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The SFIV count down thread!
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Yes but I'm holding out for the PC version.Dreddybajs wrote: »Forward, down, down-forward is an SRK actually.
lol you seem to always misunderstand me, thats what I said an srk was
I've been entering srks for over 10 years. & I never said anything about the new shortcut system messing up standard srks.
Anyway, in case people are confused I'll try with images=
Srk motion =
(or kick if your someone like cammy, or if your doing bisons teleport etc etc)
The new troublesome shortcut =
Dreddybajs wrote: »Never had any problems with other moves coming out for Bison instead of the ultra
Well the only move that should come out instead would be his teleport (the one where he teleports on the spot) otherwise the motions being done completely wrong. Its an issue effecting a lot of people if not most, even more so when doing a stream of moves before entering the utlra, in any other sf it'd work but in this it wont as the shortcut is read 1st. I would assume its more of an issue with d-pad users however it seems arcade stick users find it annoying too. I see it happen to really high skilled players all the time. Entering in a command that worked fine that way for years now they have to be more careful when entering it cause of a mechanic thats meant to make the game easier for noobs? Retarded.
The only use for the shortcut I've seen would be say, as a anti cross over tool. Other than that its really only handy if your a bad flowchart ken player, and those players will curse the shortcut once they get better at the game lol.Dreddybajs wrote: »the leniency in the system is very useful for other characters (eg. Blanka's KKK hop into ultra).
I don't play blanka so I dunno, but by leniency are you saying the 'srk motion shortcut' itself directly helps with this? Or did you mean something else?0 -
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Cunny-Funt wrote: »lol you seem to always misunderstand me, thats what I said an srk was I've been entering srks for over 10 years. & I never said anything about the new shortcut system messing up standard srks.
Anyway, in case people are confused I'll try with images=
He isn't the only one!
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Yes but I'm holding out for the PC version.He isn't the only one!
Eh Oh!
jesus noodler, don't tell me your still not over that. There is a bit of a difference between a misunderstanding when talking about inputs on a d-pad, to thinking someone had no idea what a particular game is about and what genre it is when in the very same post he says he played the feckin demo...
You'll spot it happen to others however, watch their ultra meter and if you see them random teleport into the same spot, usually means there going for ultra lol.Dreddybajs wrote: »And yeah I don't play Bison a whole bunch so it's likely I just haven't been caught by that yet.
Never heard of this before but once again, does this require the short cut to pull off? (asking just cause I really can't see anything positive about the shortcut and think it seriously should be removed from the game)Dreddybajs wrote: »as it allows stuff like the EX armor glitches to happen (kara-cancelling an EX move with armor into another one, into ultra).Dreddybajs wrote: »In previous games what would happen if you fudged Bison's ultra input a little? Would scissor kick have come out instead?
No the ultra would come out. I'll explain further, but I'm not arsed using pics right now so bare with me.
Bisons ultra motion is this : Down back (DB) (charge) forward-back-forward ->kkk
however a lot of people enter in those commands like this:
DB(charge)-down-DF-F-DF-D-DB-D-DF-F ->KKK (in other words rolling their thumb along the bottom part of the d-pad instead of a clean forward back forward, which would be more realistic to do with a stick)
The problem is that a lot of the time, instead of ending the motion on a clean forward and hitting kkk, kkk would be hit when the motion ends on DF instead. This normally wouldnt be an issue, but now due to the short cut, the game reads the two DF's and see's it as an SRK.
You'll find that even with an SRK motion, on a d-pad it'd normally be DF+P thats picked up, instead of a clean forward. So the ultra will wiff for shoto characters due to KKK or PPP being hit that millisecond too early.
in other words:
would result in an ex dragon punch for ryu, instead of a ultra fireball.
To avoid the ex SRK coming out, you have to make sure to do it like this:
which isnt always easy on a d-pad in the middle of a heated battle considering A it worked fine for years that way and B you were always trying to end it on a forward anyway. Dpads tend to still register the diagonals when your rolling your thumb to forward anyway, if your doing it fast that is.0 -
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Yes but I'm holding out for the PC version.
In Super Turbo Bison did not have a teleleport but likely hood of fudging his Knee Press Nightmare would of been a standard siccors kick or just a regular kick.
Not in the example we're talking about here though, in ST if you pressed K when you were on DF the super would still come out. Cause normally as long as any version of forward is pressed, the game accepted it. Thats why up forward works. Its still like this in SFIV its just now theres another move 'in the way' that it'll pick up 1st
Dreddybajs wrote: »What I'm saying is that the "shortcut" isn't specifically built into the game separately, it's just a byproduct of the lenient input system. If you have any information showing that it is a deliberate shortcut, do post - and I do agree it would be better were that particular part of the system patched somehow.
I'm actually pretty positive the shortcut is a different thing. I dunno your background in SF.(ST player only or 3rd strike too etc) But in terms of the 'lenient' input system this is more to do with timing for special moves and cancels and stuff, or rather the amount of frames the window of opportunity for these things are. For example, 3rd Strike was much more forgiving in these terms compared to ST. I could do for example, low medium kick into hard dragon punch all day with ken in third strike. But in ST and HDR , I enter it the very same way, and found it much harder to pull off (which is understandable as landing that in ST/HDR hit for a ton of damage) SFIV's leniency is around the same as 3s or maybe more in the middle of the two.
However, 3s was far more forgiving for the timing on links compared to SFIV, where linking is much harder on the timing.
As far as I understand it, the shortcut actually IS a totally separate thing. Its in those terms its always discussed as in threads on SRK which is where I get most of my info. Am I 100% sure though? No.Ok quick question:
Is HP the same as PPP?
I mean if I mapped both HP and HK to PPP and KKK would they be the same? When you tap PPP what punch is it using?
From my experience , when you hit ppp or kkk, the game tries to do whatever normal move is the best. So this would typically mean hard punch or hard kick would come out. However, if a character has a particular special 'normal' in other words forward and a button, it would do that instead.
For example, you play akuma, so if your standing and press ppp, he'll do a HP. But if you press forward and PPP he'll do his medium punch 2 hit overhead chop.
If your ken and press forward and KKK he'll do his HK over head, and if your press back and KKK he'll do his MK overhead. *which used to be a 2 hit move in 3s I miss the 2 hits.
**edit** oh and yes I agree with what Dreddybajs said there. I actually experimented with what your talking about cause I hate using my left hand for pressing the move and the combo for it. But its not a good idea as Dreddybajs pointed out. I just look forward to the PC version so I can map the right stick to 'up' = PPP and 'down' = kkk so I can use my right hand instead.0 -
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Yes but I'm holding out for the PC version.Yes indeed, ST is still the much harder game. Out of all the SF's that I know of anyway. But picture it if it was as easy as SFIV and 3s? With the health bars as they were, matchs would be over waaaaay too fast LOL .
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Palyed a good few games of super turbo with azza. Was having a tough time pulling off specials on my fight pad but put it down to the more strict timing in Super turbo. Then had the bright idea of getting off the laptop and playing with my sidewinder on the PC. Well the difference was dramatic. I was back to my old self pulling off specials and whiffing none of them. I've come to the conclusion that the fightpad isn't all that great at all.
I still got my ass kicked by his bison, and well every other character he chose.
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You mean this beauty?
The very one, aboslutely phenomenal pad, as good as the saturn pad. I love how MS brought out versions of it afterwards that were totally changed and utterly crap. They had less buttons or a crappy d-pad. So for the final version they decided to make the best gamepad they could. The made an exact replica of the first sidewinder except it was usb instead of gameport
It's so good. The d-pad is really tight, stiff and accurate and the centre of the d-pad is recessed so your thumb fits into it so it requires very little movement. Even 270 movements like Zangiefs SPD are easy to pull off. I was wondering why I was so crap at specials until I went back to the sidewinder.
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Hell yes, getting it for the PS3I certainly don't wanna play this kid in a ranked match.
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