And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

millington

Noveight wrote: »

Could get a beaut of a DC5 for that money.

I'd sooner pay 9k for a DC2 than 5k for a DC5.

Not that one though, it's not worth 9k.

Noveight

Just noticed how few DC2's there are on Donedeal, I suppose it is no wonder they've become a cult classic of sorts.

Wibbs

Like so many of that era's Japanese stuff they went dirt cheap and/or they were "customised". A load were written off/stolen, some were K20 swapped and turned into track cars, or when the insurance got too high were parted out as at one stage they were worth more in parts than as a whole car(might still be the case in Ireland). This happens with pretty much every vaguely affordable "hot" car.

Going further back all sorts of hot hatch Peugeots, Renaults and Fords went through the same process and few enough all original examples survived. The late 90's customising I just drove through Carnoisseur(remember them) covered in glue period was vicious for it. VAG stuff tended to avoid much of that, or at least more say Golf GTi's survived relatively intact and original and you rarely saw tarted up Corrados. Alfa tended to avoid that madness too.

Now I have nothing against personal customisation of cars. I say fair play if you want something more unique(it'll do eff all for the real world performance), but down the line when selling it or the model becomes a collectible "classic", personal taste is a bloody hard sell and is guaranteed to mean the costs of upgrades directly affect the value. In a decades time that 9k DC2 will be worth far less than if it was left standard.

That said, because of the uniquely Irish situation there are a fair few older cars that are "bargains", if you had a few quid and storage. Buy something like a DC2 in original state for 4-5 grand and I'll bet the farm you can double that in a few years time, in ten years time I'd bet triple that. Another one I'd look at would be the Fiat Coupe, particularly the 2.0 turbo and you'll get a better return than any bank would give you. They're daftly and puzzlingly cheap when they come up. There'd be a few Alfa's in the mix too.

JohnBoy26

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-toyota-corolla-vvti-1-4l-petrol-saloon/16357356

fancy pigeon

Sellers name is John... Not yours is it?

Unless it's a cheap plug :P

bear1

2k???

grogi

bear1 wrote: »

2k???

Future classic!

JohnBoy26

grogi wrote: »

Future classic!

At that price he will have it until it's a classic. No phone number either email only. :rolleyes:

Gravelly

If he gets €2k for that I'm going on a tour of Irish scrapyards to buy up every one of them I can.

bear1

grogi wrote: »

Future classic!

That's as future classic as the ****e I took this morning.

JohnBoy26

bear1 wrote: »

That's as future classic as the ****e I took this morning.

Well tbh with you it they probably will be a classic in the future in this country as they will be remembered for their quality just like old carinas and corolla from the 80's are remembered now.

colm_mcm

The old stuff was reliable against a backdrop of rubbish cars from other brands though.

Gravelly

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Well tbh with you it they probably will be a classic in the future in this country as they will be remembered for their quality just like old carinas and corolla from the 80's are remembered now.

I suppose they will be a classic (with a small "c") one day purely because they will be old, but I can never see them being sought after in any major way - they were common as muck, had very little going for them other than reliability, and the electronics (little and all as there was in them) will likely be unreliable and tricky to replace with age.

vintagevrs

bear1 wrote: »

That's as future classic as the ****e I took this morning.

Any pictures?

JohnBoy26

Gravelly wrote: »

I suppose they will be a classic (with a small "c") one day purely because they will be old, but I can never see them being sought after in any major way - they were common as muck, had very little going for them other than reliability, and the electronics (little and all as there was in them) will likely be unreliable and tricky to replace with age.

They were are very pleasant car to drive, economical and had a certain quality to them, everything was built to last, even the wiper linkage for example had metal bushes instead of plastic and very rarely wore out. Door hinges and bonnet wearing out is very rare too unlike other makes.

Even mega mile examples drive like the day they left the factory with no rattles and are tight with don't feel loose like some other cars can get with high miles.

Electrics aren't unreliable at all in these, they don't give any electrical problems even the electric windows don't give problems with regulators or motors like you see on other cars.

Some people look down on them but most of the time those people never have actually owned one and go by what certain journalist say intead of real world experience.

bear1

vintagevrs wrote: »

Any pictures?

Ah a fellow scat festisher
I'll PM them, t'was a beauty.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

The old stuff was reliable against a backdrop of rubbish cars from other brands though.

Ya but they were still quality cars, much more so than the two succeeding models and many other cars from the 00's.

Gravelly

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

They were are very pleasant car to drive, economical and had a certain quality to them, everything was built to last, even the wiper linkage for example had metal bushes instead of plastic and very rarely wore out. Door hinges and bonnet wearing out is very rare too unlike other makes.

Even mega mile examples drive like the day they left the factory with no rattles and are tight with don't feel loose like some other cars can get with high miles.

Electrics aren't unreliable at all in these, they don't give any electrical problems even the electric windows don't give problems with regulators or motors like you see on other cars.

Some people look down on them but most of the time those people never have actually owned one and go by what certain journalist say intead of real world experience.

I don't have to go by what a journalist says, as I owned one in my dim and distant youth. I'm not sure what you mean by "pleasant to drive" - certainly they get you from A to B, but in no better or worse a way than any other basic car of the era, but they were, at best, unexciting, and most people don't buy a classic car so they can be bored - thus you will see loads of MGB's, hot Escorts, Jaguars etc. at classic car runs, but very few Montegos, Rover 200's or Morris Marinas. These don't even have the "oddball" factor that makes people buy other boring classics like Reliants or Ladas.
I didn't say the electrics are unreliable, I said the electronics (little and all as there was in them) will likely be unreliable and tricky to replace with age. which they will - it is unlikely that the electronics will last forever, and probably won't be available off the shelf.

JohnBoy26

Gravelly wrote: »

I don't have to go by what a journalist says, as I owned one in my dim and distant youth. I'm not sure what you mean by "pleasant to drive" - certainly they get you from A to B, but in no better or worse a way than any other basic car of the era, but they were, at best, unexciting, and most people don't buy a classic car so they can be bored - thus you will see loads of MGB's, hot Escorts, Jaguars etc. at classic car runs, but very few Montegos, Rover 200's or Morris Marinas. These don't even have the "oddball" factor that makes people buy other boring classics like Reliants or Ladas.
I didn't say the electrics are unreliable, I said the electronics (little and all as there was in them) will likely be unreliable and tricky to replace with age. which they will - it is unlikely that the electronics will last forever, and probably won't be available off the shelf.

By pleasant to drive I mean they had a nice light clutch, a smooth gearchange, they were quiet and comfortable and offered decent performance and economy for a 1.4 engine.

As regards to electronics, you can say that about any car ebay is your friend in that situation for whatever electronics you think will go on them? I can't think of many if any, even the central lockingn on these is extremely robust.

Also a car doesn't have to be a hot hatch or a prestigious car to be a classic. The reason why montegos and marinas aren't seen at classic car shows is because most of them have already fallen apart years ago because the were buckets of sh1te in every way.

Gravelly

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

By pleasant to drive I mean they had a nice light clutch, a smooth gearchange, they were quiet and comfortable and offered decent performance and economy for a 1.4 engine.

As regards to electronics, you can say that about any car ebay is your friend in that situation for whatever electronics you think will go on them? I can't think of many if any, even the central lockingn on these is extremely robust.

Also a car doesn't have to be a hot hatch or a prestigious car to be a classic. The reason why montegos and marinas aren't seen at classic car shows is because most of them have already fallen apart years ago because the were buckets of sh1te in every way.

Fuel injection etc. Obviously you can get all the stuff on Ebay, but would you bother? Anyway, beside the point, I still can't see those cars being stalwarts of the classic scene in the future, as, light clutch or not, they are simply not a fun or interesting drive in anyone's book, and never will be, especially since there are many cars of this era that are actually fun/fast/quirky/interesting/comfortable that will be worth saving.

(Though all that aside, you will always have people who want to drive uninteresting classics, so some of them will be safe!)

Duke O Smiley

To be fair to John I see plenty of 70s, 80s and even 90s Corollas at many classic car shows around the country and I don't see why the e11 won't follow suit. The boring and mundane, as they get on in years, become very appealing to some people (I am one of those people) who enjoy seeing them at shows. I think its mostly nostalgia than attracts people to the older ones, which I can get behind.

Gravelly

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

To be fair to John I see plenty of 70s, 80s and even 90s Corollas at many classic car shows around the country and I don't see why the e11 won't follow suit. The boring and mundane, as they get on in years, become very appealing to some people (I am one of those people) who enjoy seeing them at shows. I think its mostly nostalgia than attracts people to the older ones, which I can get behind.

That's true enough, I'm partial to old Fords myself, which, aside from the Escorts, aren't exactly rockets. I feel, though, that it is harder to love a "modern" fuel injected, cat-strangled, plasticky mass-produced, non-rusting, all-look-alike car like the e11, than it is some once-exotic 1970's Toyota that rusted every time it rained. Different strokes for different folks I s'pose.

Gravelly

I remember reading a while back that the classics most people fall for are the ones that were current when the person was in their teens - thus, to someone of my age, the Ferrari Testarossa and Porsche 911 were the exotics we loved, while the Gti's (205 & Golf) and the Xr3i were the more everyday cars that we loved. I now look at Sierras, Merc 190's and Renault 4's with an interest they scarcely deserve. I suppose to someone who was 14 or 15 in the 90's the e11 would hold a bit of nostalgia that passes someone of my generation by.

selectamatic

There's method to it though its not simply these were the cars on the road when i was young. its more these were some of the good cars that were around when i was young.

Take the e10 corolla si which with only an eco 1.6 4afe engine was faster that the mk3 gti golf. I reckon they're a shoe in for future classic status and they'd only a little econobox as The yanks would say. Actual performance orientated ones like the fx gt 20v are already classics tbh. Same goes for many other brands and models civics, pulsars/almeras, Colts etc...

The Japanese cars of the 90's simply battered the rest of the world when it came to "mass produced performance" especially in the 4 cylinder segment.

Just wait till 10 years time when we'll be debating whether a 3dr gt tdi golf will be a future classic :P

Gravelly

selectamatic wrote: »

There's method to it though its not simply these were the cars on the road when i was young. its more these were some of the good cars that were around when i was young.

Take the e10 corolla si which with only an eco 1.6 4afe engine was faster that the mk3 gti golf. I reckon they're a shoe in for future classic status and they'd only a little econobox as The yanks would say. Actual performance orientated ones like the fx gt 20v are already classics tbh. Same goes for many other brands and models civics, pulsars/almeras, Colts etc...

The Japanese cars of the 90's simply battered the rest of the world when it came to "mass produced performance" especially in the 4 cylinder segment.

Just wait till 10 years time when we'll be debating whether a 3dr gt tdi golf will be a future classic :P

True enough, the cars I listed above were the desirable ones - the thing is though, most people wouldn't be able to spend what it costs to get a 1980 GTi or Xr3i as a weekend toy, so many of them will buy a bog standard Golf or Escort of the era, and make do, so maybe there's hope for the 1.4 e11 yet - just not for me!

selectamatic

Gravelly wrote: »

True enough, the cars I listed above were the desirable ones - the thing is though, most people wouldn't be able to spend what it costs to get a 1980 GTi or Xr3i as a weekend toy, so many of them will buy a bog standard Golf or Escort of the era, and make do, so maybe there's hope for the 1.4 e11 yet - just not for me!

It'll take time that's for sure and even then 2k could well be excessive...

Wildcard7

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1995-vr-limted-mazda-mx5/16308420

1750€ for a 1995 MX5 that's been sitting under a tree for years.

Gravelly

Wildcard7 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1995-vr-limted-mazda-mx5/16308420

1750€ for a 1995 MX5 that's been sitting under a tree for years.

I would bet a large sum of money that the sills are completely gone, and probably most of the floor with them.
Also there's a reason only 700 were made in that colour.

Top Dog

Wonder would this qualify.

2005. Left hand drive. Polish registration. Non M-sport. 7000!



https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-530d-left-hand-drive/16405049

emeldc

Top Dog wrote: »

Wonder would this qualify.

2005. Left hand drive. Polish registration. Non M-sport. 7000!



https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-530d-left-hand-drive/16405049

Passenger seat belt lock needs attention. Fcuk that 'n' all.