Star Trek XI - Building the Enterprise

norrie rugger

nyarlothothep wrote: »

aaaah I'm so angry right now!:p Well no not really. Picard used his mind definately but Janeway?! Janeway's solutions were always really drastic and relied on brute force. Get invisible parasite aliens to leave the ship, ok fly into two binary stars even though it will probably destroy the ship! Fix some power conduit after an attack (I can't remember which episode but...), ah run through flames and get severely burned, the doc will fix me up anyway.
Voyager was just script writers in space with deus ex super powers.

In order to become hardcore you must absorb obscure trek trivia, have a stalkerish knowledge of cast members, including guest appearances, have a collection of star trek memorabilia large enough to fill several museums and wear a star fleet uniform everyday while believing that Star Trek is real and not a tv show.

a what???

Cookie_Monster

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Star Trek is real and not a tv show.

Of course it's a tv show... ...recorded live on board ship in the future and transmitted back to now to show everyone how great everthing will turn out to be:)

norrie rugger

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Of course it's a tv show... ...recorded live on board ship in the future and transmitted back to now to show everyone how great everthing will turn out to be:)

Like a kind of reverse historical documents

User45701

soups05 wrote: »

the borg cube in frist contact may have arrived in our solar system without meeting any other ships via a trans warp corridor, the same way voyager returned.

voyager was able to defeat the borg time and again because the borg canot come up with new tactics or analsye others tactics. they have to assimilate rather than study. which is why the needed a truce with voyager when the encountered speices 8472.

Didnt it say in first contact that the cube was picked up by long range sesors? starfleet can detect transward corridors until they open.

I thought the starfleet moved to intercept in the Typer? System

Anyway a better question is the borg must have just sailed though romulan or klingon space? we know they went though klingon space on the way to wolf 359 but no mention if they passed though romulan or klingon space in FC

Also i dont get your last point?
The borg specialise in adapting, as weapons impact there ships they remodulate shields (but this onlybecause all life forms i the milky way use simmilar tech, phasers disrupters warp ect.) So what they encounter is always a veriration on something they have already assimlated

S8472 was the excception, no previous experience of anything even remotely simmilar.

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Well, the first Enterprise was constructed in orbit (NX 01), we also see the Voyager under costruction in space-dock in a flashback, so it stands to reason that it should, but these things were capable of landing & taking off again, so it shouldn't matter...also, it's a fraking film...as long as it's entertaining, who cares, right?

it's not as if the Enterprise will be on the ground past the start of the film anyway, so it's really a moot point.

Spon Farmer wrote: »

yeah, exactly. I hope this scene goes down as iconic in the annals of cinema history, like the opening scene of STAR WARS and such and such.

Sorry but i have to disagree, well maybe not i suppose it depends on where its being constructed - either way it should be at Utopia Planatia.

Do you know how pissed off i will be if it was built in Navada (Area 51) better not be anything remotly as stupid as that

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Of course it's a tv show... ...recorded live on board ship in the future and transmitted back to now to show everyone how great everthing will turn out to be:)

LOL do you remember that site as well??

it was like 16 years ago i saw it but i still remember it so clearly. i was like 8or 9 and there was a site where some guy claimred that Star Trek, Star wars and almost every scifi show and movie where 100% real

People traveled back in time to make TV shows they knew would make money so that they could put the money in the bank and in the futrue would be worth billions. First place id seen anyhting like it i always assumed that the South Park "Goobacks" episode and the fururama "anchovies" where both based off this site. But i remember reading pages and pages of what this guy had written. (ah the days of a 33k modem )

soups05

adapting shields to phasers!!! of course they did. sorry, must have been really drunk or stupid or something. i shall now lurk in the corner and try to learn more.



(sits in corner wearing dunce hat)

Pride Fighter

nyarlothothep wrote: »

l

I thought it was shit looking at first but it is starting to grow on me.

Cookie_Monster

norrie rugger wrote: »

Like a kind of reverse historical documents

Exactly:)

User45701 wrote: »

LOL do you remember that site as well??

Never heard of it

User45701

im losing count about how many times ive said this but still

**** YOU JJ!

He actually says these words

J.J. Abrams: 'This film's not for Trekkies'

and that ****ing tool playing Kirk actually said this

Like Abrams, Pine admitted that he was a relative newbie to the franchise.

"I began watching the original series pretty feverishly, because I knew I only had a limited amount of time to prepare for the role, and after getting halfway through the first and second season, I wasn't doing myself any favors by trying to pick up on the mannerisms of William Shatner and the minutiae of the Star Trek world," Pine said. "I would have created a character that was more impersonation than an original incarnation. J.J.'s prescription for realizing the role—and this goes for all of us—was to create our own and not worry too much about obeying the laws of the original Star Trek world."

Read more if you can stomach it...
http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/25/abrams-pitches-star-trek-the-beginning-in-korea/

chamlis

This isn't good for my rage...

/Ross Gellar

jonski

“So before Trek fans get too worked up over Abrams comments about the new Trek film being for new fans, bear in mind that Star Trek has not performed well in non-English speaking markets (with the exception of Germany). For the film to succeed in Asia, it needs an audience comprised almost entirely of ‘new fans’ so it makes sense for Abrams and Paramount to market the film being for that audience.”

User45701

bollox

it also makes sense to reduce wages of allot of people in politics and it does not happen why the **** should they do this? why is it called star trek if its not aimed at fans of star trek why not call it "space movie" or something i dont care. That way it can appeal to whoemever the **** they want it to and it wont have the negative aspects of star trek (nerd and other such)

funny thing is i remember when the internet was only used by a very small minority of people and geeks/nerds but no somehow its ok for anyone to use it and not be a nerd/geek? - anyway thats for another thread

Goodshape

User45701 wrote: »

why the **** should they do this?

Because Star Trek has been a bag of ****e for the past ten years or so?

jonski

User45701 wrote: »

bollox

I think the point that that quote was making is that JJ and Co said what they said to encourage people in the far east to go see it , not necessarily that was they said was true .

User45701

Goodshape wrote: »

Because Star Trek has been a bag of ****e for the past ten years or so?

Its 09 now your saying that there where no good episode of star trek in

DS9 - Season 7
VOY - Seasons 5, 6 & 7
ENT - Seasons 1, 2, 3 & 4

jonski wrote: »

I think the point that that quote was making is that JJ and Co said what they said to encourage people in the far east to go see it , not necessarily that was they said was true .

and my point was if they are trying to appeal to a new audience they should just name it something else - why does it have to be trek?

because they want money and trekies will see it because its called star trek and they will also get non trekies because its not true star trek

jonski

User45701 wrote: »

and my point was if they are trying to appeal to a new audience they should just name it something else - why does it have to be trek?

My impression from reading it is that they are trying to appeal to both new and old alike .

User45701 wrote: »

because they want money and trekies will see it because its called star trek and they will also get non trekies because its not true star trek

But isn't that the nature of the beast , weren't all the Star Trek movies made to make money , don't all the movie studios do everything in their power to maximise profits ?

I will wait until it comes out and decide for myself , two parts to it though , if the movie is any good and if they got the whole feel of the Original . I really don't see where they were going to go with the franchise , I never for one minute thought they would try this . I would have enjoyed if they had gone on a bit more with enterprise but I understand that I am in a minority

Mal-Adjusted

jonski wrote: »

I would have enjoyed if they had gone on a bit more with enterprise but I understand that I am in a minority

not really. from my understanding, Enterprise split fans 50/50...it's just the flamers are far more vocal...same with Voyager.

Goodshape

User45701 wrote: »

Its 09 now your saying that there where no good episode of star trek in

DS9 - Season 7
VOY - Seasons 5, 6 & 7
ENT - Seasons 1, 2, 3 & 4

Yes .

DS9 Season 7 is probably an exception - but I wouldn't have suggested any non-Trek fans pay any attention to those other seasons. And as a fan myself, I didn't enjoy them much either.

And don't forget First Contact was in 1996!

I'm not getting my hopes up but I do think some sort of reboot has been needed for a long time - and I don't think whatever might happen will diminish my appreciation of the old shows.

So I'll give them a chance. I like Abrahms style and I think this looks like it could be an exciting new Star Trek film.

chamlis

I figured for a while that the only place left for them to go was an irritating "Wesley Crusher in Starfleet Academy" type series.

Star Trek 90210

I hoped and prayed that they wouldn't and so far they haven't, but I can't be 100% happy with a Star Trek reboot. Even if the film is good and they do a good job, it still won't feel right.

Saruman

Im keeping an open mind about this and I am actually expecting it to be good. I do like Abrhams. Lost is great, even if it has got lost along the way and I am pretty happy with Fringe at the moment.

I have no problem with them changing the style of Star Trek. I am not the type of person who screams "Thats not how its supposed to be!" Unlike a lot of Lord of the Rings fans, I was quite happy that they changed the movie to be a little different from the books. I know what happens in the books so it is nice to see something slightly different.

Im know plenty of people were horrified when TNG came out and it was far more popular (rightly so) than TOS.

Spon Farmer

'rightly so':eek:

there was no excitement or adventure in the next generation.
7 seasons of no accomplishment. the movies never seemed like anything but tv films.

voyager always looked brand new despite being 'lost' in space and the cast and characters :rolleyes: [harry kim marries kes' daughter - eeww]

enterprise at least had potential but i'd sooner follow charlie mccreevy than scott 'i'm angry so i'll stick my big nose in your eye' bakula

TOS and DS9 are legends of tv and the kirk movies are epic. TOS and DS9 are the only trek series that are rewatchable

Saruman

DS9 is certainly the best in my oppinion, Im watching the re-runs on Virgin.

Mal-Adjusted

Spon Farmer wrote: »

enterprise at least had potential but i'd sooner follow charlie mccreevy than scott 'i'm angry so i'll stick my big nose in your eye' bakula

you're joking right? Archer was easily the best of the five captains.:D

User45701

Goodshape wrote: »

Yes .

DS9 Season 7 is probably an exception - but I wouldn't have suggested any non-Trek fans pay any attention to those other seasons. And as a fan myself, I didn't enjoy them much either.

And don't forget First Contact was in 1996!

I'm not getting my hopes up but I do think some sort of reboot has been needed for a long time - and I don't think whatever might happen will diminish my appreciation of the old shows.

So I'll give them a chance. I like Abrahms style and I think this looks like it could be an exciting new Star Trek film.

Fair enough but just for the laugh.....

i can remember some wopper episodes- did you (or anyone else) not like the following - i had to open up tvrage for some of them i couldent remember all the names

VOY

501 - Night (Place with no stars - The Void - First encounter with the maylons)

506 - Timeless (i love this one, quantum slipsteam drive fails voyager crashes on a ice planet leaving harry/chaqutoy to return to earth alone on the delata flyer)

510 - Counterpoint (Another voy i aboustly love. The Devore imperium)

514 - Bliss (telepathic pitcher planet makes wormhole)

515/516 Dark frontier (ye i know voyer recked the borg but i just love the intro where they beam the torp onboard)

520 - Think Tank (Mar/31/1999)
In a twist, a space ship “think tank” team, that just happens to be around to save Voyager from several attacking ships, actually has its own secret agenda, which involves recruiting Seven of Nine into their group. But will Seven agree to join them, and if she doesn’t, what action will they take?

522 - Someone to Watch Over Me (Apr/28/1999)
When the Doctor tries to teach Seven of Nine how to date, as part of his attempt to humanize her, he gets caught up in his task, and soon one of the crew learns that the Doctor has become smitten with Seven.

524 - relativity (another goodin) 7 is recruited for the 3rd time by the time ship relativity to stop future brax

526/601 - Equinox (voy enconters the federation ship equinox)

607 - Dragons Teeth (another one i love)(voyager discovers subspace corridors which lead them to forming an alliance and aiding the Vod`war)

609 - the voyager conspiracy (7 goes a bit ott and figures out two conspiracys involving chakotay and the captain the tried to turn them against one another)

610 - pathfinder (Barcley on earth trying to make contact) - another ep that stand well above the rest

709/710 - flesh and blood - herogin take over voyager - cue nazi's

711 - shattered (i love this one) Voyager is seperated into several different time zones

715 - the void (this is like 601 but its not an area of space like 601 is an area of space in on itself or something similar - anyway it insoles lots of races not just the 2)

ENT - here this show was very underrated but still

103 - Fight or Flight (after a failed pilot episode this was brilliant one of if not the best in season 1 (ive always suspected this race could have been the breen btw))

107 - andorian incident (at the vulcan controlled Pajahem)

111 - cold front (a suliban sneaks onboard and saves the ship)

112 Silent enemy (a bit like 103 but not as good)

115 - shaddows of padjehm (follow up to the andorian incident)

126/201 shockwave (planet go boom everyone dead - why, how who)

204 - dead stop (fantastic episode although i wish we knew more) strange space station that helps damaged ships - station is automated

215 - Cease Fire (Feb/12/2003)
The Andorians and the Vulcans are locked in battle over a small planet, situated on the frontier between their two systems. Both sides claim that it belongs to them — the Andorians refer to it as "Weytahm," while the Vulcans call it "Paan Mokar." Andorian Commander Shran has landed a force on the planet and occupied the settlement. Now, the Vulcans are calling for a cease fire and Shran wants Archer to help the two sides negotiate. Vulcan Ambassador Soval is reluctant to bring Archer in as mediator, but three Vulcans have been taken hostage, and Shran has made his position clear — he only trusts Archer.

216 - Future Tense (Feb/19/2003)
When the Enterprise crew discovers a mysterious, futuristic vessel adrift in space, Captain Archer orders it brought onboard for further investigation. Inside the craft, the crew is shocked to find what is apparently a human body, charred beyond recognition. Trip and Reed take a closer look at the interior of the ship, and discover that it is much more spacious that it appears. They also discover a "black box" device within the depths of the ship and prepare to bring it up to Engineering for more research.

223 regeneration - borg

226 - the exoance - earth is attached and a klingon has it in for archer on the way back

The xindi conflict

301
305
307
308 (fantastic episode)
311
312
313
318-324 (what a 6 parter - there has been notning like it since DS9 513-606)

404-406 - border land - 3 parter about super humans from the eugenics wars

407-409 - The forge - 3 parter about vulcan

412-414 - A strange raider is attacking all other races at random

415-417 - klingon diesse - Ffffhhh i like it i dont care and its a great answer for why klingons look different

418/419 - in a morror darkly (i love this ep - archers acting was so so especially in the 2nd 1/2) but i still love the mirror universe (if you like it as well Shatner wrote 3 books on it)

Hmm that took nowhere neer as long as i thought - i knew most of them but as you can see some are copy/pastes

did i leave any out?

Spon Farmer

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

you're joking right? Archer was easily the best of the five captains.:D

your being sarcastic - tell me your your being sarcastic please - i can't tell :eek:

norrie rugger

Spon Farmer wrote: »

your being sarcastic - tell me your your being sarcastic please - i can't tell :eek:

Oh Lordy, I really hope so.

Mr. emotion means puffing out your ckeeks and blowing out your words, with lots of ennunciation.

An inanimate carbon rod could have taken Archer's (and mayweather's) place easily.

T'Pol: just T&A

Reed: Honestly, the character was a whiney bitch, but played well.
Trip: As above
Hoshi: criminally underused but also as above.

Flox: Gem of the show, episodes with him have great standout moments


Massive potential there but B&B decided that their vision of Trek was better than Rodenberry.

Reason that Enterprise had more potential than Voyager was the ability to have reoccuring characters, like Shran/Saval.

Voyager, one of the fastest ships in the fleet, should never have run across the same characters twice. How the hell did the Kazon ever stay up with them? Seska should have been left behind in a second

Goodshape

norrie rugger wrote: »

An inanimate carbon rod could have taken Archer's (and mayweather's) place easily.

User45701

norrie rugger wrote: »

An inanimate carbon rod could have taken Archer's (and mayweather's) place easily.

Voyager, one of the fastest ships in the fleet, should never have run across the same characters twice. How the hell did the Kazon ever stay up with them? Seska should have been left behind in a second

lol

but on the voyager but - had a talk about this before and its been on a few sites.

Voyager took allot of detours to investigate lots of stuff and say hi to people, also ive wondered if you use more antimatter the faster you travel?

norrie rugger

User45701 wrote: »

lol

Voyager took allot of detours to investigate lots of stuff and say hi to people, also ive wondered if you use more antimatter the faster you travel?

That's the problem with it!
What the fawk was she doing? Sightseeing???

Cookie_Monster

norrie rugger wrote: »

That's the problem with it!
What the fawk was she doing? Sightseeing???

What's one more year on top of 70 sure:rolleyes:

What used to really annoy me was that nearly every exterior shot of voyager (filler shots) showed it just sitting there at impulse rather than warping merrily along.

norrie rugger

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

What's one more year on top of 70 sure:rolleyes:

What used to really annoy me was that nearly every exterior shot of voyager (filler shots) showed it just sitting there at impulse rather than warping merrily along.

exactly.
Or at the end of an episode they would warp.
so they slow down to do the tourist thing, then fly off at warp again to stop for the next exciting adventure


so how many days are there now till the NCC-1701 Takes Off form the ground?