Skeptics

King Mob

Nostradamus wrote: »

Because it is my personal opinion as a citizen and not a manifesto.

I am not the one getting paid to put up posters. Hence, I do not have to defend my views on the Lisbon Treaty if I do not what to. That's up to the sell-outs in FF, FG, Lab, Trade Unions, Civil Service and Farming organisation to do that.

and now, I am not a Shinner either.

And how do you know your opinion is sound and reasonable if you don't even talk about it?
What was that you were saying about status quo?

meglome

Nostradamus wrote: »

Because it is my personal opinion as a citizen and not a manifesto.

But it's your sig and therefore on every post you make.

Nostradamus wrote: »

I am not the one getting paid to put up posters. Hence, I do not have to defend my views on the Lisbon Treaty if I do not what to. That's up to the sell-outs in FF, FG, Lab, Trade Unions, Civil Service, Common Purpose trained "journalists" and Farming organisation to do that.

and no, I am not a Shinner either. I do not follow any party line nor editorial slant. My sig is my own business. You do not have to read it if it bothers you.

I personally have no political affiliations nor did I even vote on Lisbon the last time as I didn't know enough about it. I probably would've voted No if I did vote. I even applaud people for voting No rather than voting yes to something they didn't understand. I don't even like that votes get rerun. But the funny thing for me to come out of the anti-Lisbon discussions is that I'll definitely be voting Yes the next time. The pro treaty people showed clear evidence for what they believed and the anti-treaty people couldn't.

The thing is what you say in your sig isn't true. If we weren't in the Euro now we'd be screwed. And that is because of our own ineptitude and the fact we kept electing a bunch of fools. WE ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT.

Nostradamus

meglome wrote: »

And that is because of our own ineptitude and the fact we kept electing a bunch of fools. WE ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT.

What makes you think this country will stop electing fools? The same Parish Pump politics will be in swing post Lisbon just as much as now. Most of the Pro Lisbon posters on lampposts around the country had slogans like "Give Sligo a Voice in Europe" or "Galway's Man in Europe".

You seem to forget that most of our years as EU member have been spent in economic ruin. The Celtic Tiger years were an anomly and not the norm. The Celtic Tiger money years was a huge illusion based on cheap money in circulation. Had very little to do with EU when you really look at it. The whole show was run from The City and Wall Street - which is the real government of the world and not the puppets whom we elect.

I like living in an independent country, even with its faults. Sorry.

K-9

Nostradamus wrote: »

I am not the one getting paid to put up posters. Hence, I do not have to defend my views on the Lisbon Treaty if I do not want to. That's up to the sell-outs in FF, FG, Lab, Trade Unions, Civil Service, Common Purpose trained "journalists" and Farming organisation to do that.

Good to see you are keeping your mind open.

bonkey

Nostradamus wrote: »

...he literally explaodes with rage and calls these people "Nazi's" (??!?!) and "Headcases" and this is the same oddball who claims ...

In otther words they are basically stupid and want to make sure everyone else in society is as stupid and narrow minded as they are, so they set themselves up as these intolerant little thought police calling themselves "spektics" when they are about as skeptical in the true meaning of the term as Joe Stalin or Chairman Moa.

So basically, what you're saying is these so-called skeptics are really just Nazi Headcases?

bonkey

Nostradamus wrote: »

If they respectfully listen to the person and then say something like "well, I dunno, I looked at it and it can also be taken like this..." in a respectful and polite manner, then they are not a tosspot.

If come back with "LOL! you are are idiot!!!" then they are tosspots.

What if they come back and say that you're wrong, and offer reason and evidence to support their position?

What if they neither say you're right or wrong, but simply ask you what reason and/or evidence you have to support your position?

What if (just like in this post) all they do is ask questions to show that your argument appears to leave out a number of possibilities?

meglome

Nostradamus wrote: »

What makes you think this country will stop electing fools? The same Parish Pump politics will be in swing post Lisbon just as much as now. Most of the Pro Lisbon posters on lampposts around the country had slogans like "Give Sligo a Voice in Europe" or "Galway's Man in Europe".

I'm not even remotely convinced we won't keep electing fools (double negatives bad m'kay). It's the petty local politics just like we've always had in this country. But while I disagree with this kind of politics it has no effect on whether the Lisbon treaty is good or bad in of itself.

Nostradamus wrote: »

You seem to forget that most of our years as EU member have been spent in economic ruin. The Celtic Tiger years were an anomly and not the norm. The Celtic Tiger money years was a huge illusion based on cheap money in circulation. Had very little to do with EU when you really look at it. The whole show was run from The City and Wall Street - which is the real government of the world and not the puppets whom we elect.

Well we got the tiger years firstly because the EU pumped money into the country to help us develop. We then put that money to good use and then ultimately some pretty stupid uses.

I keep hearing in here that the bankers are to blame and the bankers run the world etc etc. Yet these same bankers are on bended knee, with the begging bowl out, asking us to save their asses. Several huge banks have gone bust and many more have been effectively nationalised. Strangely bad form for people who have so much control, no?

Nostradamus wrote: »

I like living in an independent country, even with its faults. Sorry.

And thankfully there's not a line in the Lisbon treaty that says otherwise.

bonkey

Lets not turn this into a political discussion of the Lisbon Treaty and/or Irish politics.

meglome

bonkey wrote: »

Lets not turn this into a political discussion of the Lisbon Treaty and/or Irish politics.

Want to move these to one of the Lisbon threads?

Jimkel

I am a skeptical person, I have studied allot of history, theology, many conspiracy theories and theIR roots and think that the level of paranioa amongst some conspiracy theorisTS and also the usage of fear in order to recruit new disciples to their cause, ie the zeitgeist movement (eugh) is bordering on the extreme, I'm talking Suicide bomb extreme.

I think paranoid conspiracy theoriests are as damaging to society as corrupt government officials. What this world needs is tolerance, not extreme grandiose doctrines. Nazism, socialism these are examples of paraniod theories getting out of hand.

If conspiracy theorists really cared about the world and its people they would do something constructive with their lives like get a proper education, quite smoking weed (in many cases) and work towards the betterment of mankind. truth is most of them are anti progress, anti tolerance to people with different views, anti society. By society I am refering to the people of this world and not any particular system of government. They feel the need to enlarge their otherwise boring life with grand ideas , which funny enough paint them and friends as victims and the established world as the enemy.

Guys you aint never gonna figure it out, ever. You know why? because its chaos, there is no grand scheme, everything is not connected and everything that has ever happened is not part of a grand plan by (Insert name of secret society here).

Any conspiracy theorists here interested in natural history? you know plants, animals, evolution etc? though not, these are real truths but are far less appealling because they dont paint you in a heroic role as an enlightened truth speaker. Sorry guys, Life is beautiful, this world is wonderful and yes conspiracies exist but theyare not connected to any grand scheme. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not, as far as I'm concerned they can all go watch zeitgeist in the dark and indulge in their general anxiety disorders to their hearts content.

I have noticed an increase in this type of thinking however, and am concerned for the mental health of certian individuals as I feel this level of distrust may eventually manifest itself in something more sinister.

It pains me to think that there are people out there who see the world in such a terrible light, existance must be horrible like that. Funny how these people tend to have no real problems like hunger or serious disability. Each to his own, but when it starts becoming doctrinal then I would urge people to open there eyes and see through the fear and the lies of the paranoid conspiracy theorists and learn to love people and life again.

The new age movement started out with such nice ideas, now it has evolved into this. Shame on anyone who believes NWO, Zeitgeist, Reptoids, 2012 or any other such bs. Shame on you for being so feeble minded and blind.

Flamed Diving

Paragraphs plz.