Any hope of Dunne v Munroe if they both win

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

Oh you would justify any of your comments, David Martinez, Veronin, Pickering, Walstad, they were not tomato cans!Unless you are judging them by your ever so high standards.
Why do you pick out one example of why I believe that you dislike (ok not hate, that is too strong a word) Dunne, I am basing my assumptions about your stance on Dunne on EVERYTHING you say about him! Not just one isolated comment.
I could go back and find every post to prove my point but I have neither the time or the inclination.

Accuse me of hating a person again and a ban may come your way.
I don't hate him. And I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't go spouting that
sh!t on the web. That's personal!

If hate is too strong a word, why the fuc& do you keep using it?

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Accuse me of hating a person again and a ban may come your way.
I don't hate him. And I'd appreciate if you weren't spouting that
sh!t on the web. That's personal!

If hate is too strong a word, why the fuc& do you keep using it?

Did I not just say "NOT HATE"?! What is your problem?! You threaten to ban me when I just said that it seems like you DISLIKE him, NOT HATE!!!
Power trip anyone?!

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

Did I not just say "NOT HATE"?! What is your problem?! You threaten to ban me when I just said that it seems like you DISLIKE him, NOT HATE!!!
Power trip anyone?!

I did note that. However, only NOW are you coming to your senses.
As for power trip. To date, I have banned ZERO people.
You accussed me several times of HATING someone?
That's ****ed up and personal. I am tolerant and yet you
insist on bating with this HATE card? Jimmy and others, including
Cowzerp, have said many times that it is not the case.

Does Cowzerp hate Calzaghe because he doesn't rate him high and
thinks his punching technique is poor and all the other stuff?

No, he does not. He has no reason to. It's his honest view of the fighter

If they understand, why can't you. Anyway, you have been warned.
I could have been a dick and just banned you straight away, like many
many on boards.ie would.

Keep it civil, polite and respectful and don't accuse me of HATING.

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

I did note that. However, only NOW are you coming to your senses.
As for power trip. To date, I have banned ZERO people.
You accussed me several times of HATING someone?
That's ****ed up and personal. I am tolerant and yet you
insist on bating with this HATE card? Jimmy and others, including
Cowzerp have said many times that It is not true.

If they understand, why can't you. Anyway, you have been warned.
I could have been a dick and just banned you straight away, like many
many on boards.ie would.

Keep it civil, polite and respectful and don't accuse me of HATING.

**** this ****, I will just go post on a forum not moderated by people like you who do not let others express their opinion.
Funny how you threaten to ban me when I bring up all your other post about Dunne, oh and have you threatened to ban TKO or Alanceltic because they have accused you of the same thing in the past?
Maybe boards need higher standards when selecting moderaters!

walshb

Express their opinion is one thing, accusing people of HATING is not what I would call okay. So, go and post elsewhere then.

alanceltic and me don't see eye to eye on Dunne; he may have accussed me
of hating in the past, he doesn't now. So, you did in the past and now you
can change that. You insist on spreading lies about me on the site and I will
ban you. What's unreasonable about that?
BTW, you obviously haven't a clue about the mods
on boards.ie; they ban for absoloute anthing. Even disagreeing with them
can get you a ban.

BTW, TKO has NOT accussed me recently at all.
Should he or anyone spread lies about me or anyone on the site, a ban
would be enforced. I think that's fair and protects all!

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

No, but I did use the legit term, interim. Is that correct?

It was a hand me down belt. Cabarello discraded it didn't he?

Then Resto and Cardoba fought for it. I wonder if these two were the TOP
2 in the WBA ratings at the time. It only seems RIGHT that a belt handed down or vacated should be contested by the top two contenders in the belts division. Anyone any info on this?

C'mon, I am not asking for much by at least wanting a vacated belt to be fought for by the TOP 2 in the ratings of that division.

Big Ears, mate, any info on this?

Caballero was the WBA champion or WBA 'regular' champion if you will.
Cordoba while ranked #2 was handed the WBA interim title. Luis Perez was #9 at the time. Cordoba then fought Perez the month later with Perez ranked #10. Caballero defeated Elvis Mejia(who really was an awful awful challenge) on the same card as that. So why there was a need for an interim title bar more sanctioning fees I don't know.

Cordoba beat Molitor and became the Super Champion and thus the WBA 'regular' title becomes vacant. Now Cordoba as interim champion automatically assumed the role of 'regular' champion. He is no longer an interim champion. In the past the WBA have amazingly had a Super Champion, a regular champion and an interim champion all in the same division !

Actually the reason the WBA gave Cordoba the interim title is they knew the title would be vacant soon and that way they'd be able to give the title to a South American(who the WBA favour) and not be forced to have Poonsawat Kratingdaeng fight Cordoba for the title. The Thai's side would of won the purse bids and that'd make a win for Cordoba very very hard.


But when you say Dunne doesn't deserve a title you can't talk about it like there's only one title and he's the one getting to fight the champion. You have to take boxing for the way it is and in a 5 belt World that we are often encountered with, Dunne fighting for the least important title is deserved.
The IBO's independent rankings are the best around imo and they've got Dunne at #21. That's a ranking I agree with and I think it sounds about right.
Cordoba is #9 by the way. Which once again is about right. So the #21 fighter in the World fighting the #9 for what is really the chance to be a better contender(because with all the belts going around claiming your 'the World champion' would be kind of stupid) than most others. He does indeed deserve that chance.

Once again I re-iterate, don't threat it like there's only one World title and he's fighting for it, he's not. He's just a voluntary defence for the 5th best one out there.

walshb

Big Ears, thanks. So, Resto was number 9?
This is what irritates me. Cardoba should have been
made fight for the title agaisnt the best in the WBA ratings next
to him

I did mention the bloody mess boxing is in with 5 men calling themselves
world champion, and then ridiculous non top ten rated fighters getting shots.
The whole sport needs a revamp. It's not right as far as I can see

BTW, I know that Cardoba is NO LONGER the interim champ; but the belt
was a hand me down so to speak. It's all bloody ploitics

The real key to your post is the IBO rankings which
overall rates the boxers? So, Dunne is 21 and Cardoba 9 and
this is world title stuff?

foams

We are all irish here and hope Bernard wins because
it would be great for irish boxing. Bernard as stated has never
fought the top guys in his division and has done well to get title
shot, and is a bit of a chancer but best of luck to him.

cowzerp

Duddyfan wrote: »

**** this ****, I will just go post on a forum not moderated by people like you who do not let others express their opinion.!

Duddy if you have that attitude i would say do that, bren expressed a different opinion to you and you got the hump, he gives reasoning for why he is not a dunne fan, i may not agree with all but no he is given his honest opinion.

Duddyfan wrote: »

****
Maybe boards need higher standards when selecting moderaters!

As he said-he banned no people off the board and was a popular choice when he was selected, im not a mod but would of given you a ban if you spoke to me like that if i was, lay off the personal stuff and focus on your opinions and all will be fine..

walshb

foams wrote: »

We are all irish here and hope Bernard wins because
it would be great for irish boxing. Bernard as stated has never
fought the top guys in his division and has done well to get title
shot, and is a bit of a chancer but best of luck to him.

Well said, but when I say this, I am accussed of HATING Dunne?:rolleyes:

Lets all agree that we're all looking forward to the bout and will discuss
its aftermath, AFTER!

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

alanceltic and me don't see eye to eye on Dunne; he may have accussed me
of hating in the past, he doesn't now.

did somebody call me????? lol

I have been trying my best not to get drawn on this thread because we have VERY conflicting views on Dunne, I really did hope walshb that you would jump on the bandwagon and fly the irish flag for one of our own but if you genuinely reflect on the tone in your posts you will see that you are still being very very negative and scrapeing the bottom of the barrell to discredit this fight even before it starts and thats disappointing considering you were so critical of previous opponents.

You know how I love to stick closely with the facts ;

Fact 1 in order to be eligible for a title shot you have to be top 15 (dunne is and not just in the WBA rankings so no scam here), you might not like this policy but its the same all over, dont discredit his eligibility when its the same for everyone else. He has earned this ranking by beating ranked fighters you might not rate them personally but their ranking were about right at the time he fought them.

Fact 2 in order to secure a title shot its all about €€€€€ wether you like it or not, Dunnes camp are fronting up the cash so you cant have any complaints here. It is no surprise that Dunne finds himself in this position as it didnt happen by accident, he dragged boxing into the mainstream and it is this cash that has facilitated this so again no scam here just plain old fashioned hard work and is a small payback to him for what he has done for the sport in this country wether you like it or not.

Fact 3 Cordoba is a more than worthy champion even if he acquired the title via the interim route, the fact that he has beaten the so called Super Champ in Caballero only strenghtens this point further

Now I know you have reservations about a lot of things and dont rate his chances and i respect a different opinion but please please please dont state that he doesnt deserve a shot and please dont also try and discredit the current champion. We all know that the sport is not perfect, in an ideal world we would have one organisation but if Dunne wins this he will be as legitimate a champion as Collins/Eubank & McGuigan and I dont like the way you are trying to discredit either his eligability to contest this fight or the current champion as it smacks of a word i wont use...lol

PS i agree that hate is a strong word and only you can refute this but you have to look at WHY other people (not just me) are saying this to you and hopefully the points I have made will give you a better idea of why your comments might be irritating some people.

PS since when did u fall off the Dunne bandwagon???? i taught i had you won over?????

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

did somebody call me????? lol

I have been trying my best not to get drawn on this thread because we have VERY conflicting views on Dunne, I really did hope walshb that you would jump on the bandwagon and fly the irish flag for one of our own but if you genuinely reflect on the tone in your posts you will see that you are still being very very negative and scrapeing the bottom of the barrell to discredit this fight even before it starts and thats disappointing considering you were so critical of previous opponents.

You know how I love to stick closely with the facts ;

Fact 1 in order to be eligible for a title shot you have to be top 15 (dunne is and not just in the WBA rankings so no scam here), you might not like this policy but its the same all over, dont discredit his eligibility when its the same for everyone else. He has earned this ranking by beating ranked fighters you might not rate them personally but their ranking were about right at the time he fought them.

Fact 2 in order to secure a title shot its all about €€€€€ wether you like it or not, Dunnes camp are fronting up the cash so you cant have any complaints here. It is no surprise that Dunne finds himself in this position as it didnt happen by accident, he dragged boxing into the mainstream and it is this cash that has facilitated this so again no scam here just plain old fashioned hard work and is a small payback to him for what he has done for the sport in this country wether you like it or not.

Fact 3 Cordoba is a more than worthy champion even if he acquired the title via the interim route, the fact that he has beaten the so called Super Champ in Caballero only strenghtens this point further

Now I know you have reservations about a lot of things and dont rate his chances and i respect a different opinion but please please please dont state that he doesnt deserve a shot and please dont also try and discredit the current champion. We all know that the sport is not perfect, in an ideal world we would have one organisation but if Dunne wins this he will be as legitimate a champion as Collins/Eubank & McGuigan and I dont like the way you are trying to discredit either his eligability to contest this fight or the current champion as it smacks of a word i wont use...lol

PS i agree that hate is a strong word and only you can refute this but you have to look at WHY other people (not just me) are saying this to you and hopefully the points I have made will give you a better idea of why your comments might be irritating some people.

PS since when did u fall off the Dunne bandwagon???? i taught i had you won over?????

alan, me too sticks to the facts. All I ever said was Dunne has not beaten a top ten rated fighter ever and I do believe that EVERY boxer in order to be eligible for a world title should at least first break into the top ten. That's all.
I don't see what is NEGATIVE about this at all.

I will fly the flag and will cheer him on. It will not be a case of walshb was
wrong. So far, I have said NOTHING untrue. I have stated facts and opinions and views. Some are HARD facts and others are a matter of opinion.

Lets wait and see alan

I was never on his bandwagon:D

Him deserving a shot is a matter of opinion. You are stating
it like it's fact, when you say "please don't state that he doesn't deserve
a shot". I wonder what the top ten rated guys think? The guys all ahead
in the pecking order. Would they have your view? I doubt it

You think he deserves a shot. I don't. I am happy he got it.Again, they
are TWO different views. Glad and NOT DESERVING

And the word HATE is a ridiculous word in this instance and an insulting
word and a nasty word. I do take offence to it and think
it is thrown around far too easily. I know you
haven't said it. alan, I never ever met the chap. How
teh hell could one hate someone that they never met, plus
he comes across good on the tv. I like his attitude

sston

walshb wrote: »

And the word HATE is a ridiculous word in this instance and an insulting word and a nasty word. I do take offence to it and think it is thrown around far too easily.

Yet it's fine to call most of Dunne's opponents "tomato cans" which you have done in this thread and a number of times previously. I think that's an insulting and nasty phrase but for me it's another example of your double standards when it comes to discussing Dunne.

By the way I don't think Dunne deserves a world title fight either but as I've said before neither do 90% of the challengers these days. Look at Jennings and Rubio last weekend. Both of those were far less entitled to a shot than Dunne. That, like it or lump it is the state of boxing these days.

I also think it's a little unfair to try and belittle the title Dunne's fighting for or the quality of Cordoba. For me he's a great fighter and at only 24 I believe he could go on to be a great world champ. He beat Caballero when he was only 20 and knocked him down on route to a convincing points win.

If Dunne was to beat him and unfortunately for Bernard I think it's highly unlikely then I think it would be a huge achievement because Cordoba has most definitely proven himself to be a truly world class fighter.

joepenguin

The way things are "world title" belts signify that the fighter who has it is a top tier fighter in a given division and should be taken seriously. Usually at least a top ten fighter who has one also. Fact is Dunne is getting the chance to win a world title and enter the top ten of boxings most stacked division. Thats an unbelievable oppurtunity. He is as deserving of his shot as at least half of the world title challengers out there. Eevn when there was only 8 divisions and one title #1 didnt always fight #2, no matter how great the champion. Correct me if I am wrong.

alanceltic

walshb I am not saying there arent some boxers (not many though if you look at who is officially ranked higher than him) who will feel they should be getting a shot ahead of dunne HOWEVER the point I am simply making is that he is ranked top15 and on this basis alone he is deserving of a title shot regardless of anything anybody says. To simply trot out that he doesnt deserve his shot is very disenginious and this I think is what is irking some people and it makes you look like you have a personal agenda at play as there is no other reason for it especially given your long standing negativity towards Dunne. You dont rate him on a personal level and thats fine but when people hear stuff like not deserving of a shot and not a "real" title shot it does beg the question...

Now back to the rankings...if you ask me these rules are fair enough and they are consistent across the board (EBU included), you will always get one or two dodgy rankings but the fact that Dunne was raked top 15 with the WBA & WBC gives his ranking a bit more credability and thats even with Munroe & Martinez ahead of him which is another discussion completely. To contrast Dunne with Duddy as has been previously mentioned, is one more deserving over another?? Duddy is #3 with the WBC, which top10 ranked fighters has he beated to get to #3 and a likely title shot (but you probably dont mind duddy getting a shot because he doesnt bother you in the way that dunne does) i mean he is ranked #3 not just top 15 so the rankings can be a little skewed that is why i think personally top15 is a good measure, another point worth noteing is that you seldon see a title holder takeing a voluntary against anybody in the top5 and thats just the way it is.

"So far, I have said NOTHING untrue"
****Well he is deserving of his shot, not a personal view rather a testament to him getting his ranking up there and one would think that irish boxing supporters in general would recognise this considering his ability to position himself within striking distance after his solitary defeat.
****It is a legitimate world title and he is boxing against a fighter who doesnt need to stand over his credentials.

Mabey not exactly untruths you have told but you are certainly doing your best to discredit this fight at any possible angle and thats even before it starts.

Now you nearly have 4 weeks left to park this negative vibe and get back on the bankwagon. As other have said lets get get on the same page and get behind one of our own

Duddyfan

Before I depart this joke of a boxing forum, let just give you an example of WalshB's lies and insults about Dunne, all direct quotes BTW,

Well, going on his last three outings, chin, speed, class, defense, power and a whole lot of other things are Dunne's problem. He's well past it!

TKO, I'm sick to the the teeth discussing Dunne now. He is going nowhere; and fast. I have said this time and time again and I will say it no more. All the excuses in the world cannot get away from the fact that he is going nowhere. Forget feathers and bantams and super bantams; he's going nowhere, end of!

Up to now and since his loss against Kiko, he has shown nothing and met absolutely nobody of merit. He has since declined and is getting worse; so how this could possibly translate to a world title at ANY weight is just plain ludicrous.

The facts speak for themselves and all the 'lovely boxer,' lovely mover' etc etc means jack **** in Dunne's case. He hasn't the power, stamina, chin or durability and he never will; no matter who he fights at world level.

If Dunne was allowed weigh at 122 and
met the best Fly's or Bantam's in the world, he would still lose bad!

Shane, he was 'let go' in America because he wasn't up to it. He came back to Ireland because the Americans knew he wasn't going anywhere on the world stage.
And they didn't need a Kiko to prove this. They just knew from their time with him and his performances with them!

I know, as a lot know and as Dunne knows, he was 'let go' from the States and all the stories in the
world will not disprove this!

I see very little positive in Dunne as a PRO, apart from his shrewd and clever match
making!

Dunne is the voluntary challenger, or to the champs team, a bum! That's the way the fight game goes.

How is that for an unbiased opinion on Dunne, he is a past it bum who is going nowhere and was let go from the US, (the let go comment is a pack of totally unfounded LIES) - according to WalshB. Funny how it's ok to spout all this BS yet when someone has the audacity to disagree with him they are threatened with a ban!!!

Oh and to Cowzerp, what do you mean if I spoke to you like that you would ban me?! What did I say that was so disrespectful? Looking at other posts WalshB has been called an idiot by a regular poster on here, where was his ban?

alanceltic

Jesus if you are going to trawl do it properly although I for one agree with where you are coming from but iv been around the block AND back on this one

walshb wrote: »

I'm going to make a prediction and say that Dunne will never fight again....

walshb wrote: »

Personally I feel Dunne will never fight again and his career is over..
Should he fight again?
I think NOT, as he is clearly not suited to the pro game and at 27 he is far
past it
And by past it, I mean he is past his peak, whatever that was.
The chap cannot IMO improve. He hit his peak and his peak wasn't
close on being good enough. How he can come back and expect
success is a dream......

walshb wrote: »

And if I had to bet on Hyland V Dunne, I would back Hyland to win by TKO or KO.

walshb wrote: »

So I think the guys is never going to fight again and shouldn;t expect
success and this makes me a knocker?

walshb wrote: »

Sorry to be so blunt, but Dunne is a journeyman and was the instance
he turned PRO....

walshb wrote: »

I'm telling you guys, Bernard will never fight again.
His heart and soul are not in it....

walshb wrote: »

I personally expect him to achieve nothing, and by nothing, I mean he will never break the top ten (world), never challenge for a world title

and finally.........................:D:D:D

walshb wrote: »

So let's wait and see. And if somehow Dunne
comes back and wins a world title from any of the
4 organisations, I will beg forgiveness on this site....

T-K-O

Wow - that be some good trawling...

Wlash loves to talk about the "Facts" when in FACT most of his opinions about Dunne are based on rumor, spin and back page of the sun material.

Walsh you called all Dunnes opponents tomato cans yet one of the lads mentioned Pickering, Walstad Vorinon you conveniently moved onto another subject. Now these guys are hardly elite but nor are they tomoto cans.

You also harped on about Dunne being sent packing from the states when others had inside information to the contrary.


Although I do not recall acussing Walsh of hating Dunne I did state before that Walsh reads to much into that comment - you take it a little to personal.

For the new posters on here, it may seem like Alan, Duddy and myself are 100% pro Dunne, Personally that is not the case but when you see a guy like Walsh **** all over 100% of everything Ben does its hard not to defend the guy.

It's plain and simple Walsh does not rate or like Dunne as a fighter - his comments below make that abundantly clear.

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

Before I depart this joke of a boxing forum, let just give you an example of WalshB's lies and insults about Dunne, all direct quotes BTW,

Well, going on his last three outings, chin, speed, class, defense, power and a whole lot of other things are Dunne's problem. He's well past it!

TKO, I'm sick to the the teeth discussing Dunne now. He is going nowhere; and fast. I have said this time and time again and I will say it no more. All the excuses in the world cannot get away from the fact that he is going nowhere. Forget feathers and bantams and super bantams; he's going nowhere, end of!

Up to now and since his loss against Kiko, he has shown nothing and met absolutely nobody of merit. He has since declined and is getting worse; so how this could possibly translate to a world title at ANY weight is just plain ludicrous.

The facts speak for themselves and all the 'lovely boxer,' lovely mover' etc etc means jack **** in Dunne's case. He hasn't the power, stamina, chin or durability and he never will; no matter who he fights at world level.

If Dunne was allowed weigh at 122 and
met the best Fly's or Bantam's in the world, he would still lose bad!

Shane, he was 'let go' in America because he wasn't up to it. He came back to Ireland because the Americans knew he wasn't going anywhere on the world stage.
And they didn't need a Kiko to prove this. They just knew from their time with him and his performances with them!

I know, as a lot know and as Dunne knows, he was 'let go' from the States and all the stories in the
world will not disprove this!

I see very little positive in Dunne as a PRO, apart from his shrewd and clever match
making!

Dunne is the voluntary challenger, or to the champs team, a bum! That's the way the fight game goes.

How is that for an unbiased opinion on Dunne, he is a past it bum who is going nowhere and was let go from the US, (the let go comment is a pack of totally unfounded LIES) - according to WalshB. Funny how it's ok to spout all this BS yet when someone has the audacity to disagree with him they are threatened with a ban!!!

Oh and to Cowzerp, what do you mean if I spoke to you like that you would ban me?! What did I say that was so disrespectful? Looking at other posts WalshB has been called an idiot by a regular poster on here, where was his ban?

I thought you left us.

Look, lets all wait to find out. Al those MAD qoutes you printed are open for discussion. None are provable either way, so you making out they are
incorrect shows your lack of thought and knowledge.

This term, tomato can, it's a term to descrobe a less than stellar opponent.
Not all Dunne's where cans, but the majority where. That's IMO indisputable.

He has NO top ten fighter on his list. Not one; and the best guy he faced KOd
him in 86 secs.

If this went to court, Dunne wouldn't get acquitted. The facts are damning.
No top ten opponents, no top ten rating, the majority of his wins against really average fighters, or cans if you will. Pickering and Walstad. Do the research on them. Neither were highly rated when Bernard beat them.

Does anyone really believe Dunne is a BETTER fighter now than two or three years ago. I see deficiencies and I think he was better two
to three years ago. Duddy claims this CANNOT be the case. How's that.

alan, we discussed the Dunne not fighting again, big deal, he has, and who has he faced. He faced three blown up bantams, all not highly ranked and IMO looked very average in beating them.

Should Dunne get wiped again in March, what will the excuses be.

If he does, his career is a mess and nothing on it can elevate him to
world class. The facts speak for themselves. He hasn't achieved world success, or came clos to it.

What rating can one give to Dunne's overall career if he gets wiped.

I can only see a very low rating.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Wow - that be some good trawling...

Wlash loves to talk about the "Facts" when in FACT most of his opinions about Dunne are based on rumor, spin and back page of the sun material.

Walsh you called all Dunnes opponents tomato cans yet one of the lads mentioned Pickering, Walstad Vorinon you conveniently moved onto another subject. Now these guys are hardly elite but nor are they tomoto cans.

You also harped on about Dunne being sent packing from the states when others had inside information to the contrary.


Although I do not recall acussing Walsh of hating Dunne I did state before that Walsh reads to much into that comment - you take it a little to personal.

For the new posters on here, it may seem like Alan, Duddy and myself are 100% pro Dunne, Personally that is not the case but when you see a guy like Walsh **** all over 100% of everything Ben does its hard not to defend the guy.

It's plain and simple Walsh does not rate or like Dunne as a fighter - his comments below make that abundantly clear.

TKO, I salute you. Finally you have seen the light. I do NOT rate Dunne as a
PRO fighter at all. You are right. Now, what was so hard about that.
Like him as a fighter....not sure what that means. But if you are insiniating
that it's personal, then you are overstepping the mark. I don't rate Dunne's career one bit as a pro;

Hey, here it is;

Dunne the person.... Nice guy, engaging, affable and a great speaker.
Respectable and interesting. 8/10

Dunne the amateur...fantastic Irish career and record. Failed to make the games. That's no Knock, very tough to qualify. One of Ireland's best amateurs ever. Very impressed 8-9/10

Dunne the PRO. I do not rate him much as a pro, no top ten wins, no chin, weak stamina, just not a good pro from what I have seen. Majority of wins were over less than steallar opposition. 4/10

Now, if folks cannot distinguish between the three, then that's a bad reflection on them and anyone who has the ignorance or audacity to bring in the H A T E card in a situation like this is a disgrace.

BTW TKO, I am not saying you have brought in the H A T E card

Others have

walshb

sston wrote: »

Yet it's fine to call most of Dunne's opponents "tomato cans" which you have done in this thread and a number of times previously. I think that's an insulting and phrase but for me it's another example of your double standards when it comes to discussing Dunne.

By the way I don't think Dunne deserves a world title fight either but as I've said before neither do 90% of the challengers these days. Look at Jennings and Rubio last weekend. Both of those were far less entitled to a shot than Dunne. That, like it or lump it is the state of boxing these days.

I also think it's a little unfair to try and belittle the title Dunne's fighting for or the quality of Cordoba. For me he's a great fighter and at only 24 I believe he could go on to be a great world champ. He beat Caballero when he was only 20 and knocked him down on route to a convincing points win.

If Dunne was to beat him and unfortunately for Bernard I think it's highly unlikely then I think it would be a huge achievement because Cordoba has most definitely proven himself to be a truly world class fighter.

SSTON, I don't know how many times I have said that I am fully aware that
fighters who don't deserve shots are getting shots. I know this. You, like I, agree that Dunne isn't deserving. That's all I said. Folks got all
hot and bothered with this. He is NO different than many. I'm glad he has it, but that's a separate issue.

Anyway, if only folks could read what is being written. They are too selective and jump in with both feet at anything that appears to be negative.

I used the tomato can for Dunne's opponents. Okay, go into the details about them all and their records and all that and it's QUITE clear that MOST are
far from quality. The amount of losses on their records is astounding. Some with hideous win/loss records. These are blatant facts. Why get hot and bothered about the truth. So, what TERM would be okay for me to use to describe the MAJORITY of his opponents.

BTW, if I met Dunne, I would be chuffed and would shake his hand and get
an autograph. He's is a nice dude; does this mean I must the SAY that he
is a good PRO. No, that's BS. That's fake and so ridiculous. He is NOT a good or great pro IMO

T-K-O

Walsh the fact that you cannot see any positives in Dunnes pro career leads me to the conclusion that you do not like the guy.

Sure his opposition to date could have been better but hey that's the game.

His progression and opposition to the European title IMO was in the right direction career wise. Sure he got spanked by Kiko again that happens.

I have reacted like you to certain boxers for one reason and one reason only.... I simply didn't like them - its human nature.
For example Lewis, I cant stand the guy and have had many debates over the years about him.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Walsh the fact that you cannot see any positives in Dunnes pro career leads me to the conclusion that you do not like the guy.

Sure his opposition to date could have been better but hey that's the game.

His progression and opposition to the European title IMO was in the right direction career wise. Sure he got ed by Kiko again that happens.

I have reacted like you to certain boxers for one reason and one reason only.... I simply didn't like them - its human nature.
For example Lewis, I cant stand the guy and have had many debates over the years about him.

Well, if you are forcing to try and see positives, then that's defeating the purpose. Of course there are positives; but we are discussing Bernard's WORLD
merits and unfortunately, I see NO positives on the WORLD stage.

On an Irish/British/European level, yes, Bernard was good. That's a positive.
He was good. I canot translate it to the WORLD scene. He just lacks too many intangibles.

I detailed Bernard in three phases and gave ALL POSITIVES, then the PRO career came and his ability as a PRO, and I was left with little. World stage.
He just doesn't have it, or close to it.

Hey, YOU don't like Lewis, big deal, buy that doesn't mean you
cannot give an honest assessment of his talent. There were times when
Ali irritated me and I didn't like his verbal talk; but man, he was amazing and was an amazing person. We have to separate the two.

My example is NAZ, I don't know the chap and don't dislike or care for the chap; but I don't think he was a GREAT fighter. I just don't see what
others do.

Seriously TKO, I have given Dunne praise and have agreed 100 percent that
the chap is a good guy and a was a great amateur. That's a lot; I cannot get
excited about him as a PRO. I don't rate him as a PRO.

Hey, Michael Carruth. Lovely guy, met him and spoke with him. Great amateur and lovely boxer, I neve his PRO career. I can't be any
clearer than this to explain. I don't see why you have to feel that because
I don't rate a guy as a PRO that means I dislike the guy. That's astounding.

One final thing is that the 'tomato can' seems to be irritating folks.
Bernard has fought 27/28 men and their win/loss record is 340/130

That's pretty pretty average, bordering POOR. Now, add in that NONE were rated all that high and a lot
were absloute NOT rated. What are we left with. His career cannot get me excited
with these types of facts and also, with what I have seen with my eyes.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

Well, if you are forcing to try and see positives, then that's defeating the purpose. Of course there are positives; but we are discussing Bernard's WORLD
merits and unfortunately, I see NO positives on the WORLD stage.

On an Irish/British/European level, yes, Bernard was good. That's a positive.
He was good. I canot translate it to the WORLD scene. He just lacks too many intangibles.

I detailed Bernard in three phases and gave ALL POSITIVES, then the PRO career came and his ability as a PRO, and I was left with little. World stage.
He just doesn't have it, or close to it.

Hey, YOU don't like Lewis, big deal, buy that doesn't mean you
cannot give an honest assessment of his talent. There were times when
Ali irritated me and I didn't like his verbal talk; but man, he was amazing and was an amazing person. We have to separate the two.

My example is NAZ, I don't know the chap and don't dislike or care for the chap; but I don't think he was a GREAT fighter. I just don't see what
others do.

Seriously TKO, I have given Dunne praise and have agreed 100 percent that
the chap is a good guy and a was a great amateur. That's a lot; I cannot get
excited about him as a PRO. I don't rate him as a PRO.

Hey, Michael Carruth. Lovely guy, met him and spoke with him. Great amateur and lovely boxer, I never R A T E D his PRO career. I can't be any
clearer than this to explain. I don't see why you have to feel that because
I don't rate a guy as a PRO that means I dislike the guy. That's astounding.

You cannot say that when you just stated he has only fought tomato cans.... but I guess you're entitled to your opinion for it's just not logical.

And Im not forcing you to see positives I find it astounding that you only see the negatives when analyzing the guy.

Yes you give him credit for his amateur career only a fool wouldn't it was almost flawless.

T-K-O

BTW its so annoying when you edit a post like that... as for the win / losses


Walstad was around 18/1
Voronin and Pickering where something like 24/3 all respectable records.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

BTW its so annoying when you edit a post like that... as for the win / losses


Walstad was around 18/1
Voronin and Pickering where something like 24/3 all respectable records.

See, you ONLY read what you want. You conveniently dismiss my positive comment regarding Dunne in Ireland/Britain and Europe. I'm sorry, but if you are looking for positives on a world stage, then you will be waiting. He hasn't done ANYTHING on the world stage. Are these facts really that difficult
to comprehend.

As for the win/loss; that was a combined RECORD total. What's the matter here. Everything seems to be an issue with you; you just cannot accept that some may see Dunne as not a GOOD pro.

You gave two records that were good. That's great, but go look at the victims
on those records. They are pretty pretty average. I said MOST of Dunne's
opponents were tomato cans.

Anyone's record can look god when the opponents are poor.

Simply PUT, Dunne has yet to even MEET a ranked fighter. That is decisive and is something you cannot get away from. Now, bearing this in mind, how the feck am I meant to be all that impressed. I'm astonished you
are impressed and astonished at some others here who believe Dunne is
a good to great PRO.

When Dunne achieves on the WORLD scene, then I will discuss the merits
of his world scene trip. Until then, he has done ZERO to indicate to me that
he is a challenger on the world scene, despite him getting a crack

walshb

BTW, do a check on the career of Walstad. His opponents were absolutely DISMAL; worse than Bernard's. The win/loss is about 110/165.

This is appaling and all relevant and blows your whole theory out
the water. The Dunne wins were against lowly ranked men; some higher
than TOP 30, but none below ten. Their victims were even worse. It's a vicious circle, that reads quite dismally

walshb

Folks can get bogged down on records and show a fighter with a great record and use this as evidence of class. But, go take a closer look and see the records of the victims etc etc and it becomes clear that the record is really an inflation of ones talent. This is wholly the case with Dunne.

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

How is that for an unbiased opinion on Dunne, he is a past it bum who is going nowhere and was let go from the US, (the let go comment is a pack of totally unfounded LIES) - according to WalshB. Funny how it's ok to spout all this BS yet when someone has the audacity to disagree with him they are threatened with a ban!!!

Oh and to Cowzerp, what do you mean if I spoke to you like that you would ban me?! What did I say that was so disrespectful? Looking at other posts WalshB has been called an idiot by a regular poster on here, where was his ban?

TKO, I think someone is looking to get you banned, reading the above quote:)

Duddy, glad you are gone now if that's the way you want to debate with folks here.
Paul (cowzerp) made an honest and civil post and now you the get all thick with him?

BTW, I never ever threatened YOU with a ban because you DISAGREED with me. That's lies and moronic. And you know it. I threatened YOU with a ban for spreading lies on the forum about me. You saying I hate Bernard Dunne is over the top and personal and completely false. Get it.
See, you don't read what folks are writing. I issued a ban warning for your
lies about ME, not your disagreements with ME!

BTW, I am sure Bernard probably reads the boards from time to time and any other articles or sites that may discuss his carer. I don't want lies from you or anyone on this forum about ME or anyone else. You can't keep to that SIMPLE rule, then GET LOST!

For the record, anyone can feel free to post here about any boxer and have any view
on their career without being told they HATE the boxer. That happens and bans will be
issued. It's a different matter if a POSTER openly admits to HATING a boxer; by all means, he/she
can then be accused of HATING.

Some may not find it all that important, but I think it's a disgrace how
anyone can be accused of HATE just becaue they feel a fighter is
not up to it at all.

T-K-O

Thanks for the heads up but TKO can take care of himself.

Walsh Im tired. You say he has achieved nothing as a pro then say he has on the "British Isles" its contradicting.

I'm out.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up but TKO can take care of himself.

Walsh Im tired. You say he has achieved nothing as a pro then say he has on the "British Isles" its contradicting.

I'm out.

On the FREAKING world scene. You don't read do you?
He has achieved in Europe and Ireland. I'm out too, you
are seriously tiring work. Like spoon feeding a baby:DLOL

I know well you can take care of yourself.

BTW, being called an idiot aint all that
bad; once you KNOW who's doing the calling.

It's the accustaions of being a HATER that do cross
the line with me.

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

Some may not find it all that important, but I think it's a disgrace how
anyone can be accused of HATE just becaue they feel a fighter is
not up to it at all.

and i think its a disgrace for someone (you!!!) to post on here about a boxer being ran out of a gym and being dropped by his promoter when its all lies lies lies and then you try to convince people that you really like the bloke, come on do you really think people are stupid????

Just give up coz the more you say the deeper you keep digging that hole and you forget all these comments over time and then keep tripping yourself up.:D:D

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

and i think its a disgrace for someone (you!!!) to post on here about a boxer being ran out of a gym and being dropped by his promoter when its all lies lies lies and then you try to convince people that you really like the bloke, come on do you really think people are stupid????

Just give up coz the more you say the deeper you keep digging that hole and you forget all these comments over time and then keep tripping yourself up.:D:D

Did I start those rumours? No, I didn't, and nor did I state they were
FACT. I said I could well believe them and still to a degree, do.
Those rumours were doing the rounds.

Only Dunne and his camp and the U.S camp know the truth.
Anyway, that's OLD news.

BTW, what has that got to do with liking Dunne.
I haven't tried to convince anyone that I like Dunne; why should
I? I don't know him:rolleyes:

Why would I like Dunne or dislike Dunne? I don't even know Dunne.

alanceltic

u just keep digging that hole for yourself..... the things you say are so contradictory and so far from the truth you should be in leinster house

walshb

Roll on March 21st alan, the discussions will be frantic

Can't wait to read the predictions thread

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

On the FREAKING world scene. You don't read do you?
He has achieved in Europe and Ireland. I'm out too, you
are seriously tiring work. Like spoon feeding a baby:DLOL

I know well you can take care of yourself.

BTW, being called an idiot aint all that
bad; once you KNOW who's doing the calling.

It's the accustaions of being a HATER that do cross
the line with me.

Jesus walsh, you are correct about the selective reading...

He cant be a bad pro in one post and then a good one in the next.

Contradicting statements, you are simply back tracking.

but its fine im out.

Game Over....

(I Win) :0

mits2006

Bernard dunne will never b a world champion,i am sorry to annoy all u bernard fans,but get a bit realistic,the first good fighter he comes up against knocks him the **** out in one round,its time all u bernard fans seen him for what he is,an average euro fighter,end of story.He is certantly no barry mcguigan.Get real wake up,there are a lot better fights in ireland to talk about other than the supposed national treasure that is bernard dunne,its time to look for a different messiah because it anit going to happen,sorry to burst the bubble if there is a bubble to burst there shudnt b,

el mitsington.

bernard dunne doesnt win end of discusion i hope,im not a hater i am a realist,WORD.

i hope he is makeing a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ because this is his last big fight bye bye bernard invest well just not in anglo

T-K-O

mits2006 wrote: »

Bernard dunne will never b a world champion,i am sorry to annoy all u bernard fans,but get a bit realistic,the first good fighter he comes up against knocks him the **** out in one round,its time all u bernard fans seen him for what he is,an average euro fighter,end of story.He is certantly no barry mcguigan.Get real wake up,there are a lot better fights in ireland to talk about other than the supposed national treasure that is bernard dunne,its time to look for a different messiah because it anit going to happen,sorry to burst the bubble if there is a bubble to burst there shudnt b,

el mitsington.

bernard dunne doesnt win end of discusion i hope,im not a hater i am a realist,WORD.

This post is so wrong I wouldn't know where to start.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

This post is so wrong I wouldn't know where to start.

TKO, again, because someone disagrees with your view of Dunne
you are making out the person is 'wrong'?:rolleyes:

Seriously, get over yourself. Not everyone can see Dunne as a great chance or a great pro. Humans aren't like that. I don't see him as anthing close to world level. Many agree with me and some don't; stop acting like WE are wrong and YOU are right. It's a view and UNTIL Dunne actually
does something on the WORLD scene, you will have to remain quite, otherwise your view will be mocked.

BTW, Dunne is a GOOD pro on a small scale, Britain, Ireland and Europe.
He is NOT a good pro on the world scene. Not close.

You ask how this is so? Think about it, and carefully, it does make sense.

Any chance you will detail where exactly post #88 is so wrong?
What exactly in this post is untrue or wrong?

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

TKO, again, because someone disagrees with your view of Dunne
you are making out the person is 'wrong'?:rolleyes:

Seriously, get over yourself. Not everyone can see Dunne as a great chance or a great pro. Humans aren't like that. I don't see him as anthing close to world level. Many agree with me and some don't; stop acting like WE are wrong and YOU are right. It's a view and UNTIL Dunne actually
does something on the WORLD scene, you will have to remain quite, otherwise your view will be mocked.

BTW, Dunne is a GOOD pro on a small scale, Britain, Ireland and Europe.
He is NOT a good pro on the world scene. Not close.

You ask how this is so? Think about it, and carefully, it does make sense.

Any chance you will detail where exactly the post #88 is so wrong?
What exactly in this post is untrue or wrong?

TKO wrote: Zip it you condescending twat.

Banned for personal and unecessary abuse

Johner

Dunne is nowhere near World level at all and never will be. I wish him all the best in his fight but we all know he dosent deserve this shot. I know it makes sense for the fight to be in Ireland money wise but Dunne isnt that champion why should he get too fight in his hometown? I also think Munroe would take care of Dunne if they fought. Kiko and Munroe tonight on Sky for anyone who cares.

walshb

Jimmy, careful with the thanks, the Dunner' brigade will be out to
get you:D

I think this thread has run its course. I will close it for now.
Bernard has his shot soon and I think any NEGATIVE stuff from here
on in isn't warranted. Let's get behind him, no matter WHAT one thinks of his talent or potential.

Anyone really wants it OPENED, PM me!