Anyone interested in putting together a 'political party'???

industrialhorse

YO!

only really new to boards.ie although i was a member some years back.

just gotta say that this country has really gone to the dogs since then and this half-baked right-wing government saw it coming but never really got off their arses to do anything about it.

i firmly believe that its down to the most original and intelligent people to save this land and its decent people from mediocrity and by that i mean only people who are tuned into the alternative side of life that can make a real change.

calling together any system analysts, web designers/developers, programmers, musicians and allsorts to bring their views into the mix and see what we can come up with?? whos interested???

neo-nazis need not apply:D

turgon

Its so Irish to think that one can have a one-size fits all party.

And of late its so boards.ie to try and create one.

But anyway, some constructive comments maybe. Well it would have to be different from current parties, so liberal on social issues such as abortion and stuff like stem cell research.

Iwasfrozen

I would be interested in joining/helping out, but what is the name/leanings/ideology of the party ?

seanybiker

ill join but only if we call it seanies party

Iwasfrozen

I'm out.*



*Reasons above.

nyarlothothep

Anarchism! Though we'd have to call it something else so as not to scare people. I agree with you, we tech heads/musicians/intellectuals are truly the bless'd people.

AngryHippie

call me when its fully baked

Daroxtar

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I agree with you, we tech heads/musicians/intellectuals are truly the bless'd people.

But of course o learned one. A poor carpenter like me can only build your ivory towers and castles in the air:P

Iwasfrozen

pffft, who needs Ivory Towers. :pac:

PurpleFistMixer

On the small offchance that the OP is not joking, I'd suggest you research into what existing parties there are in Ireland atm... there are far more than just FF/FG. ; p

getonyourboots

The first thing any new party should concentrate on is radical reform of the justice system. Currently there is effectively no justice for many many victims of varies crimes. The scumbags are laughing at all of us.

AngryHippie

Yeah, a new political party really needs the trouble of taking on the Law society and high court. tbh I think any political organization that can get health and education right will find itself in a position to accomplish the rest of any manifesto, But I'm not sure the web of the HSE can be unravelled into a workable system, without billions that just don't exist anymore.... And its tricky enough just to keep schools open without the nightmare of restructuring the system to benefit those left behind, considering the raft of social problems that affect any individual childs education. Where would you start ???

turgon

AngryHippie wrote: »

Where would you start ???

Money first, I hear this bank called Anglo Irish are very amenable towards lending lots of money to individuals...

Agent Smith

industrialhorse wrote: »

YO!

only really new to boards.ie although i was a member some years back.

just gotta say that this country has really gone to the dogs since then and this half-baked right-wing government saw it coming but never really got off their arses to do anything about it.

i firmly believe that its down to the most original and intelligent people to save this land and its decent people from mediocrity and by that i mean only people who are tuned into the alternative side of life that can make a real change.

calling together any system analysts, web designers/developers, programmers, musicians and allsorts to bring their views into the mix and see what we can come up with?? whos interested???

neo-nazis need not apply:D

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Now STFO

AngryHippie

Cheers for that smithy, that was nearly all news to me:)

wylo

This must be about the 10th 'lets start a new party' thread, will someone give me a pm when its up and running, im sick of checking back on all the different new parties.

Agent Smith

AngryHippie wrote: »

Cheers for that smithy, that was nearly all news to me:)

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back to the case in hand. No, people wont join your political party. Saying your pissed off with it all and saying your starting your own party, is like saying "its my ball, i'm going home" and then going over to the other side of the park to play. Its neither Big nor clever. and I honnestly thing 99.99999% of people have this idea when booze is involved.

turgon

Agent Smith wrote: »

This, and More other interesting things, including porn, can be found on our good friend Google!

Fixed that, in fairness the technicalities of starting a party aren't what I would describe as exiting.

joe freethinker

turgon wrote: »

Its so Irish to think that one can have a one-size fits all party.

And of late its so boards.ie to try and create one.

But anyway, some constructive comments maybe. Well it would have to be different from current parties, so liberal on social issues such as abortion and stuff like stem cell research.

i'm very interested in a new liberal party
a new political energy in ireland
FOR THE SAKE OF THE NATION DRAW UP SOME SORT OF MANIFESTO!!!

brianthebard

our policy and manifesto

Permabear

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pwd

how about a party that advocates the use of internet forums for all government debate, instead of in-person meetings. It would have many advantages I think

joe freethinker

I mentioned manifesto and i got a marxist and a libertarian
marx: no way 4 me
libertarian:interesting but still believe in public health and education aswell as social welfare by the state.The poor already have an uphill battle private charity always falls short
libertarianism is good for me as I believe in personal freedom and equality and government regulation on businness can cause burocracy and hinder human creativity but some government control is nessary just look at the state of the banks

smallBiscuit

I've been thinking about this lately, in the sense, I'm not happy with what we have, so what do I want?
So, here's a manifesto for ya,

Am i mad or just dreaming?

Corporations
All limited corporations to be loosely regulated by the government to ensure they are fully compliant with the below stuff

Environment
I think (know) that what we as a species are doing to the environment is having a major effect. We need to do a lot more recycling, greener energy sources, greener transport (painting your car green does not count!), public education

Education
"The children of today are the leaders of tomorrow", that's not just a saying it's a fact! Massive increases in funding to schools and University's, school/teacher quality to be improved (not saying it's currently bad), but maybe -yearly examinations?.

Medical
Everyone has the right to good health care, for hundred's of years humanity has been improving on the abilities of health care, should we now after all that say "sorry, it's nice but you can't afford it"? Keep the private health care companies, but the only difference to be private rooms and better quality food. Also lots of research work into cures for various diseases (perhaps tie this into the University's, but if we funded the work, we own it, not the brains in the University's

Law
The courts and jails are massively overcrowded, the number of re-offenders are far to high. Rehabilitation and or re-education for the first offence, same for a second followed by a looong prison sentence (like the us 3 strike rule) but this tempered by intelligence, for Minor crimes perhaps not the long sentence.
Also, much 'harder' prisons, small cells in which prisoners stay for most of the time (Single person cells) followed by long re-integration and close monitoring

Party donations
All party donations to be anonymous, not a company saying "we want the this law passed or delayed, here's a few million for the party"

Transparency
No secret decisions, or private meetings, we work for the public, therefore they have the right to know everything we are doing at every point

Accountability
This is a personal bug bear of mine, If I say we are going to build a a public transport system, and we are going to do it this way. If this way doesn't work out, I can be called to a tribunal to account for my decision, even if I'm no longer in the government. If I'm suspected of being on the fiddle in some way, their is a jail cell waiting for me

Taxation
Obviously all these idea's take lots of money to implement, so increased taxation, and make it fair for everyone, they more you earn the more you pay, as in millionaire's pay a lot of money (50/60% taxation) - the country's going well for you, so you should pay it back. While almost no tax for the low earners, they are having it hard enough to get by as it is. No tax breaks above a certain wage level and anyone caught on the fiddle will have to pay back double or triple
Government pay to be set to be equal to the average middle class wage, no more and limited staffing and expenses.

af_thefragile

Ireland, this whole world needs more Libertarian parties.
Form one and i'll support you. As long as ye all don't end up becoming power hungry politicians!!!

Okay, i'll give more details:

Civil Liberties:
Basically the party should support rights,freedom and liberty to the people.
Everyone is an individual and thus have equal rights. No "us" and "them" crap. No classes. No cctvs, no infringement of privacy. More patrolling cops instead of cctvs but they only stop and check if the subject is taking part in any illegal activity. No random checking and all. No ID card bull **** either.

Economic:
Government get involved very little with businesses. Basically a big NO to any sort of government bail outs of failed businesses. If they fail, well, too bad for them!! Also need to give them the opportunity to learn from their mistakes!
But the government encourages entrepreneurship and free markets creating more jobs and development of infrastructure. Strictly enforce the minimum wage. Put a cap on the profits of the businesses to a certain limit so that they don't exploit (controversial but this might just as well be the key!!). Enforce strict environmental protection laws. Businesses need to be transparent.

Employment, social support and health care:
No to the dole (well not for the useless young people deciding its too much effort for them to work!). Get the feckers off their lazy asses and get them working!!
All up for social support for the needy and free quality health care for all (but make sure people don't exploit). Its unjust that the cost of a person's life should be proportional to the size of the person's bank account! Everyone's life should be treated equally valuable (might be exceptions here in extreme cases).


Taxation:
Big one.
Reduce income tax. Yup, and the people love this one! 35-40% is ridiculous! People work hard to earn their money just for the government to come and claim a significant portion of it is just unjust! The government needs to increase its revenue to make up for its expenses. Reduce spending/expenses!
Low taxes + Reduced spending +Increased revenue = Better State!!


Banking/Financial:
No private/quasi-private central reserve banks. Also not a big supporter of the fiat standard of monetary system. Government has the power of the states finances with money having proper value which they can't just produce out of thin air creating debts and inflation. But guess we can't do much here as we're under the EU.
But complete transparency here with how the government manages its money. People need to know and see where and how their government is spending their money.
Everyone has a right to quality housing. Community housing should be upto high standards. People should be able to do whatever they want with their houses or property. However they wanna design it and stuff. They shouldn't need to take the government's permission to do anything with their land and property! They bought it, they have full rights to it!

Education:
This is the key!
Everyone has a right, no wait, a duty to education!
I also think the education system needs a reform. Its not creative enough. The kids aren't learning enough. Schools aren't fun enough. The teachers aren't paid enough! Also the teachers aren't good enough. First and foremost we need quality teachers who have the skills to teach in an interesting manner which can be fun. So the teachers need to get educated first. Then the schools need to be better equipped. I think privatization of schools is not a bad idea at all. Though i don't say there shouldn't be state run schools. Then the standards need to be raised. Finally schools need to make sure the students move on to universities. No drop outs! Everyone has a duty to attain a university degree in some field and work as a professional! Only then will there be enough educated people in the country working towards proper progress for the benefit of all. Universities need to be better equipped to be able to deal and lead on the latest in scientific, economic, art and architectural knowledge and progress.

Transport/Infrastructure:
This is where the government needs to do major spending. We need proper engineering firms with properly educated people working in it (see the Education bit). Ireland should be on par with countries like Germany, UAE and Japan in terms of infrastructure and engineering. Its a long way to go but we need to start somewhere! Ireland needs more industries in the secondary (manufacturing) sector working on 21st century cutting edge technology (hence why education is the key!). This will create industry, jobs, infrastructure, tourism and revenue.
Privatization is probably a good thing here in most cases.
Also the only way to deal with Dublin's increasing population is to go up! Ireland needs bigger and taller residential and commercial building. This is an area we really have to catch up on!
Oh and better, newer, greener public services. Need to look into new technologies like mag rail and such to create more efficient and greener transportation services that don't need to cost a fortune!!

Energy/Environment:
Go green! Develop a renewable energy infrastructure. Ireland has a great resource of wind, rivers and sea that it can tap clean renewable energy from. Reduce spending, increase efficiency, create renewable energy sources. Also need to look into proper management of waste. There is surprisingly a lot of energy that can be tapped out of domestic trash too!

What else,
No wars. I don't think the separation of church and the state would be a great idea. The judicial system needs to get more efficient and use more logical common sense.
People need to be educated about their rights, freedom, duties and moral obligations. People need to become more responsible for their actions. Government isn't gonna pay for or fix mistakes people make. They bought it upon themselves, they need to learn from it.


I don't really ask for much you see...

dizzywizlw

industrialhorse wrote: »

YO!

only really new to boards.ie although i was a member some years back.

just gotta say that this country has really gone to the dogs since then and this half-baked right-wing government saw it coming but never really got off their arses to do anything about it.

i firmly believe that its down to the most original and intelligent people to save this land and its decent people from mediocrity and by that i mean only people who are tuned into the alternative side of life that can make a real change.

calling together any system analysts, web designers/developers, programmers, musicians and allsorts to bring their views into the mix and see what we can come up with?? whos interested???

neo-nazis need not apply:D

Are we Federalists with regard to the European Union?

O'Coonassa

af_thefragile wrote: »

I don't think the separation of church and the state would be a great idea.

lol I was cheering for you and I'd thanked you and then I saw this ^

I don't know what went wrong with you lol

KeyLimePie

the first manifesto is very liberal and the second is conservative..

af_thefragile

O'Coonassa wrote: »

lol I was cheering for you and I'd thanked you and then I saw this ^

I don't know what went wrong with you lol

Well, i have my reasons.
I believe religion is a good thing and the government should support religious ideas and thoughts.
Think about it, its mostly because Ireland is a strongly catholic country we've got anti-abortion laws and stuff like that. If there weren't black and white laws of religion, people would keep debating about matters forever and everything would end up falling in the grey area and many people could get away with doing many wrong things by manipulating the meaning of what can be defined "wrong" or "immoral".

I don't say the government should shove its religion down people's throat. It should just support religious establishments and well, i believe in freedom of religion (goes with the libertarian ideologies) and everyone can practice whatever religion they want to.

But i believe religion should stay away from schools. It should be the parents job to teach their kids about things like religion and sex education and all. The schools shouldn't interfere with such matters. Also the government shouldn't interfere with such matters.

And i don't wanna get into the is religion good or bad debate.

turgon

af_thefragile wrote: »

It should be the parents job to teach their kids about things like ... sex education and all.

Because that has worked so well up to now.

Parents dont want to teach there kids that. Instead most just blanket ban it and you end up with people not having a clue what theyre doing.

"Dy-mystifying" sex, as donegalfella put it, is too important to be left with parents.

For examply my parent catholic so chastity etc. Thats all Im thought, and the topic of sex isnt even discussed. I dont do chastity, but instead of being educated Im left with this void and having to figure things out myself. not good.

af_thefragile

turgon wrote: »

Because that has worked so well up to now.

Parents dont want to teach there kids that. Instead most just blanket ban it and you end up with people not having a clue what theyre doing.

"Dy-mystifying" sex, as donegalfella put it, is too important to be left with parents.

For examply my parent catholic so chastity etc. Thats all Im thought, and the topic of sex isnt even discussed. I dont do chastity, but instead of being educated Im left with this void and having to figure things out myself. not good.

I think it has worked pretty well all along. All throughout time the only way people learnt about sex was through their parents or discovering it on their own.

When it is taught in school you don't know who your kids are learning about such matters from and what they're being taught about it. Also many parents believe in different ideologies and principles from one "standardised state ideology of principles and morals".

It should be the parents duties to make sure what their kids are upto and letting them know about the dangers of unprotected sex out there. People need to take responsibility of their kids and themselves. That is main point of my whole manifesto. People need to stop depending on the state to do everything for them while they remain lazy.

Then finally what really is there to be taught about sex? Most people end up discovering it themselves and thats kinda an integral part of growing up. When you start teaching 12 yr old kids about STDs and safe sex practices, it'll only end up with them wanting to try it out. Its only gonna speed up their physical maturity processes before their mental maturity process which only ends up making things worse. More teen pregnancies and more STDs. You can't make things any better though communism! (Atleast not right now, humanity hasn't reached that level of maturity yet. It's still recovering from the animal it was).

If you don't believe with me, i respect your opinion.