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Now they want to take away our minimum wage

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    #92
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    ...Action needs to be taken on businesses who charge exorbitant prices for their goods and services. I think the Competition Authority recently stated that it would look into capping prices in a number of sectors (groceries, clothes)?

    Unfortunately, the Competition Authority is powerless and as useless as National Consumer Agency and Consumers' Association. Nearly useless bodies with feck all bite and powers.


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    #93
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    The minimum wage is €17,000 odd €16,125.33 a year based on a 39 hour week with 21 days off. Considering public servants earning twice that are planning to strike over 4 and 5 percent, I can see mass riots if there's a reduction tbph.

    It's not a runner. By all means freeze it, but lowering the minimum wage when so many people seem to be on it is a politically idiotic, socially irresposible and just plain stupid move.
    Biggins wrote: »
    Unfortunately, the Competition Authority is powerless and as useless as National Consumer Agency and Consumers' Association. Nearly useless bodies with feck all bite and powers.

    Yes we're exceptionally good at making up jobs for people in this country. Two seperate entities whose sole mandate seems to be to listen to people complain and the only thing they do enforce is price checking etc, which albeit illegal and very annoying, is hardly an economic crisis issue.


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    #94
    jester77
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    Marxism is the solution :P


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    #95
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Cut either the dole or the minimum wage and expect to see an increase in crime. Think people will just take it? People will survive, they will do this any way they can...


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    #96
    Heroditas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,473 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Alec High Soprano wrote: »
    Cut either the dole or the minimum wage and expect to see an increase in crime. Think people will just take it? People will survive, they will do this any way they can...


    They should cut the dole to certain households who seem to be able to afford satellite TV. FFS, I would think having satellite TV is a luxury not an entitlement.


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    #97
    thebman
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    sdonn_1 wrote: »
    The minimum wage is €17,000 odd €16,125.33 a year based on a 39 hour week with 21 days off. Considering public servants earning twice that are planning to strike over 4 and 5 percent, I can see mass riots if there's a reduction tbph.

    It's not a runner. By all means freeze it, but lowering the minimum wage when so many people seem to be on it is a politically idiotic, socially irresposible and just plain stupid move.

    I lived on less than that on my student work experience and survived no bother in 2004. Actually saved a load for final year of college.

    That was in 2004 and now with the same lifestyle and everything, I still just save the same amount earning a lot more than that. I'm not buying anything now I wasn't then.

    This can only be attributed to an increase in the cost of living. The cost of living has to come down. I'll be lucky if I still have my job next week so don't think this is some b***** that wants his money to go further.

    Its just the facts. We have to reduce our cost of living and wages to restore competitiveness to our economy. We have to do this now and the reason for it is simple. Companies won't stay here because it costs too much to do business and we don't have very man indigenous industry so are over dependent on foreign investment. this needs to change too but that two can happen together and that will make for a stronger economy.


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    #98
    Biggins
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    They should cut the dole to certain households who seem to be able to afford satellite TV. FFS, I would think having satellite TV is a luxury not an entitlement.
    Well seeing as analogue tv signals are going off the air in the coming years, doing just that would be plain daft!
    Every nation is switching over to digital broadcasting.
    That means EVERYONE will have to have a satellite dish and receiver box (Freeview or Sky). Be it a basic sat' dish or not!
    So you want to cut the money of those that are wise enough to not wait till the final day the of analogue cut off???
    Having a sat' dish now is as basic as having a radio - no matter what gripes we have over the costly additional services for it.

    Sorry, naa. Unworkable idea.

    Info:
    http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/freeview.html
    In September 2005 the Government committed to switch
    over from analogue to only digital television in the UK.
    Digital switchover will occur, region-by-region, between
    2008 and 2012.

    Example signal turn off info: http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/postpn264.pdf

    http://www.digital-tv.org.uk/guides/why-are-we-switching-to-digital.htm

    RTE is doing the same - like it or not


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    #99
    Heroditas
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    When I say "satellite TV" I mean the full package.
    I'm aware that analogue is being phased out. However, do you reckon all those people on the dole who have satellite TV are on the very basic packages? They are in my foot.
    Sky Sports and the movie channels on the dole .... sure why not. It's not as if they have anything else to do all day. :rolleyes:


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    #100
    Boskowski
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    Nehaxak wrote: »
    7) Stop the use of consultants in government departments, the HSE and generally any public service. You're fulltime or you can fck off, stop being greedy raping money from the system.

    +++

    Now how in the name of **** did that ever start. it's the most ridiculous thing, it bleeds the country to death and our public bodies are full of this ****.

    And I'd like to add the tribunals. Hundreds of millions to find out (what's never going to happen anyway) who took what brown envelope with 10k 20 years ago. Nothing but state subsidy towards the legal profession. Must be stopped immediately. Whoever gets caught doing that goes before normal court, goes to jail end of. Utter bollix. Of course that would mean we'd have to sort out the legal system which is a disgrace in my opinion. Criminal justice system is a joke, prisons are a joke, claims culture is a joke. Oh no where to start...


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    #101
    Biggins
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    When I say "satellite TV" I mean the full package.
    I'm aware that analogue is being phased out. However, do you reckon all those people on the dole who have satellite TV are on the very basic packages? They are in my foot.
    Sky Sports and the movie channels on the dole .... sure why not. It's not as if they have anything else to do all day. :rolleyes:
    Its a nice idea in theory. Yet another way to make people pay, etc. but its unworkable.
    For example, can you see Sky hanging over ALL its subscription info to the state. There would be the privacy issues alone that would arise. They they would have to go after the Porn channels, Satanta, etc. Add to that the legal issues to get those companies to cough up the info, etc....

    What's a tv inspector going to do? Go into every home in Ireland and flick every channel to see which ones are working and which are not?

    Its an idea but an unworkable one.


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    #102
    Hazys
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Its a nice idea in theory. Yet another way to make people pay, etc. but its unworkable.
    For example, can you see Sky hanging over ALL its subscription info to the state. There would be the privacy issues alone that would arise. They they would have to go after the Porn channels, Satanta, etc. Add to that the legal issues to get those companies to cough up the info, etc....

    What's a tv inspector going to do? Go into every home in Ireland and flick every channel to see which ones are working and which are not?

    Its an idea but an unworkable one.

    ffs, I thought this thread was about ways to combat the recession not to find ways to censor peoples' right to have as many TV channels as they want.


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    #103
    Biggins
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    Hazys wrote: »
    ffs, I thought this thread was about ways to combat the recession not to find ways to censor peoples' right to have as many TV channels as they want.

    Not guilty of bringing it up. Just replying to a not so good idea.


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    #104
    walrusgumble
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    "Nothing jobs"?
    Grow up and don't be such a snob.
    Those jobs have to be done, and we need them for Irish people this time around.

    Otherwise...exactly.

    This isn't nice.
    This isn't pleasant.
    But sometimes in life the choice is between the lesser of two evils, and when faced with a temporary reduction in the minimum wage, and the complete collapse of Ireland, I know my choice.

    the horrible thing about you are saying is that no sane person can disagree with you. no offence to the ones who do disagree with minister by the way.

    the problem is though, and i am sure you would agree in principle, it is easy for those who advocate, support or accept a cut in minium wage when they themselves are not on it. (its none of my business what those who advocate, support or accept make, not that one would or should disclose it here or have to justify their opinions) the world and their mother knows that whilst €20k a year maybe ok for a young person renting cheap and has no liabilities or anyone else to look after, its another story indeed for a young family (whether married or not) with all the usual bills etc. again i note someone has already said the high wages etc is a main source for the lack of output, prices etc.

    yes, it would also be counterproductive taxing to the hilt all the rich people, as they would happily feck off out of the country, now (gulp) when we need there investments more for new business etc

    what i am concerned about is, WHEN we get out of this slump, ( we have the luck of hindsight whilst analysing the past decade), is this country going to learn from its mistakes and try and avoid this economic slump again? granted that is impossible.. but, can we as a nation learn from our past mistakes and put ourselves in a much better position when an economic slump like this occurs in the future? i am sure we are in a much better position than that of the bad old days of 1950's and 1980's in that the people are more skilled and educated ... but are we?


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    #105
    congo_90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭congo_90


    I'm on minimum wage. How dare they! I barely scrape a livling as it is!! Tell the fat cat TD's to take even so much as 100euro per week off their wages and see what happens? My rent, car insurance,petrol (for commute), electricity, phone and one small social night out is ALL I can afford at the moment. Take more money off me and I may as well have no life.... fcuk this I'm emmigrating end of.

    This gov is always picking on the little ones' ie; students and low earners knowing that nobody will care. If one of the said TD's come banging on my door for a vote... Well... I'll happily do time


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    #106
    Biggins
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    congo_90 wrote: »
    ...If one of the said TD's come banging on my door for a vote... Well... I'll happily do time

    Name your local TD and I will tell you exactly what he is earning.

    For example Berties salary is still:

    €106,581 Basic
    54,705 EXPENSES!
    40,090 Secretary allowance
    Total: 201,376 he STILL gets.


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    #107
    Red Sleeping Beauty
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    Connor Lenihan
    Charlie O'Connor


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    #108
    ejmaztec
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    When I say "satellite TV" I mean the full package.
    I'm aware that analogue is being phased out. However, do you reckon all those people on the dole who have satellite TV are on the very basic packages? They are in my foot.
    Sky Sports and the movie channels on the dole .... sure why not. It's not as if they have anything else to do all day. :rolleyes:

    The full package should be available free to all the unemployed - and they should get additional sums every week so that they can make full use of the gambling channels. The should also get special treatment should something catch their eye on one of the shopping channels. There's nothing to lift the spirit more than getting your hands on a half-price Rolex.

    Where's your humanity?:(


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    #109
    Red Sleeping Beauty
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    jester77 wrote: »
    Marxism is the solution :P

    *Notes location
    *Notes smiley
    *Notes username

    You're taking the michael :)


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    #110
    Biggins
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    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    Connor Lenihan
    Charlie O'Connor

    What county? Helps me speed up the data you need...


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    #111
    Red Sleeping Beauty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Dublin , I think they're both 24
    Their names just sprang to mind


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    #112
    Biggins
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    Connor Lenihan
    Basic: Junior minister 139,000 Euro
    Expenses 46,000 approx
    Sec allowance - 40,000
    Took 10% pay cut


    Charlie O'Connor
    Basic 106,581
    Expenses: 34,962
    Sec All' 40,090
    Committee Vice chair wage: 10,241
    Total: 191,874
    Refused to take 10% paycut.


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    Biggins
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    This one will make you laugh (NOT!!!)

    Jackie Healy-Rae

    Basic: 106,581
    Expenses: (THIS IS NOT A MIS-PRINT) 89,705
    Secretary Allowance: 40,090
    Independent Allowance: 41,152
    Committee Chair: 10,241
    TOTAL: 289,768

    Refused to take a paycut!


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    #114
    Red Sleeping Beauty
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    Is that that little repungant man from Kerry ?


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    #115
    Heroditas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,473 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Biggins wrote: »
    Jackie Healy-Rae

    Independent Allowance: 41,152


    Ridiculous


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    #116
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Heroditas wrote: »
    They should cut the dole to certain households who seem to be able to afford satellite TV. FFS, I would think having satellite TV is a luxury not an entitlement.

    What your dole money is spent on is non of anybodies business... No matter what anyone says. The dole is already sorted, if people are living in a house that has a lot of luxeries, it would seem somebody is telling a porky, the people in the house get means tested. So if I work for 10 years, get laid off, I go to the dole office and they refuse me on the basis that I have sky tv? You're talking crap man. What I have saved in my account is my own business, how I spend my money, yes, it is mine not yours contrary to popular belief, is completely 100% my own business. The money isn't given to you on the basis that you take away all your luxeries, that you only spend it on food, heating and shelter... Wake up, will ya?


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    #117
    Alessandra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    What is annoying about this is that those arguing that the minimum wage be lowered are on scandalous money and have no experience of having to survive on 9euro an hour in this country. If they must cut wages then they must do so from the top and only charge the little man if absolutely necessary.


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    #118
    Biggins
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    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    Is that that little repugnant man from Kerry ?

    Yep. Will all that money (plus his own earnings from the land/cattle/etc he owns, you think he'd get a clean-up and buy decent attire!
    You wouldn't exactly sent him to any EU meeting to represent us! Gawd help us!


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    #119
    walrusgumble
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    out of interest, have many from sinn fein and labour taken cuts.

    what about your man ryan turbidy from rte. ok not a a politican, but his salary comes from mostly viewers licence (am i wrong) he said that he would not take a pay cut because of personal and legal reasons but would donate to charity. now, i am aware that he is unfortuantely seperated and that would probably cost an arm and a leg to take further chunks off his earnings. now i probably need to be careful what is say here but a few weeks ago on his show, he had the cheek to jokingly say to the audience (prior to his announcement which made front page on some papers) "not even for patrotic reasons" when he asked the audience would they take a pay cut. whether or not one finds him entertaining is not the point, people like him who discuss current affairs (radio show) and the like really dont or should have any credibility when they are interviewing others.


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    #120
    The_Minister
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Name your local TD and I will tell you exactly what he is earning.

    For example Berties salary is still:

    €106,581 Basic
    54,705 EXPENSES!
    40,090 Secretary allowance
    Total: 201,376 he STILL gets.
    The money for a secretary goes to his *shock* secretary not to him. Not fair to count that in earnings.


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    #121
    ejmaztec
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    Alessandra wrote: »
    What is annoying about this is that those arguing that the minimum wage be lowered are on scandalous money and have no experience of having to survive on 9euro an hour in this country. If they must cut wages then they must do so from the top and only charge the little man if absolutely necessary.

    I think that they're looking into having smaller hangars at Shannon for flying pigs before they announce that.


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