you guys think will work. From my pov as an amateur I agree with theBaz, most porn is about erotic as a slap with a wet fish (yes, I'm sure there is a google group for that, dont go there ).

I thought most porn went for a comedic approach not an erotic one ?

TelePaul

Who wants to shoot me topless? Step right up, I'll take one for the boards team.

trishw78

Overblood wrote: »

Hey I wasn't serious when I asked you for them! I was joking! And look biko thanking her post as if to say "dont give that perv them pics". I can't believe my post was reported. Jaysus. I'm gonna go back and throw a smiley in there.

If I was serious I would have PM'd you and asked privately.

Pm sent.

:pac:

I didn't report your post :eek: Your PM must have gotten lost in the intro net someplace

trishw78

TelePaul wrote: »

Who wants to shoot me topless? Step right up, I'll take one for the boards team.

I've been waiting for the chance to use my 100mm Macro for awhile

superflyninja

Fajitas! wrote: »

*art... and fine art... Some people just take some shadowy titty pics, convert to B&W and call it art...

/snob

lol that almost made me spit my coffee out. :d as for a nude calendar Im only 27 since january! Time to put on a gun show.

Dragan

To be honest, over the next year to two years i plan on doing plenty of stuff that i simply wouldn't put up on the main forum on boards. It will cross into the nude work, extreme gore and extreme horror.

I don't plan on leaving boards anytime soon so it would be nice to have somewhere i can get the type of feedback that i value i.e feedback from boards members.

seamus

Dragan wrote: »

To be honest, over the next year to two years i plan on doing plenty of stuff that i simply wouldn't put up on the main forum on boards. It will cross into the nude work, extreme gore and extreme horror.

I don't plan on leaving boards anytime soon so it would be nice to have somewhere i can get the type of feedback that i value i.e feedback from boards members.

Well, with that in mind, is it a "Nude/Glamour" forum that is required, or perhaps a forum that will cater for any kind of photography work which might not be suitable for public viewing?

We could add tags like the Bargain Alerts forum, so people could tag the content of their threads and those watching would know what to expect.

Dragan

seamus wrote: »

Well, with that in mind, is it a "Nude/Glamour" forum that is required, or perhaps a forum that will cater for any kind of photography work which might not be suitable for public viewing?

We could add tags like the Bargain Alerts forum, so people could tag the content of their threads and those watching would know what to expect.

Well, this is only my own requirement as i can't speak for anyone else, but if we are going to the trouble of making our "not safe for work" forum then we might as well just decide now what it can and cannot cover?

As an example over the next month or two i will be heading into my local DIY shop and my local butchers, buying a chainsaw and plenty of round steak.

I am not sure if the finished images i am aiming for will be something that would be suitable on boards. That said, outside of the subject matter, the simply things like lighting and comp etc would all be nice to discuss with people.

I also think having somewhere like this to put and discuss possible risky shots, shoots etc might get other people on the blood/gore/nekkid bandwagon?

I mean, if the forum will be there, we might as well use it to full advantage?

It may be worth adding a rule to ensure main topics of conversation do not drift from the main forum, into the NSFW forum, maybe something as simple as stating that all threads must be started with a NSFW image, shoot or linkage? It may help to keep things where they belong.

melekalikimaka

i really can't see nude and the like taken seriously here, maturity levels are mixed at best even by the more mature posters...

i can envision many posts along the lines of

"hehe boobies" and "wow shes hot, I would"

no way is this forum ready for style subforums....and leastly an artistic nude one... barely anyone does this who posts here from what i can gather, if people do it and really want c and c, maybe pm posters who they feel would critique well and have the maturity to comment, most of us know who will always critique well and the only reason to post them publically is to show them off....which is questionable IMO given the style...

Valentia

melekalikimaka wrote: »

, maturity levels are mixed at best even by the more mature posters...

Saying of the year I reckon!

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i can envision many posts along the lines of

"hehe boobies" and "wow shes hot, I would"

no way is this forum ready for style subforums....and leastly an artistic nude one... barely anyone does this who posts here from what i can gather, if people do it and really want c and c, maybe pm posters who they feel would critique well and have the maturity to comment, most of us know who will always critique well and the only reason to post them publically is to show them off....which is questionable IMO given the style...

I kind of agree but I also think people should be free to do it, we can be fairly judgemental around here. Conservative even. Myself included.

Ricky91t

trishw78 wrote: »

I've been waiting for the chance to use my 100mm Macro for awhile

That makes no sense what so ever
If he said something else it would but he didn't


Anywho he'd be far to immature for the sub forum thingy if it was ever made :pac:

superflyninja

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i really can't see nude and the like taken seriously here, maturity levels are mixed at best even by the more mature posters...

i can envision many posts along the lines of

"hehe boobies" and "wow shes hot, I would"

no way is this forum ready for style subforums....and leastly an artistic nude one... barely anyone does this who posts here from what i can gather, if people do it and really want c and c, maybe pm posters who they feel would critique well and have the maturity to comment, most of us know who will always critique well and the only reason to post them publically is to show them off....which is questionable IMO given the style...

well maybe it would just happen for the first while until things settle down...but as long as there would be valid c&c then what would a few innuendos matteR?

melekalikimaka

superflyninja wrote: »

well maybe it would just happen for the first while until things settle down...but as long as there would be valid c&c then what would a few innuendos matteR?

personally speaking i dont think innuendo would be suitable... for alot of us here, were are not proffessional, nor are our models, i think, this form of photography requires alot of trust... and posting the images in an arena where innuendo can be made on the model maybe isnt fair on the photographer or model... maybe i'm being too soft...

Dragan

melekalikimaka wrote: »

personally speaking i dont think innuendo would be suitable... for alot of us here, were are not proffessional, nor are our models, i think, this form of photography requires alot of trust... and posting the images in an arena where innuendo can be made on the model maybe isnt fair on the photographer or model... maybe i'm being too soft...

I would tend to agree, now that you mention it.

superflyninja

melekalikimaka wrote: »

personally speaking i dont think innuendo would be suitable... for alot of us here, were are not proffessional, nor are our models, i think, this form of photography requires alot of trust... and posting the images in an arena where innuendo can be made on the model maybe isnt fair on the photographer or model... maybe i'm being too soft...

yeah you have a point. I was just thinking along the lines of "nice" innuendo, the kind of which is easily ignored...

TelePaul

trishw78 wrote: »

I've been waiting for the chance to use my 100mm Macro for awhile

Topless - makes no sense!

biko

I lurk here occasionally because there are some really good pics. There are enough adult/porn-ish sites out there on the net, I just don't see the need for it on boards.

TelePaul

Ricky91t wrote: »

Anywho he'd be far to immature for the sub forum thingy if it was ever made :pac:

Why exactly? This whole 'nude' issue is pretty funny; it's being elevated to some sacrosanct level by most of the people here. It's just photography. I think anyone who plays the 'immaturity' card is afraid to accomodate this particular genre - are you worried that it might prove successful?

Dragan

biko wrote: »

I lurk here occasionally because there are some really good pics. There are enough adult/porn-ish sites out there on the net, I just don't see the need for it on boards.

Because the pictures in question would not be porn.

Because if it is an aspect of photography that we can possible accomodate then perhaps we should?

TelePaul

biko wrote: »

There are enough adult/porn-ish sites out there on the net

With respect, I think you're missing the point.

Valentia

biko wrote: »

I lurk here occasionally because there are some really good pics. There are enough adult/porn-ish sites out there on the net, I just don't see the need for it on boards.

Don't understand this at all? Please go to www.photo.net, do a search for nude and you will see how daft your comment is.

There are dozens of places on the net for landscape, sport, macro etc. Does that mean we shouldn't do them here?

Personally I'm not interested one way or another. Any/all Irish nude/glamour stuff I have seen has been pretty abysmal but we live in hope and a proper forum might be just what the doctor ordered.

Fajitas!

Valentia wrote: »

Any/all Irish nude/glamour stuff I have seen has been pretty abysmal but we live in hope and a proper forum might be just what the doctor ordered.

It's good for the lulz though... :pac:

biko

TelePaul wrote: »

With respect, I think you're missing the point.

Yeah, perhaps I am. Well if the respected forum posters, mods and admins are for it then I won't stand in the way

Valentia

Fajitas! wrote: »

It's good for the lulz though... :pac:

Just in case anyone was in the same boat as meeself:

Lulz:
Beginning as a plural variant of lol, Lulz was originally an exclamation but is now often used as a noun meaning interesting or funny internet content.
Lol -> lul; lols -> luls; lolz -> lulz.

Lulz is the one good reason to do anything, from trolling to rape. After every action taken, you must make the epilogic dubious disclaimer: "I did it for the lulz".

This has been pioneered by encyclopedia dramatica, famous for posting a fake craigslist add and then listing the personal info of those who responded.
"Why did he post a suicide note on livejournal before killing himself?" "I hear he did it for the lulz."

Ricky91t

TelePaul wrote: »

Why exactly? This whole 'nude' issue is pretty funny; it's being elevated to some sacrosanct level by most of the people here. It's just photography. I think anyone who plays the 'immaturity' card is afraid to accomodate this particular genre - are you worried that it might prove successful?

Yeah i know things are going abit over the top but you're the only one popping up with things like "i'll shoot pics of my body parts".Maybe if you just kept your comments more to the point than just throwing random suggestions in,which others then try to make jokes about and fail

bernard0368

Just curious, How many people here would have images to contribute to the forum if it did set up?. I know i wouldn't
So maybe this is all pie in the sky, if you did want c&c you could go to the likes of POTN or 1x.com (if they let you)

Dragan

bernard0368 wrote: »

Just curious, How many people here would have images to contribute to the forum if it did set up?. I know i wouldn't
So maybe this is all pie in the sky, if you did want c&c you could go to the likes of POTN or 1x.com (if they let you)

As i said, i would, and will have a lot more, hopefully.

The real question is, would there be enough people who feel they might explore things in a more "NSFW" direction, it the option was there to have it housed here? Also, would people be willing to approach the subjects covered in it in the same way we do other things, that is to say politely and professional ( for the most part, we are a good board that way ).

For me, it's simply a case of this WILL be an avenue that i explore, hopefully sooner rather than later. It would be nice to be able to keep things here on boards, as opposed to going out into the scary world of other sites.

trishw78

I'm all for the sub-forum idea if it means we don't have immature idiots from other parts of boards or the net comming on saying "she's hot" etc... I know instant bans could be handed out but as someone else pointed out it would mean constant modding.

I think as a bunch of photographers here I don't think there would be a problem as far as C&C goes we can all take it. I'm sure just as long as the C&C isn't constantly replied to with "It's ment to look like that" it'll be fine.

I think someone put C&C guidelines into the FAQ thread at some point.

TelePaul

Ricky91t wrote: »

Maybe if you just kept your comments moreto the point than just throwing random suggestions which other then try to make jokes about and fail

That's not even a sentence. Bad luck.

Fajitas!

Meeeeeeeow.

mikeanywhere

bernard0368 wrote: »

Just curious, How many people here would have images to contribute to the forum if it did set up?

Me!!

AnCatDubh

Telepaul and Ricky - you are beginning to head off topic. Please don't go there. With further posts please keep back on topic. Any queries - drop me a pm. A little deviation is ok but when you begin to deviate together and in response to each other it doesn't do the thread's purpose any good.

Thank you.

AnimalRights

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i really can't see nude and the like taken seriously here, maturity levels are mixed at best even by the more mature posters...

i can envision many posts along the lines of

"hehe boobies" and "wow shes hot, I would"

no way is this forum ready for style subforums....and leastly an artistic nude one... barely anyone does this who posts here from what i can gather, if people do it and really want c and c, maybe pm posters who they feel would critique well and have the maturity to comment, most of us know who will always critique well and the only reason to post them publically is to show them off....which is questionable IMO given the style...

I will be diplomatic here.

:rolleyes:x200

DeVore

Maybe I wasnt clear but if this was EVER going to happen it would be a private, invite only forum. It would have to be.

DeV.

Dodgykeeper

Invite only?or would we be allowed to apply for access much like the Soccer thread, Was talking to a mod of PI and they have a hidden forum where you have to apply for access.

melekalikimaka

AnimalRights wrote: »

I will be diplomatic here.

:rolleyes:x200

keep ot dude...

I private forum to look a fine art nude.. i really cant see that happening... what will be the rules for admittence, the soccer onces wouldnt work as you can have 1000s of posts and be an immature so and so..., and its not like this forum doesnt have enough trouble modding as it is... i can see a photography subform in feedback before i see this!

seamus

melekalikimaka wrote: »

keep ot dude...

I private forum to look a fine art nude.. i really cant see that happening... what will be the rules for admittence, the soccer onces wouldnt work as you can have 1000s of posts and be an immature so and so..., and its not like this forum doesnt have enough trouble modding as it is... i can see a photography subform in feedback before i see this!

I would see it as not having any kind of set "admissions process". If a poster was active on the photography forum and expressed an interest, then the mods can yay or nay it, simple as. I would see the forum itself being hidden and private to prevent people bitching and whining about not being let in. It would appear very cliquey, but the mods would be interested in keep the tone of the forum and admitting new users who are going to contribute.

If it's pictures of scantily clad hot women that someone is after, there are other options than whining about not getting into this forum:
1. There's another private forum here on boards with no admittance rules
2. Google.

melekalikimaka

seamus wrote: »

I would see it as not having any kind of set "admissions process". If a poster was active on the photography forum and expressed an interest, then the mods can yay or nay it, simple as. I would see the forum itself being hidden and private to prevent people bitching and whining about not being let in. It would appear very cliquey, but the mods would be interested in keep the tone of the forum and admitting new users who are going to contribute.

If it's pictures of scantily clad hot women that someone is after, there are other options than whining about not getting into this forum:
1. There's another private forum here on boards with no admittance rules
2. Google.

seems reasonable

CabanSail

I have been giving this some thought.

The Private & Hidden with selected access would be the way to go. That access could then be withdrawn if behaviour is unacceptable.

If it starts off then it should probably have a set trial period, say three months, to assess how it is going. If then it's more trouble than worth it can be terminated at that point.

Rather than it being just Nude/Glamour I would prefer it being more along one of the catagories defined by the IFCO but not sure if it should be 15A 16 or 18. This would give us some sort of a standard to apply to content which is already established & also content more than just nudity.

Calina

Okay.

I have a couple of comments on the subject.

This is under discussion because of the very special features of this particular type of photography. So as such, if, we were to go down the road of implementing this specialist interest subforum I would want it to be clear that it should not be a precedent for fragmentalising the rest of the forum and people looking for specialist subfora like gig or sports photography. What makes this board work, in my opinion, is the lack of places for specialists to hide out, if you like. Under normal circumstances I would be against the setting up of any specialist subfora for different types of photography.

Secondly, there are moderation issues relating to a forum like that - put simply, any mods or CMods may not be able to mod the forum so effectively during work hours - may change if we have a mod from outside GMT but we'll see. We may suggest approval required to post in the forum initially, or, possibly, look at assigning another mod with a particular interest in - for want of another label - NSFW photography. I am not sure yet. I like CabanSail's IFCO idea.

Thirdly, I also agree with the idea of any such subforum being on a trial basis if DeV can go with that.

I think if people want access to said forum, it's not a question of number of posts in general, but a record in the Photography forum per se. I have a problem in that I think set rules are easy to get around - someone will start filling Random Photo with posts to clock up the required number of posts, for example, or re reg to avoid bans.

My two cents for the moment anyway.

melekalikimaka

I suggest to have the abilty to post in it, one must post images of the style, to view, one must be vetted by mods?? so learners can learn and hobbiests can discuss?

Fionn

We've actually dealt with nude photographs on the main forum before! I remember there were a few for c&c which was all level headed and on topic with no imaturity that i can remember it was flagged with NSFW, the topic didn't last that long and as normal died away and everything moved on, there is however a fine line between the sort of nude photography being discussed here and soft porn or erotica, I remember some links from the suicide girls site which wouldn't be suitable for work nor your 13 year old brother,sister, neice etc. it has to be remembered that there are young people looking at this site too and everybody has a responsibility in that regard.

I'd like to have a go at nude photography but the chances are pretty slim - it's out there with underwater photography and photographing earth from outer space, and i think for the majority of members here it's probably the same.

I've read down through the thread and i reckon theres about six/seven people who have stated that they actually have material or are going to produce stuff that would qualify for this, so the creation of a sub-forum seems overkill to me!! Like how many times has the topic of nudes come up in say the last two years?? as someone said already - a poll???

seamus wrote: »

It would appear very cliquey, but the mods would be interested in keep.............

you know i think it can be pretty cliquish as things stand from time to time, this would only serve to make it much more so - the presence of a secret, invite only sub forum would inevetibly result in veiled comments in the general forum and shows of oneupmanship etc. i think it'd make for a big headache for the mods and more work than it'd be worth.
but
If it were to go ahead I'd agree with melekalikimaka, people who haven't a photograph interest except for titillation purposes would be very easily weeded out.
apologies for the long post

Ricky91t

I think a good idea would be able to appove thread but allow all posts to be made in these,but with no images attacthed unless by the OP asking for C&C on images fresh out of photoshop.

This way would prevent any images that would be frowned upon popping up in the subforum what so ever,Users who makes stupid comments that have no actual reason "She's a fine looking bird" or stuff like that will have their access removed?

AnCatDubh

Ricky91t wrote: »

I think a good idea would be able to appove thread but allow all posts to be made in these,but with no images attacthed unless by the OP asking for C&C on images fresh out of photoshop.

This way would prevent any images that would be frowned upon popping up in the subforum what so ever,Users who makes stupid comments that have no actual reason "She's a fine looking bird" or stuff like that will have their access removed?

Not quite sure I get the first part Ricky (slow mind at work here) - can you elaborate on the approval idea?

Ta.

Calina

AFAIK there's a setting in vBulletin which means all posts in a forum have to be approved by a moderator before they appear in that forum. I'm of the opinion that we could do that initially to test the waters. I think one of the subfora in AH has it set up, or at least used to.

Ricky91t

Well Caline Kind of said what i meant!

Just something so you post a thread and get a message like "This thread is waiting for approval,Once a moderator approves it,you will see it in the forum"

That way no spam,or porn or images that aren't glamour can just be removed before they are even read in a thread,Meaning the mods will know everything that is posted

CabanSail

Maybe good in theory, but in practice I don't really want to be having to approve each & every thread in a forum. I sort of doubt the other Mods would either, especially considering the restrictions we have of not being able to review things at work.

What I think would be preferable is that it is understood that access to that forum is a privelidge & because of the content there the users would be expected to have a mature attitude. This should mean that those with access should be able to demonstrate discretion & judgement as to what is appropriate to post. If you are unsure, then consult one or more of the mods before proceeding. Those that cannot show this level of maturity would obviously not be suited to that forum & their access can be removed.

Ricky91t

CabanSail wrote: »

Maybe good in theory, but in practice I don't really want to be having to approve each & every thread in a forum. I sort of doubt the other Mods would either, especially considering the restrictions we have of not being able to review things at work.

What I think would be preferable is that it is understood that access to that forum is a privelidge & because of the content there the users would be expected to have a mature attitude. This should mean that those with access should be able to demonstrate discretion & judgement as to what is appropriate to post. If you are unsure, then consult one or more of the mods before proceeding. Those that cannot show this level of maturity would obviously not be suited to that forum & their access can be removed.

I can't see the forum being filled with loads of threads anyway,But i supose that would work too

ThOnda

What threads? One for planned photo events like shoots, exhibitions and lectures, one thread with random (single picture posts) and then just few threads after each finished project. And one with asking for comment/suggestions about crop and/or processing.