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Dom-de-dom-dom-DOOOOOMMMMMMs.
Those 150 squats did me no good. Was fairly sore the next day, then went playing indoor footie at lunchtime and felt my left thigh muscle tear.
This has been poking at me for some time now. Actually reared its head just before the fight on Saturday. I've done nothing since, but will do yesterdays crossfit this evening (50% of it anyway). The DOMs were a real sign that my fitness isn't what I thought it was. Guess that's why I (at least partly) lost on Saturday.
In other news: No fight in 2 weeks. Enjoying overeating slightly. Will stop that tomorrow. 0 -
punchypunchy wrote: »Dom-de-dom-dom-DOOOOOMMMMMMs.
Those 150 squats did me no good. Was fairly sore the next day, then went playing indoor footie at lunchtime and felt my left thigh muscle tear. This has been poking at me for some time now. Actually reared its head just before the fight on Saturday. I've done nothing since, but will do yesterdays crossfit this evening (50% of it anyway). The DOMs were a real sign that my fitness isn't what I thought it was. Guess that's why I (at least partly) lost on Saturday.
In other news: No fight in 2 weeks. Enjoying overeating slightly. Will stop that tomorrow.
Hey buddy, likin the log. What kinda diet do you have comin up to a fight and how does this differ to what it is now? Would be very interested to know given you have to make weight. I'm takin a log carb approach over the next few weeks - somethin like wholegrain cereal for breakfast, meat and veg for lunch, piece of fruit in afternoon, fish/meat/eggs/veg/fruit in evening. Find it hard to eat lower carb - reckon I need to come up with some low carb meal ideas....0 -
The big difference between now and the run up to a fight: BISCUITS!
Ah no, seriously, when I'm trying to lose weight I'll only eat complex carbs (except PWO) but otherwise I will indulge my sweet tooth a bit. This morning I had a disaster of a breakfast: 4 x home made flapjacks and coffee. On the up side, the flapjacks had lots of healthy gear in them.
I'm not a big fan of low carb diets myself. I think they affect training fairly negatively - I find I've no energy to hit pads if I don't eat carbs.
Right now I am allowing myself some simple carbs as I've no confirmed fight date. I'll probably drop that down a lot come Monday. I still (always) have some kind of biscuit with my coffee. That's my one vice that I'm not willing to cut out, ever. I do bake more healthy biscuits if I'm trying to lose weight though.
In general: Something oat based for breakfast. Most mornings it's oat pancakes (oats, whey, cottage cheese, egg, water, blended) or scrambled egg on toast. Snacks consist of Fruit / cottage cheese on ryvita / tuna on ryvita / protein flapjacks / that kind of thing. I'd snack a lot during the day. Salad for lunch. Lean meat and plenty of veg for dinner. If the family are having a pasta based meal I'll just reduce down (sometimes to zero) the amount of pasta I'll have with it. Same for spuds.
Have you much weight to lose? How are you finding the low carb diet yourself?0 -
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punchypunchy wrote: »The big difference between now and the run up to a fight: BISCUITS!
Ah no, seriously, when I'm trying to lose weight I'll only eat complex carbs (except PWO) but otherwise I will indulge my sweet tooth a bit. This morning I had a disaster of a breakfast: 4 x home made flapjacks and coffee. On the up side, the flapjacks had lots of healthy gear in them.
I'm not a big fan of low carb diets myself. I think they affect training fairly negatively - I find I've no energy to hit pads if I don't eat carbs.
Right now I am allowing myself some simple carbs as I've no confirmed fight date. I'll probably drop that down a lot come Monday. I still (always) have some kind of biscuit with my coffee. That's my one vice that I'm not willing to cut out, ever. I do bake more healthy biscuits if I'm trying to lose weight though.
In general: Something oat based for breakfast. Most mornings it's oat pancakes (oats, whey, cottage cheese, egg, water, blended) or scrambled egg on toast. Snacks consist of Fruit / cottage cheese on ryvita / tuna on ryvita / protein flapjacks / that kind of thing. I'd snack a lot during the day. Salad for lunch. Lean meat and plenty of veg for dinner. If the family are having a pasta based meal I'll just reduce down (sometimes to zero) the amount of pasta I'll have with it. Same for spuds.
Have you much weight to lose? How are you finding the low carb diet yourself?
Biscuits? Biscuits??! Heheh!
Nah not much to lose at all. Am between the flat belly working towards that six pack stage! Will take a little while but getting strict with diet lately - very little booze, keeping sugar levels down, upping the cardio. I'm not going very low carb at all but have been cutting down on bread, will be substituting my morning Weetabix with eggs 2-3 times a week and eating only nuts and fruit for snacks, replacing carbs post-workout with mainly protein + veg etc.... the tried and trusted route really! Seeing progress over the past week or two - leaning out in the lower abs a bit more...0 -
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I'd agree. I don't think it's optimum.....but it has introduced me to exercises that I never would have considered before and I know I'm exercising my entire body (whereas the kind of workouts I'd dream up almost certainly wont, or will overdo a certain area, or whatever). Also, it varies, and for someone like me that's important. The only thing I've ever done over and over and over and not gotten bored with so far in life is Muay Thai.
In what way would you say they have it backwards though?0 -
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I've said this before but my epiphany so to speak was a few years back when I looked at a sprinter, I think it was Tyson Gaye, and thought "Jesus imagine fighting him?" For a more bantam (you're bantam right?) example, imagine having Peter Stringer's stats in the gym and being able to carry that to an opponent.
Sounds delightful. What you're saying sounds very logical but fighting fitness (i.e. the "gas tank") is not something I can neglect for anything more than a few days without seeing it wither away (I'm not saying you'd advocate that, but as I said, part of the reason I use crossfit is that I'm not skilled enough to come up with my own program). In the gas tank department crossfit works pretty well for me (though I agree that it's probably not optimal) because its focus is primarily anaerobic.
I fight at 60KG, so around lightweight.
I'm hoping to fight again in 6 weeks. My current plan is this:
Monday: Crossfit
Tuesday: Muay Thai pads at lunch, full Muay Thai session in the evening
Wednesday: Crossfit + some pads at lunch
Thursday: Crossfit at lunch, Muay Thai in the evening
Friday: Rest day
Saturday: Muay Thai
Sunday: Crossfit (probably)
Repeat x 4, probably increase Muay Thai (at the expense of crossfit, or along side it depending on how I feel) in the last two weeks before fight.
I'd be interested in your thoughts.0 -
Okay I think I understand what you're getting at. You reckon if you drop the Crossfit in favour of strength work you'll lose the capacity to do Muay Thai somewhat? That's a pretty common fear for people but it's not really justified.punchypunchy wrote: »Sounds delightful. What you're saying sounds very logical but fighting fitness (i.e. the "gas tank") is not something I can neglect for anything more than a few days without seeing it wither away (I'm not saying you'd advocate that, but as I said, part of the reason I use crossfit is that I'm not skilled enough to come up with my own program). In the gas tank department crossfit works pretty well for me (though I agree that it's probably not optimal) because its focus is primarily anaerobic.
In plain English, strength should be your platform. Let me try to put it this way, although invariably something gets lost in translation to plain English. Let's say I can kick at level 10 right now. (Now there's obviously lots of room for technical improvement on anyone's kick but let's just assume that's being done in MT and we're only talking about your fitness sessions.) What you're basically looking for out of your strength training is having the strength and power to kick at level 20 on my makey uppy power scale. I think most training just trains you to do level 10 over and over and over for a long time. That's fine and dandy I suppose... if you like being weak...
I would much prefer to have a massive strength and power base of makey uppy level 20, and decline from there, rather than be mono paced and mono powered. Everyone tires in the ring, but I'd sooner be the guy who got tired from a massive strength base and did all my damage and really got my opponent fvcked in the first couple of rounds than be the guy who can just keep going at the same pace- he'll still tire and he's declining from a poor level. Take the common aerobic/anaerobic model and do it in mirror writing. Make yourself strong and then gain the ability to repeat that strength over and over.
I was going to use a crappy analogy but I decided to try to explain that way. The analogy I had was that I would sooner be a Ferrari with a 20 litre tank than a Trabant with a 100litre tank. The misconception is that you can't be both but that's not true either.0 -
Sorry, haven't had any time to reply. Thanks for your reply.Okay I think I understand what you're getting at. You reckon if you drop the Crossfit in favour of strength work you'll lose the capacity to do Muay Thai somewhat? That's a pretty common fear for people but it's not really justified.
Well....I think crossfit gives a good balance between increasing anaerobic capacity (gas tank) and strength. This week (for example) I've done deadlifts and rowing, and bench pressing and other stuff.In plain English, strength should be your platform. Let me try to put it this way, although invariably something gets lost in translation to plain English. Let's say I can kick at level 10 right now. (Now there's obviously lots of room for technical improvement on anyone's kick but let's just assume that's being done in MT and we're only talking about your fitness sessions.) What you're basically looking for out of your strength training is having the strength and power to kick at level 20 on my makey uppy power scale. I think most training just trains you to do level 10 over and over and over for a long time. That's fine and dandy I suppose... if you like being weak...
Ok, I understand what you're saying.I would much prefer to have a massive strength and power base of makey uppy level 20, and decline from there, rather than be mono paced and mono powered. Everyone tires in the ring, but I'd sooner be the guy who got tired from a massive strength base and did all my damage and really got my opponent fvcked in the first couple of rounds than be the guy who can just keep going at the same pace- he'll still tire and he's declining from a poor level. Take the common aerobic/anaerobic model and do it in mirror writing. Make yourself strong and then gain the ability to repeat that strength over and over.
Ok....I see what you're saying, and I agree to an extent. I believe that strength training will allow me, or anyone, to kick harder than someone who only kicks a bag and I think we both believe that. I still think that kicking the bag over and over and over and over is an important part of building capacity and I wouldn't be prepared (at least not right now) to ditch that kind of training to focus on strength training exclusively for a time. My goal is to build both at the same time and while that *may* end up being slower, I think it is less risky because I'm guaranteed to have the gas tank.
If I knew I wasn't going to fight for 4 months (for example) then I'd seriously consider focusing on strength for the first while alright. As it stands I'm likely to be fighting in 6 weeks ish.0 -
No problem. It's good to see another fighter's journal.punchypunchy wrote: »Sorry, haven't had any time to reply. Thanks for your reply.
It's just not possible to increase your anaerobic capacity and strength in the same session. There will be some minimal crossover between the two but they need to be seperate. It's really about optimisation of the time you have.Well....I think crossfit gives a good balance between increasing anaerobic capacity (gas tank) and strength. This week (for example) I've done deadlifts and rowing, and bench pressing and other stuff.
So not a terrible analogy then?Ok, I understand what you're saying.
You can't build both at the same time. You can only fix one thing at a time. By the way, repetition of technique is really important I'm not arguing that point, but that's about efficiency of movement and technical honing, not strength gains (although there is some minimal crossover there too). I'm talking about your non-Thai time spent running/lifting/swinging etc.Ok....I see what you're saying, and I agree to an extent. I believe that strength training will allow me, or anyone, to kick harder than someone who only kicks a bag and I think we both believe that. I still think that kicking the bag over and over and over and over is an important part of building capacity and I wouldn't be prepared (at least not right now) to ditch that kind of training to focus on strength training exclusively for a time. My goal is to build both at the same time and while that *may* end up being slower, I think it is less risky because I'm guaranteed to have the gas tank.
That's another misconception; that you'd have to lose some capacity to gain strength. It's just not true and a 6 week out period would be an ideal "pre-season".If I knew I wasn't going to fight for 4 months (for example) then I'd seriously consider focusing on strength for the first while alright. As it stands I'm likely to be fighting in 6 weeks ish.
I think the problem is that fighters think they're different from athletics or GAA or rugby, but the reality is that fundamentally, athletes are athletes and although there are some different conditioning requirements, mostly, people are too weak and need to get stronger. I've used this analogy before but take a tough game of rugby and watch a centre over a 20 minute period. He gets through one hell of a lot of work between sprinting, rucking, getting hit, hitting, twisting, turning. I'd say easily as much as a fighter in the same time period. There's a better way.0 -
Sorry Roper. Didn't mean to be rude. Life interrupted and I haven't given this journal much thought over the last few weeks. Since you're busy yourself I doubt you'll get to read this.
Anyway, decided today that I should get my finger out. I'll be making some changes to what I log too. I was hoping to have a fight in early July, but that's looking increasingly unlikely - to the point that I will probably kick back a bit if I haven't heard anything by this weekend. By "kick back" I mean spend more evenings with my family instead of at the gym hitting pads. I'll still keep exercising.
Sunday:
Running. Around 5K ish.
Monday:
3 sets of:
20 pull ups (no pull up bar, so used the pull down machine)
30 push ups
40 sit ups
50 squats
Tuesday:
2 classes of Muay Thai (lunch and evening)
Wednesday:
Got 9 hours kip. Felt legend.
Crossfit:
1-1-1-1-1-1-1 thrusters
I did (all KG):
40
45
50
52.5
55
57.5 (fail)
57.5
Thursday:
Legs are sore enough today. Feel tired generally. Got 7.5 hours (broken by the little one) sleep last night.
Lunchtime: Footie
Evening: Muay Thai0 -
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I had been waiting for ages to watch that, grew impatient (not knowing RTE were about to show it) and bought the DVD a few weeks back. Doh! Thanks for the link though. Appreciate it.
Interesting documentary. I thought it took balls for him to do what he did. I've been to Thailand twice now and have a real soft spot for the place / people (tried to get my wife to move there for a year!) so for me it was largely a nostalgic view. The fights weren't great. The first one in particular....his opponent looked pretty unfit and the main guy would have passed out if it had gone past the 2nd round.How does it actually compare with regular boxing? I'm thinking of those massive kicks they throw to the side of the abdomen, don't know how you withstand those!?
I've never done regular boxing, though I've watched my share of it. I think Thai is a bit more of a war of attrition. Also, there are a LOT of ways to get knocked out so you never get a run of 30 unbeaten fights like in pro boxing. The very best you can hope for as a pro Thai fighter is around an 80% win record. Someone's going to land an elbow that stops you, or a knee to the head, or a kick that you didn't see coming, or a leg shot that buckles you, or whatever.
As for taking the kicks in the side....I will never forget the first well placed liver shot I took. Instantly dropped me to the floor. Very strange pain that. As you build up your amateur experience and move towards pro fighting you start conditioning work though. One thing I do (for example) is get my youngfella and / or wife to put on my 10oz gloves and just hammer on my upper body. He loves it. 0 -
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