College Fees

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Delta Kilo wrote: »

Ya the whole of modern physics is a joke. Its all based on trying to prove that something that works in practice but cant be done in theory. To get around this they just put in random numbers such as Plancks constant so that the theory matches what is actually happening. But that is for a different thread.

My guidance councilor teaches as well but she usually has a good few free classes that she "sacrifices" for us. Usually if you ask for a meeting she will have one the next day, definitely within the week and if she happens to be absent, she will make it her business to find you and organise a new meeting.

Physics course in general isnt too great, besides Mechanics which I think is grand.

Our guidance councilor is grand, he's really helpful with me as I behave relatively well in school and have some idea of what I want to do, but others he's not quite so helpful with. (He's a serious Gaelgoir, and me doing HL Irish make him a little biased towards me:pac:)

Yeah we really need to get back on topic!

Delta Kilo

Seems we are quite alike then... even though we tend to disagree on one topic:D:D:D

I think we have drawn to a conclusion on this thread then (thanks to SligoBrewer), aside from the, lets call it banter, on a certain type of school. The fees should not be re-introduced based on the grounds that the government made it this way just like they did with the medical cards and to go back to the way it was would be like taking 2 steps forward and three steps back. They cant just go back on a policy just because it does not suit them now, that is just unfair.

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Delta Kilo wrote: »

Seems we are quite alike then... even though we tend to disagree on one topic:D:D:D

I refuse to believe:pac:

Mario007

Delta Kilo wrote: »

Seems we are quite alike then... even though we tend to disagree on one topic:D:D:D

I think we have drawn to a conclusion on this thread then (thanks to SligoBrewer), aside from the, lets call it banter, on a certain type of school. The fees should not be re-introduced based on the grounds that the government made it this way just like they did with the medical cards and to go back to the way it was would be like taking 2 steps forward and three steps back. They cant just go back on a policy just because it does not suit them now, that is just unfair.

but thats life, i guess:D its like this, they've tried it, it worked in celtic tiger times, but right now its a luxury...like the payments to little kids until they're five of 1000 euro-its been just a trick to get finna fail more votes, it worked and now when the economy isnt going as planned it has to be cut

Homicidal_jesus

WOO college fees......ohhhh wait there bad...damn!:eek:

SligoBrewer

I feel like a UN Peace Envoy.

Bring on the socialist revolution.

phase-3

K4t wrote: »

You don't know that. What exactly are you basing that coment on. He's never been given the chance to lead the country. If this economic crisi occurred before july 2007 Enda Kenny would be the current Taoiseach.

Enda kenny has revived Fine Gael and made them into a viable replacement for FF over the last few years.

Tbh, I would rather see a dog in power then Enda Kenny..if anyone from Fine Gael it has to be Richard Bruton.

lou91

Fad wrote: »

I dont think it was Plank's constant, not sure if it was in modern physics, one of the constants in electricity......

Most grind schools have guidance councilors, who's only responsibility is guidance, unlike my school where he teaches Irish too, so getting an appointment can be tricky.

Pat Doyle is such a ledge! So funny.
He's quite critical about the syllabus though, some of it is over-simplified (yes, a grind school teacher saying that, shock horror) and almost every year some material comes up on the paper that is either a mistake or not on the course.

3 full time guidance counsellors in the institute. Who organise for students to sit one of the best interest tests there is.

whadabouchasir

RandomUserName! wrote: »

3 full time guidance counsellors in the institute. Who organise for students to sit one of the best interest tests there is.

Well I suppose thats what you get when you spend thousands on fees.

Fad

RandomUserName! wrote: »

3 full time guidance counsellors in the institute. Who organise for students to sit one of the best interest tests there is.

I prefer actual contact time with the councilor, an interest told me midwifery is the careers for me..........

whadabouchasir wrote: »

Well I suppose thats what you get when you spend thousands on fees.

Do the amount of chips on your shoulder impair movement at all?

Delta Kilo

RandomUserName! wrote: »

Pat Doyle is such a ledge! So funny.
He's quite critical about the syllabus though, some of it is over-simplified (yes, a grind school teacher saying that, shock horror) and almost every year some material comes up on the paper that is either a mistake or not on the course.

3 full time guidance counsellors in the institute. Who organise for students to sit one of the best interest tests there is.

Ya my physics always gives out about the physics course as well. Every second page he seems to disagree with something and he uses lots of powerpoint presentations that his son gets in college instead to teach us.

Is it the Hogan one? I done this one at the start of the year. My guidance councilor organised it for me because she said it was the best one and used in the industry by recruitment agencies. She is really good. Had a few meetings with her and I brought up very different, not very common careers that she could tell me all about off-the-cuff and tell me all about the courses. Better than any interest assessment!

PurpleFistMixer

On topic, please.

And to get my 2 cents in, I don't agree with fees, but I'm a filthy communist. And now back to the shadows with me.

SligoBrewer

Fad wrote: »

Do the amount of chips on your shoulder impair movement at all?

He's right though. Why do people feel the need for these schools? Why do people feel the need for education that's not provided by our gnáthscoileanna?
I'm not here to debate the pros and cons of grinds schools, but noone in this country should feel that they need to pay to go to school. It should be provided by for the government. The problem we have is the one that feeds the grinds schools. The points system. While i'll agree that it has many merits, there is many many disadvantages to it. The system fails to accomodate natural flair for a subject, it fails to accomodate ability and it fails to be an adequate assessment of a students ability to progress and flourish in a course.

Edit; Sorry, you stuck that up while i was typing. Oh dear.

Delta Kilo

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

On topic, please.

You may as well rename the thread at this stage I think:D:D:D:)

The problem we have is the one that feeds the grinds schools. The points system. While i'll agree that it has many merits, there is many many disadvantages to it. The system fails to accomodate natural flair for a subject, it fails to accomodate ability and it fails to be an adequate assessment of a students ability to progress and flourish in a course.

I agree 100%. It is really the system that is allowing all of this to happen. But the leaving cert isn't everything. Look at Bill Cullen, Sean Quinn, Richard Corrigan. None of them finished 2nd level. Its all about self-belief and confidence in your abilities - that is what will allow you to succeed in what you do (including the LC). You don't need a grind school as a crutch to get you into what you want to do. There is more than one way to do everything! Most importantly, do not let anybody tell you that you cannot do something and if they do make sure you will get a kick out of proving them wrong.

On topic again, I don't think that fees should be brought in again but it is out of our control at this stage so you cant really debate them. There's no point

SligoBrewer

Delta Kilo wrote: »

On topic again, I don't think that fees should be brought in again but it is out of our control at this stage so you cant really debate them. There's no point

Nothing is out of our control. You saw what people power can do when the OAP's took to the streets. We as Irish take stuff lying down far too easily.

Delta Kilo

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Nothing is out of our control. You saw what people power can do when the OAP's took to the streets. We as Irish take stuff lying down far too easily.

Ya but they don't listen to the students. Nothing ever came of any student protest. They never do and the medical cards were dealt with at a time when the economy was not as bad as it is now. It is bad timing for the fees. The economy is f*cked and they will try anything at this stage to save money, regardless of public opinion. (Unless of course it is one of their property developer friends that is involved)

PurpleFistMixer

Delta Kilo wrote: »

Ya but they don't listen to the students. Nothing ever came of any student protest. They never do and the medical cards were dealt with at a time when the economy was not as bad as it is now. It is bad timing for the fees. The economy is f*cked and they will try anything at this stage to save money, regardless of public opinion. (Unless of course it is one of their property developer friends that is involved)

Far more comes from protest than comes from doing nothing at all.

Brooke01

Why are people still complaining? It’s not going to make anything happen. If people put as much time into their studies they would not have much to be so anxious when the LC is near the time. I don’t care anyway if they do bring the fee’s back in because my parents will pay the fee’s lol :D:D

SligoBrewer

Brooke01 wrote: »

Why are people still complaining? It’s not going to make anything happen. If people put as much time into their studies they would not have much to be so anxious when the LC is near the time. I don’t care anyway if they do bring the fee’s back in because my parents will pay the fee’s lol :D:D

As can mine, but many cannot. Please don't be selfish.

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Brooke01 wrote: »

Why are people still complaining? It’s not going to make anything happen. If people put as much time into their studies they would not have much to be so anxious when the LC is near the time. I don’t care anyway if they do bring the fee’s back in because my parents will pay the fee’s lol :D:D

If I responded to this how id very much like to, Id be facing the banhammer.

Nothing to do with the content, but more how you come across........

zonEEE

Brooke01 wrote: »

Why are people still complaining? It’s not going to make anything happen. If people put as much time into their studies they would not have much to be so anxious when the LC is near the time. I don’t care anyway if they do bring the fee’s back in because my parents will pay the fee’s lol :D:D

haha, a fine creation of the Celtic Tiger.....

Delta Kilo

Brooke01 wrote: »

Why are people still complaining? It’s not going to make anything happen. If people put as much time into their studies they would not have much to be so anxious when the LC is near the time. I don’t care anyway if they do bring the fee’s back in because my parents will pay the fee’s lol :D:D

God I hope you never become a politician. It isn't the paying of the fees that is the issue i.e how people are going to raise the money for the fees. The issue here is the fairness involved. One of the aims of the government is to create a fair and just society, where everyone is given the same opportunity to get on in life. Not everyone has their mammy and daddy to fall back on as you do.

If they bring the fees back without means testing it properly, many people will not have the opportunity to go to college because of the financial strain it would put on their household. This isn't fair. College is financially difficult for some people as it stands. This is why they were abolished in the first place -> to improve society and to go back on this would not make sense imo. It just looks like an easy way for the government to make money now but would have negative consequences in the long-run.

Please think about what you are posting before you post in future, as I'm sure you didn't intend on painting yourself as a negative, selfish person which I can only hope you are not.

3 Dollar Bill

Firstly I don't agree with the reintroduction of college fees as it will only create a further burden on families that cannot afford it.

As for the whole private school / grind school debate, I don't have an issue with people going to these institutions to prepare themselves for the exam itself. If these institutions can help people towards their chosen career path then so be it. The material that these institutions provide is second to none in terms of exam preparation.

Anyway back on topic, college fees have gradually increased over the last couple of years. I for one would not like to see fees reintroduced but beleive that it is inevitable in the current economic climate.

The reintroduction of college fees will only reduce the number of people actually going to college. This will only result in a less skilled workforce and the government might find it harder to attract multinational company.

the-island-man

Brooke01 wrote: »

Why are people still complaining? It’s not going to make anything happen. If people put as much time into their studies they would not have much to be so anxious when the LC is near the time. I don’t care anyway if they do bring the fee’s back in because my parents will pay the fee’s lol :D:D

Would you not feel guilty about putting out your hand to your parents for money? I mean i feel lucky that every summer for the last 4/5 years i have had a job and haven't had to put the hand out much at all! I have enjoyed the benefits of the celtic tiger. I mean your parents are there to support you in times of need like now! So you really should be doing everything you can to decrease the financial burden you put on them and that should include protesting against these fees! You will have to stand on your own two feet eventually!

Piste

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Nothing is out of our control. You saw what people power can do when the OAP's took to the streets. We as Irish take stuff lying down far too easily.

Yeah but OAPs vote, and tend to hold more of a grudge. Everyone knows most sutdents just aren't bothered (though that may very well change in the elections this Summer)

whadabouchasir

Fad wrote: »

Do the amount of chips on your shoulder impair movement at all?

If you spend 100,00 on a car then you expect it to have all of the features that would make driving more comfortable,air con,traction control.However if you spend 500 on a car then you are really not going to be bothered.The same goes for education,if you have enough money you can afford extra stuff,it's a fact of life,I don't see how pointing this out makes me have a chip on my shoulder.

sock puppet

Could the government not do something like reintroduce fees just for 1st and 2nd year? It wouldn't save as much money but there'd be less of a burden on students and imo it paying for it will make people think about their college choices a bit more.

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sock puppet wrote: »

Could the government not do something like reintroduce fees just for 1st and 2nd year? It wouldn't save as much money but there'd be less of a burden on students and imo it paying for it will make people think about their college choices a bit more.

What about course that arent 4 years long?

Like you'd be getting kinda screwed over if you're doing a diploma in something.

Also fees probably shouldnt be the same everywhere.

South-wind

Frankly, people who wish to prolong the complaining situation of the introduction of fee’s in which those who cannot afford to take advantage of so-called "introduction of third level fee’s" will end up subsidizing those who manifestly can should be ashamed of themselves

-ilikeshorts

College is already costing like 8000 a year without them but i guess there at the front of all the college prospectus' for a reason they range from about 4000 to a lot more sepending on the course although i must admit their reintroduction would make me look at a better paying job degree like law or something rather than one of the more "waster degrees" people refr too . I just cant see how possibly It could be viable for their new "knowledge economy" we would turn into a country going back to traditional jobs like in Ghana where they all are thought to go for Medicine or Law . Then again Ghana got a better deal for their oil and gas than we did . I know a lot of my class wouldnt afford to go and people say get a job one of my friends has given cvs into every place within a 10 mile radius to a get a summer joba and there is nothing available. Either way it looks like summer holidays plans will have to be deferred and maybe driving.