And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

Sh1tbag OToole · 21-10-2015 9:55am

http://www.adverts.ie/car/peugeot/407/peugeot-407-2007/9076840

5W30 · 21-10-2015 10:28am

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/car/peugeot/407/peugeot-407-2007/9076840

Surely that's a typo and should be 5.5k?

run_Forrest_run · 21-10-2015 11:32am

5W30 wrote: »

Surely that's a typo and should be 5.5k?

still a dreamer

millington · 21-10-2015 11:58am

selectamatic wrote: »

100% agree but they have rarity on their side against the eg's could also argue looks but thats all down to personal taste. honda's b series is unmatched in the small cc n/a department when it comes to practical performance and upgrade-ability the way bits from b18's b16's b20's all practically bolt together coupled with their aftermarket following makes them a great practical powerplant. A b16b with b18 type r crank and stroker kit is some animal of a combination :eek: rare to see done in ireland though as there are quite a few excellent b18 tuners knocking about so it's more practical and economical to go that route. The yanks are well up on the built b20 motors as they are a more common engine across the pond.

Rare to see because it's easier to just get a B18Cr engine to be fair

That 20v Corolla is probably worth 3500-4k if clean, very rare car these days

selectamatic · 21-10-2015 2:08pm

millington wrote: »

Rare to see because it's easier to just get a B18Cr engine to be fair

That 20v Corolla is probably worth 3500-4k if clean, very rare car these days

True but that set up on a b16b if tuned right makes more power than a b18 type r something around 230whp is achieveable but yes I agree with ya about it being easier to just tune a b18 especially since b16b's are getting hard to come by!
A built k24 with a k20 type r head is the new king though

millington · 21-10-2015 2:44pm

selectamatic wrote: »

True but that set up on a b16b if tuned right makes more power than a b18 type r something around 230whp is achieveable but yes I agree with ya about it being easier to just tune a b18 especially since b16b's are getting hard to come by!
A built k24 with a k20 type r head is the new king though

Why is the B16B superior? 230whp from a B series will cost you well over 5 grand

B16b pistons are slightly higher compression than B18Crs and the cams are a tiny bit more aggressive too but even with a B18Cr crank,rods & throttle body, it will be a negligible power difference. 200bhp or a little below either way.

selectamatic · 21-10-2015 4:22pm

millington wrote: »

Why is the B16B superior? 230whp from a B series will cost you well over 5 grand

B16b pistons are slightly higher compression than B18Crs and the cams are a tiny bit more aggressive too but even with a B18Cr crank,rods & throttle body, it will be a negligible power difference. 200bhp or a little below either way.

220bhp-230bhp is the general figures achieved from stroked b16b's but as you say it gets costly. I never said b16b's are better I merely said one with those mods is usually better than fairly standard a b18 type r. I'm not getting into a debate over something that in essence we agree on. In my original post I just noted how the b16b tuning isn't common but it is effective I never said it's better than any of the other bseries engines b18's are more common and cheaper to tune to similar or superior figures, I actually only brought up the stroked b16b to compliment mine and collin's point about the upgrade-ability of bseries engines not to talk down any of the other bseries line up.

millington · 21-10-2015 4:39pm

selectamatic wrote: »

220bhp-230bhp is the general figures achieved from stroked b16b's but as you say it gets costly. I never said b16b's are better I merely said one with those mods is usually better than fairly standard a b18 type r. I'm not getting into a debate over something that in essence we agree on. In my original post I just noted how the b16b tuning isn't common but it is effective I never said it's better than any of the other bseries engines b18's are more common and cheaper to tune to similar or superior figures, I actually only brought up the stroked b16b to compliment mine and collin's point about the upgrade-ability of bseries engines not to talk down any of the other bseries line up.

If you're stroking, it makes no odds whether a B18 block or a B16B block is used but yea options are endless!

selectamatic · 21-10-2015 5:45pm

the head is where the difference lies (stock for stock) but again most b series heads can be upgraded to similar specs be they b18 type r, b16a2 or b16b, so yes as you say the options are indeed endless

Hachiko · 21-10-2015 8:24pm

erm, getting a bit pornographic here lads.

If my head was stroked this much by my missus i would be well pleased.

millington · 22-10-2015 8:57am

selectamatic wrote: »

the head is where the difference lies (stock for stock) but again most b series heads can be upgraded to similar specs be they b18 type r, b16a2 or b16b, so yes as you say the options are indeed endless

I have never heard tell of a B16B head being better than a B18C head in my few years with Hondas, but we don't have a flow bench to check, ah well

selectamatic · 22-10-2015 3:51pm

millington wrote: »

I have never heard tell of a B16B head being better than a B18C head in my few years with Hondas, but we don't have a flow bench to check, ah well

On solely flow characteristics there's actually evidence from tests undertaken by some engine tuners in the US that the b16a2 head flows the best out of the bseries line up, but obviously it doesn't get the same standard of valves or cams the b18 r gets but then the b16b has better cams and valves and retainers that are arguably as good as b18 r ones. Anyways getting back to the whole dreamer thread;
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/10693520
Mercedes-Benz 220 Sports Convertible

Surely these aren't quite at this sort of price yet? It is indeed very clean but that price is a bit much in my eyes! Perhaps the Mercedes enthusiasts could shed some light.

millington · 22-10-2015 4:43pm

selectamatic wrote: »

On solely flow characteristics there's actually evidence from tests undertaken by some engine tuners in the US that the b16a2 head flows the best out of the bseries line up, but obviously it doesn't get the same standard of valves or cams the b18 r gets but then the b16b has better cams and valves and retainers that are arguably as good as b18 r ones.

B16B valves & retainers are the same as B18Cr ones but the 95-99 B18C cams aren't just as aggresive. Some of the 00 cars actually had the same cams as B16Bs.

But as said, back on topic lol

Special Circumstances · 22-10-2015 5:23pm

Makes a change from the BMW fanboyism I suppose.
I've had a B series engine...

...B20Z baby oh yeah!

JohnBoy26 · 22-10-2015 9:15pm

Who cares about a few bhp here and there

both the b16 and b18 are great engines.

millington · 23-10-2015 9:33am

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Who cares about a few bhp here and there both the b16 and b18 are great engines.

When you live your life a quarter mile at a time, every horse counts :cool::pac::pac::pac:

Special Circumstances · 23-10-2015 9:39am

millington wrote: »

When you live your life a quarter mile at a time, every horse counts :cool::pac::pac::pac:

That's limerick citaay!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-10-2015 5:24pm

You could have this heap of junk Prelude for 4k...
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/10595273

Imo this is worth a few hundred euro. Even at the Honda DOHC peak of the late 90s/early 00s they were undesirable.

Or if it's your thing you could get this for probably 1000 notes https://www.donedeal.ie/view/10625988

Personally I'm a b16, b18 guy. That white prelude guy should rename his ad to Honda Deluded.

rizzodun · 23-10-2015 6:14pm

The Honey Monster wrote: »

You could have this heap of junk Prelude for 4k...
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/10595273

Imo this is worth a few hundred euro. Even at the Honda DOHC peak of the late 90s/early 00s they were undesirable.

Or if it's your thing you could get this for probably 1000 notes https://www.donedeal.ie/view/10625988

Personally I'm a b16, b18 guy. That white prelude guy should rename his ad to Honda Deluded.

He's selling two Preludes, that's the price for both together, one with an NCT until 2017.

The one you posted need an exhaust, is 2.2 but 2.0 on the book and the NCT is up in Jan. Hard to compare both really.

Hachiko · 23-10-2015 6:24pm

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-accord-euro-r/10704741

not really dreamer at all, miles is a tad on the high side but euro r's are pretty rare things. That would sell pretty easy in the uk.

colm_mcm · 23-10-2015 9:44pm

What sort of money do 05 euro r's fetch in the UK?

Marty McFly · 23-10-2015 9:57pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

What sort of money do 05 euro r's fetch in the UK?

Well there's none on pistonheads but there is three 03 cl7 euro rs for sale highest being 7950 cheapest being 6950 sterling.

colm_mcm · 23-10-2015 9:58pm

Both from the same garage, yeah saw those alright. Is that normal pricing for them?

Marty McFly · 23-10-2015 10:03pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Both from the same garage, yeah saw those alright. Is that normal pricing for them?

I wouldn't know for sure but I'd imagine so they have always had a bit of premium price to them givenue there rarity and there only getting rarer.

Smashing car a fried has one as basically his weekend car don't think he'll ever get rid of it.

colm_mcm · 23-10-2015 10:04pm

I spose if your main option was to import from Japan you'd probably pay that much either way?

Marty McFly · 23-10-2015 10:14pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

I spose if your main option was to import from Japan you'd probably pay that much either way?

Doesn't the price of importing normally reflect on the value they sell for over here?

I think if anything over the last few years they have at least maintained there value if not increased in value.

Not only are they rare it's even harder to find one like most Hondas that haven't been molested or screwed or both.