Increasing socialist/left wing ideology

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CiaranC

So you advocate the abolition of income tax?

I know (hope) you are arguing from a theoretical position, but I think that would cause a few practical issues.

nesf

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The idea of even less regulation in the financial sector as a solution to rampant cronyism and corruption is laughable to be honest.

Arguably the scope for corruption and cronyism is what makes regulation so ineffective a lot of the time. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Not that I'm in favour of an unregulated financial sector or anything.

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Nodin

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We aren't going to have to familiarise ourselves with the writings of eminent 20th Century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand, are we?

OhNoYouDidn't

Nodin wrote: »

We aren't going to have to familiarise ourselves with the writings of eminent 20th Century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand, are we?

Don't waste your bandwith, he is calling Hitler a socialist on another thread.

CiaranC

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LOL, this will probably be my last post on this thread.

I would point you toward our outstanding national debt for a start. Are we to simply say "ah no lads, weve given up all that centralised government lark so we wont be paying you back".

You are living in a simplistic fantasy world and it would be amusing if it wasnt a little sad.

Diogenes

Diogenes is playing a rhetorical game.

Really? Am I? I thought I was simply asking for the names of the right wing intellectuals we don't see on RTE.

I was also asking you for your definition of Right Wing Libertarian.

I cannot see how you can possibly misinterpret either of those as a rhetorical question. Your prevarication is now becoming tiresome.

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Yes. I favour a very low tax on consumption of luxury goods. That is all.

Yes because what we need right now is cheap foie gra and louis vutton.

asdasd

He insists that the term "right-wing intellectual" is an oxymoron; but then demands a list of purported "censored" figures so that he can prove that they aren't right-wing, aren't intellectuals, or don't merit mention.

He moved away from the first position. He then asks for the list of censored intellectuals who would fit your definition of right wing , and be available for comment.

Since your definition of right-wing seems to only apply to libertarians, and Ireland has no libertarians that you can name ( since you haven't) logic would imply that RTE is not being censorious in not giving these non existent right-wingers time to talk.

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P. Breathnach

asdasd wrote: »

Since your definition of right-wing seems to only apply to libertarians, and Ireland has no libertarians that you can name ( since you haven't) logic would imply that RTE is not being censorious in not giving these non existent right-wingers time to talk.

I am sure donegalfella would make himself available to RTE to put forward his libertarian position.

My radio has a very useful switch that enables me to turn it off.

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Diogenes

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proportionally to what exactly?

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Diogenes

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I was referring to the proportion of a persons salary, as say some right wing libertarian's prefer a flat tax on income.

PS found those names yet?

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Diogenes

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Not to point out, another, inconsistency on your part, but;

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So you prefer low taxes on ferraris and quail eggs but high taxes on bread, heating and gruel?

Aren't you getting tired of this yet?

If you would just admit that there isn't a conspiracy on RTE's part to silence a cabal of brilliant right wing intellectuals, we could let it drp.

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Diogenes

donegalfella wrote: »

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Now you are flatly contradicting yourself.

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I prefer a tax on consumption, since I think its fairer to tax people on what they spend rather than on what they earn.

So to be clear you're advocating no income tax, no sales tax aside from minimum tax on luxury goods.

That is your formulation, not mine. What I've said is that RTÉ has done nothing whatsoever to represent the libertarian position on the issue, taking it as axiomatic that rampant state intervention in the economy is required.

They've also not rushed to give the Irish Communist Party, or the Irish Anarchist Movement, or Justin Barrett's crowd equal air time.

You started by saying that there's no "Right Wing Intellectuals" on RTE, you're now basically saying that you're outraged that your own extreme ideology isn't given a fair say in this debate. It's obscure and it's obtuse because it lacks popular support, and it lacks popular support because you cannot create a coherent policy on a webforum post.

nesf

And around in circles we go again, this thread is rapidly progressing to the point of being locked if you people don't get back on topic.

OhNoYouDidn't

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Thats not what you started out saying.

But when you put it like that, yes, RTE have not taken a lunatic fringe economic position not taken up by any political party or economic / social commentator of note and given it airtime.

irish_bob

rte do allow ( right wing ) economist speak on thier shows

moore mc dowell and that russian guy , constant gurdiev or something , the russian guy appears on newstalk more often though

i do belive that rte leans left though and they have been very biased towards the public sector over the pension levy debate just as they were very biased towards the pensioners last autumn , the joe duffy show practically spearheaded the grey campaign

Diogenes

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Funnily enough, the name rang a bell, turns out I used to date his editor.

irish_bob

Diogenes wrote: »

Funnily enough, the name rang a bell, turns out I used to date his editor.

your not serious

i bought a car off his brother in law

it was a ford mondeo

FlutterinBantam

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Good point there.

You see it's much easier to be left wing and radical when one is embedded in the many arms of the state where despite abysmal personal performance ,it is impossible to be sacked from or let go.

Check out where almost all the unrest and "anger " has emanated from over the past few years.

Aer Lingus
Aer Rianta
Dublin Bus
Public service
HSE nurses
Teachers.
Consultants in the HSE

Now have you ever asked yourself what in general all those organisations have in common?
You don't need the Flutt. to tell you.

I listened to the rejected rhetoric and rejected idealogy of Joe Higgins on Newstalk this morning and I almost fell around the place laughing at his "nationalise everything" stance.
Sure Joe, nationalise everything and endure unrest aggro anger every few months at inflated rates of pay for poor production and feather a nest for wasters and chronic idlers to wallow in firm in the knowledge that they cannot be touched and will call the "brothers 2 out if any finger is laid on them.

Great Joe, that's the answer,and I hope the populace give you another decisive metaphorical shoe in the plums come the European elections.

Time for reality folks.

irish_bob

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Good point there.

You see it's much easier to be left wing and radical when one is embedded in the many arms of the state where despite abysmal personal performance ,it is impossible to be sacked from or let go.

Check out where almost all the unrest and "anger " has emanated from over the past few years.

Aer Lingus
Aer Rianta
Dublin Bus
Public service
HSE nurses
Teachers.
Consultants in the HSE

Now have you ever asked yourself what in general all those organisations have in common?
You don't need the Flutt. to tell you.

I listened to the rejected rhetoric and rejected idealogy of Joe Higgins on Newstalk this morning and I almost fell around the place laughing at his "nationalise everything" stance.
Sure Joe, nationalise everything and endure unrest aggro anger every few months at inflated rates of pay for poor production and feather a nest for wasters and chronic idlers to wallow in firm in the knowledge that they cannot be touched and will call the "brothers 2 out if any finger is laid on them.

Great Joe, that's the answer,and I hope the populace give you another decisive metaphorical shoe in the plums come the European elections.

Time for reality folks.

the only way joe higgins idea of ireland could work is if we had a strongman in place where individual freedoms were greatly diminished in order to administer equality across the board , sure incomes might be more evenly spread out but your average nurse or guard would be on about 5 k a year , somehow i dont think those on the streets last week want that

Red Sleeping Beauty

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Is there a likelihood that Ireland could vote in a Sinn Fein/Labour coalition in the next election if the situation continues to deteriorate? What effect would the ensuing policies of high taxation on the rich, high corporate taxs etc have on the countries economy?

Sinn Fein, socialist ?

Might be worthy of note - Joe Higgins lost his seat last time around - who's going to vote him (or someone like him or from his "fake" party) back in ?

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We must each be watching a different RTE
RTE have given FF a platform like no other. Their recent interview with Mr Cowen (this weekend) was a hoax. It looked far too staged and Cowen clearly new all the questions beforehand.

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I wonder though, if there was a General Election coming up... just who would people vote for "of the left".

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P. Breathnach

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I regard FF as being left, right, and centre -- the "whatever you're having yourself" party. Most of our parties (indeed, most of our politicians) are of that ilk to some extent.

But I think donegalfella's idea of the centre is a long way from where I might see it.

irish_bob

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I regard FF as being left, right, and centre -- the "whatever you're having yourself" party. Most of our parties (indeed, most of our politicians) are of that ilk to some extent.

But I think donegalfella's idea of the centre is a long way from where I might see it.

i agree with this apraisal of what fianna fail are

thier populists through and through but they are merley are reflection of most irish people