Labour overtake FF in polls.

Stroke Politics · 12-02-2009 9:55pm #1

Tomorrow's Irish Times MRBI poll figures.....

FF 22% (-5)
FG 32% (-2)
Lab 24% (+10)
Gr 4% (nc)
SF 9% (+1)

MG · 12-02-2009 10:00pm

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Tomorrow's Irish Times MRBI poll figures.....

FF 22% (-5)
FG 32% (-2)
Lab 24% (+10)
Gr 4% (nc)
SF 9% (+1)

If this is right, they've done really well.

Gilmore and to a lesser extent Burton have been outstanding recently.

Pity their policies are exactly the opposite of what we need right now, but you can see how it would appeal to the masses.

FG + Lab now at 56%, whereas Lab+ FF at 46%. At least that points to a badly needed change and realisticly the FG/Lab combo is the only alternative to Failure Fail.

Alessandra · 12-02-2009 10:08pm

duplicate THread. didn't see the other.oops.. delete

turgon · 12-02-2009 10:11pm

Good as those figures are, I wonder in doubt whether they would be repeated in an election. Would people still go for the aul FF. Oh to see labour second biggest party in the state, my only gripe against them being their love affair with the unions. But Gilmore is the man.

Permabear · 12-02-2009 10:14pm

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Hillel · 12-02-2009 10:24pm

Alessandra wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0212/poll.html

"A surge in support for Labour has driven Fianna Fáil into third place in the latest opinion poll.......................

It was only a matter of time. What will this mean though? General election? Is there any point?

I so, at this stage I have lost all confidence in the current administration. For whatever reason they appear unable to take the necessary decisions, let alone have the credibility to make them stick. Meanwhile our international reputation, critical to any recovery, goes further down the swanney. The New York Times has already labelled Ireland "the wild west of European finance". I wonder what does that make Brian Linehan?

I am not partisan, politics wise. Neither have I been a member of any political party. However, I am absolutely prepared to be a foot soldier for Labour, this time out. We need more than a change of government. We need an entirely different approach to government. One that recognises the responsibilities and duties of government deputies, ministers, Tanaiste and Taoiseach. Bring it on!

Stroke Politics · 12-02-2009 10:26pm

If the election had been called today, FG would have to look to FF to form a coalition, to ensure the maximum number of cabinet positions as the lead party in the coalition. That would be a seismic shift, burying civil war politics for the first time ever.

Bear in mind also, that this poll was taken in the days BEFORE Lenihan told us he did not read the PWC report on the €7B B&B arrangement between Anglo & Irish Life, and Batt O'Thief's cuts in resource teachers....

nesf · 12-02-2009 10:28pm

Threads merged, title changed.

dresden8 · 12-02-2009 10:29pm

Stroke Politics wrote: »

If the election had been called today, FG would have to look to FF to form a coalition, to ensure the maximum number of cabinet positions as the lead party in the coalition. That would be a seismic shift, burying civil war politics for the first time ever.

Bear in mind also, that this poll was taken in the days BEFORE Lenihan told us he did not read the PWC report on the €7B B&B arrangement between Anglo & Irish Life, and Batt O'Thief's cuts in resource teachers....

One of the reasons Labour has been languishing for so long is because they went in with FF before.

If Labour put an unpopular FF party back in government it's over forever for them.

Stroke Politics · 12-02-2009 10:35pm

dresden8 wrote: »

One of the reasons Labour has been languishing for so long is because they went in with FF before.

If Labour put an unpopular FF party back in government it's over forever for them.

They've languished since 1919, and FF stole their clothes in 1926......

eoinbn · 12-02-2009 10:37pm

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Tomorrow's Irish Times MRBI poll figures.....

FF 22% (-5)
FG 32% (-2)
Lab 24% (+10)
Gr 4% (nc)
SF 9% (+1)

Interesting, but not really surprising. The public sector has fallen out of love with FF and the only party that has been courting them has been Labour.

Pity their policies are exactly the opposite of what we need right now, but you can see how it would appeal to the masses.

Possibly, but there is shift to the left going on around world wide right now.

nesf · 12-02-2009 10:39pm

eoinbn wrote: »

Possibly, but there is shift to the left going on around world wide right now.

Yeah, depressing isn't it?

Carraigrock · 12-02-2009 10:39pm

what about a rainbow -
FG, Labour and Greens all in power?....FF out in the cold.

What are the chances?

Stroke Politics · 12-02-2009 10:44pm

Carraigrock wrote: »

what about a rainbow -
FG, Labour and Greens all in power?....FF out in the cold.

What are the chances?

More likely FG/Greens/Independents, and the left wing in opposition.....

lostexpectation · 12-02-2009 10:49pm

New Labour here we come

Tom65 · 12-02-2009 10:56pm

Labour won't overtake FF in a General Election, though it's good to see them doing so well (there's a lot of Labour TDs I don't really like, but generally they're quite good).

On those results, there couldn't be a FG/Green/Independent government because they wouldn't have enough seats. It'd have to go FG/Labour, which would, presumably, give Labour half the cabinet.

Interesting to see the Greens unchanged. I think more and more the blame for the current financial crisis seems to be pointed towards FF, with the Greens as accessories to the crime itself. That said, they'll take a massive hit next election if things keep going the way they do.

ateam · 12-02-2009 11:02pm

lostexpectation wrote: »

New Labour here we come

If anything they are returning to old socialist ideas. Their opportunistic comments and opposition of the banks no matter what, are the main reasons for their increased support.

They have offered no solid alternative to any government proposals and have been notably quiet on the pension levy. Has Labour said if they're going to support the unions in industrial action for instance?

corribdude · 12-02-2009 11:08pm

Who are the retards who put Fianna FAIL at 22%? There are two many old biddys and whiskeyheads who are too stuck in their ways in this country.

irish_bob · 12-02-2009 11:15pm

as i expected a swing to the left , no real rise in support for fine gael

looks like gilmore,s left wing populist( anti business pro public servant ) jargon has paid off

mike65 · 12-02-2009 11:20pm

Nothing to see here as the next election is about 36 months away.

FG/Lab might be crapping themselves at the thought of inheriting this.

Agent Smith · 12-02-2009 11:39pm

pfkf on politics.ie wrote:

On these figures the seat totals would be

FG - 69 seats
LP - 40 seats
FF - 33 Seats
SF - 8 seats
GP - 4 seats
Inds - 12 seats

Here

Which would mean FG+LAB have 109 seats, a majority of 15

or you could have LAB+FF+SF+GP with 85 seats, a majority of 1

Not including the Ceann Comhaile.

mike65 · 12-02-2009 11:45pm

Maths 101?

ateam · 13-02-2009 12:10am

I would love to see Eamon Gilmore as Minister for Finance(just for a laugh).

mike65 · 13-02-2009 12:23am

Ruairi Quinn did a pretty good job if we ignore the 1 pound pension rise fiasco.

jimmycrackcorm · 13-02-2009 12:34am

I missed something - what did Labour do to get a rise in popularity other than just get the throw me off clothes of FF dissatisfaction.

nesf · 13-02-2009 12:37am

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I missed something - what did Labour do to get a rise in popularity other than just get the throw me off clothes of FF dissatisfaction.

Populist ranting from the pulpit by Gilmore. He's damn good at it.

corribdude · 13-02-2009 1:04am

Infracted for saying 'retards'...is this boards.china or boards.ie...for god sake that word has been a part of everyday vernacular for the last 15+ years, and even more so online. Its just another word for idiot, look up retard in any thesaurus. Infraction would be fair enough if I had called another poster a retard but just for giving my opinion on the people who voted FF in this poll this is way over the top. Do a search for idiots on this forum you will find lots of posts where people call the electorate idiots and also call various other non members of this forum idiots for their political views.

nesf · 13-02-2009 1:11am

If you've a problem with a moderating decision PM us about it don't argue about it on the thread please.

deadhead13 · 13-02-2009 1:15am

corribdude wrote: »

Who are the retards who put Fianna FAIL at 22%? There are two many old biddys and whiskeyheads who are too stuck in their ways in this country.

Over 70's medical card chickens coming home to roost.

gurramok · 13-02-2009 1:22am

eoinbn wrote: »

Interesting, but not really surprising. The public sector has fallen out of love with FF and the only party that has been courting them has been Labour.

Possibly, but there is shift to the left going on around world wide right now.

Think eoinbn has it all in one here.

The heavily unionised public sector always swung between FF and Labour. Bertie paid them off with benchmarking in previous elections for FF and now that has gone sour, they swing back to the traditional 'left wing' party which has strong ties to unions.

Plus the general public will go swing left wing(sorry for rhyme:D) when their job security/standard of living is threatened.

The first bunch are looking for protection from economic reality while the second bunch is facing economic reality and wants a lift, the irony in that this love-in will not last long.

samsemtex · 13-02-2009 1:36am

nesf wrote: »

Populist ranting from the pulpit by Gilmore. He's damn good at it.

Populist ranting? Are you a fianna fail-ist? I am not party political at all but from what i have heard from gilmore in the Dail he makes some very compelling arguments, asks some very serious questions to which the Taoiseach/ministers shouls have answers to and genuinely does seem to care about the electorate. He seems to be one of the few tds that actually cares...and that, in this country anyway, seems to be something that is sadly lacking. I genuinely believe that anyone who believes FF have genuinely have the country's best interests at heart is lacking something mentally.

Labour overtake FF in polls.

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