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Do you consider yourselves Brainwashed?
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book smarts wrote: »Do you consider yourselves brainwashed?
Do you honestly think anyone is going to say "yes actually you're right, I am"?
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Buuut if you don’t believe in Islam, surely you don’t believe in the eternal fires of hell either? The vast majority of religions don’t paint a rosy picture of what will happen to unbelievers. The moral of there being no compulsion in religion is that it is unislamic to force someone to be a Muslim, as only they alone can submit their will to Allah and if it is not their choice, their faith won’t be sincere.ChocolateSauce wrote: »Except that if you don't join, you will be cast into hell and tortured for all eternity.
Wow, I’d hate to have you on a jury…book smarts wrote: »False until proven true.
So if a book about gravity or evolution wasn’t written, they wouldn’t have existed either? The whole reason the Qur’an was given the Muhammad was to enlighten people- God doesn’t expect for us to be telepathic and simple ‘know’ something before we’ve even heard of it. My point is that since I was the person to initiate the research of Islam, that completely overturns your belief that people need to be ‘brainwashed’ into it from relatives or from birth. One doesn’t need Islamic beliefs to be forced on them to appreciate their worth.book smarts wrote: »You researched it by yourself? So if Islam had never existed and no book had ever been written, you would have come up with it all by yourself? Don't be ridiculous.
In fairness, that’s a fairly stupid thing today. You could apply that to anything- you can keep repeating “There is no God” and eventually believe it, but it won’t change anything either. And, for the record, I didn’t use this ‘method’!book smarts wrote: »Don't be ridiculous. It's easy to brainwash oneself. Just repeat something enough times and eventually you'll believe it.
The Qur’an isn’t seen as being ‘some book’ – it’s the word of God that was send through the prophet Muhammad. Of course, don’t take my word for it. There are many reasons to believe that this book couldn’t have possibly been ‘made up.’ It was narrated over 23 years and yet it doesn’t have one single contradiction, it was narrated to an illiterate man who was able to produce of the most beautifully composed pieces of writing to ever been produced- it’s rhythm, it’s poetic nature and its grammar are so advanced that much of Arabic grammar is based on the Qur’an alone. It was also revolutionary in implementing a much more civilised society in one that was plagued by pagan beliefs, female infanticide, murder, stealing, usury, unfair contracts etc. Through the Qur’an, women achieved many rights- the right to property, to inheritance, a greater social standing, and rights for marriage, divorce and child custody. During a time that men were accumulating vast harams of women, the Qur’an became the one (and only) religious scripture which put a limit on the amount of wives a man could have and gave strict regulations on how they should be maintained. There is an abundance of great innovations that the Qur’an achieved.book smarts wrote: »So because IT IS WRITTEN, that makes it true? Why should I take the word of some book? Because you told me to?
This is a practice that is not simply confined to Islam and it is in no way harmful to the person. Orthodox Jews also have a habit of swaying/rocking the body during prayer (both seated & standing) and this custom has been documented since ancient times. In the Zohar (which is one of the main texts of Jewish scripture of the Kabbalah) Rabbi Yossi asks Rabbi Abba: "Why is it that among all nations the Jews alone have the habit of swaying the body when they study the Torah?" Rabbi Abba answers: "It illustrates the excellence of their souls. Proverbs 20:27 refers to them: 'The soul of man is the candle of the Lord ' The light of that candle flickers and wavers in unison with the light of the Torah." While they are swaying their bodies during prayer or recitation they are like the dancing & flickering flame because, "The soul of man is the candle of the Lord."book smarts wrote: »Then why do they do it [rock back and forth during recitation]?
[/FONT][/COLOR]book smarts wrote: »I thought the worldwide muslim caliphate under sharia was a goal of all muslims? (With burkas,honour killings and beheadings for all)
Hoho, I get a feeling this is going to be a long post…! Okay, so obviously, all religions would be happy to have everyone under the one united faith, but in Islam it is acknowledged that if Allah had wanted us all to be Muslim, Allah would have created us all Muslim- yet where is the test in faith there? Allah wants us to come to him of our own free will with sincere faith.
(6:107) Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.
(88:21)And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.
Noooow to burkas- quite simply, they are completely unnecessary. It is a tribal tradition that predates Islam (like female genital mutilation). It was actually used by the very wealthy women who didn’t want the plebeians looking at their faces- and for that reason, I feel it’s not only unnecessary but attention seeking and snobbery. There are no rewards for such actions, no matter what people many say. Women are only required to cover their bodies except for their hands and face. This was devised so that women could go about their daily lives without harassment or anyone looking at them in a lewd way- its purpose is to liberate women.
“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).
“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)
Honour killings are COMPLETELY against the spirit of Islam and it is completely forbidden to take the law into our own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. It is also very wrong to hurt an innocent person. Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it. “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)
The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances]: the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
As for beheading, I’m sure you are referring to the cases in the media where British and American journalists and whatnot are being beheaded- which, one again, is against Islam. Allah in the Qur'an forbade Muslims from killing non-combatants, and allowed them only to fight against combatants. The Qur'an, in numerous verses, illustrated that. For example: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress; for Allah does not love not transgressors (Al-Baqarah 2:190)
Obviously, these civilians were clearly not fighters. Even if, hypothetically, those civilians were serving invading troops are partners in the transgression, these hostages would then be "prisoners of war" (Arabic: asraa). And beheading is not the way that the Qur'an, to quote it again as a reference, dealt with prisoners of war. In fact, they would be well cared for.
And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive of war - [Saying] We feed you for the sake of Allah alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks. We only fear a Day of distressful Wrath from the side of our Lord." So, Allah will deliver them from the evil of that Day, and will shed over them a light of beauty and joy (Al-Insan 76:8-11)
Therefore, it is an Islamic duty to feed the captives of war, treat them well, and to respect their humanity. Once the war is over, it is their duty to either free them or to ransom or exchange them.
“When you [Muslims] have overcome them [the fighters], then make them prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favour or let them be ransomed, until the war terminates.” (Muhammad 47:4)
Think of the best book you’ve ever read (“The God Delusion” no doubt :P) would you have been able to write it yourself? More than likely no. Yet does it stop it from being a brilliant book? Does it make that book any less real? Allah chose not to reveal the Qur’an to me (good call on his part, I must say!) but he did reveal it and I can appreciate it’s greatness.book smarts wrote: »You don't start from the book and work from there, you start with nothing and work up. If you had never seen the book, would you have written it yourself? Of course not.
Subconsciously we all mark certain parts of our lives- birthdays, new year, anniversaries, marriage and- of course- the ones you don’t get a choice in- birth and death! They’re all landmarks in your life- why not have a religious ceremony to mark significant parts of your life too? Yes, atheists live perfectly happy lives- so do Muslims. And Christians. And Hindus. The fact is, religion enriches many peoples’ lives too and the teachings of religions on how to lead a good life significantly benefit them too. The idea is that nobody will ever live long enough to fully, 100% understand why we should do things, their consequences and the best way to live- that is why people look to the words of Allah for guidance because, as our creator, he knows best. Also, there is an ever so SLIIIGHT difference in their eventual treatment in the afterlife, but since you don’t believe there is an afterlife, I’m sure you don’t care to hear about thatbook smarts wrote: »Well thankfully with secular humanism we don't need religion anymore. We certainly don't need it to "mark all aspects of our lives". It's a relic from an age when people didn't have science as we know it. Plenty of atheists live perfectly happy and good lives without any need for it, at all.
Firsly, excess in religion is not allowed in Islam:book smarts wrote: »Most drinkers thoroughly enjoy it with little to no hardship- maybe a hangover the next day. A small minority do too much, but some people do too much of all kinds of things, including religion.
(as narrated by Imams Ahmed, Al-Ne’sa’ee, Ben Maja, Al Ha Kim and Sahih)
I warn you of religious extremism; nations before you have perished because of religious extremism
Qur'an 5:77-80 Surah Al-Ma'idah
O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.
Qur'an 4:171 Surah An-Nisaa
O people of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth.
Secondly, drinking alcohol is always harmful for your body- half of all crimes committed are drink related. It is not simply a hangover that is the hardship- sure just the other week a UCC student who was drunk managed to crush himself with his own car during rag week- and I’m sure he thought he was simply having fun too. If religion is practiced correctly, it can cause a lot of good, but no matter what way you drink, it will always intoxicate you, make you do things you wouldn’t normally do and has because this social crutch in our society that leads to unprotected sex, rape, fights, crime, disease and the like- when it is wholly unnecessary
Are we animals? No? Then why on earth would we not be able to CONTROL (not suppress) our sexual desires? Yes, it is natural, and my point is that when sex is taken beyond the boundaries of marriage is can hurt everyone involved- the illegitimate child, the single mother, the grandparents who often take on the burden of the child, the father who must provide for a child that he may not be sure is his and also that he is not prepared to financially support. Promiscuity can lead to hurt feelings, sexually transmitted diseases- even death. You sure do but a high price on pleasure. Also, in regards to priests, I do not agree with their lifestyles one bit. This kind of cebibate living is not condoned in Islam as it is seen as unnatural and it is believed that marriage is half of a person’s faith and that one must live as a householder.book smarts wrote: »Human beings have natural sexual desires, and to supress them is mentally unhealthy- just look at priests.
(Sahih Muslim - Book 008, Number 3237)
The Messengger of Allah (may peace be upon him) rejected (the idea) of Uthman b. Muz'unliving in celibacy (saying): And if he (the Holy Prophet) had given me permission We would have got ourselves castrated.
Lol, trust me, I’m sure the vast majority of bitter and jealous people out there aren’t so because of a lack of sex! I’m not bitter and jealous (you don’t need to comment of whether you agree with that, thanks!!) nor as I “unhealthy” because I don’t have sex. I think one of the biggest problems in this world is that people don’t make a big enough deal about sex. One only has their virginity once and having sex with someone is creating a bond with them and by doing so there are chemicals in your brain (especially for women) that make you get very attached to this person- it is not simply a quick fix for if you’re feeling up for itbook smarts wrote: »It quite often makes them bitter and jealous, and makes sex into a huge big deal- they are in a perpetual state of teenage frustration. They justify this by calling normal people "sexualised", as if it was the worst thing in the world- when there's nothing wrong with it.
Aha, so you’re a DNA expert too, yes? Three boys (for that’s all they are) have come forth as being the possibly fathers of this 15 year old girl’s baby. That’s horrendous. At least within a marriage there would be some sort of stability and commitment- this situation is a very sorry one. It is against Islam to marry someone against their will:book smarts wrote: »Also that kid couldnt 'be the father- he's only a chipmunk! Even if he is, plenty of societies actually encourage teenage marriage- India for example. And it's quite common for Pakistani muslim men to marry their 13 year old cousin against her will, so don't dare be preaching about that.
"A guardian has no concern with a woman previously married and has no husband, and an orphan girl (i.e. virgin) must be consulted, her silence being her acceptance." [Sunan of Abu Dawud 2095, Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas]
"Her guardian should not make a promise (to somebody to get her married to him) without her knowledge..." [Sahih Al-Bukhari 7.56]
So where exactly is this propaganda that you speak of? Because I’ve never encountered such a ridiculous thing in all my research of Islam.book smarts wrote: »It doesn't have to be forced to be brainwashing- subtle propaganda does the trick.
Oh come on!! That was hardly a ‘respectful boundary’- that was a full out attempt to provoke the Muslim community as depicting Allah or Muhammad is seen as a terribly disrespectful thing to do and was wholly insensitive. It was not there to question something, or prove a point other than the fact that they are ignorant of other people’s beliefs and completely disrespectfulbook smarts wrote: »Respectful boundary- like a cartoon?
Gee whiz, who ISN’T brainwashed then? You? You’re the only one on this earth, right? Because you’ve never been influenced by one thing around you? You could have been born in the jungle and you’d still think the exact same things as you do today? Don’t be so ignorant.book smarts wrote: »I agree that nationalists are brainwashed.
I think the vast majority of his theories are spin offs from The God Delusion under a thin disguise of it being ‘his’ opinion- quite ironic that he would denounce others for taking heed of a book that they felt held all the answers too. The funny thing about people like Dawkins (and I have read that book btw) is that he’s such a snobby elitist who believes it’s his way or the highway and YET in the same breath he goes on about how we should be tolerant and outlines his own ‘ideal’ society and its rules when in fact he’s making people miserable by bashing their beliefs and not even thinking of how religion can be a great motivator in many peoples’ lives to live better and treat people well.That whole teapot analogy was stolen right out of The God Delusion right?0 -
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ChocolateSauce wrote: »So you must voluntarily and sincerely submit to Islam (or many other religions, just to be fair), or else you will be tortured for all eternity?
The point is that if you don't believe in Islam, you don't believe you'll be tortured for all eternity either. So I guess you have nothing to worry about then
I find it so funny how BookSmarts decided to make a statement of "You are brainwashed" into a (ridiculous) question to bypass 'offending' anyone... and failed. Pretty strange way of going about it. Of course, I wouldn't have noticed that, what with my weak brainwashed mind and all0 -
Wow, I’d hate to have you on a jury…
Would that be a sharia jury? Oh wait, they don’t have them, just the whim of some old man, with his absurd logic.So if a book about gravity or evolution wasn’t written, they wouldn’t have existed either?
Science is independently testable with experiments. Religion is the UNPROVABLE, UNTESTABLE word of some authority.My point is that since I was the person to initiate the research of Islam, that completely overturns your belief that people need to be ‘brainwashed’ into it from relatives or from birth. One doesn’t need Islamic beliefs to be forced on them to appreciate their worth.
That completely overturns nothing. You merely completed the brainwashing yourself. It was initiated by your family or imam or whoever showed you the book in the first place. If some cult approached you in the street and gave you literature, it’s the same thing.In fairness, that’s a fairly stupid thing today. You could apply that to anything- you can keep repeating “There is no God” and eventually believe it, but it won’t change anything either. And, for the record, I didn’t use this ‘method’!
Why does the default belief have to be- "there is a god?" why not- “there is is no god until proven.” The universe has order, we’re trying to understand it- why not just leave it at that? There's no need to project human qualities onto nature- a “creator” etc.The Qur’an isn’t seen as being ‘some book’ – it’s the word of God that was send through the prophet Muhammad..
It was written by someone as ideas came into their head- it does not mean they came from a divine source. Why, because he said do?This is a practice that is not simply confined to Islam and it is in no way harmful to the person….
So kids reciting unprovable dogma for hours on end isn’t harmful? How would you feel if your kids were in some cult doing the same?This was devised so that women could go about their daily lives without harassment or anyone looking at them in a lewd way- its purpose is to liberate women.
It “liberates” women? What? Would YOU like to cover up? Would that “liberate” you? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. It oppresses women. Ask any woman in the West and they’d agree.Honour killings are COMPLETELY against the spirit of Islam
According to some interpretations, honour killings are perfectly acceptable. Islam condones stoning for adultery, killing and slavery of infidels, and jihad. Throughout history, muslims have enslaved millions of Africans and slaughtered millions of Europeans, all in accordance with the quran. Killing is supported by many parts of the book.Think of the best book you’ve ever read (“The God Delusion” no doubt :P) would you have been able to write it yourself? More than likely no.
That book contains common sense that atheists figured out themselves long ago. So more than likely, yes, I could write it, or something like it, if I had to.Yet does it stop it from being a brilliant book? Does it make that book any less real? Allah chose not to reveal the Qur’an to me (good call on his part, I must say!) but he did reveal it and I can appreciate it’s greatness.
Well, my God, let’s call him Teapot, has just this minute revealed to me his book. Let’s call it the Book of Teapots. You should believe and follow it! Why? Because I said so!!! If you independently “research” this book you will verify it to be true.why not have a religious ceremony to mark significant parts of your life too?
Because we don’t need to.Yes, atheists live perfectly happy lives-
So you see- you don’t need religion.that is why people look to the words of Allah for guidance because, as our creator, he knows best.
First of all, he doesn’t exist. Second, who are you, or this non-existent entity, to say what’s best for anyone?Also, there is an ever so SLIIIGHT difference in their eventual treatment in the afterlife, but since you don’t believe there is an afterlife, I’m sure you don’t care to hear about that
There is no proof of an afterlife. Absolutely none. There was nothing before, why should there be anything after? You are an organism. You live, you die. That’s it. There is no happy ending. Just accept it. Like all the countless trillions of organisms since life began.Secondly, drinking alcohol is always harmful for your body- half of all crimes committed are drink related…..
Most people drink without those bad things happening. You’re again taking the actions of a few and condemning all drinking because of it.Are we animals? No? Then why on earth would we not be able to CONTROL (not suppress) our sexual desires? Yes, it is natural, and my point is that when sex is taken beyond the boundaries of marriage is can hurt everyone involved- the illegitimate child, the single mother, the grandparents who often take on the burden of the child, the father who must provide for a child that he may not be sure is his and also that he is not prepared to financially support. Promiscuity can lead to hurt feelings, sexually transmitted diseases- even death. You sure do but a high price on pleasure. Also, in regards to priests, I do not agree with their lifestyles one bit. This kind of cebibate living is not condoned in Islam as it is seen as unnatural and it is believed that marriage is half of a person’s faith and that one must live as a householder.
Controlling desire is suppression. When you see a girl you like, you may not act on your desires, but you still have them. You can’t help it. But if you don’t score sooner or later, it can fukc with your head.
Sex outside marriage is harmless and all those bad thing you mention don’t happen to the majority of people. There are plenty of married people who are unhappy and have no stability. Or they live in fear of their cruel husband who beats them like cattle and wont let them out of the house.
And lol @ promiscuity leading to hurt feelings!! That’s a good one. There is no price. You’re imagining it.
All those unmarried young muslim men (and women) must be living unnaturally then! Sexual repression is one of the reasons why so many muslims are so angry, I think. They think the “decadent” west are “sex crazed animals”, lol. You should hear the lies that are routinely spewed about westerners’ sex habits on Saudi TV!! Considering some of their women have sex with the burka on! Does that sound natural to you?Lol, trust me, I’m sure the vast majority of bitter and jealous people out there aren’t so because of a lack of sex! I’m not bitter and jealous (you don’t need to comment of whether you agree with that, thanks!!) nor as I “unhealthy” because I don’t have sex.
So you’re an unmarried young man? Maybe if you got laid you wouldn’t see sex as such a big deal..It is against Islam to marry someone against their will:
Yet muslims do it all over the middle east and in their communities in the west.So where exactly is this propaganda that you speak of? Because I’ve never encountered such a ridiculous thing in all my research of Islam.
Propaganda is everywhere. Every book, picture and ad, that tries to change your belief.Oh come on!! That was hardly a ‘respectful boundary’- that was a full out attempt to provoke the Muslim community as depicting Allah or Muhammad is seen as a terribly disrespectful thing to do and was wholly insensitive. It was not there to question something, or prove a point other than the fact that they are ignorant of other people’s beliefs and completely disrespectful
So muslims get offended at the drop of a hat, yet they can say what they like about other religions? They responded with their own derogatory cartoons about christianity and Judaism. They rioted, caused millions in damages and killed several people. Did the christians do something similar? No. Islam routinely spews hate and lies against jews and the west.Gee whiz, who ISN’T brainwashed then? You? You’re the only one on this earth, right? Because you’ve never been influenced by one thing around you? You could have been born in the jungle and you’d still think the exact same things as you do today? Don’t be so ignorant.
Everyones brainwashed in some way. I said that alreadyThe funny thing about people like Dawkins (and I have read that book btw) is that he’s such a snobby elitist who believes it’s his way or the highway ...
Dawkins is absolutely right. Some people just don’t want to admit it, especially if they’ve spent their whole lives being wrong.
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I have almost completed my degree in Psychology, thesis next year and this is exactly the topic that I'd love to tackle- please PM your email, if you think that you could contrabute.
Basically, I became Muslim at 24, I'm almost 35 now, I have been studying Psychology and Philosophy for the past 5 years. I have a logical mind and I needed to tie up loose ends. Basically the human begins life as a tabula rasa- blank, no influences except an innate nature for good which is contradicted by babies bashing each other over the head with toys-lol. I have a brother who claims to be an Atheist-lol, he has a beautiful daughter and I feel that parents often need to believe that there is an entity protecting their child. One of my tutors is an atheist and he was devastated when his friend died suddenly- a belief in an afterlife is psychologically useful, believing that you know it all is incorrect and not beneficial to mental health. Religious people are happier. (References available LOL )
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I have almost completed my degree in Psychology, thesis next year and this is exactly the topic that I'd love to tackle- please PM your email, if you think that you could contrabute.
One of my tutors is an atheist and he was devastated when his friend died suddenly- a belief in an afterlife is psychologically useful, believing that you know it all is incorrect and not beneficial to mental health. Religious people are happier. (References available LOL )
Slan
I always found it quite psychologically harmful when you have to explain hell to children. No comfort in the afterlife for Kafur's.
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Firstly can I just say that it's so refreshing to be able to debate in a 'nice' way. As soon as people start getting nasty I'm off- I don't need negativity. So thanks guys for being so kind in the manner that you phrase your comments-
.(1) anyone who believes in one God
Surly you mean the one true god here, believe in one god could not be enough. Like if I believe Jesus is god, does that count ?
There is only one God, so whatever you call God it's still God. It's the oneness that's important. Hmmm, Jesus never called himself God in the bible and actually talked to God - so unless he was talking to himself...
Personally, I believe that Allah knows each person's intimate soul and no-one is inside anyone elses head other than there own. If a person truly doesn't know that's different from disbelieving once you know- therefore rejecting your God when he offers you the truth on a plate as it were. For me personally, I believed, it wasn't a choice but a fact- I believed and I couldn't see any reason to deny what I genuinely believed was a better life path for myself. I believe that God is the Most Merciful, that makes him more merciful than the most merciful human- therefore I believe that a person should live their life to the best of their ability according to the belief system that they find the best and I don't believe that God is in any way unjust.
(2)anyone with even an atoms weight of faith
Again, I take it you mean that an atoms weight of faith in Islam ie, 'There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah'
That's faith in God - I have found so much humility and fear in some non-Muslim friends and it is a fear of God- a faith in God and in my opinion more than an atoms weight of faith.
So, can I ask, would your christian family fit the requirement ?
:rolleyes: To be honest, I couldn't swan around all happy happy if I thought that my family were destined for a firey hell so ...no, I cannot believe that about my family. My family are Fab !
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Originally Posted by ginada
, You don't sit down with kids and start telling them about Hell, unless you're a bit nuts yourself-lol. All children go to Heaven according to Islam regardless of their actions as they are not responsible prior to puberty. Basically its a kinda do unto others what you would like people to do to you, kinda thing--y'now...even atheists will teach their kids morals and right from wrong. So, my kids are not being psychologically damaged by talk re: Hell.Perhaps my understanding is wrong. I thought hell would be something you would want to warn your kids about. I teach my kids about safety in the road and talking to strangers so if hell is real for you whats the problem with teaching kids about it ? (of course at an age appropriate level)
Hmm, as you say, strangers and the rules of the road would be top of the agenda. My oldest is 16, they kinda get a bit curious about hell at around 6th class age and it's not like it's easy to get into hell, you'd have to be a murderer or something really bad to land there. It's not like the kids think that they're going there, they don't. Islamically you say bismillah irahman araheem---in the name of Allah the most gracious most merciful at the start of every prayer- thats 17 times a day that those words pass your lips- A big hadith in Islam is - RELIGION IS EASY, and it is...also KEEP TO THE MIDDLE PATH... my kids love Ben10 and Hannah Montana and have phones with songs on them, they're normal happy kids, full of fun and they are really close to my 4 brothers and their cousins and grandparents- they also have Muslim relatives and loads of cousins in Algeria. So they are really balanced Alhamdulilah(thank God).
I hope that was a bit of an answer to each question.
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HI Simon
Could you explain to me the meaning behind these verses:
“Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the Polytheists, will be thrown in hellfire, to dwell therein. They are the worst of creatures” (98:6).
That's if you disbelieve- that is that you know it's the truth but you reject it.
“Those people who say that God is the third of three (i.e. the Christian trinity) are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist.” (5:72)
A recent study showed that most Christians did not actually believe that Jesus is God .
I was about 6months a Muslim and my grandad died--he was cremated which was distressing- I love my Grandad and I don't believe that he is in Hell. My family know I'm a Muslim and they respect my choice, I similarly accept their right to be whoever they want to be- nobody knows the future, I would be happy if my family became Muslim but if they don't I don't believe that they will be in Hell, I couldn't function if that was my belief, I would go insane, I love my family dearly and they love me.If your Christian family, following exposure to Islam subsequently reject it, will they go to hell? i..e If they don't convert after you telling them about your faith are they destined for eternal pain and misery?I also assume you believe that your Atheist brother will end up in hell?
No, I've known him since he was born and I believe that Allah loves him, I would obviously like if he changed his mind, he's only in his 20's but if he died I could not believe that he would go to hell. If you think about it...if someone phoned you and said that someone poured petrol on a person you loved and they were going to light a match- you would risk your like to save them. So...if I did believe that they were destined for hell I would camp outside their front door and beg them day and night to become a Muslim. I'm a psychology student, I know how my mind works- I've tied up my loose ends- I'm not a hypocrite and my mind functions logically. I've studied Philosophy too which was like putting your brain in a blender...LOL:eek:
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