College Fees

South-wind

-ilikeshorts wrote: »

College is already costing like 8000 a year without them but i guess there at the front of all the college prospectus' for a reason they range from about 4000 to a lot more sepending on the course although i must admit their reintroduction would make me look at a better paying job degree like law or something rather than one of the more "waster degrees" people refr too . I just cant see how possibly It could be viable for their new "knowledge economy" we would turn into a country going back to traditional jobs like in Ghana where they all are thought to go for Medicine or Law . Then again Ghana got a better deal for their oil and gas than we did . I know a lot of my class wouldnt afford to go and people say get a job one of my friends has given cvs into every place within a 10 mile radius to a get a summer joba and there is nothing available. Either way it looks like summer holidays plans will have to be deferred and maybe driving.

No a law degree Is not a good idea...because solicitor are finding it very difficult to find work. And solicitors have left the country or ready. It’s so tough to get work within Ireland

Fad

-ilikeshorts wrote: »

College is already costing like 8000 a year without them but i guess there at the front of all the college prospectus' for a reason they range from about 4000 to a lot more sepending on the course although i must admit their reintroduction would make me look at a better paying job degree like law or something rather than one of the more "waster degrees" people refr too . I just cant see how possibly It could be viable for their new "knowledge economy" we would turn into a country going back to traditional jobs like in Ghana where they all are thought to go for Medicine or Law . Then again Ghana got a better deal for their oil and gas than we did . I know a lot of my class wouldnt afford to go and people say get a job one of my friends has given cvs into every place within a 10 mile radius to a get a summer joba and there is nothing available. Either way it looks like summer holidays plans will have to be deferred and maybe driving.

Law is the new Arts:pac:

As the poster above stated, you're not gonna get a job in Law in anyway easily!

Piste

South-wind wrote: »

Frankly, people who wish to prolong the complaining situation of the introduction of fee’s in which those who cannot afford to take advantage of so-called "introduction of third level fee’s" will end up subsidizing those who manifestly can should be ashamed of themselves

How do you mean? Since when have people who cannot afford to pay fees be subsidising those who can?

K4t

South-wind wrote: »

No a law degree Is not a good idea...because solicitor are finding it very difficult to find work. And solicitors have left the country or ready. It’s so tough to get work within Ireland

And things will pick up again in a few years time. These recessions happen in cycles. If someone wants to do law they should not be put off by the present circumstances. Having said that, Law has always been a tough industry to get into but if you really want to do it you should.

Delta Kilo

-ilikeshorts wrote: »

College is already costing like 8000 a year without them but i guess there at the front of all the college prospectus' for a reason they range from about 4000 to a lot more sepending on the course although i must admit their reintroduction would make me look at a better paying job degree like law or something rather than one of the more "waster degrees" people refr too.

That is the biggest error you could make. There is no such thing as a "waster degree". People do courses for there own reasons and should do a course because they feel they will like it and like a career in it. It is that that will make you good at a career - being interested in it. People will have to stop doing courses because they think its a "guaranteed job" or because society considers it to be a good job. It is that that is messing up the whole CAO points system. That is why everyone wants to become doctors and lawyers. They do not want these jobs because of what they will actually be doing in these jobs but they want them because of the money. Its called greed. Everyone seems obsessed with making money these days. Just so they can have a 5 bedroom house, a BMW and raise 2.4 children.

That isn't what life is about. Life is about pursuing your true dreams, whether that be working with sick people or working on the roads. Every job will earn you money, some more than others, but it is not the money that will make you happy when you have no time off to enjoy it, or, hate going to work every day.

On a separate note a solicitor is by no means a guaranteed job, not these days anyway. It never really was a degree where you would just walk into a job anyways. The barrister that done the PAL with us in TY told us that he spent his first four years as a qualified solicitor pulling pints in a pub before he was taken on by a law firm. When he went out on his own he told us it was impossible to get paid. Cases tend to go on for a very long time and you wont get paid until the case is over. All that was keeping him going was the legal side of property sales, which is now gone. Farmers were even trying to pay him with tractors and cattle!

But you have brought up a good point about the fees. People will feel pressured into going for certain courses so they do not think that they will be wasting the degree, if the fees come in. This will only add fuel to the already raging fire that is the CAO system.

K4t

Delta Kilo wrote: »

. That is why everyone wants to become doctors and lawyers. They do not want these jobs because of what they will actually be doing in these jobs but they want them because of the money. Its called greed. Everyone seems obsessed with making money these days. Just so they can have a 5 bedroom house, a BMW and raise 2.4 children.
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I lol'ed

It's been happening for years and will continue to happen, especially during the next few years.

However, most people who become doctors and lawyers want it badly. You can't just get 600pts and say "I think I'll do medicine". There's still 6 years of gruelling college exams to get through.

Synods

Whether we like it or not the introduction of fees looks like more of a certainty each day, but what upsets me the most about it is that it is my parents, not me, who may have to struggle to pay the price!
i have no problem making a contribution to my third level education but there's not a snowballs chance in hell that i could ever afford it during my course, even if i was lucky enough to be able to get a job to fund it!
If a scheme like that in place in england (where students are put through college and then pay back their own debts) could be introduced it would probably be the fairest way to go i think!

Delta Kilo

Synods wrote: »

If a scheme like that in place in england (where students are put through college and then pay back their own debts) could be introduced it would probably be the fairest way to go i think!

But what if you want to go abroad after college as I do. Does that mean that I will have to send money I earn back to old Éire and back to Cowen&Co from a country where the standard of living is lower and therefore wage rates are lower?

Synods

i think it depends on how badly Cowen&Co need the money! but realistically, as it is ireland, i dont really think we could ever be efficient enough to organise a system where our civil servants would bother to use airmail services....your money would be safe!

Mario007

Delta Kilo wrote: »

But what if you want to go abroad after college as I do. Does that mean that I will have to send money I earn back to old Éire and back to Cowen&Co from a country where the standard of living is lower and therefore wage rates are lower?

to answer your question: if it was under the english system you'd have to start paying back when you start earning a certain amount per year(its around 22000 pounds in england i think) so that seems fair

-ilikeshorts

I completely agree with you Delta Kilo thats why i put "waster degrees" in brackets i was referring to what people doing more traditional courses refer to new courses as i myself have applied for one of those degrees and im just saying what people have said about the degrere i want calling it a waster degree

whadabouchasir

If anyone calls any one elses course "A waster degree" then they're probably a pretentious,condescending asshole.

macroman

The government is bringing this country to it's knees. How do they expect to drag themselves out of the current economic mess, when they want to hinder the future workforces/tax payers progression into further education. They'll shoot themselves in the foot big time if college fees are introduced, I can predict that many future Leaving Cert students will be studying to emigrate if fees are introduced.

Synods

macroman wrote: »

The government is bringing this country to it's knees. How do they expect to drag themselves out of the current economic mess, when they want to hinder the future workforces/tax payers progression into further education. They'll shoot themselves in the foot big time if college fees are introduced, I can predict that many future Leaving Cert students will be studying to emigrate if fees are introduced.

If students can't afford to stude in ireland they definitely will not be able to afford to study overseas. Even in Scotland where the fees are free there is still the issue of living costs, flights, registration, etc. to contend with.
There is nowhere to emigrate to for work either, its not only ireland that has been crippled by the economic downturn, everywhere is affected!!

Fad

whadabouchasir wrote: »

If anyone calls any one elses course "A waster degree" then they're probably a pretentious,condescending asshole.

I agree with you, but I dont know who is more pretentious, the guy doinf Middle Eastern and Jewish Studies in a TSM with Film Studies (If thats even possible!) or the guy calling him a waster.

Piste

Fad wrote: »

I agree with you, but I dont know who is more pretentious, the guy doinf Middle Eastern and Jewish Studies in a TSM with Film Studies (If thats even possible!) or the guy calling him a waster.

Actually, in a hilarious twist of fate, you can only do Middle Eastern and jewish Studies in Trinity with Germanic studies, no other TSM.

Fad

Piste wrote: »

Actually, in a hilarious twist of fate, you can only do Middle Eastern and jewish Studies in Trinity with Germanic studies, no other TSM.

That is brilliant! And such a useful degree too!

whadabouchasir

Is anyone here doing one of these degrees?one of my friends wants to do ancient history and archeology with history.I think the demand for courses seen as impractical will go down in a recession.

Delta Kilo

Well I am doing Aeronautical engineering in UL because I am an, i think Aerosexual is the correct word! I just really like aircraft and would love a career in the aviation industry even though its a guarantee that I will have to go abroad once I am qualified. But this doesn't deter me from doing the course because I know i'll be happy if I am working with aircraft (hopefully flying them at some stage in the future)

-ilikeshorts

my friend was gonna do this then just went for straight pilot training in uk i think its split 2 years there 2 in florida

bmwlover

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this because the thread's so long and I'm really not bothered to read it all :pac:

I heard a suggestion on the radio about a week ago and thought it was a really good idea.

Basically college fees should not be re-introduced and everyone who graduates with a degree and gets a well paid job, pays a tax (like 1% or small like the sort) which are specifically for the government to pay for third level education.

I know I wouldn't mind paying this knowing that I was helping other students through college.

Anyone any comments?

rainbowtrout

bmwlover wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this because the thread's so long and I'm really not bothered to read it all :pac:

I heard a suggestion on the radio about a week ago and thought it was a really good idea.

Basically college fees should not be re-introduced and everyone who graduates with a degree and gets a well paid job, pays a tax (like 1% or small like the sort) which are specifically for the government to pay for third level education.

I know I wouldn't mind paying this knowing that I was helping other students through college.

Anyone any comments?

But that would mean that college graduates would end up paying a graduate tax for approximately 40 years of their life (and some would pay more than others), that would probably amount to far in excess of the fees it would have cost to put them through college in the first place.

Also there are many graduates who end up in low paid jobs that they could have got without a college degree (there are plenty of arts graduates in call centres), it would be rather harsh to ask for 1% of their wages when they are barely above minimum wage as it is. Even the government backed down on the income levy on low earners.

It would also mean that people who do not go to college but end up becoming quite successful anyway would not have to pay anything and if they had children they would go to college for free essentially.

And those that emigrate wouldn't have to pay it either so would get a free education as a result.


if graduates have to pay money back after they graduate it should be the fees for the course they completed.

Synods

bmwlover wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this because the thread's so long and I'm really not bothered to read it all :pac:

I heard a suggestion on the radio about a week ago and thought it was a really good idea.

Basically college fees should not be re-introduced and everyone who graduates with a degree and gets a well paid job, pays a tax (like 1% or small like the sort) which are specifically for the government to pay for third level education.

I know I wouldn't mind paying this knowing that I was helping other students through college.

Anyone any comments?

the fact is the government want the money from the fees asap, a tiny tax would be pointless at this stage!

bmwlover

And what if eventually students are paying up to €10,000 per year, with the majority of courses being 3 years?

That certainly won't help our economy grow as the majority won't be able to afford to go to college, resulting in a less educated workforce.

IMO, College fees are just another way of reducing government expenditure ie. punishing the public for the government's f**k ups.

p1akuw47h5r3it

How big a fee are we talkin about?? 5, 7, 10 grand??

shteve

Would it not be more logical to cut the grant allowance rather then introduce fees? It's saving money and not screwing people totally. i just feel that if fees were to be re-introduced the middle earner will not be able to afford to send their kids to college...just a thought :cool:

Fad

Paris Fast Self-reliance wrote: »

How big a fee are we talkin about?? 5, 7, 10 grand??

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p1akuw47h5r3it

Fad wrote: »

No-body knowsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

And are all the political parties in favour of fees?? Or do u know

PurpleFistMixer

Paris Fast Self-reliance wrote: »

And are all the political parties in favour of fees?? Or do u know

To answer the first question, if they removed what they do currently (paying your fees for you), it'd depend on the course, but between 5 and 7k, I think, depending on the nature of the course. Mine could cost about 6k I think, I'd GUESS that courses with less contact hours would cost less (ie Arts), but don't really know... At the start of the year in TCD we were given a booklet that details how much each course/postrgrad etc. costs, but I don't have it on me.

As far as the political parties go, no, not all of them are in favour, certainly not the socialist parties anyway.