Moral dilemma?

Chucky the tree

carfax wrote: »

Bearing that in mind and from my own experience; That is the reason that if you are the one to tell tales it will almost always back-fire on you or reflect badly on you in some way. Irish people are funny like that, a lot of people will think to themselves "well if he is telling me that this person is a thief [or whatever] then what is he saying about me to others".

I've been in JP's situation myself countless times in the past and lost the head about it once this year only for it to make me look an idiot.

Stephen.

P.S. €500 is pocket change to JP

Unless you've an outstanding loan which you've dodged for 18months I wouldnt worry about it. I also dont see how JP can make himself look like an idiot. If people are allowed get with ripping people off they will continue to do it, If I lend him money subsequently to this event and found out later that he had a previous record for being awful with debts but people were too afraid to mention it because it's "out of line" I'd be pretty miffed.

I personnally cant understand the mentality of people to say it's out of order to out him, then again I cant understand how someone can allow themselves to be made a prat of for 18months aswell.

RoundTower

out him in the 50kth post in the BBV thread

kpnuts

kpnuts wrote: »

"well known"? can you give us a bit more info to help us to google this. Sounds like some cabbie not paying his Pedigree Chum/walkies fees? Or did a dog trainer do a runner on his cab fare?

Someone "may" have sold an imaginary dog to some dealers who work in a club with a name like the OP and also to well known Dublin player. They may also have charged same for the upkeep and training costs of this imaginary greyhound.

Person may also not wish to go too close to a pub on Camden St. for similar reasons.*
*Obviously this is just as I have heard it.

Ollieboy

I've want to start a thread similiar to this for ages and it really pees me off scum like this taking loans and have no intention of paying it back, I know they usually have a problem, but they give you the whole speech and than try to make a dick out of you.

To be fair JP this guy as made a total dick out of you and the same as happen to me over the last 18 months. I was told lie after lie and made promises after promise. It work its way up to over 500 at once stage and is currently down to $135 and I'm planning to get every bit back.

When I start on the Irish scene I promise myself never to lend money and I made a mistake in thinking this person was sound, had a successiful business and money and was wealthy and it was just a credit card problem. It actually makes me sick to see him and I can't be in the same room as him. I know I will lose it with him one of these days even if I get the money back buts its his fault now and he'll just have to deal with it as I feel he's made a total dick out of me. (not that hard before someone else says it).

I know another player who recently spot someone 5k online and is been mess about getting payment back even though this guy is cashing. He owes money all over the place and not just in Ireland. I reckon he'll be found in a ditch soon enough.

So should these players be out? I believe so, but the problem is his friends etc, as Jay found out last time and people always seem to make excuses for these people, but they have no right to ask for a loan if they have no way of paying it back. It really makes me sick.

opr

Dear Ann

I lent money to someone who i didn't really know that well. Ah but they seemed like great craic and sure isn't that what counts !!

The only times i have really met them before was when i am getting my gambol on playing the pokerz. I lent him a hundo and he proceeded to split 10's against the dealers picture and then double 12 shortly after which he went broke. He did seem a bit degnish but sure he was sound so i threw him a few more quid.

My worst nightmare happened when this stand-up guy wouldn't pay me back. I feel violated and like a total idiot.

What should i do Ann ?


Ann Replies

These kind of bottled feelings will eat away at you so its time to let go and get on with your life. Sometimes people don't always do what they say they will but thats life. Don't be such a ****ing mug in future learn from your mistakes and just be thankful hes no friend of yours.

Opr

HIVeindhoven

You should always assume people you meet in a cardroom are degenerate welshers unless proven otherwise (degenerate until proven innocent).

Dont have too much sympathy for the people who get screwed when a guy you only know in a gambling environment fails to pay back a loan. It happened to me once in Dublin(for E300, eventually got it back) and i learned my lesson.

Conbro

RoundTower wrote: »

out him in the 50kth post in the BBV thread

Im missing something here whats the joke?

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Conbro wrote: »

Im missing something here whats the joke?

50,000th post just took place in the bad beat thread

Conbro

Richard Glamorous Rose wrote: »

50,000th post just took place in the bad beat thread

Ye I gathered that Fran just couldnt understand why everyone was queueing up to thank RT

Ste05

Conbro wrote: »

Ye I gathered that Fran just couldnt understand why everyone was queueing up to thank RT

Cos we needed a landmark post for #50,000???

Anyway, best get back on topic here, serious business is still afoot.

zuroph

IMO naming him on this board would be crass, irresponsible and unfair on Dev and co.
so name him on the cousins list instead :D:D

DeVore

Naming someone like that could end up with them taking you for a lot more then 500 if you are not careful. The burden of proof is on you at that point. Also, Sickpuppet, suggesting you'd go round and beat them up makes you look foolish if you dont do it; and makes you look foolish and guilty of premeditated assault if you do. I know, those cops and laws are such a pain. :rolleyes:

If you out him, you have no cards left to play so it should only be a revenge thing, why would anyone like them pay you after you have already done your worst?

Point him at this thread and try and get your money back, if not then create a blog and out him there if you still feel aggrieved (which I would).

DeV.

sickpuppy

Here Dev i never sugguested going round and beating whoever owes him i said somethings are worth a beating
great to see your finger on the pulse suppose id be better off giving people links to tranny porn that shuts down there computer than honest opinions
i have loads of respect for the law but if someones a kunt there a kunt and deserve to be treated like one
i also had some good advice why didnt you quote that?
Premeditated assault wouldnt even register with the police jails are full to the brim serious crimes would take precident im sure.
Im sure your into karma etc and life will pay back this non payer of debts,
but the mans been wronged simple as that and whatever way he can get his money back our some sort of non violent retribution
he should follow the best course of action.

DeVore

Read the last line of my post.

Oh and this might help too.


DeV.

sickpuppy

Confused me there ill be honest i browse the forum dont hang out on it was it a hint at my super grammar spell it out please but try not be too insulting i might get upset.

cuterob

JP Poker wrote: »

a well know player and boards.ie member , You then see him at most of the major events in Ireland, Irish Open, Winter Festival and Deepstack events and every time you ask about your money you're given some excuse.

Said player has recently come into money and you ring him again and nicely ask about payment and are given another excuse.

What do you do?

what do i do? i solve this mystery once and for all


NEITHER OF THE PEOPLE ABOVE IS THE PERSON..I AM JOKING!!!
now i think my ass is covered and def enough pixelation for one night

sorry to hear this JP..i cant understand people like who you described..and why they just don't do what's morally right..hopefully this thread will make them pay up!

HIVeindhoven

Pretty irresponsible of the OP to come on here and make this accusation but give us no clues to the mystery degens identity aside from saying that he is a boardsie.
Is his post count a)below 1000 B)between 2-3K C)above 3K

By come into money do you mean tourney scores in Dublin?

Is he a respected poster?

Give us something to work with!

Conbro

DeVore wrote: »

Read the last line of my post.

Oh and this might help too.


DeV.

You realy dont impress anyone by being a smartass Dev. Sickpuppy actually made some very ood points in his original post which you chose to ignore. The fact that you own this site doesnt give you carte blanche to treat your members with such contempt. Grow up.

Lou.m

Hello JP

Sorry to hear about your situation.

I dont know if this would be helpful but this is what i used to try to get money back from an ex boyfriend it was considerably more than 500 Euros but maybe it will help.

I went to meet him personally in his home and when i spoke to him i made it clear that i was not happy to leave, unless i had at least partial repayment or and a written statement of promised repayment with terms and conditions. Be civil and firm.

Unfortunately in Ireland the small claims court cannot be used for debt as far as i understand otherwise you could quite cheaply get your money back.

But there are other things you can do for 55 euro i got a solicitor to write him a letter ( no meeting with the solicitor was needed and so no further fee was required) , it is surprising how a letter from a solicitor can change someones attitude. And 55 for 500 does not seem too bad. Paul .W Tracey. solicitors in Dublin do this and you can just ring and ask for a letter to be sent as far as i know. I think you can even order them online. They have a website.

If he promises to pay with excuses like i just have to send it get it to you etc offer to go round and pick it up. If he says he just does not have it right now then simply offer to allow him to pay in installments you can have it set up at a credit union or something. Sometimes when someone has to pay something to a organization rather than an individual they react differently.

As regards naming him i would say this, What would it accomplish??? If he was scrupulous about his reputation the likely hood is he would have repaid you by now. And people forget names so i would not count on people remembering it to avoid. If you out him it may in fact make it more difficult to get your money back. As he could make a counter claim regarding slander or whatever.

Remember from what you said in your post if i have this right he has not actually refused to pay but is being clever about it and putting it off. You had no time scheme on repayment of this loan ( i could be wrong but that is what i gathered) he could turn around and say he fully intended to still pay you back!!

It sounds as if your generosity has been abused so i really hope you do try to get it back.

Barring him from your future events sounds like a first step. (although getting your business in any way involved over a personal loan may not be a good idea i dont know, you will know best:-)

Maybe if he is a regular poster he will have read this and thought he should pay up!! AND HE SHOULD!!! Maybe that is what you intended. IT would probably be a whole lot less painful for him if he did.:-)

And did i get my money back from my ex ......erm no ....grrrrrr

I hope you get it back JP!

Louise

kpnuts

Conbro wrote: »

You realy dont impress anyone by being a smartass Dev. Sickpuppy actually made some very ood points in his original post which you chose to ignore. The fact that you own this site doesnt give you carte blanche to treat your members with such contempt. Grow up.

Hear hear.
Disgusted by the obnoxiousness you directed at sickpuppy, Tom.
KP.

ianmc38

Post an anagram of his name!

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Irish people are such retards.

I take offence to this remark Chucky. I don't even know of you are Irish but to go around generalising like that is quite unfair.

And Carfax obviously agrees with you.

Jp, you have to look at this from two sides.

On a personal level this is not nice and expecially when its clear that the person has had ample time, opportunity and the money to pay you. I would find it hard not to out the person.

On the business side of things you have to weigh up the pros and cons of any action you might take. If this guy is friendly with a lot of other customers of yours, then you need to thread carefully and make sure that this would not cost you in the long term. If it will not affect your business in a negative way then I'd definitely out him.

I've only met you once or twice but I know from what I've heard that you are one of the most respected and from personally meeting you one of the nicer people that I've come across on the poker scene.

Personally I would go up to this person every time I see them and ask loudly enough to be overheard for my money and mention how long I've been waiting for it. I'd also let all my friends know about it and tell them to spread the word.
I don't personally like the idea of outing someone on a forum. I don't think it accomplishes much and not even as much as what I've said in my previous paragraph.

Someone mentions the legal letter, well I would be unwilling to spend one cent on trying to get this money back as if he hasn't given it to you at this stage, I don't see how any threats of legal action will improve your chances and will only leave you out of pocket a few more euro.
Personally I would not out him on a forum but let the word spread through friends. I'd warn anybody I ever see in conversation with the guy that he is likely to tap them up and they'll never get it back.

DeVore

Conbro wrote: »

You realy dont impress anyone by being a smartass Dev. Sickpuppy actually made some very ood points in his original post which you chose to ignore. The fact that you own this site doesnt give you carte blanche to treat your members with such contempt. Grow up.

But I'm expected to take having him say I should send him sick tranny-porn. Yeah, cuts both ways.

By the way, you only have to uniquely identify someone to a reasonable degree to cause problems. Putting up an anagram of his name is definitely passed that line.

To be honest, I think JP has enough suggestions to work with here and make his own decision.

I'll leave this open for another 24 hours so people cant accuse me of locking a thread after having the last post.

DeV.

RichieLawlor

DeVore wrote: »

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DeV.

Ban imo

DeadParrot

Conbro wrote:

You realy dont impress anyone by being a smartass Dev. Sickpuppy actually made some very ood points in his original post which you chose to ignore. The fact that you own this site doesnt give you carte blanche to treat your members with such contempt. Grow up.

meh, I thought it was funny.

DeVore

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Ban imo

I hate you Kenny.

DeV.

zuroph

Lou.m wrote: »

Hello JP

Sorry to hear about your situation.

I dont know if this would be helpful but this is what i used to try to get money back from an ex boyfriend it was considerably more than 500 Euros but maybe it will help.

I went to meet him personally in his home and when i spoke to him i made it clear that i was not happy to leave, unless i had at least partial repayment or and a written statement of promised repayment with terms and conditions. Be civil and firm.

Unfortunately in Ireland the small claims court cannot be used for debt as far as i understand otherwise you could quite cheaply get your money back.

But there are other things you can do for 55 euro i got a solicitor to write him a letter ( no meeting with the solicitor was needed and so no further fee was required) , it is surprising how a letter from a solicitor can change someones attitude. And 55 for 500 does not seem too bad. Paul .W Tracey. solicitors in Dublin do this and you can just ring and ask for a letter to be sent as far as i know. I think you can even order them online. They have a website.

If he promises to pay with excuses like i just have to send it get it to you etc offer to go round and pick it up. If he says he just does not have it right now then simply offer to allow him to pay in installments you can have it set up at a credit union or something. Sometimes when someone has to pay something to a organization rather than an individual they react differently.

As regards naming him i would say this, What would it accomplish??? If he was scrupulous about his reputation the likely hood is he would have repaid you by now. And people forget names so i would not count on people remembering it to avoid. If you out him it may in fact make it more difficult to get your money back. As he could make a counter claim regarding slander or whatever.

Remember from what you said in your post if i have this right he has not actually refused to pay but is being clever about it and putting it off. You had no time scheme on repayment of this loan ( i could be wrong but that is what i gathered) he could turn around and say he fully intended to still pay you back!!

It sounds as if your generosity has been abused so i really hope you do try to get it back.

Barring him from your future events sounds like a first step. (although getting your business in any way involved over a personal loan may not be a good idea i dont know, you will know best:-)

Maybe if he is a regular poster he will have read this and thought he should pay up!! AND HE SHOULD!!! Maybe that is what you intended. IT would probably be a whole lot less painful for him if he did.:-)

And did i get my money back from my ex ......erm no ....grrrrrr

I hope you get it back JP!

Louise

Did the thread get moved to "Personal issues"?

lazlo

you could just PM all the regulars on the forum. A somewhat non-pvert 'outing' as it were

a-k-47

i owe a well known poster here 20$ 18weeks but im not going to out him :pac::D:)

lillou

I don't like the idea of outing people on forums. Where does it stop?

Deal with it privately and learn from it imo.

gondorff

DeVore wrote: »

Read the last line of my post.

Oh and this might help too.


DeV.

THAN

slavetothegrind

Softly softly catchee monkey,
have patience JP and you will get yours, these things have a habit of coming around.
Don't risk your name over a 500 euro slagging match following an outing, keep in there and you will have opertunity for a refund.

Even if you have to take the hit, was a cheap lesson at 500!

All the best.

Lazare

joeclif wrote: »

Softly softly catchee monkey,
have patience JP and you will get yours, these things have a habit of coming around.
.

eh, he's been waiting 18 months.

DeVore

Sorry, thread is getting an early bath cos people think its funny to sail close to the wind. (Their own wind far too often). Posts deleted and thread locked.


DeV.