F1 - best races of last 20 years???

mrmac · 13-02-2009 12:14pm #1

Watched the 1978 Monaco Grand Prix last night - crap quality, and in German - but great viewing. I could remember the black John Player Special cars, but never connected them with the great Irish driver, John Watson. Don't know why, just never put the two together?

Going to watch the 1978 Great Britain round tonight.

Can anyone remember any really great F1 races of the last 20 years?
Need to get a F1 fix!

Robur · 13-02-2009 1:26pm

1989 Australian GP
1998 Belgian GP
2008 Brazilian GP
2006 Hungarian GP

That's probably my Top 4, however last laps of 1992 Monaco and first ones of 1993 European GP were also great.

smooch71 · 13-02-2009 1:31pm

2005 Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka.

Alonso around the outside of Schumacher at the 130R and Raikkonen taking the lead at the last lap. Amazing stuff.

The climax to 2008 was awesome too. I never went from such a high to such a low when I thought Massa had won the championship and realised Glock had let Hamilton into 5th. Sick!

I was at Silverstone standing at the end of the Hangar Straight for 2007 British GP and watching Massa (having started at the back) pass a car at the spot we were standing lap after lap was just breathtaking,

mrmac · 13-02-2009 1:38pm

Thanks for the reply, I'll have to dig those out, I know I have them here ..... somewhere!
I think I remember the 1989 Australien GP, is that the one is the lashing rain?

Robur · 13-02-2009 1:45pm

mrmac wrote: »

I think I remember the 1989 Australien GP, is that the one is the lashing rain?

It was wet too, as Australia 1991 (the shortest race ever, stopped with half-points applied).

mrmac · 13-02-2009 2:55pm

1989 Australian GP
1998 Belgian GP
2005 Japanese GP
2006 Hungarian GP
2008 Brazilian GP

All lined up - now to get some beer and grub!

Thanks again guys!

Robur · 13-02-2009 3:05pm

mrmac wrote: »

All lined up - now to get some beer and grub!

Heh, so have a nice F1 weekend

Anyway, I prefer to watch F1 season review than an old race...

smooch71 · 13-02-2009 3:33pm

mrmac wrote: »

1989 Australian GP
1998 Belgian GP
2005 Japanese GP
2006 Hungarian GP
2008 Brazilian GP

All lined up - now to get some beer and grub!

Thanks again guys!

Where do you get them all??

mickdw · 13-02-2009 3:37pm

smooch71 wrote: »

Where do you get them all??

+1

Id like to have a look at a few old races too.

Cookie_Monster · 13-02-2009 4:02pm

Germany 2000. Rubens from 18th to 1st:)

Robur · 13-02-2009 4:42pm

smooch71 wrote: »

Where do you get them all??

Recently found but never tried the links and don't know what's the language version LINK

smooch71 · 13-02-2009 5:00pm

Robur wrote: »

Recently found but never tried the links and don't know what's the language version LINK

Does Bernie know about that I wonder????

Robur · 13-02-2009 5:26pm

smooch71 wrote: »

Does Bernie know about that I wonder????

Fortunately that's on non-eu russian server

F*** Bernie, he has broken this sport by his stupid ideas and carring just for his business - cancelled Canadian GP, moved F1 to Asia, cancelled(?) Silverstone and so on.

BTW. Everybody wants to have more teams in F1, but all new teams have to pay for the transport more, pay a fee at the beginning - IMO, that's all Bernie's fault.

mrmac · 14-02-2009 3:30pm

There are loads of links on the net for old races - many are on specific download sites, or torrents, which may require payment. I got a set of DVDs last year, on the net, of all the races since 1978. Some early races are really poor quality, but still very interesting.

G-Money · 14-02-2009 5:45pm

My memory is a bit foggy to be honest but Spa 2008 and Brazil 2008 stand out for me anyway.

shamwari · 18-02-2009 12:06am

Of the 80's races

Monaco '82: The lead changed several times in the last 2 laps. Prost had the race in the bag in the Renault only to crash in the chicane after the tunnel. Everyone did their best to loose the race thereafter and eventual winner Patrese was alleged to have stalled in the tunnel and received a push start by marshals! Even Derek Daly was in with a shout of winning!

San Marino '82 - race long fight between Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi. The two faught like cat and dog with some of the best slip-streaming ever seen in F1. After the race, Gilles accused Didier of breaking a pre-race agreement and stealing the win. An incensed Gilles was killed two weeks later trying to outpace Pironi in qualifying at Zolder in Belgium. Pironi himself was horrificaly injured in qualifying at a wet Hochenheim later that year and never raced again in F1. He too was killed in power boat race in (I think) 1987.

Silverstone '85: KiKi Rosberg bagged pole with the fastest ever qualifying lap in F1, with an AVERAGE speed of 160mph. He couldn't maintain that pace in the race though. A slow starting Prost dropped down the field and then put on a typical "Professors" charge and came flying through. By the time he got to second place, Senna in the black Lotus was around 15 seconds up the road. Prost undeterred kept the foot down and wound in the lotus with a series of lap records. He then put Senna under serious pressure but the Brazilian found some pace and pulled away slightly. Prost responded and zoomed in again. The hapless Brazilian eventually ran out of fuel with 2 laps to go. Prost won and was a lap ahead of everyone else.....

Adelaide 86: Mansell had the title in the bag. Prost and Piquet were outsiders who needed to win without Mansell scoring to nick the crown. Those famous images of Mansell driving down the back straight and his tyre blowing out are legendary. Piquet had to stop for a precautionary tyre change therefter. Prost who had already stopped following an earlier puncture could keep going, and won the race by four seconds, nicking the title in the process.

Silverstone 87: The two Williams' of Mansell and Piquet were in a league of their own. Piquet led the race from pole and opted not to stop for tyres. Mansell changed rubber before half distance and went hotfoot after Piquet. With two laps to go they were nose to tail, but by then Piquets tyres were completely shot. Mansell dived past under breaking into stowe corner after he sold Piquet a dummy. The crowd went banana's......!

Suzuka 88: Senna on pole, Prost 2nd. Senna messed up his start and ended up in midfield. But he put on stunning drive to fight back through the field and overhaul Prost to take the win, and the 88 championship. To be fair to Prost, his car was jumping out of first gear, but take nothing away from Senna, it was a fantastic drive.

Hungary 89: Mansell wins the race after nailing Senna in an audicious overtaking maneover whilst the Brazilian uncharacteristically hesitiated whilst lapping a slower car.

Suzuka 89 - Part1
A huge race long spat between Prost and Senna came to a climax at the chicane where they banged wheels and interlocked. Prost got out and retired. Senna restarted and was eventually disqualified handing the title to Prost.

The early 90's races
Mexico 90: Prost qualified his Ferrari in mid-field but had a huge speed advantage come the race. He picked off everyone, including Mansell and Senna. Mansell meanwhile had a bitter fight with Berger and pulled off a stunner to overtake him by driving around the outside of him at 200mph around the fearsome 180degree Peraltada corner. Love him or loathe him, Mansell had balls...

Silverstone 90: A race I was at! Mansell retired his Ferrari from the race and emotionally announced a sort of retirement and threw his gloves into the crowd at Copse corner. Prost won the race in the sister Ferrari with a faultless display. The sound of those V12 machines are the best I have ever heard in F1. Truly brilliant!

Suzuka 90 - Part 2
Senna drove Prost off the road at the first corner following the start to win his 3rd title. He admitted a year later that he did it on purpose.... No sanction was ever applied to him. If it were today, he would have had a lifetime ban and a charge of attempted murder flung at him.

More to follow...

Sham. :pac:

shamwari · 18-02-2009 12:38am

ODD-JOB · 21-02-2009 4:23pm

Nobody mentioned Mangycours 99 ??

Best Qualifying for me,....

Massive alesi fan here so I am biased.

Rubens on pole , followed by alesi , panis , couldthard , and frentzen in the jordan.

The race was fantastic too !! best race for me apart from the jordan 1-2 in Spa.

shamwari · 21-02-2009 8:02pm

Have to admit that Alesi was a great driver who deserved to achieve more than just one win for his entire career. If I recall correctly, he had signed for Williams for the 1991 season, but by agreement he switched to Ferrari who bought him out of his contract. Had Alesi gone to Williams, he surely would have been a title contender as the FW11 (or was it 12?) was the fastest car throughout most of that year. By contrast, Prost described the Ferrari as a truck, a comment which resulted in the Scuderia firing him after the Japanese GP and leaving without a drive for '92. He came back to win the title in '93 with the very team that Alesi should have been driving for all along.

rua1972 · 21-02-2009 8:21pm

I can't recall complete races, of which i would say i never forget that one. Only great moments. Alesi overtaking Senna in one of his first races, i believe in America. Schumacher ploughing into Coulthard at Spa, and driving to pits on three wheels afterwards. Schumacher taking Hill out of the race and thus becoming WC. Hakkinnen overtaking Shumacher at Spa. Raikkonen's suspension exploding in the last lap at nurnbergring, had he finished, and won, the race that day, he would have been a hero. Now everybody says McLaren should have changed the tyres. But then he would never had won the race. Senna at Donington in the rain is wonderful (to be found on youtube). Senna before his ultimate qualifying lap. Going over the track in his mind with his eyes closed, and then go out and take pole.

shamwari · 21-02-2009 9:13pm

Part 2 of Shamwari's favourite F1's races

European GP '93: Senna's opening lap was something like that which you'd drive on a playstation and is the stuff of legends. From an iffy start arriving fifth at the first corner, he led the race by the laps end, passing Schumacher, Wendlinger, Hill and Prost on the way. In particular, the manoeuvre around Wendlinger around the outside of the Craner curves was jaw dropping. Apart from that, he was actually faster on dry tyres in the rain than the rest of the field who were on wets at the same time! Senna wasn't someone who was a favourite of mine, but his driving that day was truly masterful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkb51nahylQ

Japanese GP '94: A race that was more akin to power boating that a car race, so atrocious were the conditions. The race was won by Damon Hill on aggregate times, despite ferocious pressure from the rain master Herr Schumacher. Alesi fans will also enjoy this footage...the sound of that Ferrari V12 is just awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHDjsGO7D0

Monaco 96: Like Monaco in 82, this was a race that any one of a number could have won, yet many opted to park their cars in the wall amid wet and damp conditions that very tricky. Hill was driving a finely judged race and seemed on course for victory when his Renault V10 suffered an uncharacteristic failure coming out of the tunnel. In the end, a steely composed drive from Olivier Panis took him to the top of the rostrum. It's always nice to see a different winner in F1 for a change, and Panis was a worthy one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHDjsGO7D0

Belgium '98. A Jordan 1-2 was the outcome after a race that was more akin to a demolition derby! There was a huge pileup at the start as the fickle Ardennes weather delivered a monsoon. There was excitement too in the pits as a furious Michael Schumacher stormed in the McLaren pits to punch Coulthards lights out, after the two collided controversially on track whilst the former was lapping the latter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OurSqPvks84

More anon.....

Sham

shamwari · 22-02-2009 12:51pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Funny how people always talk about how dirty and nasty Schumacher was and that he would never compare to the likes of senna etc. But people always forget some of the underhanded things that senna did. Fantastic driver though!

I agree too. Schuey often resorted to the odd professional foul (e.g Austrailia '94, Jerez '97) in banging wheels to thwart a threat from behind. Senna's move at Suzuka in '90 was in a different league in terms of sportsmanship, sheer danger, and nastiness. There were reporters who commented that the note of Senna's engine never changed going into turn1 at the start, the implication being that he kept his foot hard on the gas and lever attempted to brake. The objective was even clearer: take Prost out and win the Championship. It was a disgusting and objectionable thing to do, and if such a thing were done today, I suspect that the FIA would impose an appropriate sanction.

Only once since have I ever witnessed a championship decided in such an unsporting way. That was in the BTCC in 1992 when Steve Soper ploughed out John Cleland, resulting in Soper's team mate Tim Harvey winning the BTCC that year. Soper is alleged to have commented some years later that " he [Soper] had a job to do that day" :mad:

Bitten & Hisses · 23-02-2009 6:07pm

Spa 1998 for obvious reasons. I suppose Monza 1999, because you could argue that it was the only time Jordan had the speed to merit the victory without the weather intervening. Sure, Hakkinen spun out, but Frentzen was well and truly mixing it with him.
Then you have Estoril 1997, when Villeneuve took Schumacher on the outside of the Parabolia. A truly outstanding manoeuver.

manutd4life · 23-02-2009 8:39pm

suzuka 2005.what a race

shamwari · 16-03-2009 2:50pm

Murray Walker has moninated his 5 favourite of all time

See http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7928402.stm

F1 - best races of last 20 years???

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