Recession isn't affecting junkies/drunks...

az2wp0sye65487

I work in an area of North Dublin City that has it's fair share of junk-balls etc.

Went for a coffee in the local cafe this morning and 2 of the local 'older generation' junkies/drunks (not sure which they are, could be both) we ahead of me in the cue. They ordered 1 full brekkie and 1 pot of tea - "but gimmie 2 cups" - to share.

The girl serving said, "That's €8.50 please" and I was expecting to see him counting out a load of change; but he reaches into his back pocket and pulls out a wad of brand new, crisp, €50 notes! inside that were 20, 10 & 5 yoyo notes, all brand new looking.

WTF?!?!?

Pighead

Azalea Tart Panacea wrote: »

I work in an area of North Dublin City that has it's fair share of junk-balls etc.

Went for a coffee in the local cafe this morning and 2 of the local 'older generation' junkies/drunks (not sure which they are, could be both) we ahead of me in the cue. They ordered 1 full brekkie and 1 pot of tea - "but gimmie 2 cups" - to share.

The girl serving said, "That's €8.50 please" and I was expecting to see him counting out a load of change; but he reaches into his back pocket and pulls out a wad of brand new, crisp, €50 notes! inside that were 20, 10 & 5 yoyo notes, all brand new looking.

WTF?!?!?

Could have been Shane McGowan and Colin Farrell.

K-9

Azalea Tart Panacea wrote: »

I work in an area of North Dublin City that has it's fair share of junk-balls etc.

Went for a coffee in the local cafe this morning and 2 of the local 'older generation' junkies/drunks (not sure which they are, could be both) we ahead of me in the cue. They ordered 1 full brekkie and 1 pot of tea - "but gimmie 2 cups" - to share.

The girl serving said, "That's €8.50 please" and I was expecting to see him counting out a load of change; but he reaches into his back pocket and pulls out a wad of brand new, crisp, €50 notes! inside that were 20, 10 & 5 yoyo notes, all brand new looking.

WTF?!?!?

Probably just after getting the brew.

/ Coat ready.

Mena

Reminds me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c

Melted M&M

Well then I'm in the wrong business :rolleyes:

Degsy

There's been scum like that around since forever.They're completely recession proof and the poxy government insist on upping the dole.

Dragan

Azalea Tart Panacea wrote: »

I work in an area of North Dublin City that has it's fair share of junk-balls etc.

Went for a coffee in the local cafe this morning and 2 of the local 'older generation' junkies/drunks (not sure which they are, could be both) we ahead of me in the cue. They ordered 1 full brekkie and 1 pot of tea - "but gimmie 2 cups" - to share.

The girl serving said, "That's €8.50 please" and I was expecting to see him counting out a load of change; but he reaches into his back pocket and pulls out a wad of brand new, crisp, €50 notes! inside that were 20, 10 & 5 yoyo notes, all brand new looking.

WTF?!?!?

Out of interest, how do you know that they are drunks/junkies?

beth-lou

Degsy wrote: »

There's been scum like that around since forever.They're completely recession proof and the poxy government insist on upping the dole.

Yeah, the government should exterminate them all. All the down and outs, just erradicate them, thats what we should do. They're only scum.

Princessa

Pighead wrote: »

Could have been Shane McGowan and Colin Farrell.

Brilliant

K-9

beth-lou wrote: »

Yeah, the government should exterminate them all. All the down and outs, just erradicate them, thats what we should do. They're only scum.

I think that's what he really meant. Degser is very pc.

jim o doom

Well if they ACTUALLY really were junkies - and they had a lot of cash, they could be the junkies that sell to the other junkies - step 1 - demand, step2 - supply, step 3 = profit!

az2wp0sye65487

Dragan wrote: »

Out of interest, how do you know that they are drunks/junkies?

Well...... I once found the man asleep under my car with an empty bottle of vodka beside him... these 2 are well known in the area. The guards are on first name terms with them. They are always falling around the place, having arguments with each other over who owns the last can.....

I think that gives it away!

Gummy Panda

Dragan wrote: »

Out of interest, how do you know that they are drunks/junkies?

Most long-term low-quality drug addictions (heroin) are clearly visible such as the state of their skin, their teeth (seen some with what look like a black plaque), their tone of voice (always through the noise and slurred), there cordination and ofc that they generally seem to have turned themselves into retards or zombies or zombie retards.

Btw i seen a junkie the other day who had a tattoo of a tear under his eye. WTF is that suppose to mean? he had a dot on each knuckle which i assume is hatred for the garda.

beth-lou

I'd say they got their dole.

Robbo

beth-lou wrote: »

Yeah, the government should exterminate them all. All the down and outs, just erradicate them, thats what we should do. They're only scum.

I can't believe the sickening PC brigade attitude that we shouldn't at least run a forced labour camp *before* executing them. Make them pay their debt to society, whatever that may be. It sickens me that liberal PC nonsense of straight up execution without making them pay for their own death. I pay my taxes so I get to say who lives or dies.

Puddleduck

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Most long-term low-quality drug addictions (heroin) are clearly visible such as the state of their skin, their teeth (seen some with what look like a black plaque), their tone of voice (always through the noise and slurred), there cordination and ofc that they generally seem to have turned themselves into retards or zombies or zombie retards.

Btw i seen a junkie the other day who had a tattoo of a tear under his eye. WTF is that suppose to mean? he had a dot on each knuckle which i assume is hatred for the garda.

Thems prison tattoos I think. The tear means he killed someone, and the dots are the amount of times in prison. That or he went into the tattoo place stoned and said 'Here make it look like Im crying and give us two dots on my knuckles so Ill remember to pick up me dole'

Dragan

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Btw i seen a junkie the other day who had a tattoo of a tear under his eye. WTF is that suppose to mean? he had a dot on each knuckle which i assume is hatred for the garda.

It all depends. You would really have to ask him as similar tattoo will have different meanings across certain groups, cultures and gangs etc.

the_syco

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Btw i seen a junkie the other day who had a tattoo of a tear under his eye.

Seen this in a few programs about gangs in the US.

T-K-O

Well burglaries are on the up no wonder they have extra cash.

Degsy

Tear under the eye in america means you claim to have killed somebody,a lot of **** do it to big themselves up.Here it doesnt mean anything but a lot of junkies would have a blue "borstal mark" tatooed on thier faces.This they usually do themselves so people know they've been in prison but there havnt been borstals in 40 years.
The dots on the knuckles stand for "all coppers are bastards",usually the second tatoo a scumbag does (after the indian ink cross on the forearm).Really advanced scumbags might have the complete set of card suites tatooed on thier fingers or a dot on the web of thier hand.

toiletduck

OP sounds like a promising episode of the Wire.

BaconZombie

Step 1 = Get FREE methadone

Step 2 = Sell FREE methadone for $$$

Step 3 = Buy Heroin and still have loads of $$$

jim o doom wrote: »

Well if they ACTUALLY really were junkies - and they had a lot of cash, they could be the junkies that sell to the other junkies - step 1 - demand, step2 - supply, step 3 = profit!

Degsy

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Step 1 = Get FREE methadone

Step 2 = Sell FREE methadone for $$$

Step 3 = Buy Heroin and still have loads of $$$

Dont forget dole and income supplemented with stealing.

beth-lou

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Step 1 = Get FREE methadone

Step 2 = Sell FREE methadone for $$$

Step 3 = Buy Heroin and still have loads of $$$

Eh... they get tested for heroin everytime they go for their methadone script so that plan wont work for long, it's stopped if heroin shows up.

Degsy

beth-lou wrote: »

Eh... they get tested for heroin everytime they go for their methadone script so that plan wont work for long, it's stopped if heroin shows up.

Which is why they carry often get clean urine from somebody and keep it in a syringe for the sample.

ronbyrne2005

I know several alcos in late 50s who are retired and get big pension cheque every week. Dont judge a book by it's cover.

az2wp0sye65487

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

I know several alcos in late 50s who are retired and get big pension cheque every week. Dont judge a book by it's cover.

What do you mean exactly? You just said yourself that they're alcos.....

BaconZombie

Step 0.5 = Stab random person and steal their blood.

beth-lou wrote: »

Eh... they get tested for heroin everytime they go for their methadone script so that plan wont work for long, it's stopped if heroin shows up.

Degsy

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Step 0.5 = Stab random person and steal their blood.

A skill perfected by the junkie vampires of transylvania.

UnderpantsGnome

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

Dont judge a book by it's cover.

Sense? Logic? Empathy?!

I thought this was After Hours?

Degsy

T-K-O wrote: »

they have extra cash.

The bastard government saw fit to award them extra dole for thier everlasting contribution to society.

Highsider

If they are looking for work and can prove it they deserve the dole just like everybody else. If not they should be thrown off the dole just like everybody else. Simple really. I see a lot of these on the dole for life sorts all around the city and you just know a high percentage of them have no intention of ever getting a job. But the law is the law and all that so once they produce evidence of seeking work then they should get there money.

T-K-O

Degsy wrote: »

The bastard government saw fit to award them extra dole for thier everlasting contribution to society.

Didn't hear anything about extra dole - but I aint surprised. Those idiots couldn't run a piss up down at the Guinness factory.

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A big fat I told ya so to all those who voted FF

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Mimikyu

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Degsy

T-K-O wrote: »

Didn't hear anything about extra dole - but I aint surprised. Those idiots couldn't run a piss up down at the Guinness factory.

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A big fat I told ya so to all those who voted FF

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http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/politics/budget-2008-rise-in-pensions-social-welfare-payments-1238929.html

there ya go..and dont forget the double week at christmas..more money to spend on drugs at the taxpayers expense.

beth-lou

Yeah they should really scrap the social welfare payments altogether. Let them starve. And all those poor feckers who lose their jobs in the recession, well they can just sing for it. I mean why have a social welfare payment system at all. I think we should work on the American model, that's really good. I mean they have no social problems at all. We're muppets. :rolleyes:

Holsten

Dole, muggings and burglary would net you a nice chunk of change.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Degsy wrote: »

There's been scum like that around since forever.They're completely recession proof and the poxy government insist on upping the dole.

What are you saying exactly? People on the dole are scum?

Degsy wrote: »

The bastard government saw fit to award them extra dole for thier everlasting contribution to society.

Most people on social welfare have paid their dues...

Degsy wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/politics/budget-2008-rise-in-pensions-social-welfare-payments-1238929.html

there ya go..and dont forget the double week at christmas..more money to spend on drugs at the taxpayers expense.

Elaborate on this a little will you?

themont85

Degsy wrote: »

They're completely recession proof

Ye the public service are some shower of ***** aren't they.

Degsy

Annabelle Screeching Martinet wrote: »

What are you saying exactly? People on the dole are scum?



Most people on social welfare have paid their dues...

No,i'm not talking about everybody on the dole and you well know it,you're just stirring it.
The thread is about junkies,those that are actually scum etc.
And i'm telling you that a lot of people on social welfare have paid **** all!

shenanigans1982

Annabelle Screeching Martinet wrote: »

What are you saying exactly? People on the dole are scum?



Most people on social welfare have paid their dues...



Elaborate on this a little will you?

I would say most people here know at least one person who has been on the dole long term....even during the "good times" and has absolutely no plans of giving it up unless they are forced to.

As he said quit stirring sh*t.

MIN2511

Are junkies allowed to claim the dole? They have no fixed abode... surely with the dole majority of the homeless will have homes :S

giggsy664

beth-lou wrote: »

Yeah, the government should exterminate them all. All the down and outs, just erradicate them, thats what we should do. They're only scum.

Heil Cowen, und Mein Lippe!!

Heil!

Degsy

MIN2511 wrote: »

Are junkies allowed to claim the dole? They have no fixed abode... surely with the dole majority of the homeless will have homes :S

Not all junkies are homeless.A lot of them live at home,in flats or in digs.If they're homeless they can also claim the dole as long as they have an address of a hostel or whatever.

RaverRo808

beth-lou wrote: »

I'd say they got their dole.

Junkies dont spend their cash on breakfast and tea,hence why they are junkies,their day resloves around waking up from a slumber,looking for money for drugs,getting money for drugs,buying drugs,falling into a slumber from drugs,waking up from a slumber......the cycle continues,I doubt they were junkies you encountered,just scumbags

RaverRo808

Degsy wrote: »

Not all junkies are homeless.A lot of them live at home,in flats or in digs.If they're homeless they can also claim the dole as long as they have an address of a hostel or whatever.

My mate lived in a bedsit for afew months,because his job was right accross the road,Id say everyone who lived there was an alcoholic or a junkie,and they werent exactly on hard times,all had brand new tv's,xboxes and shiny white air maxes

beth-lou

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Junkies dont spend their cash on breakfast and tea,hence why they are junkies,their day resloves around waking up from a slumber,looking for money for drugs,getting money for drugs,buying drugs,falling into a slumber from drugs,waking up from a slumber......the cycle continues,I doubt they were junkies you encountered,just scumbags

Unfortunately I know all too well how a junkie acts. I have one for a brother, well he's now on methadone and has just got off the streets. I'm restraining myself here and throwing back idiotic statements, because some of the ****e being sprouted here is pretty irritating.

A junkie is a scumbag to a degree, a pathetic life form, the walking dead. But they are human under that addiction and sometimes they can get out of that cycle. I just don't agree with the view that they should be written off completely by society. I understand the view people take, but it solves nothing. The view that all people on the dole are scumbags is ignorant beyond belief.

Anyway, I'd say the guys in the cafe were probably alcho's treating themselves to a nice brekkie while they had the money.

RaverRo808

beth-lou wrote: »

Unfortunately I know all too well how a junkie acts. I have one for a brother, well he's now on methadone and has just got off the streets. I'm restraining myself here and throwing back idiotic statements, because some of the ****e being sprouted here is pretty irritating.

A junkie is a scumbag to a degree, a pathetic life form, the walking dead. But they are human under that addiction and sometimes they can get out of that cycle. I just don't agree with the view that they should be written off completely by society. I understand the view people take, but it solves nothing. The view that all people on the dole are scumbags is ignorant beyond belief.

Anyway, I'd say the guys in the cafe were probably alcho's treating themselves to a nice brekkie while they had the money.

Ive no sympathy for junkies,none,and I think nobody else should,yes they are human(barely),but they are humans that made a choice full of highly dangerous addictive brwon muck up their veins,that isnt a victim,that is someone who made a consious decision to be a dirtbird,maybe back in the early 80's when nobody knew the dangers of herion and what it would do to you,but not now,its 2009,people that take herion now know well the consequnces and the reputation it has,I dont believe in rehabilitation because when someones a junkie for awhile they become permanently useless for the rest of their lives,no motor skills,physically destroyed etc,really makes my blood boil to see the amount of support they get from the state,free bus pass,extra dole money,cushy education programmes,when the average joe soap gets measily 170 quid,I hate junkies,and thats not an ignorant opinion

beth-lou

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Ive no sympathy for junkies,none,and I think nobody else should,yes they are human(barely),but they are humans that made a choice full of highly dangerous addictive brwon muck up their veins,that isnt a victim,that is someone who made a consious decision to be a dirtbird,maybe back in the early 80's when nobody knew the dangers of herion and what it would do to you,but not now,its 2009,people that take herion now know well the consequnces and the reputation it has,I dont believe in rehabilitation because when someones a junkie for awhile they become permanently useless for the rest of their lives,no motor skills,physically destroyed etc,really makes my blood boil to see the amount of support they get from the state,free bus pass,extra dole money,cushy education programmes,when the average joe soap gets measily 170 quid,I hate junkies,and thats not an ignorant opinion

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you were in the scene in the early ninties, went clubbing, probably popped a few pills here and there. I'm assuming that from your posts in the dance scene threads and the clubs you used to go to. You're not that far removed from those horrible junkies you talk about.

Maybe you don't have an addictive personality and escaped unscathed from those days, but some didn't and some were just plain stupid, and some were born into families were heroin was a daily ritual. Anyway say what you want about your opinion, but there is a lot of ignorance in your post.

Zadkiel

beth-lou wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you were in the scene in the early ninties, went clubbing, probably popped a few pills here and there. I'm assuming that from your posts in the dance scene threads and the clubs you used to go to. You're not that far removed from those horrible junkies you talk about.

Maybe you don't have an addictive personality and escaped unscathed from those days, but some didn't and some were just plain stupid, and some were born into families were heroin was a daily ritual. Anyway say what you want about your opinion, but there is a lot of ignorance in your post.

You cant assume that every one who was on the clubbing scene popped pills! I'm not entirely without sympathy for people with drug addictions, but lets not forget that its a choice they made.
And the choices that people make do have an impact on other people.

beth-lou

Zadkiel wrote: »

You cant assume that every one who was on the clubbing scene popped pills! I'm not entirely without sympathy for people with drug addictions, but lets not forget that its a choice they made.
And the choices that people make do have an impact on other people.

As I said, he can correct me if I'm wrong.

Look, junkies disgust me as much as the next person. It is a choice they make and a very selfish one at that and the impact of that choice is very destructive and tears families apart. However, sometimes there are underlying issues with regards to addictions and if and when someone wants the help to come off a substance I think it only right that they should be supported by society. They cost the state a hell of a lot more as a junkie than they do rehabilitated, so just turning your back and saying "I don't believe in rehabilitation" isn't really thinking through the whole problem.

I understand completely the anger and frustration people feel towards junkies, jesus the anger I feel is pretty big believe me. But I also know the other side of the story and sometimes, society has to help the less fortunate. It's called being civilised. I agree that most of them are looking for an easy ride and are incapable of doing anything to help themselves or to help society, but some want a chance to break out of it. And I think that should be available.

And junkies aside, there are going to be a lot of long term unemployed as a result of this recession and social welfare payments are all that will keep some families afloat, so the bashing of the system is a bit ott too.