Sarah Palin - One Smart Cookie

Pocono Joe

If you think those are bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. (IMHO:rolleyes:)

What are your feelings on bringing back the Fairness Doctrine. And if it comes back, should it also affect print, television, internet?

Matt Holck

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Spying on what books hundreds of thousands of innocent college students check out in their university libraries, violating their rights to free speech, privacy, and due process (A large and public protest by University of Texas-Austin students in 2004 drew media attention, an ACLU suit, and eventual backing off of the GW Bush Administration).

Such "orders from Washington" by GW Bush would be cause for George Orwell to smile.

I've never been that distressed about being heard on the internet
I should in turn have access to government files and opinions on me and who made them.
Further, all government business should be open to the public

Overheal

Pocono Joe wrote: »

If you think those are bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. (IMHO:rolleyes:)

What are your feelings on bringing back the Fairness Doctrine. And if it comes back, should it also affect print, television, internet?

I'd be against it, and also,

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/114322-Obama_Does_Not_Support_Return_of_Fairness_Doctrine.php

Im not scared of the Usa Patriot Act but then why did they need to sneak it in? Why rewrite it in the middle of the night? "Nothing to hide" my ass, the Act itself acts like it has something to hide.

Pocono Joe

I see your link shows Obama to be opposed to the Fairness Doctrine. I hope this is the case and not him just being good with “terms.” I would be interested to see what he feels about “Localism Rules” which some say is a backdoor (or may even be worse than the) Fairness Doctrine.
http://www.infowars.com/broadcasting-localism-rules-worse-than-the-fairness-doctrine/

Black Swan

Pocono Joe wrote: »

If you think those are bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. (IMHO:rolleyes)

You have evidence that the new Obama administration has begun spying on millions of innocent American citizens and thousands of college students like GW Bush since late January 2009? Links to support your comment?

Matt Holck wrote: »

I've never been that distressed about being heard on the internet

Well, I probably have an NSA file on me, given that I have been very critical online of the Bush administration. Reminds me of Republican US Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy and the McCarthyism Era (1947-1957) and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover snooping and building files on anyone that was not to the right politically, often labeling them communists, communist sympathizers, or pinkos.

Generally, anyone that did not agree with their conservative agenda was labeled, and thousands were investigated by the FBI, along with deportations of liberal Hollywood types ("Hollywood Blacklist") that had yet to establish citizenship. Historically it has been called the "Red Scare," and Republican US Senator McCarthy was an expert at scaring the American public. Does anyone now find it ironic that one of the largest USA trading partners is the People's Republic of China, the largest communist nation on earth? Or that communist Vietnam is a USA trading partner too? Or that the USA has been sharing space missions with Russia and negotiating with Putin, the former director of the KGB when Russia was part of the CCCP?

Does anyone remember how Weapons of Mass Destruction were used by the GW Bush administration to scare Congress and the American people into going to war (Second Gulf War)? Does anyone see the similarity between Republican US Senator McCarty's scare tactics and the WMD scare tactics of the Republican GW Bush administration? Geeeeee, there weren't any WMD were there? Huh? And those McCarthyism "Reds" now build toys for American children, along with manufacturing just about everything else for the USA?

Does anyone remember "One Smart Cookie" Sarah Palin's interview comments about watching for the Russians from Alaska? Or John McCain twice referring to Putin with KGB imprinted across his head?

(Bad B!ue runs to her locker, tossing this and that out, finally to find what she was seeking, her tin foil hat!)

Matt Holck wrote: »

I should in turn have access to government files and opinions on me and who made them.
Further, all government business should be open to the public

I can't wait for several of the Freedom of Information Act requests filed by the ACLU, and others concerned with how the GW Bush administration snooped on innocent American citizens while they were in power, to be granted and revealed now that Bush is out!

Pocono Joe

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

You have evidence that the new Obama administration has begun spying on millions of innocent American citizens and thousands of college students like GW Bush since late January 2009? Links to support your comment?

That’s rather easy, and can be summed up in a single word... SOCIALISM.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_socialism_matters_1.html

Overheal

.......I don't follow. How does SOCIALISM explain elaborately how someone is spying on millions of americans? Your article seems to try in dip into 200 years of politics and try and insinuate that Britain is somehow the socialist ideal, and barack obama's lovechild. Also all the 'evil britain' links therein are farcical.

The British socialist bureaucracy also controls people's lives at a level currently incomprehensible to Americans, who can't appreciate a state that is constantly looking out for its own good. In Britain, government protects thieves right's against property owner's, has it's public utilities urge children to report their parents for "green" crimes; tries to criminalize people taking pictures of their own children in public places; destroys perfectly good food that does not meet obsessive compulsive bureaucratic standards; and increasingly stifles free speech. (Impressively, all of the preceding examples are from just the last six months in England.)

Though if you follow the link for the guy taking pictures of his kid it clearly states the cops on site absolved him of any wrongdoing - it was members of the public who accused him of being a pervert, not the State. The request to remove barbed wire fence on the grounds it could injure a thief was a request, not a public order. The teen calling scientology a Cult was having charges filed against him by a private party: police only stepped in after recieving complaints. We dont know if he was exonerated or convicted. Besides, the fact that it made the Guardian lets you know everyone involved thought it was bs anyway. In short, your article linked to fires around *a lot* of tripe.

2Scoops

Overheal wrote: »

.......I don't follow. How does SOCIALISM explain elaborately how someone is spying on millions of americans?

Socialism is the new buzz word in the US to describe 'unAmerican' activities by Democrats. You know, like COMMUNISM! :eek: Wistful nostalgia to the Reagan era, I think...

Overheal

Im getting that vibe alright. The new racism, tbh.

Pocono Joe wrote: »

I see your link shows Obama to be opposed to the Fairness Doctrine.

And I see you don't care to comment on my concerns about the Patriot Act. Your point?

turgon

Pocono Joe wrote: »

That’s rather easy, and can be summed up in a single word... SOCIALISM.

You gotta wonder, considering how much that term is bandied about in America, do they actually know what it means??

Pollythene Pam

The only way to go, energy wise is nueclear. We need working reactors in every country. Or we could use wind, and wait an hour to boil a kettle.

GuanYin

Pocono Joe wrote: »

That’s rather easy, and can be summed up in a single word... SOCIALISM.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_socialism_matters_1.html

Ireland is one of the most socialist states on the planet imo, I'm not quite sure I see the problem.

Pocono Joe

I'm not interested in this:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/21643/

Overheal

then why post it?

Black Swan

Pocono Joe wrote: »

That’s rather easy, and can be summed up in a single word... SOCIALISM.

Huh? The Bush administration spies on millions of innocent American citizens and thousands of innocent college students during two terms of office, violating their Constitutional rights to privacy, free speech, and due process, and when you are asked to provide evidence (and links) supporting your comment that the new Obama administration, which is just a month old, has acted in like manner, you toss out a single word SOCIALISM, with some obscure link that fails to establish anything factual during the course of that one month of new Obama administration?

Pocono Joe

YUP!

Sometimes the key to good communication is brevity.

GuanYin

PJ, if you're not going to enter in a debate and insist on making remarks such as above, without entering into discussion on them (and then post a rather pointless link) you may as well not be here.


Take from that what ever meaning fro me you will.

Pocono Joe

Okay. I heard this recently on the Mark Levin show. It is the great Milton Friedman on socialism and conservatism.

The video is pretty long. Pretty much my take on the matter is the only way for the government to provide socialism, taking from one and giving to another, is by more government mandates, intrusion, and coercion than we currently have... ergo my comment "you ain’t seen nothing yet. IMHO."

Better?

Click on the black and white video:
http://reason.com/blog/show/131740.html

thebigcheese22

This thread is the first time ever I've seen Sarah Palin and smart in one sentence. :rolleyes:

Pocono Joe

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

This thread is the first time ever I've seen Sarah Palin and smart in one sentence. :rolleyes:

Then I suggest you get out more.

The Mad Hatter

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

This thread is the first time ever I've seen Sarah Palin and smart in one sentence. :rolleyes:

Without some variant of the words 'is not' between them anyhow.

thebigcheese22

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Without some variant of the words 'is not' between them anyhow.

+ 1

Then I suggest you get out more.

Haha I couldn't stop laughing at that one! :rolleyes:

Presumably you're one of the types who wants to minimise significantly the role of government... yet you want a clear idiot to take over that role?

That's clearly an unjustifiable paradox.

Also, proof that I 'get out' enough just fine, and that she is indeed a moron, imbecile, idiot, populist etc -

Black Swan

I'm hoping that the Republicans give "Smart Cookie" Sarah Palin another shot at the presidency in 4 years. Why? I want to see if she can beat her record for spending $75,000 in one day at Neiman Marcus. Wow! She had to be really moving through that store, given that it normally opens at 10AM and closes at 8PM? That's what, about 10 hours at 7,500 dph (dollars per hour)? Of course, I doubt she was standing at the front door waiting for it to open, or stayed in the store from open to close, so her shopping velocity must of been quite impressive for those working there! Reminds me of one of those telly shoppers game shows, where they give you a cart in a supermarket and you fill it as high as you can before the bell rings?:pac:

Pocono Joe

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

Also, proof that I 'get out' enough just fine, and that she is indeed a moron, imbecile, idiot, populist etc -

Hmmm, another paradox. Is this an image of a polar bear hunt with TheBigCheese explaining Darwinism to Palin while sitting in a white tent waiting out a snowstorm, or a representation of someone who doesn’t get out much and lives a life void of substance?

(I just see white dude)

thebigcheese22

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Hmmm, another paradox. Is this an image of a polar bear hunt with TheBigCheese explaining Darwinism to Palin while sitting in a white tent waiting out a snowstorm, or a representation of someone who doesn’t get out much and lives a life void of substance?

(I just see white dude)

Right well here ya go for starters -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8t_eMYFZ4

How can anyone want her as a future president of the most powerful country in the world?

Trouser_Press

When McCain chose Palin:

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Still don’t know much about the surprise pick of Palin… will have to get educated over the weekend.
BUT AT FIRST GLANCE… LOOKS LIKE A WINNER TO ME!

Pocono Joe? Sometimes it's best not to carry on embarrassing yourself.

Pocono Joe

Palin will be a future force to be reckoned with. Maybe not as President, but definitely part of a new growing Conservative movement. Not embarrassed in the least bit.

Trouser_Press

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Palin will be a future force to be reckoned with. Maybe not as President, but definitely part of a new growing Conservative movement. Not embarrassed in the least bit.

Good man.

Of course she will be part of a new growing Conservative movement. That's the point.

Pocono Joe

I see President Obama is up to business-as-usual by rewarding a key post in the Interior Department to one of Governor Sarah Palin’s main Alaska foes (and Obama supporter)… Democrat State Senator Kim Elton. In the game of playing partisan politics, Elton had a central role in the Troopergate non-issue investigation of Palin during the past election.

I enjoyed Palin’s response the news of Elton’s appointment. "Senator Elton pledged his allegiance to President Obama last summer. We wish him well as he moves on and hope that he uses this job for Alaska’s benefit - to advance the state’s oil and gas issues, including the natural gas pipeline, and to work diligently to remove the barriers imposed upon all states that want to open up their shores to off-shore drilling." She went on to say "I hope he can represent Alaskans by opening ANWR, conveying the importance of responsible mining development, and building roads – all issues crucial to the future of our state."

I know I probably stand alone on this one, but I’m going out on a fence on this one and say that statement isn’t one I would associate with an idiot, moron or bimbo.

Ludo

Pocono Joe wrote: »

I know I probably stand alone on this one, but I’m going out on a fence on this one and say that statement isn’t one I would associate with an idiot, moron or bimbo.

Possibly because she had absolutely NOTHING to do with that statement other being handed it and told to read it :pac: