Iranian war mongering, and what not

mysterious

Since there is so much commotion on this. Another forum I was blocked:rolleyes:
But there has been less threads about the Iran US propaganda lately thankfully:D The zionists are behaving a little or re thinking their plans:rolleyes:

But just want to add, here. why I'm been blocked. Cus I quite literally cut through the bull**** and trivial nonsense that goes on this thread. Where people fight each other left and right whos right. Well I'm more interested whos playing the game here. The root of the problem.

• as I ruin the government agenda
• And I might wake people up to the agenda
• I'm just in that category of they want to block.

Anyhow on to the topic. It is very concering what the U.S government are doing in the last few years since Iran has dumped the dollar.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread438628/pg1

I could post the names on here, of the war mongers. There are people working for the government on that site. As many say it's the government that create conspiracy sites, so they can track and monitor what exactly are the masses saying;)

But every now and then, you head, axis of evil, bomb, W.M.Ds, weapons, all associated with Iran, what is the conspiracy

Thoughts please....

the_syco

LOL @ the thread you linked to. Someone posts a good source, and everyone says it's a conspiracy...

Iran is a funny country. Their military is pretty impressive, and they have made some impressive toys. They have built very nice fighter planes from scratch, so I see no reason why they couldn't build a nuke if they wanted to, esp as the information is out there to be used. As for NATO, NATO has stated that if it's members want to ship stuff through Iran to Iraq and Afghanistan, they don't like it, but won't mind.

meglome

mysterious wrote: »

• as I ruin the government agenda
• And I might wake people up to the agenda
• I'm just in that category of they want to block.

Anyhow on to the topic. It is very concering what the U.S government are doing in the last few years since Iran has dumped the dollar.

If it wasn't for you mysterious I don't know what I'd do :rolleyes: I assume the stuff above it a joke right? Feeling of massive self importance?

I wanna laugh when you say you cut through bull****, when you spread it on thick. I know we'll be back to me being all nasty towards you and you ignoring the substance of what I said but I'm sorry this post is a doozy.

mysterious

meglome wrote: »

If it wasn't for you mysterious I don't know what I'd do :rolleyes: I assume the stuff above it a joke right? Feeling of massive self importance?

I wanna laugh when you say you cut through bull****, when you spread it on thick. I know we'll be back to me being all nasty towards you and you ignoring the substance of what I said but I'm sorry this post is a doozy.

Meglome, well If i didn't cut through the bull****, wouldnt I be focusing on your rant:rolleyes:

mysterious

the_syco wrote: »

LOL @ the thread you linked to. Someone posts a good source, and everyone says it's a conspiracy...

Iran is a funny country. Their military is pretty impressive, and they have made some impressive toys. They have built very nice fighter planes from scratch, so I see no reason why they couldn't build a nuke if they wanted to, esp as the information is out there to be used. As for NATO, NATO has stated that if it's members want to ship stuff through Iran to Iraq and Afghanistan, they don't like it, but won't mind.

Ah see you miss the picture. (deep breath)
This is just one thread of many since 2007 war mongering.

Buuuuuuuut anway.
I'm asking for peoples thoughts, on Why USA are so eager to go in (I know the reasons) But I'm curious do people know themselves and yes there is a conspiracy

Thats is the precise reason I posted it.

meglome

Do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

Sofa_King Good

From todays Irish Times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0220/1224241488283.html


Report finds nuclear traces at Syrian site and enough uranium for Iran to build bomb
...But the report is likely to raise the already high tensions surrounding Iran’s nuclear programme.

However,

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) officials cautioned that there remained many obstacles to the production of a bomb, and yesterday’s report said Iran appeared to have slowed down the rate at which it is expanding its uranium enrichment capacity.

So we are all going to world war III because of a "theoretical ability". I

bonkey

meglome wrote: »

Do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

/puts hand up.

I'm mostly in favour of the idea, to be honest. I see it as a strong candidate for "least worst option".

mysterious

meglome wrote: »

Do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

Yes, why not.

If johnny has candy, then Mary can.

I ask you, why not?;)

Sofa_King Good

mysterious wrote: »

Yes, why not.

If johnny has candy, then Mary can.

I ask you, why not?;)

I agree. IT would level the playing field to some extent. In light of what has happened to other countries in region it would be crazy not to want one if only as a deterrent.

meglome

bonkey wrote: »

/puts hand up.

I'm mostly in favour of the idea, to be honest. I see it as a strong candidate for "least worst option".

In many ways you're right bonkey but I just can't bear the thought of another nation having nuclear weapons.

mysterious

meglome wrote: »

In many ways you're right bonkey but I just can't bear the thought of another nation having nuclear weapons.

Well, Im surprised you have a different reaction now than ealier.

But I asked you a question, you didnt answer my quote?

the_syco

As I've said, Iran is a funny country. It is in talks with various countries to provide a path of their supplies into Iraq and Afghanista, but it still gives weapons to terrorist groups against them. Suppose that is akin to how the US operated during WW2, supplying both sides.

mysterious

the_syco wrote: »

As I've said, Iran is a funny country. It is in talks with various countries to provide a path of their supplies into Iraq and Afghanista, but it still gives weapons to terrorist groups against them. Suppose that is akin to how the US operated during WW2, supplying both sides.

Sources please.

meglome

mysterious wrote: »

Well, Im surprised you have a different reaction now than ealier.

But I asked you a question, you didnt answer my quote?

After Iraq I'd have serious doubts if they'd go in. Send a few missiles in maybe.

mysterious

meglome wrote: »

After Iraq I'd have serious doubts if they'd go in. Send a few missiles in maybe.

Well the behaviour coming from the government up to last year is identical to that of pre Iraq. The way they had all the news networks spewing such

"As Iran danger threat to Americans freedom BREAKING NEWS"

Or
Alhamidinejad
Is a grave threat to the west in gaining nucs

Or
He can't be trusted, we will not have peace talks with this evil man

Or
Iran on the Axis of evil, a grave threat to humanity.


:rolleyes:
My brain bleeds when I hear such nonsense.
The greatest one was From bush himself.
When the Media were spewing at it's height.
Iran getting nucs will mean a WW3 :rolleyes:


But now, I'm not to sure what the plan is, they have seemed to have copped ont that people are not falling for the fear method.

Maybe they will plan another few buildings to knock, and this would be perfect opportunity for the American people to go cookoo into fear again.Honestly though, the US government would be even more concerned that Iran dropped the dollar than Iraq. Iran has even more oil and more money in this business than Iraq would have when it comes to trading the dollars.

The Iran war is the exact replica of Iraq, but it's a harder country to bully. That will be the only difference in this war, than that of Iraq. I just wanted to post this thread, to see if people were aware of the government's agenda


I'm quite impressed that you can all see it:)

espinolman

They want to bring Iran in line with the rest of the world , the same system everywhere in the world .

blackgold>>

espinolman wrote: »

They want to bring Iran in line with the rest of the world , the same system everywhere in the world .

bang on- good point

mysterious

espinolman wrote: »

They want to bring Iran in line with the rest of the world , the same system everywhere in the world .

Who "they"? and what do they want?

What exactly is the system, and whos system is it?

DubTony

meglome wrote: »

Do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

What a crazy idea. These are the people who propose wiping Israel off the face of the earth. How nice it would be to be sitting at a roadside cafe in Tel Aviv and not have to worry about car bombs and suicide bombers anymore. It'll be grand. The people of Israel can spend all day looking into the sky for nuclear missiles instead of wondering if that muslim looking fellah has a load of dynamite strapped to his arse.

espinolman

DubTony wrote: »

What a crazy idea. These are the people who propose wiping Israel off the face of the earth.

About ' Wiping Israel off the face of the earth' how do you know they said that , that could be war propaganda , I heard that Ahmadinejad actually said 'zionism will die away with the sands of time' and the controlled western media changed it to 'wipe israel off the map' , maybe he did say that I don't know but i would not take anything that i hear from the controlled mass media here in Ireland seriously.

the_syco

espinolman wrote: »

i would not take anything that i hear from the controlled mass media here in Ireland seriously.

Well, since the newspapers can be censored, the photo's photoshoped, videos edited, there's not a lot of information that you can trust, is there?

And yes, I'll get those links for you later.

Sofa_King Good

mysterious wrote: »

Who "they"? and what do they want?

What exactly is the system, and whos system is it?

For a start Rothschild Central Banks.
There are only a few states in the world left that aren't controlled.

http://www.rothschild.com/officesworldwide/#

Predominatly they will be the countries in the axis of evil.

North Korea, Venezuela recently bought up their debt after that you started to see them in the news. Cuba, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, and of course Iran...

And guess what. Iraq and Afganistan were another 2

mysterious

DubTony wrote: »

What a crazy idea. These are the people who propose wiping Israel off the face of the earth. How nice it would be to be sitting at a roadside cafe in Tel Aviv and not have to worry about car bombs and suicide bombers anymore. It'll be grand. The people of Israel can spend all day looking into the sky for nuclear missiles instead of wondering if that muslim looking fellah has a load of dynamite strapped to his arse.

See what I mean by conspiracy. people believe the mainstream media, without questioning.

That was debunked widely. It has been said on so many right far wing news stations with no back up or proof. Just like they lied about Iraq W.M.Ds


The Iraniian leader has already spoken about these accusations publically. As well as appearing at UN meetings. He said he has not stated that. He did say he didnt agree with Israel's behaviour although.

He also doesn't want to go to war with Israel, and anyway £what's is the point" He knows if he did, USA and the west would anilate Iran.

He isn't that stupid. Glad you brought up another topic that again is not accurate.:rolleyes:

Abovetopsecret.com has already debunked the claims of the Media stating the Iranian leader wants to wipe Israel so many times. It's just propaganda. They haven't played on this bandwagon as much recently as people have seem to have copped on to the whole war mongering.

Anything else? Whats crazy about Iran getting nucs, when USA a more war aggressive nation having nucs. Why can one country have one and another not. Where is the logic to this? Iran is not involved in wars. It doesnt have a dictatorship. It actually trades like a normal nation. The president of Iran is even decent and hold a democratic government. His behaviour going by actions is even impressive. The Iranian people are calm peacful people. They have no reason to attack Israel or USA. Infact I'm very impressed how calm he has been since he has been overtly threatened for two years by both Israel and USA. He has maintained his depositon.

There is no proof that they are specifically getting nucs. They have stated they want a nuclear enrichmen programe for building of nuclear power plants. They will be building them in the future as the oil will eventually run out.

I'm still confused why most people are been biased in this argument. Why USA have nucs and Iran not. Can we not look at this from a balanced outside point of view please?

mysterious

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

For a start Rothschild Central Banks.
There are only a few states in the world left that aren't controlled.

http://www.rothschild.com/officesworldwide/#

Predominatly they will be the countries in the axis of evil.

North Korea, Venezuela recently bought up their debt after that you started to see them in the news. Cuba, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, and of course Iran...

And guess what. Iraq and Afganistan were another 2

Thanks for clarifying that, I wanted to ask about "they".

So they are the decider who is good and whos evil.
I don't quite get this logic.

The axis of evil....................................... ... ...
Sofa you don't buy into this I'm sure?
This is classic divide and control method they are good and they are bad.

It's polarisation again. Like Democrats vs Republicans. Bill Maher vs Bill O'Rielly, USA vs Iran, East vs West on and on.

We as a human race like to divide each other for what? Who is really good and whos really bad, I don't see things like this. It's to dumb to me I'm afraid.

nyarlothothep

mysterious wrote: »

See what I mean by conspiracy. people believe the mainstream media, without questioning.

That was debunked widely. It has been said on so many right far wing news stations with no back up or proof. Just like they lied about Iraq W.M.Ds


The Iraniian leader has already spoken about these accusations publically. As well as appearing at UN meetings. He said he has not stated that. He did say he didnt agree with Israel's behaviour although.

He also doesn't want to go to war with Israel, and anyway £what's is the point" He knows if he did, USA and the west would anilate Iran.

He isn't that stupid. Glad you brought up another topic that again is not accurate.:rolleyes:

Abovetopsecret.com has already debunked the claims of the Media stating the Iranian leader wants to wipe Israel so many times. It's just propaganda. They haven't played on this bandwagon as much recently as people have seem to have copped on to the whole war mongering.

Anything else? Whats crazy about Iran getting nucs, when USA a more war aggressive nation having nucs. Why can one country have one and another not. Where is the logic to this? Iran is not involved in wars. It doesnt have a dictatorship. It actually trades like a normal nation. The president of Iran is even decent and hold a democratic government. His behaviour going by actions is even impressive. The Iranian people are calm peacful people. They have no reason to attack Israel or USA. Infact I'm very impressed how calm he has been since he has been overtly threatened for two years by both Israel and USA. He has maintained his depositon.

There is no proof that they are specifically getting nucs. They have stated they want a nuclear enrichmen programe for building of nuclear power plants. They will be building them in the future as the oil will eventually run out.

I'm still confused why most people are been biased in this argument. Why USA have nucs and Iran not. Can we not look at this from a balanced outside point of view please?

hmmm, Iran have made peaceful overtures as to their uranium enrichment plans, and they have been shot down on each consecutive occasion by America. They actually supported the idea of an international body to dispense enriched uranium for non military purposes to nation states but this was opposed by America. However their relations with Pakistan are turbulent no? Then again Pakistan shouldn't have nukes, there should be a global nuclear disarmanent program, I think it could be done if there were a lot of checks and balances, and done over a period of time to weed out error.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

The Iraniian leader has already spoken about these accusations publically. As well as appearing at UN meetings. He said he has not stated that. He did say he didnt agree with Israel's behaviour although.

You seem to accept the Iranian Govts. opinion. Why?

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

You seem to accept the Iranian Govts. opinion. Why?

I observe leaders actions over their words quicker. I take the actions of a government, very seriously in my view. Words is harder to differnciate, as lieing is easier. Actions and behaviour is not easy to hids. Thus the body can never lie. I judge people by their actions.

This tells me alot about a particular person.

I also have paid close attention the Iranian leader for two years. He always remained calm in almost every attrack from the bullies of the west. This is just behaviour I'm judging. It's a valid point in my mind. He's a very intellegent man. A leader many should look up too. He is up against the biggest crooks in the world such as the rothschild and many high ranking people in the west. He has great courage to stick by his country's interest and the interest of his people.

Also I see Iran like any up and comin country they want to trade, become stronger and what not. Why can't they. I don't agree with nucs.

But we live in a world where nucs is allowed. Either all nations have them, or all give them up.

I don't take my conclusions from the media. I observe exactly what I see in every aspect.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

I observe leaders actions over their words quicker.

I also have paid close attention the Iranian leader for two years. He always remained calm in almost every attrack from the bullies of the west. This is just behaviour I'm judging. It's a valid point in my mind.

Also I see Iran like any up and comin country they want to trade, become stronger and what not. Why can't they. I don't agree with nucs.

But we live in a world where nucs is allowed. Either all nations have them, or all give them up.

I don't take my conclusions from the media. I observe exactly what I see in every aspect.

I don't trust the Iranian illuminati.

I think the Iranian Govt. are suppressing the majority and are treating people like sheeple.

I Think the smart, calm leader of Iran is the same as Obama.

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

You seem to accept the Iranian Govts. opinion. Why?

Bear in mind, don't think I'm just accepting Iran over another government for that sake.

I'm just looking at Iran, like any country. I don't have all these silly notions that we are fed every day by the media

Pin anny len num = bad
Iran = bad
China = bad
Jen thing poo = bad

USA = good
Queen Elizabeth = good
Mary harney = good
Rich man = good

I don't have a brain that is black or white, nor do I follow the black and white **** we are common to be sucked into by the ELite.


You go and see for YOURSELF. YOU look at the reality in front of you. YOU dicern it YOURSELF. You come to your conclusions YOURSELF.

See if your dicerning of a particular issue is the same as that of the media! Try it. You will open your mind, into realising that your subconciously following and automatically beleving what is been said on the news whether you believe so or not.

Like for example. Iranian leader is bad, on RTE news yesterday. You might not believe it, but it will register in your subconcious mind automatically. So when you hear a conversation about Iran it's the first thing that will come to your mind, wheter true or not. You heeard on the T.V that Iran was bad.


I don't have an agenda. I'm not supporting Iran for the fun of it.

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

I don't trust the Iranian illuminati.

I think the Iranian Govt. are suppressing the majority and are treating people like sheeple.

I Think the smart, calm leader of Iran is the same as Obama.

So by action what has Iran done?

No its not. The Iranian leader is not like Obaama. ROFL. I wil discuss this tommorrow it's late.

Obama is smart, outwardly it's all show IMO. i dont find him smart in the same ranking of the Iranian leader i'm sorry. But that is just too silly.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

Bear in mind, don't think I'm just accepting Iran over another government for that sake.

I'm just looking at Iran, like any country. I don't have all these silly notions that we are fed every day by the media

Pin anny len num = bad
Iran = bad
China = bad
Jen thing poo = bad

USA = good
Queen Elizabeth = good
Mary harney = good
Rich man = good

I don't have a brain that is black or white, nor do I follow the black and white **** we are common to be sucked into by the ELite.


You go and see for YOURSELF. YOU look at the reality in front of you. YOU dicern it YOURSELF. You come to your conclusions YOURSELF.

See if your dicerning of a particular issue is the same as that of the media! Try it. You will open your mind, into realising that your subconciously following and automatically beleving what is been said on the news whether you believe so or not.

Like for example. Iranian leader is bad, on RTE news yesterday. You might not believe it, but it will register in your subconcious mind automatically. So when you hear a conversation about Iran it's the first thing that will come to your mind, wheter true or not. You heeard on the T.V that Iran was bad.


I don't have an agenda. I'm not supporting Iran for the fun of it.

I don't think because the USA are bad or whatever, Iran should equal them. I think Iran is decent, so no nuclear weapons.

I think USA = Bad

UK = Satan

China = bad

Iran = thorn in the side of the USA, but not good.

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

I don't think because the USA are bad or whatever, Iran should equal them. I think Iran is decent, so no nuclear weapons.

I think USA = Bad

UK = Satan

China = bad

Iran = thorn in the side of the USA, but not good.

So if Iran doesn't defend itself. What should it do, despite been more of the adult in the USA - Israel vs Iran context.

Iran's agenda it wants to protect itself from zionism. Israel wants to take over the ME.

You can't blame the Iranians in this regard. They have been bullied straight for two years now.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

So if Iran doesn't defend itself. What should it do, despite been more of the adult in the USA - Israel vs Iran context.

Iran's agenda it wants to protect itself from zionism. Israel wants to take over the ME.

You can't blame the Iranians in this regard. They have been bullied straight for two years now.

Does Israel have Nuclear weapons?

Iran are leading sheeple.

Vadrefjorde

Israel has nuclear weapons.

Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, but Russia will provide them long range anti-ballistic missiles which will really mess up the current playing field for our Global friends.

I wish people would stop looking at the news and instead read between the lines at the bigger picture

Here's a good question , why has oil gone from $147 a barrel to $34?
Who would this hurt?
Why would there be a reason to hurt those trading nations?
Try to look at the bigger picture!

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

Does Israel have Nuclear weapons?

Iran are leading sheeple.

You can say the same about every couuntry in the world. But your views do seem more biased and western based:rolleyes:

Seriously Iran is a country, that is not BAD, it wants to break free from ZIONISM, CONTROL OF THE WEST and BE FREE.

Iran doesn't want to Attack Israel, It does not want to attack America. The people of Iran support their Iranian leader. Firstly there is no point, secondly the Iranian government had said it doesnt' want to go to war with Israel and would rather have diplomatic talks instead. Why are you so threatened by Iran getting nucs? Esepecially given the fact that Isreal has already??

Saudi Arabia does alot of more serious ****, and no one seems to be bothered about it. Israel was literally given nucs by America. And many countries throughout the world have nucs. Some are gaining them, some are hiding them.

The fact remains, Either all has them, or all has none. I don't see why Iran is so bad?? They just don't want to be controlled by the rothschilds and ruling families that basically own the world.


Try think of been in Irans shoes for once, and actually stop watching the news, and stop feeding into what the west think.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

You can say the same about every couuntry in the world. But your views do seem more biased and western based:rolleyes:

Seriously Iran is a country, that is not BAD, it wants to break free from ZIONISM, CONTROL OF THE WEST and BE FREE.

Iran doesn't want to Attack Israel, It does not want to attack America. The people of Iran support their Iranian leader. Firstly there is no point, secondly the Iranian government had said it doesnt' want to go to war with Israel and would rather have diplomatic talks instead. Why are you so threatened by Iran getting nucs? Esepecially given the fact that Isreal has already??

Saudi Arabia does alot of more serious ****, and no one seems to be bothered about it. Israel was literally given nucs by America. And many countries throughout the world have nucs. Some are gaining them, some are hiding them.

The fact remains, Either all has them, or all has none. I don't see why Iran is so bad?? They just don't want to be controlled by the rothschilds and ruling families that basically own the world.


Try think of been in Irans shoes for once, and actually stop watching the news, and stop feeding into what the west think.

Any links for all of this or is it just opinion?

K-9

Vadrefjorde wrote: »

Here's a good question , why has oil gone from $147 a barrel to $34?
Who would this hurt?
Why would there be a reason to hurt those trading nations?
Try to look at the bigger picture!

Why did it go from $28 to $152?

espinolman

mysterious wrote: »

Try think of been in Irans shoes for once, and actually stop watching the news, and stop feeding into what the west think.

A couple of years ago before i had the internet , i used to be into the mainstream news , i'd listen to what was being said about Ahmadinejad and it just was so obvious that it was propaganda .

Vadrefjorde

K-9 wrote: »

Why did it go from $28 to $152?

Actually it didn't go from $28 to $152.
It went from $86 to $147 if you are referring to the low prior to the current price suppression
But that's neither here nor there. We're commited to splitting hairs again instead of looking at the bigger picture i see :P

Ok try to think about these seperate news events and try to join the dots to make the bigger picture

No.1

“A cherished contact with deep global experience had some very strong words about Davos and the Putin Blueprint. He made additional comments about the Wen trip across major European capitals. In an important message, he said, ‘Read in between the lines of Putin’s speech and you find all the hints you want. The Chinese and Russians are burying the US alive. The Japanese, Germans, and Gulf States keep a very low profile for the moment. The decisions have been made: wait for 2010. They will use the unfolding chaos to introduce the new currency basket and trade rules… There is a brand new system being designed that will borrow from the past and apply 21st century tools for barter / counter trade / excess capacity etc. An Exchange Platform will cut out the banks altogether… [Chinese Premier] Wen delivered his speech in Davos and went straight to Berlin where they put the final touch on the new world currency basket, sponsored by Berlin-Moscow-Beijing-Tokyo-Riyadh. Moscow and Berlin already have a massive counter trade / barter trade agreement in place, and Beijing was eager to joint that platform as well.’”

No.2

Vladimir Putin addresses DAVOS 2009:

Putin’s model :

“ 1. Get real and declare hopeless debt securities as bad assets, and write them off. The current crisis will only be prolonged unless the balance sheets are cleaned up. A liquidation process is essential. (The refusal for banks to come clean has resulted in extreme constipation for the credit system, while the patient slowly falls into mud.)

2. Get rid of virtual money, exaggerated reports, and dubious credit ratings on financial securities. He wishes for fundamental asset values to be determined by the ability to generate added value, apart from subjective models. (He refers indirectly to credit derivatives and futures contracts, the artificial mechanisms to control price structures, those onerous devices that act as pseudo-money.)

3. Get away from the single reserve currency system, which he regards as dangerous. Instead, install several strong reserve currencies in a smooth and irreversible switch. (This is the unofficial death knell of the USDollar itself, for alternatives in usage.)

4. Get currency reliability for foreign reserves management, which can be used by other states. This can be achieved by enabling more open monetary policies, and enforcing economic and financial discipline. (This will enable regional stability and cooperation.)”

No.3

Russia has been floating the idea of a gold-backed rouble. If Russia does opt to back their currency with gold, it would surely establish the rouble as the most trustworthy currency in the world, and also cause other nations with the ability to create intrinsically valued currencies to follow suit.

No.4

Hillary Clinton pleads with China to buy US Treasuries as Japan looks on 23/02/09

No.5

http://www.heritage.org/Research/RussiaandEurasia/bg2235.cfm

No.5 is of particular note as it is the primary reason for the suppression in oil prices. If you take a step back and look at the bigger picture you come to see a playing field on a global level.
You will also note that Venezuela/Iran/Russia/China/Brazil etc. have all already stopped trading crude in dollars. The suppression of the oil market is a means to keep at bay or bankrupt these rogues :P
For our economist readers out there what effect would a non-fiat currency appearing on the world market have .
What happens to a $787 billion stimulus plan if China doesn't buy treasury paper?
:eek: Wait a sec did i see Berlin in there? Surely that means Europe and the euro right?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Hhmm there's no mention of Germany not baling out all the rest of us lame EMU ducks on the news :P:P
Angela has a back-up plan after all

K-9

Vadrefjorde wrote: »

Actually it didn't go from $28 to $152.
It went from $86 to $147 if you are referring to the low prior to the current price suppression
But that's neither here nor there. We're commited to splitting hairs again instead of looking at the bigger picture i see :P

Excuse me, answer the question if it's only splitting hairs.

You asked why have oil prices dramatically dropped, I asked why did the dramatically rise. You brought it up, not me.

Vadrefjorde

K-9 wrote: »

Excuse me, answer the question if it's only splitting hairs.

You asked why have oil prices dramatically dropped, I asked why did the dramatically rise. You brought it up, not me.

I asked why they had dropped because it is directly related to the OP's post.
Your question is in no way related to the OP's post and would do little more than detract from the subject of the thread.
My point about the current oil price suppression is 100% related to this thread, a debate on oil prices inflating in 2008 has 0% relation to this thread.

Why don't you start a thread entitled:
"Manipulation of crude oil trading and their role in the future carbon tax"
You see it's a double edged sword for our friends who oppose non-dollar crude trade, because it's the same people who much cherish the idea of carbon tax

K-9

Vadrefjorde wrote: »

I asked why they had dropped because it is directly related to the OP's post.
Your question is in no way related to the OP's post and would do little more than detract from the subject of the thread.
My point about the current oil price suppression is 100% related to this thread, a debate on oil prices inflating in 2008 has 0% relation to this thread.

Why don't you start a thread entitled:
"Manipulation of crude oil trading and their role in the future carbon tax"
You see it's a double edged sword for our friends who oppose non-dollar crude trade, because it's the same people who much cherish the idea of carbon tax

OK, You attach a significance to oil rises dropping as part of a conspiracy or plan, yet side step the fact they they went up dramatically previously.

Okee dokey.

What role does OPEC play in all of this?

Vadrefjorde

Short answer so as to why oil went up. Same reason gold will go up this week

K-9

Vadrefjorde wrote: »

Short answer so as to why oil went up. Same reason gold will go up this week

So this conspiracy against these countries by reducing oil only started in the last 7/8 months?

Vadrefjorde

On the contrary you were told over 5 years ago that oil prices would be used against these countries. By told i mean your usual "CT nutbars" started to talk a lot more about Lindsey Williams assertions about the energy crisis
Oil prices alone wouldn't exactly cut it though as i guess you've figured out which is where the "Economic crisis" comes in :P

K-9

Vadrefjorde wrote: »

On the contrary you were told over 5 years ago that oil prices would be used against these countries. By told i mean your usual "CT nutbars" started to talk a lot more about Lindsey Williams assertions about the energy crisis
Oil prices alone wouldn't exactly cut it though as i guess you've figured out which is where the "Economic crisis" comes in :P

Nah, I was just pointing out the inconsistency that prices did rise dramatically for a while and also the accepted peak oil argument etc.

Also OPEC are a cartel that have power over oil prices and supply. To ignore that would be silly.

I do believe there is a Washington hawkish element that will fight the Dollar being replaced by the Euro as the world currency, these elements raised their heads during Lisbon and did interfere in the campaign.

Vadrefjorde

Actually the euro isn't going to be the world currency but thats another story
How do you bankrupt OPEC? You give them money for things they don't need :P
What things don't they need? Ghost towns in the middle of nowhere (Dubai)
How do you do that? You give them $8 billion loans through citigroup. Why through citigroup? Because that way you don't have to pay it back . You're going to own citigroup in the future anyways
What do you do then? You suppress the price of oil of course
What you are seeing here in the bigger picture is the great US of A in a last ditch effort to make sure none of the rest of the OPEC members abandon the mighty ship USdollar.
Oops look Nigeria jumped ship now too

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

Any links for all of this or is it just opinion?

it's paying attention to the world for the last 8 years.
I look at every picture, every source, everything on the net. I ask people.

I get alot of my sources from people who actually live in the ME too.

I even sometimes look at fox news/CNN, just to see what kinda of bullcrap they spew to the sheep. It gives me great awareness.

mysterious

Its going to happen. USA is a sinking ship and every billion dollar business man on it are having panick attacks on it. They are screaming for cattle to fight for their businesses.

The dollar is bye bye.

Iran says bye bye.

The billion dollar business men, say look Iran has big effing nucs, go take them out. Sheep say bah bah bah

We were in Iraq bah bah bah. You lied to us.

This is whats going on. The dollar is screwed. Thats why there is war going on!

K-9

What are you on about?

Mutton dressed as lamb?