Republic of Ireland - v - Georgia (WCQ) Group 8 - 11/02/09 MATCH THREAD

chopperbyrne

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I don't think the goal should have been ruled out. It's not like Doyle was intentionally trying to block the keeper's line of vision. If intention is needed for a handball decision then I think the same should apply with regards to situations with players in front of play.

Every other Irish player managed to run back to an onside position except Doyle who jogged back and was in an offside position in front of the keeper when the ball was struck.

A handball is much easier to be done inadvertently.

Pigman II

bunch of useless green w*nkers.

Somebody tell McGeady to f-off back to Scotchland at half-time.

syngindub

Can see the headlines tomorrow.
"Kelly had Georgia on his mind"

juvenal

Lads, for the last time.

The call was correct - there's no issue with Doyle, or any other player blocking the 'keepers line of vision. That is OK, as long as it is done within the rules of the game.

Doyle was involved with the play, from an offside position, ergo, it's offside, and goal disallowed.

Wasn't a peno either - Doyle was only kidding himself.

Final ball again from McGeady very poor. He's wasted quite a few not beating the first man. That was a great run, good shot, pity Duff and Keane got in each other's way.

ntlbell

i didn't think there was too much weight on that ball at all robbie not sharp enough tbh

Carroller16

Sorry to any boardsies who are there tonight but SINGING SECTION = CRAP

IvySlayer

Ahh Duff!

deisedevil

Pigman II wrote: »

bunch of useless green w*nkers.

Somebody tell McGeady to f-off back to Scotchland at half-time.

What a run there from McGeady. He must have been on his way back to Scottyland eh?

Mitch Connor

juvenal wrote: »

Lads, for the last time.

The call was correct - there's no issue with Doyle, or any other player blocking the 'keepers line of vision. That is OK, as long as it is done within the rules of the game.

Doyle was involved with the play, from an offside position, ergo, it's offside, and goal disallowed.

Final ball again from McGeady very poor. He's wasted quite a few not beating the first man.

i don't see how doyle was involved.

The ball hit the defender, on the right side and doyle was on the left side of the defender. He was not in the line of sight on the ball either as he was left of the defender, and the ball was hit from the defenders right side.

whatawaster

IvySlayer wrote: »

Ahh Duff!

don't you mean ahh keane?

juvenal

Great save by Given, a better chance than we've had all half.:(

darkskol

good stop by given

ntlbell

whatawaster wrote: »

don't you mean ahh keane?

ahh them all!

Unearthly

I've still yet to figure out what Glen Whelan can do good at football.

Hank Scorpio

bring on andy reid

ahhhhhhh wait

Mr.Nice Guy

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Every other Irish player managed to run back to an onside position except Doyle who jogged back and was in an offside position in front of the keeper when the ball was struck.

A handball is much easier to be done inadvertently.

A bit of common sense is needed. I don't see how Doyle did anything wrong yet he has been penalised.

Mitch Connor wrote:

i don't see how doyle was involved.

The ball hit the defender, on the right side and doyle was on the left side of the defender. He was not in the line of sight on the ball either as he was left of the defender, and the ball was hit from the defenders right side.

I agree. Some people seem to think Doyle should have run towards the corner flag or something.

kingshankly

keane and doyle are shocking up front.
great save shay,
anything less than three points here is a disaster

IvySlayer

whatawaster wrote: »

don't you mean ahh keane?

I meant when Duff was on the ball and tried to control it. Ended in a goal kick.

whatawaster

kingshankly wrote: »

keane and doyle are shocking up front.
great save shay,
anything less than three points here is a disaster

i thought Doyle was our best player.

ntlbell

why do they keep blaming the pace of the ball

have they never watched real pro's pass at pace with the recieving player controlling it?

christ all mighty we're just not good enough

Pigman II

Half-time talk is crucial. If we can win this game then we'll qualify. Anything else then you can go back to your knitting. Reminds me of Luxembourg 1987.

delta_bravo

ntlbell wrote: »

why do they keep blaming the pace of the ball

We need to blame something!:)

Carroller16

Here's eamo!! This should be good.

juvenal

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i don't see how doyle was involved.

The ball hit the defender, on the right side and doyle was on the left side of the defender. He was not in the line of sight on the ball either as he was left of the defender, and the ball was hit from the defenders right side.

And I suppose the linesman is supposed to have the 3-dimensional depth perception to know from thirty-odd yards whether Doyle was in the line of sight of the 'keeper, or whether he was a couple of yards out of the way.

Ask yourselves this, if it was at the other end, would you have called it a fair goal?

There's nothing worse than partisan fans, who can't apply the rules of the game as they are intended, as opposed to applying them when it suits your team.

I want Ireland to win as much as anyone else, but I've no problems with that goal being disallowed - as much as I'd have taken it if they'd allowed it as well!:D

Latchy

I know it's early days but every Irish team over the decades has had it's bellyup match / bad refereeing decision go against them , resulting in not qualifying for a major campaign .I hope this isin't the case tonight

AARRRGH

Watching Ireland games always depresses me.

/What's with the boos? Idiots.

ntlbell

delta_bravo wrote: »

We need to blame something!:)

i blame the singing section tbh if they were at it from the off kelly wouldn't have been asleep

syngindub

i wonder will Dunphy mention Andy Reid??

Hank Scorpio

cant wait for eamo

boos translate to ="WHERES ANDY REID"

whatawaster

Pigman II wrote: »

Half-time talk is crucial. If we can win this game then we'll qualify. Anything else then we're fcuked. Reminds me of Luxembourg 1987

pity we don't have the quality we had then. Imagine the difference that Whelan would make instead of our Whelan now.

juvenal

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

A bit of common sense is needed. I don't see how Doyle did anything wrong yet he has been penalised.

I agree. Some people seem to think Doyle should have run towards the corner flag or something.

I think Doyle should've made more of an effort to get onside.

The issue is not just line-of-sight, it's the offside position, which takes precedence in this case. If he were offside on the sideline, then it would not be an issue, as he would not be in close proximity to the passage of play. However, he was right there, so his offside is an issue.

Having said that, he's been one of our best players in that half.

ziggy

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Mr.Nice Guy

juvenal wrote: »

And I suppose the linesman is supposed to have the 3-dimensional depth perception to know from thirty-odd yards whether Doyle was in the line of sight of the 'keeper, or whether he was a couple of yards out of the way.

No perhaps not the linesman but maybe that other bloke who has a fair bit of responsibility? Who can overrule the linesman? Wears yellow?

juvenal wrote:

Ask yourselves this, if it was at the other end, would you have called it a fair goal?

Yes and I'd say we were bloody lucky not to be behind as I imagine Georgians are doing.

juvenal wrote:

There's nothing worse than partisan fans, who can't apply the rules of the game as they are intended, as opposed to applying them when it suits your team.

I wan't Ireland to win as much as anyone else, but I've no problems with that goal being disallowed - as much as I'd have taken it if they'd allowed it as well!:D

What bollocks. Here's what the BBC's Jonathan Stevenson had to say:

2014: Keith Andrews wheels away, celebrating an equaliser for the Republic of Ireland - until a linesman's errant flag goes up and it's wrongly ruled out. Andrews side-foot shot from 20 yards sneaks into the corner via a slight deflection off a Georgia player, but Kevin Doyle is adjudged offside. He isn't, and it's a poor decision.

Nothing worse than fans who steadfastly stick to the laws of the game even when the law is clearly an ass.

Mitch Connor

juvenal wrote: »

And I suppose the linesman is supposed to have the 3-dimensional depth perception to know from thirty-odd yards whether Doyle was in the line of sight of the 'keeper, or whether he was a couple of yards out of the way.

Ask yourselves this, if it was at the other end, would you have called it a fair goal?

There's nothing worse than partisan fans, who can't apply the rules of the game as they are intended, as opposed to applying them when it suits your team.

I wan't Ireland to win as much as anyone else, but I've no problems with that goal being disallowed - as much as I'd have taken it if they'd allowed it as well!:D

The call is not the lino's to make at the end of the day. The ref was on the pitch too and would have had a better angle with which to see Doyle was not interfering and thus could have over-ruled the call of the lino, as he is perfectly entitled to do. If the goal had been allowed, it would have been a fair call. It was a tough decision for the lino (who was prob right in raising his flag at least) but that doesn't change the fact i do not think it was technically correct.

whatawaster

syngindub wrote: »

i wonder will Dunphy mention Andy Reid??

Well it is crying out for him.

I'd imagine S Hunt will come on soon enough. But who else? N Hunt? Keogh?

syngindub

whatawaster wrote: »

Well it is crying out for him.

I'd imagine S Hunt will come on soon enough. But who else? N Hunt? Keogh?

ye, like to see hunt coming on but will he offer us more than Duff or McGeedy, i'm not sure. we do need some change though

whatawaster

syngindub wrote: »

ye, like to see hunt coming on but will he offer us more than Duff or McGeedy, i'm not sure. we do need some change though

I'd give them another 15 minutes. His crossing is better than McGeady's.

Pighead

Of course Andy Reid is gonna be mentioned and rightly so. This shows up the one dimensional thinking of Traps. "Oh but Traps likes to have 2 solid holding midfielders so there's no point in having Reid in the squad" Load of bollox. Managers should be flexible in their systems and should have a squad capable of adjusting to any particular situation that may crop up. The situation now is that Ireland need a creative midfielder to get back into this game and because of Traps stubborness our bench doesn't have one. Ridiculous.

syngindub

whatawaster wrote: »

I'd give them another 15 minutes. His crossing is better than McGeady's.

crossing is better and he releases the ball much earlier alright. Mcgeedy has the ability to open things up and perhaps create more chances

Craft25

when he jumped he made it look like a dummy.. especially from the linesmans view.. it's a stinker but we'll have to get over it.. can hardly slate the officials

Hank Scorpio

analysis has been good @ ht

aint mentioned reid yet tho

whatawaster

Pigman II wrote: »

It's true. Back in the day we could steal the likes of Ray Houghtan. Now all your giving us these days are these indiciplined donkeys.

If anything you should be thanking us from taking him off your hands. Couldn't see Scotchland getting as close as they did to Euro2008 with that useless tosser in the XI.

I think that's a little harsh. His crossing has been poor, but he's broken well a couple of times and he's working his socks off.

juvenal

Looking at the replay there in real time, I initially thought Doyle flicked the ball past the 'keeper. If you look at it in real time, then you can see Doyle do a little jump (obviously out of the way), but it looked like he made contact given the amount of bodies in the vicinity.

Obviously on reflection, it was the defender that deflected, and not Doyle. However, I would still say that he is involved in he play, due to his presence, rather than actual contact.

They made a split-second decision, and I personally don't have a problem with it. I can see both sides of the argument, but IMO they made a call that wasn't wrong, while perhaps not 100% absolutely right. As they said on RTÉ, some nights they go your way, yet this one didn't.

It was hardly robbery.

Latchy

nuxxx wrote: »

analysis has been good @ ht

aint mentioned reid yet tho

He has being mentioned on radio a bit .

IvySlayer

whatawaster wrote: »

don't you mean ahh keane?

I take that back, Keane was at fault not Duff.

Ahh Keane!

ntlbell

nuxxx wrote: »

analysis has been good @ ht

aint mentioned reid yet tho

they must have been warned off it

syngindub

nuxxx wrote: »

analysis has been good @ ht

aint mentioned reid yet tho

don't worry, he's saving up this rant based on the result. I'm sure he's touching it up as we speak

LuckyLloyd

Whatever about the performance in the first half, booing the team off is disgraceful. Shocking from the 'fans'.

deisedevil

Pighead wrote: »

Of course Andy Reid is gonna be mentioned and rightly so. This shows up the one dimensional thinking of Traps. "Oh but Traps likes to have 2 solid holding midfielders so there's no point in having Reid in the squad" Load of bollox. Managers should be flexible in their systems and should have a squad capable of adjusting to any particular situation that may crop up. The situation now is that Ireland need a creative midfielder to get back into this game and because of Traps stubborness our bench doesn't have one. Ridiculous.

Frustrating isn't it. Can see us maybe getting one, prob is can't see us creating enough chances to get two.

IvySlayer

Reid was mentioned! Along with Carsley.