And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

knipex

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Still a bit saucey even at that is it? I could be wrong, I know Escorts have a huge following but that one looks like a bit of a pantomime horse.

One thing I have learned is that once its got a Ford badge prices and logic no longer linked.

Titzon Toast

A great old yoke but not very collectable yet and sitting on English plates.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-carina-e-gl-td-88000-miles-from-new/17634562

bear1

Impressive spec I have to say, knock 2k off of it and it will sell.

Gravelly

Titzon Toast wrote: »

A great old yoke but not very collectable yet and sitting on English plates.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-carina-e-gl-td-88000-miles-from-new/17634562

Had one of them as a company car back when they were a current model - most boring car I've ever owned, and I've owned a few.

Odyssey 2005

bear1 wrote: »

Impressive spec I have to say, knock 2k off of it and it will sell.

That'll sell to a certain demographic in the country. English plates meam eff all to them

bear1

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

That'll sell to a certain demographic in the country. English plates meam eff all to them

It will look great in a bog around Roscommon.

wotzgoingon

Gravelly wrote: »

Had one of them as a company car back when they were a current model - most boring car I've ever owned, and I've owned a few.

I used to love my 1.6 petrol carina e non lean burn model.

It was one of those cars I didn't care about if someone crashed into it in car parks etc.. I lost the key one day so had to start it with a screw driver in the ignition barrel. Said screw driver was left in car with out locked doors at all times. It would have been robbed in seconds with the work already done to the barrel.

Gravelly

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I used to love my 1.6 petrol carina e non lean burn model.

It was one of those cars I didn't care about if someone crashed into it in car parks etc.. I lost the key one day so had to start it with a screw driver in the ignition barrel. Said screw driver was left in car with out locked doors at all times. It would have been robbed in seconds with the work already done to the barrel.

The one I had was the 1.6 petrol as well! When you'd come to a hill you'd be tempted to stick your leg out the door to help it along. Overtaking was a matter of faith. It was replaced by a diesel Passat, which was like a rocket ship compared to it.

wotzgoingon

Gravelly wrote: »

The one I had was the 1.6 petrol as well! When you'd come to a hill you'd be tempted to stick your leg out the door to help it along. Overtaking was a matter of faith. It was replaced by a diesel Passat, which was like a rocket ship compared to it.

There must have been something wrong with your one. They weren't that bad power wise. No hot hatch or sports coupe but for a non performance 1.6 engine they were fine.

selectamatic

bear1 wrote: »

Impressive spec I have to say, knock 2k off of it and it will sell.

Exporters will give 5-600 for one that's starting and driving. It could have nettles growing outta the boot it doesn't matter.

So that one above is a 1k car all day long imo. Maybe more.

The fella asking near 2 and a half grand is a bulling but lads reckoning it's only worth a few hundred are equally delusional.

bear1

selectamatic wrote: »

Exporters will give 5-600 for one that's starting and driving. It could have nettles growing outta the boot it doesn't matter.

So that one above is a 1k car all day long imo.

The fella asking near 2 and a half grand is a bulling but lads reckoning it's only worth a few hundred are equally delusional.

Maybe, but a few things.
It's 21 years old so insurance will not be either cheap nor easy to get.
It needs to be registered so that is about 600e (checking the VRT calculator) and then straight away tax it and hope it passes the NCT.
So off the bat that's at least 1k it needs just to have it road legal here - not even counting insurance.
Personally, I think it's a joke price and even at 1k I would think that it's not worth it but I understand these types of cars have a following so it's hard for me to say from a different perspective.

selectamatic

bear1 wrote: »

Maybe, but a few things.
It's 21 years old so insurance will not be either cheap nor easy to get.
It needs to be registered so that is about 600e (checking the VRT calculator) and then straight away tax it and hope it passes the NCT.
So off the bat that's at least 1k it needs just to have it road legal here - not even counting insurance.
Personally, I think it's a joke price and even at 1k I would think that it's not worth it but I understand these types of cars have a following so it's hard for me to say from a different perspective.

People in the border counties or north don't do vrt and there's a healthy amount of possible buyers in that area.

All types of cars have a following...

Gravelly

wotzgoingon wrote: »

There must have been something wrong with your one. They weren't that bad power wise. No hot hatch or sports coupe but for a non performance 1.6 engine they were fine.

I think all that was wrong with it was an approx. 100bhp engine in a relatively large car (and the fact that I was driving a 944 at the weekends probably didn't help).

bear1

selectamatic wrote: »

People in the border counties or north don't do vrt and there's a healthy amount of possible buyers in that area.

All types of cars have a following...

Meath isn't a border county
You seem to be annoyed about what I think about this car.

selectamatic

bear1 wrote: »

Meath isn't a border county

I'm aware of that bear?

People from the border counties and North buying off done deal too, was the point I was making.

Not annoyed at all.

I simply think you're wrong and I used the fact of exporter prices to prove so.

bear1

selectamatic wrote: »

I'm aware of that bear?

People from the border counties and North buying off done deal too, was the point I was making.

Not annoyed at all.

I simply think you're wrong and I used the fact of exporter prices to prove so.

But these aren't backed up facts though?
I could be completely wrong to it's face value but I still don't think it's worth anywhere near it's asking price.
You mentioned 1k... maybe but if someone in any region of the country (leaving aside the North) decide to go for it they need to chuck a good bit of change at it.
Anyway, I'll leave it there cause it just clogs up the thread.

selectamatic

bear1 wrote: »

But these aren't backed up facts though?
I could be completely wrong to it's face value but I still don't think it's worth anywhere near it's asking price.
You mentioned 1k... maybe but if someone in any region of the country (leaving aside the North) decide to go for it they need to chuck a good bit of change at it.
Anyway, I'll leave it there cause it just clogs up the thread.

Exporters give 500-600 for td carina's and avensis' as long as they start and drive. That's a fact.

I completely disagreed with your opinion that it's a €450 car and I then offered my own reasonable opinion that it's easily a 1k car.

But ya I agree there's no point going back and forth over this.

Effects

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Its actually got quite a nice engine, its a very good looking car, the interior is well spec'd and it is from a time when Peugeots had some degree of reliability.

The electric seat on my mates old one went haywire when he was driving it, pushing him into the steering wheel. He barely managed to pull over and pull himself out!

Beautiful looking car though!

wotzgoingon

Effects wrote: »

The electric seat on my mates old one went haywire when he was driving it, pushing him into the steering wheel. He barely managed to pull over and pull himself out!

Beautiful looking car though!

That's quite funny even though it was deadly dangerous.

JohnBoy26

wotzgoingon wrote: »

There must have been something wrong with your one. They weren't that bad power wise. No hot hatch or sports coupe but for a non performance 1.6 engine they were fine.

They certainly weren't underpowered. As you say they were no hot hatch but still decent enough for what they were.

Skylinehead

wotzgoingon wrote: »

There must have been something wrong with your one. They weren't that bad power wise. No hot hatch or sports coupe but for a non performance 1.6 engine they were fine.

My dad adored his. Went from that to a 03 1.6 Avensis and it was the Avensis that was sluggish, not the Carina.

Avatar MIA

Skylinehead wrote: »

My dad adored his. Went from that to a 03 1.6 Avensis and it was the Avensis that was sluggish, not the Carina.

The carina was a cracking looking car, the avensis always looked meh!

johndaman66

Skylinehead wrote: »

My dad adored his. Went from that to a 03 1.6 Avensis and it was the Avensis that was sluggish, not the Carina.

He changed to a T250 Avensis presumably rather than a facelift T220 with a VVTI engine? I went from a 97' 1.6 Carina to a 01' 1.6 VVTI Avensis back in the day. While neither were rockets I found to Avensis to be the noticeably quicker of the 2. Drove a T250 04 1.6 Avensis briefly and found it to be noticeably slower than either, felt a lot heavier a car than either.


On a side note I would have considered the 01 Avensis to be the better car between the Carina and Avensis given its better overall driveability and smoothness. Just saying that because people rant and rave about the Carina for its reliability. While that's true, if you are prepared to discipline yourself with the Avensis and keep an eye on the oil I don't think there is any reason for it not to be as every bit as reliable as Carina. Yep the earlier VVTI's in particular did burn a drop of oil but not as much as they burnt petrol as some people would have you believe if you listened to their nonsense.

Gravelly

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

They certainly weren't underpowered. As you say they were no hot hatch but still decent enough for what they were.

Skylinehead wrote: »

My dad adored his. Went from that to a 03 1.6 Avensis and it was the Avensis that was sluggish, not the Carina.

Not sure how you can think a car with around 90bhp/tonne and total torque of 101lb.ft is not underpowered! By just about any measure (other than your grandads sidevalve Ford) it is a gutless performer - I know because I travelled the length and breadth of the country in one!

johndaman66

Gravelly wrote: »

Not sure how you can think a car with around 90bhp/tonne and total torque of 101lb.ft is not underpowered! By just about any measure (other than your grandads sidevalve Ford) it is a gutless performer - I know because I travelled the length and breadth of the country in one!

They probably are technically speaking underpowered in the scheme of things, certainly by todays standards I'm sure.


But its all relative, they were a 1.6 litre run of the mill family saloon. Just by comparison I also had a 99 Vectra B facelift saloon back in the day and found it well, not nearly as peppy as the Carina or Avensis. Best to keep things in perspective and compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges. Can't say I've drove many if any other larger bodied 1.6 family bread and butter family saloons from the same era though.

JohnBoy26

johndaman66 wrote: »

He changed to a T250 Avensis presumably rather than a facelift T220 with a VVTI engine? I went from a 97' 1.6 Carina to a 01' 1.6 VVTI Avensis back in the day. While neither were rockets I found to Avensis to be the noticeably quicker of the 2. Drove a T250 04 1.6 Avensis briefly and found it to be noticeably slower than either, felt a lot heavier a car than either.


On a side note I would have considered the 01 Avensis to be the better car between the Carina and Avensis given its better overall driveability and smoothness. Just saying that because people rant and rave about the Carina for its reliability. While that's true, if you are prepared to discipline yourself with the Avensis and keep an eye on the oil I don't think there is any reason for it not to be as every bit as reliable as Carina. Yep the earlier VVTI's in particular did burn a drop of oil but not as much as they burnt petrol as some people would have you believe if you listened to their nonsense.

The avensis was a much improved carina e. It looked better, it drove better, it was much more comfortable and the interior was nicer, the 4a-fe was also more reliable in the avensis.

The carina e was really overrated. Ok it was probably one of the more reliable and better built cars out there at the time but it didn't hold a candle to it's predecessor the carina II for outright quality.

selectamatic

Gravelly wrote: »

Not sure how you can think a car with around 90bhp/tonne and total torque of 101lb.ft is not underpowered! By just about any measure (other than your grandads sidevalve Ford) it is a gutless performer - I know because I travelled the length and breadth of the country in one!

The same engine in a corolla hatch made for a car that was quicker than the golf gti of the time.

No one is saying 1.6 carina's were fast but I'd bet you'd struggle to find a run of the mill 1.6 full size 90's saloon quicker than a 115bhp non leanburn carina.

The mondeo, Passat, vectra & bmw 316i were hopeless by comparison.

In fact the leanburn model was still quicker than the majority of the competition.

JohnBoy26

Gravelly wrote: »

Not sure how you can think a car with around 90bhp/tonne and total torque of 101lb.ft is not underpowered! By just about any measure (other than your grandads sidevalve Ford) it is a gutless performer - I know because I travelled the length and breadth of the country in one!

Because it was lively for what it was. Some of that is down to the gearing but the engine was very free revving in them too.

Skylinehead

johndaman66 wrote: »

He changed to a T250 Avensis presumably rather than a facelift T220 with a VVTI engine? I went from a 97' 1.6 Carina to a 01' 1.6 VVTI Avensis back in the day. While neither were rockets I found to Avensis to be the noticeably quicker of the 2. Drove a T250 04 1.6 Avensis briefly and found it to be noticeably slower than either, felt a lot heavier a car than either.


On a side note I would have considered the 01 Avensis to be the better car between the Carina and Avensis given its better overall driveability and smoothness. Just saying that because people rant and rave about the Carina for its reliability. While that's true, if you are prepared to discipline yourself with the Avensis and keep an eye on the oil I don't think there is any reason for it not to be as every bit as reliable as Carina. Yep the earlier VVTI's in particular did burn a drop of oil but not as much as they burnt petrol as some people would have you believe if you listened to their nonsense.

Yeah it was the T250. Nice car, but way too heavy for the engine.

fancy pigeon

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The carina e was really overrated. Ok it was probably one of the more reliable and better built cars out there at the time but it didn't hold a candle to it's predecessor the carina II for outright quality.

It's valentines day; perhaps a romantic candle lit dinner with a Carina 2 is in the pipeline?

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yeah it was the T250. Nice car, but way too heavy for the engine.

I found the 1.8 adequate myself at times

Maybe it's just me but €2500 for a make believe-o is a bit much... Unless I'm not seeing the bigger picture?