Andy Gray

Daysha · 13-02-2009 12:37am #1

Is it just me or has he gone completely bonkers in the last few months. Check out this quote from his blog about Guus Hiddink.

He did a respectable job for South Korea in 2002 - but then host nations generally rise to the occasion - and he did ok during his time with Australia.

But I thought Russia were pretty ordinary in the European Championships last year; they arrived in Austria & Switzerland with a huge reputation but in the end didn't deliver.

http://www.skysports.com/experts/expert_story/0,19793,12064_4915596,00.html

I mean, did he even watch those tournaments?! His constant criticisms of goalkeepers rather than applauding strikers for good goals really irks me too. Anyone else agree?

themont85 · 13-02-2009 12:43am

Andy Gray is a very annoying pundit imo. Used to like him but in recent years he goes way ott in his analysis.

anladmór · 13-02-2009 12:44am

what russia were **** and then hiddink qualified them from a group including croatia and england and then got to the semi finals of euro 2008.

Zatman · 13-02-2009 12:44am

Id be worried that you read this guys article and take it seriously. Gray couldnt tell the difference between a football and a fruit salad. An absolute waste of money. They guy is a yes man and its a pity he never went on RTE as they would take him down a peg or two

Dante · 13-02-2009 12:45am

Ever since that West Ham v Liverpool FA Cup final, all I can hear when he talks is "TAKE A BOW SON, TAKE A BOW!" no matter what hes talking about!....greatest line ever from a commentator! His accent is also glorious so who cares if he is awful at his job! He can't be much worse than Brian Kerr on TV3 and Kenny Cunningham on RTE!

Xavi6 · 13-02-2009 12:48am

I'd like to say what I really think of him but I'd have to ban myself.

Let's just say he's up his own arse at this stage and he talks a load of shite.

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Ever since that West Ham v Liverpool FA Cup final, all I can hear when he talks is "TAKE A BOW SON, TAKE A BOW!" no matter what hes talking about!....greatest line ever from a commentator! His accent is also glorious so who cares if he is awful at his job! He can't be much worse than Brian Kerr on TV3 and Kenny Cunningham on RTE!

Rubbish. Great lines are the ones that are once offs. Gray uses that nearly every week. He even used it to describe a Joey Barton goal against Charlton ffs.

raven136 · 13-02-2009 12:51am

Zatman wrote: »

An absolute waste of money. They guy is a yes man and its a pity he never went on RTE as they would take him down a peg or two

you have listened to Dunphy and Giles recently yeah?They are no better.

deadhead13 · 13-02-2009 12:55am

Andy gray is a muppet. Whats new?

Ardscoil Ris · 13-02-2009 2:27am

raven136 wrote: »

you have listened to Dunphy and Giles recently yeah?They are no better.

Dunphy can't stop talking crap and Giles, god bless him, just refers to every player on the continent as "That young lad".

As for Andy Gray, he's not the worst. Not great either. His points about Hiddink are completely valid. Let's analyze his career:

PSV: Won the Champions League drawing the last 5 games before the final which he won on penalties after a goalless draw.

Fenerbahce: Won nothing and was sacked after a year. Pretty poor considering that the league only has two teams.

Valencia: Spend three years there winning nothing.

Dutch National Team: Failed to win anything in France 98 despite have the best team in the competition.

Real Madrid: Only won the Intercontinental Cup and was sacked after a season.

South Korea: Impressive semi final position in the World Cup. Not so impressive when you consider that there was some very dodgey decisions gone in favour of the co-hosts.

PSV: Three league titles. Can't really fault him there, but competition do they have in that league because Ajax are fallen giants.

Australia: Got them to the World Cup beating Uruguay who they play practically every qualifying final. Got out of the group stage thanks to Graham Poll in a horrendous game that saw him make so many mistakes including booking a Croatian player 3 times.

Russia: Had a good team despite what people say. Was knocked out because his team failed to turn up against Spain. Spain didn't win that match because they played Russia off that pitch, they won because Russia allowed them to.

Look I think he's a good manager, but not the Saviour everybody seems to think he is.

redout · 13-02-2009 3:18am

I agree with Andy Gray here regarding Hiddink as his overall club record is abismal if you look at the amount of years he has managed clubs compared to what he has won. PSV Champions league aside were they were pretty pathetic in fairness then he has done F ALL ! PSV winning a dutch league is nothing of merit. Thats just like winning a SPL with Rangers or Celtic, its expected ! Very poor club record lads. On the International side of things he seems to be well suited to it.

Mossy Monk · 13-02-2009 4:02am

Sky give me the option of hearing just the crowd so I never have to listen to him. I hate him.

faulk28 · 13-02-2009 10:55am

What annoys me is his constant criticism of zonal marking. Everytime a goal is conceded from it he spends his last word programme telling everyone how it doesn't work and telling everyone how crap it is. England conceded a goal from man marking during the week, is he going to spend a half hour this week tearing that system apart? I don't think so.

citytillidie · 13-02-2009 11:37am

If Andy Gray is a tatical genius like Sky Sports try to make out, why has he not been a manager?

patmac · 13-02-2009 11:52am

citytillidie wrote: »

If Andy Gray is a tatical genius like Sky Sports try to make out, why has he not been a manager?

Everton were after him before Moyes, but Sky upped the wages so stayed. Everton dodged a major bullit there. Can't stand him for his major bias towards all things brilliant in the premier league even when the game is shte.

eagle eye · 13-02-2009 11:59am

My thoughts in ' ' when Andy Gray commentates on a game.

Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Then attempts something a little more insightful 'WAT'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Then attempts something a little more insightful 'WAT'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'
Says someting obvious 'Yeah, agree'

The the final whistle blows.

IvySlayer · 13-02-2009 12:02pm

This will make you sick, for Sky, and Sky alone, he earns £20,000 a week. That's roughly a million a year. He also earns money by doing commentary in FIFA games.

I don't like John Motson either...

Mossy Monk · 13-02-2009 12:13pm

I think John Motson is the worst commentator on tv.

Third_Echelon · 13-02-2009 12:15pm

faulk28 wrote: »

What annoys me is his constant criticism of zonal marking. Everytime a goal is conceded from it he spends his last word programme telling everyone how it doesn't work and telling everyone how crap it is. England conceded a goal from man marking during the week, is he going to spend a half hour this week tearing that system apart? I don't think so.

Liverpool fan by any chance?

Overall I think Andy Gray is alright... He can be quite annoying at times, that is for sure and lets his ego get the better of himself on occasion.

Third_Echelon · 13-02-2009 12:16pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I think John Motson is the worst commentator on tv.

boooooooooooo!

Motty is a legend. Best commentator out there...

The Hustler · 13-02-2009 12:28pm

Check out Don Goodman on Big League Weekend lads, VERY under-rated

patmac · 13-02-2009 12:56pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

This will make you sick, for Sky, and Sky alone, he earns £20,000 a week. That's roughly a million a year.

I'm so glad I cancelled Sky.

noodler · 13-02-2009 1:02pm

Motson is without a doubt the worse commentator on TV. He is annoying and he hardly knows where he is nevermind whats going down on the pitch.

Quint · 13-02-2009 1:15pm

Motty is a legend. But he's terrible.

Nalz · 13-02-2009 2:49pm

Conniffe doesnt need this bullsh!t, apparently

faulk28 · 13-02-2009 2:51pm

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Liverpool fan by any chance?

Overall I think Andy Gray is alright... He can be quite annoying at times, that is for sure and lets his ego get the better of himself on occasion.

Yep, and proud of it. Still think it's a valid point. Why does he not spend as much time covering man marking failings???
I think he's mostly alright.

Daysha · 13-02-2009 2:58pm

Motson is completely USELESS! A typical Mottyisum if the scoreline is nil all:

*Chelsea pass the ball in the centre circle*

Motson: OH AND HERE'S DROG-BARRR TO MAKE IT 3-1 TO THE BLUES, CAN HE SHOOT MARK? CAN HE?! HE IS YOU KN-....oh wait drogbarrrrs only hit it out for a throw in mark.

Lawrenson: *insert unfunny comment*

Loomis · 13-02-2009 3:07pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I think John Motson is the worst commentator on tv.

Oh my God yes. He irritates me no end.
The way he shouts Gerrard expecting him to burst the net anytime he gets the bloody ball within 35 yards of the goal wrecks my head. All the English commentators do it but with his voice it makes me want to melt my ears with acid until I hear no more.

RichTea · 13-02-2009 3:10pm

deise59 wrote: »

Motson is completely USELESS! A typical Mottyisum if the scoreline is nil all:

*Chelsea pass the ball in the centre circle*

Motson: OH AND HERE'S DROG-BARRR TO MAKE IT 3-1 TO THE BLUES, CAN HE SHOOT MARK? CAN HE?! HE IS YOU KN-....oh wait drogbarrrrs only hit it out for a throw in mark.

Lawrenson: *insert unfunny comment*

Or:

Motson: The cross comes in for Wayne Rooneeeeyyy! Ohhhh.....how unlucky was Wayne Rooney there? I fancied him there Mark
Lawrenson: I'm sure you did John.

anladmór · 13-02-2009 3:13pm

deise59 wrote: »

Motson is completely USELESS! A typical Mottyisum if the scoreline is nil all:

*Chelsea pass the ball in the centre circle*

Motson: OH AND HERE'S DROG-BARRR TO MAKE IT 3-1 TO THE BLUES, CAN HE SHOOT MARK? CAN HE?! HE IS YOU KN-....oh wait drogbarrrrs only hit it out for a throw in mark.

Lawrenson: *insert unfunny comment*

hahha spot on, a tosser of the highest order.

Racing Flat · 13-02-2009 3:34pm

Why doesn't Martin Tyler tell him that it's Bosingwa. BOSINGWA, not Boswinga. Drives me mad!!!

riflehunter77 · 13-02-2009 4:18pm

Was a fan of andy gray for years, but over the last two or so years iv built up a fair bit of hate for him. He just seems to be talking nothing but utter sh1te lately as for the last word on sunday evening, dont get me started he is very biased towards certain teams.

keane2097 · 13-02-2009 7:48pm

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

Oh my God yes. He irritates me no end.
The way he shouts Gerrard expecting him to burst the net anytime he gets the bloody ball within 35 yards of the goal wrecks my head. All the English commentators do it but with his voice it makes me want to melt my ears with acid until I hear no more.

Eh!?

keane2097 · 13-02-2009 7:49pm

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Ever since that West Ham v Liverpool FA Cup final, all I can hear when he talks is "TICK-A-BOO SON, TICK-A-BOO!" no matter what hes talking about!....greatest line ever from a commentator! His accent is also glorious so who cares if he is awful at his job! He can't be much worse than Brian Kerr on TV3 and Kenny Cunningham on RTE!

FYP

Daysha · 14-02-2009 3:07am

Racing Flat wrote: »

Why doesn't Martin Tyler tell him that it's Bosingwa. BOSINGWA, not Boswinga. Drives me mad!!!

He did, iirc. During the United-Chelsea game. Tyler told him on air how its meant to be pronounced, Gray took it seriously and said that's what he's been saying, Tyler nervously laughed and got on with the game

leninbenjamin · 14-02-2009 3:18am

Andy Gray has been talking out of his arse for years. i thought most people had figured that out by now...

Green Hornet · 14-02-2009 1:04pm

He is so obviously infatuated with Steven Gerrard too. Doesn't even try to hide it. He adores Gerrard.

applehunter · 14-02-2009 6:00pm

He always sounds like hes letting a big free on the jacks

Yessss!

Ardscoil Ris · 14-02-2009 6:29pm

Nobody compares to this guy.

Guillem, you are a god!

witnessmenow · 14-02-2009 6:30pm

I hate the way he asks retorical questions but still expects a reply. "You tell me how thats not a free.... tell me"

And the liverpool chelsea game there a couple of weeks back he was asking the ref they had in studio questions about mike Reilly decisions as if he should have a telepathic connection with each other because they both did they same job once upon a time

"What was going through the mike's head here?" (How the hell is he ment to know Andy?)

kingshankly · 14-02-2009 7:42pm

is it just me or has andy gray been very sharp and cutting to richard keys lately.keys would say something then gray will snap back illustrating how wrong he is,making little of keys(who doesnt know enough to know nothing by the way).
andy gray is a self righteous prick

Unearthly · 14-02-2009 7:46pm

Ardscoil Ris wrote: »

Nobody compares to this guy.

Guillem, you are a god!

I'm disappointed god is someone who spouts rubbish about transfers every few weeks

scruff321 · 14-02-2009 9:44pm

Andy Gray is pure mule!talks garbage hes just part of the whole corporate bs that skysports are spoutin..he loves hypin up players especially ronaldo,he over analysis everything, over critical of referees.to sum him up he is S.H.I.T.E

scruff321 · 14-02-2009 9:46pm

Unearthly wrote: »

I'm disappointed god is someone who spouts rubbish about transfers every few weeks

yea he does talk alot of gossip transfer etc, but i find him refreshing, knows what hes talkin about unlike Andy Gray who talks 70% nonsense.

therecklessone · 14-02-2009 10:36pm

Mod note

Guys, can you please moderate your own language a little, outright abuse of Andy Gray is still a breach of the charter and could be subject to an infraction or worse.

This isn't aimed at any particular poster, just a general note. Any questions you have re. this please forward via PM to me.

Thank you.

JoeA3 · 14-02-2009 11:07pm

His big stare into the camera every few seconds after he's said something "profound" drives me nuts!

Also, the Last Word program seems to be an excuse for him to show off his latest bling bling watch :pac: Agree with the point someone above made about him harassing their guest ex-ref pundit (Gallagher?)... The poor guy does his best to sit on the fence but Andy's having none of it!

Ardscoil Ris · 14-02-2009 11:58pm

Unearthly wrote: »

I'm disappointed god is someone who spouts rubbish about transfers every few weeks

Example please.

K4t · 15-02-2009 12:08am

themont85 wrote: »

haha

He's quite biased against Man United too. Never gives us an inch.

Carroller16 · 15-02-2009 12:21am

Slightly Ot . . Jamie redknapp the guys name is BOSINGWA. . . Not BoSWINGwa

Jam-Fly · 15-02-2009 1:32am

redout wrote: »

I agree with Andy Gray here regarding Hiddink as his overall club record is abismal if you look at the amount of years he has managed clubs compared to what he has won. PSV Champions league aside were they were pretty pathetic in fairness then he has done F ALL ! PSV winning a dutch league is nothing of merit. Thats just like winning a SPL with Rangers or Celtic, its expected ! Very poor club record lads. On the International side of things he seems to be well suited to it.

that's the trouble, Scolari was a good international manager too, very questionable club manager imo. I really didn't like him..

Oh yeah, mispronounciations:

Alex - Alek (to which Martin Tyler replied "Well Andy, I know in Scotland Alex is pronounced Alek, but in Brazil I think it's 'Alex')
Silvestre - Silvestt (Jesus that annoys me, maybe I'm wrong, but I've always said Sil-Ves-Tra)
and the Bosingwa one as already mentioned.
Countless others but I can't think of them atm

Jam-Fly · 15-02-2009 1:58am

just coz I feel like it...

Richard Keyes - Idiot, moron. Knows nothing about football

Andy Gray - Not his biggest fan, not his biggest critic, but in general I think he's okay. Does know more about football than most other people

Jamie Redknapp - I'd say I'll be in the minority but I actually like him. Is a little too lenient sometimes (doesn't want to offend anyone), but on the whole I think he is pretty good.

Martin Tyler - Great. Does his job well.

John Motson - Hate him. Loves stating the obvious in a profound sorta way. "Well...it looks like...yes he is...yes..the substitute is coming on...and...the player makes way for him"
"We have quite a tight game here tonight" (at 0-0 with neither side having a shot on target and 90% of the possesion being in the middle of the park)

Mark Lawrenson - Pretty crap commentator (do TV3 still CL games with him and Packie Bonner anymore btw?)

Bill O'Herlihy - lol, gotta love Bill. Himself, Giles, Brady and Dunphy have an unrivalled chemistry. Even though, individually, they may be talking s.hit, I would happily watch the 4 of them forever.

John Giles - Doesn't really understand football properly. Seems to focus on things and just repeat them. Very little knoweledge of foreign (and often domestic) players. Just not a great pundit overall.

Liam Brady - Pretty good, I like him. Knows what he's talking about and is usually quite fair. Will miss him from the panel.

Graeme Souness - What an idiot tosser. Has no idea about anything. Doesn't know anything about football, managers, players, tactics, formations, teams.. Like, just one example of a million is this (says this about November '08 I'd say)...
"Well, Arsenal will be a strong when they have a full team again. They're missing alot of players, Van Persie, Rosicky, Hleb, when these players are fit again, Arsenal will have a very strong team"
Come on, that's a joke. And he knows nothing about football!! Seriously, he doesn't know what he's talking about!! Surely being a failure as a manager is a sign that you don't really know what you're on about!

Eamonn Dunphy - Actually understands football despite what people say. If Souness or Giles says some piece of shit like they usually do, Dunphy will actually confront them and ask them to explain their point (which they usually can't back up with a decent reason). He is honest but plays to the controversial image alot. Bias towards towards Roy Keane and prejudice against Ronaldo, but other than that, reasonably fair.

George Hamilton - Good

Jimmy Magee - Obviously a legend

The RTE reserves are grand too. Kenny Cunningham, Ronnie Whelan, Darragh Moloney and Peter Collins are all fine, can't complain too much about them.

redout · 15-02-2009 2:41am

Jam-Fly wrote: »

Graeme Souness - What an idiot tosser. Has no idea about anything. Doesn't know anything about football, managers, players, tactics, formations, teams..
.