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The end of NBB??
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There is no "3" solution. They are just adding more Mobile phone masts. It's not BB, just the same 3G Mobile phone system people already have.
"3"'s satellite solution isn't even launched yet either and may not as it is an experimental launch.
The problem with 3 is the lack of bandwidth between nodes, they will be improving it soon and some nods have already been upgraded (not many though). The company 3 mobile belongs to a very wealthy company called Hutch, I have heard that hutch or Hutchinson's are planning on upgrading their network (specially since the national broadband project) more than 100 times
At the moment most people will still suffer from slow speeds but in the future ...
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Mobile is pretty much doomed to be a MOBILE version of what we had before DSL.
Other countries with no better off, nor better Geography can do it.
We are currently 7th most expensive for Mobile voice calls and THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN WORLD for line Rental.
We lie about 25th in Internet performance in OECD.
http://irishwattystuff.com/comparewireless/CompareHSPAandFixed-v4.html
@Scoti you either speak through lack of comparison or Work for a Mobile operator.
see also http://irelandoffline.org/
3G/EDGE/HSDPA and in some countries LTE next year, is a great MOBILE solution. It's worse than what some 3rd world countries have as a Fixed Internet Access.
You know Kenya started rollout of fibre in all Cities FIVE years ago?
Australia had a far better NBS scheme than ours. Our minister tried to convince them that 3G was the answer. They just scrapped the tender process
This http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055532297 is what the Australians are doing instead.
See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59807979#post59807979
Especially post 14 and 15Quality of competition in the ISP sector - 79th - Down 11 places
Countries that have overtaken us in the past year:
Pakistan, Benin, Nepal, Kenya, Mongolia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Zambia, Vietnam, Morocco, Spain and Indonesia.
I don't know to laugh or cry.
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Mobile is pretty much doomed to be a MOBILE version of what we had before DSL.
Other countries with no better off, nor better Geography can do it.
We are currently 7th most expensive for Mobile voice calls and THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN WORLD for line Rental.
We lie about 25th in Internet performance in OECD.
http://irishwattystuff.com/comparewireless/CompareHSPAandFixed-v4.html
@Scoti you either speak through lack of comparison or Work for a Mobile operator.
see also http://irelandoffline.org/
3G/EDGE/HSDPA and in some countries LTE next year, is a great MOBILE solution. It's worse than what some 3rd world countries have as a Fixed Internet Access.
You know Kenya started rollout of fibre in all Cities FIVE years ago?
Australia had a far better NBS scheme than ours. Our minister tried to convince them that 3G was the answer. They just scrapped the tender process
This http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055532297 is what the Australians are doing instead.
See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59807979#post59807979
Especially post 14 and 15
I don't know to laugh or cry.
Kenya will benefit of the new fiber link to Africa and they decided to invest on fiber as they use satellite and is much more expensive.
Telecom companies are very interested in investing in countries such as Kenya or Egipt as they see a big market there but you can't compare this to Ireland where a monopoly exist.
Of the list of countries above a country that comes to my attention is Spain, where a monopoly also exists.
Just courious, do you think it will be a good NBS? Not 3G then, not copper...
To be honest, there arent many options, Ireland is not what it was 6 years ago, is a bit too late now 0 -
Mobile is pretty much doomed to be a MOBILE version of what we had before DSL.
Other countries with no better off, nor better Geography can do it.
We are currently 7th most expensive for Mobile voice calls and THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN WORLD for line Rental.
We lie about 25th in Internet performance in OECD.
http://irishwattystuff.com/comparewireless/CompareHSPAandFixed-v4.html
@Scoti you either speak through lack of comparison or Work for a Mobile operator.
see also http://irelandoffline.org/
3G/EDGE/HSDPA and in some countries LTE next year, is a great MOBILE solution. It's worse than what some 3rd world countries have as a Fixed Internet Access.
You know Kenya started rollout of fibre in all Cities FIVE years ago?
Australia had a far better NBS scheme than ours. Our minister tried to convince them that 3G was the answer. They just scrapped the tender process
This http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055532297 is what the Australians are doing instead.
See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59807979#post59807979
Especially post 14 and 15
I don't know to laugh or cry.
Jaysus so either I have no clue or work for a mobile operator... interesting
Actually I am not sure why you've become so defensive, all I was trying to do is to say that the problem people are having with 3 mobile should improve as soon as they upgrade their node bandwidth.
Never said that 3 were great or the future, I personally think they suck, much as most ISPs in this country and most of Europe, but there is no way in hell I would use a 3g operator as my main bb provider, not with the current technologies, but I wouldnt call 3G rubbish either
We can always compare ourselves to other countries but the truth of the matter is that no matter what, we are doomed, and it will be a while before we enjoy decent bb in this country, a long while
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It looks like NBB has bitten the dust:rolleyes:. My connection has been down since yesterday. I sent emails, but there was no reply. I've spent all day trying to phone them, but no one is answering.
I contacted Beyondsl in the UK. I asked them if they would continue my service. They said they'd have me up and running by midnight tonight, fingers crossed
. They had heard that Astra's Irish partner had 'gone' and they, amongst others, had been asked by Astra to provide the service here.
If you're like me and absolutely need BB, and whose only option is satellite, call Beyondsl. Phone: 0044 20 84526699. Website: www.beyondsl.net0 -
It looks like NBB has bitten the dust:rolleyes:. My connection has been down since yesterday. I sent emails, but there was no reply. I've spent all day trying to phone them, but no one is answering.
I contacted Beyondsl in the UK. I asked them if they would continue my service. They said they'd have me up and running by midnight tonight, fingers crossed. They had heard that Astra's Irish partner had 'gone' and they, amongst others, had been asked by Astra to provide the service here.
If you're like me and absolutely need BB, and whose only option is satellite, call Beyondsl. Phone: 0044 20 84526699. Website: www.beyondsl.net
Thats very good info there mcdrogo,good of you to have a solution there too. I hope you get sorted by that UK crowd
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Just looked at the costs for NBB customers thinking of switching to Digiweb Tooway. All prices inclusive of VAT.
NBB Home Office 1Mb = €49 per month
Digiweb Tooway Value 2Mb = €35 per month
Tooway installation and equipment = €744
I already have an NBB dish (it's rented but will they seriously want to come and retrieve it?), so perhaps I can get a discount on the equipment and do a self install. If they'll give me 50% discount on equipment and no installation, total cost over 1 year will come to €55 per month. Spread over 2 years, it'll be €45 per month. Sounds okay.
I just phoned them to ask about the possibility of an equipment discount and self install, but I got a voicemail message saying "we are closed for Xmas"! That's almost as good as the reply I got when I submitted a query to NBB using the online contact form. It said "Don't try that!!" :eek: 0 -
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markmagennis wrote: »I paid a refundable deposit of €200 for my NBB. I guess that's gone.
Mark
But you've got the equipment
(which you were only renting) unless they come and get it. (Which is unlikely) 0 -
Not if you paid by credit card.
Also there are other mechanisms. The deposit is technically your money. We ought to have legislation that deposits are held in escrow or something. When I was moving out of an apartment the Landlord tried to claim he couldn't give me my deposit as he didn't have the money. In fact in the end he did give me the money as I moved out. My daughter had a simlar problem and it took 6 months to get the money. A new company had bought her apartment block and claimed the seller never gave them the deposits Whatever, by buying it they legally obliged for Debts as well as assets.
The Directors of NBB are still alive. Write to them calmly via registered post. Cc the address in the companies office.0 -
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Not if you paid by credit card.
Also there are other mechanisms. The deposit is technically your money. We ought to have legislation that deposits are held in escrow or something. When I was moving out of an apartment the Landlord tried to claim he couldn't give me my deposit as he didn't have the money. In fact in the end he did give me the money as I moved out. My daughter had a simlar problem and it took 6 months to get the money. A new company had bought her apartment block and claimed the seller never gave them the deposits Whatever, by buying it they legally obliged for Debts as well as assets.
The Directors of NBB are still alive. Write to them calmly via registered post. Cc the address in the companies office.
Guys
All of the above is good advice and it's also good information to direct towards ABB for NBB customers. Just to give you a heads up, click on this link http://www.vision-net.ie/barometerRWMeetingsByWeek.jsp?t=1&weekNumber=5&nonSubBarometer=true Near the bottom are listed National Broadband Limited & National Broadband Services Limited - 2 companies of NBB. For customers like Mark, as Watty has suggested deposits should be held in escrow but its doubtful in this case, you should try and find out about the Creditors meeting.
Also, just an opinion on the newly formed ABB Telecom; We have already seen NBB rising from the ashes of Crosscountry Broadband, I hope for the customers of NBB that ABB is not another spin off - Their website has some very striking similarities, not the appearance but the wording, especially the mention of Eircom, a theme which carries through from Cross Country..
Watty, as you are in this industry, is their any way of finding out who the owners if ABB are? i can't find them in the Companies Reg Office...
I hope the above is based on Paranoia...
Mods, I will delete the last part of this post without question if you require..0
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