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Gods plan for your life

  • 27-02-2009 11:36am
    #1
    TravelJunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭


    Hi,

    I just wanted to share something with you. It's a comparison between Satan's Plan (SP) and God's Plan (GP) for believers. Also a good look at how the christian life can be undermined.

    GP: Faith
    SP: Doubt

    GP: Encouragement
    SP: Discouragement

    GP: Direction
    SP: Diversion

    GP: Success
    SP: Defeat

    GP: Action
    SP: Delay

    I find this sheds some light as to how we can become confused in our walk.

    tj


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  • #2
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    Hi,

    I just wanted to share something with you. It's a comparison between Satan's Plan (SP) and God's Plan (GP) for believers. Also a good look at how the christian life can be undermined.

    GP: Faith
    SP: Doubt

    GP: Encouragement
    SP: Discouragement

    GP: Direction
    SP: Diversion

    GP: Success
    SP: Defeat

    GP: Action
    SP: Delay

    I find this sheds some light as to how we can become confused in our walk.

    tj

    some of the things on Satan's plan are good though, aren't they? Doubt can be good, so can discouragement.


  • #3
    kelly1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭kelly1


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    Hi,

    I just wanted to share something with you. It's a comparison between Satan's Plan (SP) and God's Plan (GP) for believers. Also a good look at how the christian life can be undermined.

    GP: Faith
    SP: Doubt

    GP: Encouragement
    SP: Discouragement

    GP: Direction
    SP: Diversion

    GP: Success
    SP: Defeat

    GP: Action
    SP: Delay

    I find this sheds some light as to how we can become confused in our walk.

    tj

    Thanks TJ, to add a few more if I may:

    GP: love, SP: hate
    GP: truth, SP: lies
    GP: forgiveness, SP: vengeance
    GP: hope, SP: despair
    GP: trust, SP: fear
    Wicknight wrote: »
    some of the things on Satan's plan are good though, aren't they? Doubt can be good, so can discouragement.
    Doubting God is never good. Being discouraged when we know God has promised to take care of us even when it looks like He's not, is also bad. It's all about trust.


  • #4
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    kelly1 wrote: »
    Doubting God is never good. Being discouraged when we know God has promised to take care of us even when it looks like He's not, is also bad. It's all about trust.

    How can you arrive at trust without doubt though? Do you just trust everything?


  • #5
    Overblood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    How can you arrive at trust without doubt though? Do you just trust everything?

    Looks like it.

    Doubt/skepticism is a very healthy thing to have to some extent.


  • #6
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    kelly1 wrote: »
    Doubting God is never good.
    Do you doubt Allah?


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  • #7
    pingpongz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭pingpongz


    Lol you people are crazy :eek:

    /runs away


  • #8
    Overblood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Doubting God is never good.
    Do you doubt these Gods?

    A, Goddess of the moon Babylon/Chaldea
    A'as, God of wisdom Babylon/Hittite/Hurrian
    A'ra, Local god Arabic
    A-a, Goddess of the sun Babylon/Mesopotamia/Akkadia/Semitic
    Aa Maakhuer, Lion god of truthful speech Egypt
    Aabit, Goddess of song Egypt
    Aaghu Gugu, Goddess of the of the dawn Cherokee
    Aah, God of the moon of Memphis. Egypt
    Aahmes Nefertari, Protector/punisher of humans elevated to goddesshood Egypt
    Aakuluujjusi, Creator mother Inuit
    Aasith, Goddess of the hunt, war, and the desert Egypt/Syria
    Aataentsic, Goddess Iroquois
    Aatxe, Evil spirit capable of assuming human form Basque
    Ab Kin Xoc, God of war Mayan
    Aba khatun Baikal, Goddess of the sea Siberia
    Abaangui, God whose huge nose became the moon Guarani
    Abaasy, Netherworld beings Yakut
    Abaddon, Chief of the demons of the 7th hierarchy Hebrew/Christian
    Abandinus, God known only by inscription Roman/Celtic/British
    Abarta, God of the Tuatha De Danann Ireland
    Abassi, Creator of the world Efik
    Abat[t]ur, It weighs souls and/or their deeds Mandaean
    Abeguwo, Rain goddess Melanesia/New Guinea
    Abellio See Abello
    Abello, God of apple trees Gaul
    Abeona, Guardian goddess of children leaving home to go on their own Roman
    Abere, Goddess of evil Melanesia
    Abgal, Desert and tutelary god of the Bedouins Arabic
    Abgal, Seven spirits who derived from the the Abzu Sumeria
    Abhijit, Benevolent astral deity and goddess of fortune Hindu/Puranic
    Abhijnaraja, Physician god and medicine Buddha Buddhist/Tibet
    Abhiyoga, Generic name of the servile gods Jain
    Abira, Creator Antioquia
    Abnona, Goddess of the Black Forest Gaul
    Abondia See Habondia
    Abora, Supreme Being who sat in heaven and caused the stars to move Palma Is./Canary Is.
    Abowie, Goddess of healing and sterility Ghana
    Abraxas, Occult theonym; this god has the torso and arms of a man, head of a rooster and serpent legs Greek/Oriental
    Abraxis See Abraxas
    Abrsax See Abraxas
    Abu, God of vegetation Sumeria
    Abuk, Patron goddess of women and gardens Dinka
    Abunciada See Habondia
    Abundantia, Goddess of agriculture and abundance Roman
    Abundita See Abundantia
    Abziu, Primordial deity of underground water Mesopotamia/Sumeria
    Acala, Protector of of teaching and defender of temples Buddhist/India
    Acat, God of tattooists Mayan
    Acatl See Omacatl
    Acaum See Ah Can Cum
    Acaviser, Goddess, one of the fates Etruscan
    Acca, Goddess associated with Hercules Roman
    Acca Larentia, Goddess of the earth and goddess of winter Roman/Etruscan
    Accasbel, Most likely was an early god of wine or mead Ireland
    Acchupta, Goddess of learning Jain
    Acco, Goddess of evil Greek
    Achelois, Goddess of the moon Greek
    Achelous See Achlae
    Achiyalatopa, Celestial giant monster with feathers of flint knives Zuni
    Achlae, God of rivers of some standing in the community Greek
    Achtland, Goddess of sex and magic Celtic
    Acleloos See Achlae
    Aclelous See Achlae
    Aclla, Goddesses of war and virgins Inca/Quechua
    Acna, Mother goddess Mayan
    Acolmiztli, Minor chthonic underworld god Aztec
    Acolnahuacatl, Minor chthonic underworld god Aztec
    Acoran Gran Canary, Supreme Being who really really likes milk Canary Is.
    Adad, God of wind, storm, flood and rain Mesopotamia/Babylonn
    Adamanthea, Goddess of midwives Greek
    Adamisil Wedo, Goddess of water Haiti
    Adam[m]as, Parental godhead of the gnostic movement Nassenes
    Adaro, God of the sea Melanesia/Polynesia
    Addanc, Primordial giant/god Welsh
    Adekagagwaa, Spirit of summer who rests during the winter in the south Iroquois
    Adeona, Goddess of school children Roman
    Adeos, Goddess of modesty Roman
    Adhimukticarya, Minor goddess and deified Bhumis Buddhist/Vajrayana
    Adibuddha, Primeval Buddha Buddhist
    Adidharma, Primordial goddess Buddhist
    Adikia, Goddess of injustice who is rather hard on the eyes Greek
    Adimurti, Avatar of Vishnu Hindu
    Aditi, Supreme creator of all that has been created Hindu
    Adityas, Divine sons of Aditi, Varuna Aditya, Indra, Mitra, Rudra, Tvashtar and Vishnu Hindu
    Adonis, God of nature Greek
    Adonis, Dying and resurrected god who embodies vegetation scorched by the heat of the summer sunshine Syria/Phoenicia
    Adrammelech, God to whom infants were burnt in sacrifice [only reference to the practice in the christian OT] Middle east
    Adrastea, Goddess of war British
    Adrasteia, Goddess of mountains who is the guardian of righteousness and avenges all wrongs Greek/Thrace/Trojan/Phrygian
    Adro, Earthly god of grass fires Lugbara
    Adroa, God who is an early version of Adro Africa
    Adsullata, Goddess of hot springs British
    Aea, Goddess of hunting Greek
    Aeacoc, Chthonic underworld god and one of the 3 gods of Hades Roman/Greek
    Aebhel, Goddess who is a faery [interesting story] Ireland
    Aebhel Afekan, Creator goddess Melanesia/Guinea
    Aed, Underworld god known only from inscription Celtic/Ireland
    Aedos, Goddess of modesty Roman
    Aega, Goddess of war Greek
    Aegeria, Goddess of prophecy invoked by pregnant women Roman
    Aegir, God of the ocean germanic
    Aelus See Aiolos
    Aengus, God of love, worshipped from about 500 BC/400 AD Celtic/Ireland
    Aeolos, Custodian of the four winds Greek
    Aequitas, Minor spirit of fair dealing from 300 BCE Roman
    Aerfen See Aerten
    Aericura, Underworld god known only from inscription Roman/Celtic
    Aeron See Aerten
    Aerten, Goddess of fate Welsh/Cornish
    Aesculapius, God of healing and of medicine Roman/Greek
    Aesculapius See Ascelpius
    Aesir, Pantheon of the gods norse/germanic
    Aesma Daeva, Demon of lust and anger who is ticked at the cow Persia
    Aestas, Goddess of summer usually portrayed nude and adorned with garlands of grain Roman
    Aesun, God whose name means to be Ireland
    Aether, God representing pure air and light Greek
    Aetna, Goddess of mountains Roman
    Aeval See Aebhel
    Aeval, Goddess of sexual relations and small size Celtic
    Afekan, Creator goddess Melanesia/New Guinea
    Afi, God of rain and thunderstorms who does not tolerate women using his name Abkhaz
    Afreet, Unclean spirits Arabic
    Ag'o, Worshipped by hunters Dahomean
    Agaman Nibo, Goddess of the dead Haiti
    Agamede, Goddess of healing Greek
    Agas, Demon of illness, especially the eyes Iran
    Agasaya, Goddess of war Semitic
    Agathos Daimon, Good genius/guardian spirit Greek
    Agbe See Aylekete
    Age Fon, God of animals; revered by hunters Benin/Africa(west)
    Agischanak, Goddess of the earth Tlingit/Alaska
    Aglaia, Youngest of the three graces Greek
    Aglibol, God of the moon Roman/Syria/Greek/Palmaryia
    Agni, God of lightning, fire, and the sun and who also mediates between the gods and humans India
    Agni Hindu, God of fire and guardian of homes Vedic
    Agnikumara, Youthful appearing gods associated with rain and thunder Jain
    Agnostos Theos, Unknown gods who were always worshipped as a group Greek
    Agrona, Goddess of slaughter Welsh
    Agrotera, Goddess of good health and hunting Greek
    Agu'gux, Creator god who was claimed to be the Christian god under Russia Orthodox priests Aleut
    Aguara, Fox god who gave the carob tree to the people Tunpa/Chiriguano
    Agwe, Mother of the sea Benin
    Agwe, Goddess manifestation of Yemanja Haiti/Vodun
    Agwe, God of the ocean Vodun
    Agweta, Goddess of the sea Haiti
    Ah Bolom Tzacab, Agriculture god who controlled rain and thunder Mayan
    Ah Bolon Dz'acab, Fertility god associated with rain and thunder Mayan
    Ah Can Cum, Hunter god; protector of the animals Mayan
    Ah Chun Caan, Deity of the city of Merida Mexico
    Ah Chuy Kak, God of war Mayan
    Ah Ciliz, God of solar eclipses Mayan
    Ah Cun Can, God of war Mayan
    Ah Hulneb, God of war Mayan
    Ah Kin, God of the sun, who brings drought but protects man from the powers of evil associated with darkness Mayan
    Ah Kin Xoc, God of poetry, a singer and musician Mayan
    Ah Kinchil, God of war and the sun Mayan
    Ah Kumix Unicob, Small attendant water gods Mayan
    Ah Mun, God responsible for protecting the green maize Mayan
    Ah Muzecab, Bee gods Mayan
    Ah Patnar Uinicob, Large water gods Mayan
    Ah Peku, Thunder god who lives on the tops of hills Mayan
    Ah Puch, God of death Mayan
    Ah Tabai, God of hunting Mayan
    Ah Uaynih, Goddess of sleep, specifically males Guatemala
    Ah Unicir Dz'acab, God of healing Mayan
    Ah Uuc Ticab, Minor vegetation and fertility god Mayan
    Ah Wink ir Masa, Nature goddess Guatemala
    Aha, Female river spirit Yakut
    Ahat, Cow goddess Egypt
    Ahau Chamahez, One of two gods of medicine Mayan
    Ahau Kin, Goddess of war Mayan
    Ahemait, Underworld goddess who eats the souls of the unworthy Egypt
    Aheramenmthoou, God of thunder, night, storms, wind, landslides and tidal waves Egypt
    Ahladini-Sadini See Parvati
    Ahmakiq, Agriculture god Mayan
    Ahnt Alis Pok', Very small goddess, only 2 feet high Mexico
    Ahnt kai, Goddess of women and children Mexico
    Ahone, Supreme deity who was indifferent to worship Virginia
    Ahriman, Supreme evil spirit and lord of the darkness and death Zoroastrian
    Ahsonnutli, Chief god Navaho
    Ahti, Goddess of evil Egypt
    Ahuic, Goddess of all running water Aztec
    Ahulane, God of war Mayan
    Ahura Mazda, Supreme god Persia
    Ahurani, Goddess of rain and water Persia
    Ai Ada, God of the moon Turkey
    Ai Apec Mochica, Supreme god who rules the destinies of the world Peru
    Ai Tojon, God who created all light Yakut
    Ai Tupua'i, Goddess of healing and of war Polynesia
    Aiakos, God of the underworld Greek
    Aialila'axa, Goddess of the moon Mexico
    Aiaru, Goddess who predicts death Polynesia
    Aibell, Goddess of Munster Ireland
    Aibheaeg, Goddess of fire and toothaches Ireland
    Aida Wedo, Goddess of the rainbow and fresh water Benin/Haiti
    Aidin, Goddess of love and sexuality Celtic
    Aido Wedo, Goddess of fire Haiti
    Aife, Goddess and queen of the Isle of shadow Ireland/Scotland
    Aige, Goddess of water and bays Ireland
    Aijo, Goddess of evil Estonia
    Ailsie, Goddess of water and pools Cherokee
    Aimend, Goddess of the sun Ireland/Scotland
    Ain, Goddess of war, fertility, love and Midsummer Lair Derg Ireland
    Aine See Ain
    Aine of Knockaine, Goddess of the moon who was connected with the Summer Solstice Ireland
    Aino, Goddess of justice Finnish
    Aiolos, Ruler of the winds Greek
    Airmid, Goddess of all healing arts and witchcraft Ireland
    Airsekui, Great spirit Huron
    Airyaman, God of social bonds, contracts, and marriage who at the end of time will fish souls of the the temporarily damned called a Hell by using a net Persia
    Aisha, Goddess of water Arabic
    Aisha Qandisha, Goddess of sexual activity Morocco
    Aittsamka Bella, Goddess of teaching Coola
    Aitu, Lower order of the gods Samoa
    Aitvaras, Brave and loving demon who will bring good fortune to your home when well fed and treated kindly Prussia
    Aius Locutius, God supposed to have given warning of the approach of the Gauls 391 B.C. Roman
    Aizen-Myoo, Deity who is full of compassion for mankind Buddhist
    Aizen-Myoo, God of tavern keepers, musicians, singers, prostitutes and love Japan
    Aja, Dawn goddess Babylon
    Aja, Goddess of healing, herbs and of knowledge Yoruba
    Ajalamo Yoruba, God of fetuses Africa(west)/Nigeria
    Ajatar, Goddess of evil Finnish
    Ajaya, Minor goddess Buddhist/Mahayana
    Ajbit, God who helped create people [13 were involved] Mayan
    Aje, Goddess of wealth in all its forms Yoruba
    Aji Suki Taka Hi Kone, God of thunder Japan
    Ajok, Chief god Louko
    Ajtzak, God who helped create people Mayan
    Ajysyt Yakut, Goddess of healing and birth Siberia
    Aka, Mother goddess Turkey
    Akasagarbha, Bodhisattva and the personification of supreme knowledge of the absolute void Buddhist/India
    Akelos, God of rivers Greek
    Aken, Underworld god and keeper of the underworld ferryboat Egypt
    Aker, God of the earth who guards in the entrance to the underworld Egypt
    Akerbeltz, Avatar of the god Mari Basque
    Akert khentet auset, Book of the dead deity Egypt
    Akeru, Pluralistic earth gods Egypt
    Akewa, Sun and war goddess Toba
    Akhushtal, Goddess of childbirth Mayan
    Akkadia See Isara Mesopotamia
    Akkadia See Sulman Mesopotamia
    Akna See Acna
    Akonadi, Oracle goddess of justice Ghana
    Akongo, Supreme and creator god Ngombe
    Akras Karelian See Egres
    Aksayajnana-Karmanda, One of the 12 Dharnis and the deification of literature Buddhist
    Aksobhya, Dhyani-Buddha Buddhist
    Aktunowihio, Soul of the earth and a subterranean spirit. Cheyenne
    Akuj Akuj, Chief deity Africa
    Akusaa, Goddess of war and sunset Egypt
    Akycha, Goddess of war Alaska
    Akycha, God of the sun Inuit
    Al Kahdir N. See Kahdir
    Al Lat, Goddess of fertility, procreation and the earth Arabic
    Al Shua, Goddess of Ursa Major India
    Al Uzza, Goddess of the dawn Arabic
    Ala, Goddess of fertility, morality and of justice Nigeria
    Ala Ibo, Goddess of the earth in its dual aspect of fertility and death Nigeria
    Ala Muki, Goddess of rivers who takes the form of a dragon Polynesia
    Alaaye See Olodumare
    Alaghom Naom Tzentel, Goddess of thought and intellect Mayan
    Alaisiagae, Minor goddess Roman/Celtic/British
    Alako, Sent to the earth as a human to reveal the secret laws and a band of lore of the the gypsies, he stayed over in a the moon Norway/Gypsy
    Alalahe, Goddess of love Polynesia
    Alalu Ossetian, Spirit of smallpox and protects women Caucasus
    Alalus, First heavenly King who lasted for 9 years Hurrian
    Alastor, Mortal who became a minor spirit who avenged evil deeds and demanded vengeance for crimes Greek
    Alat, Astral goddess Arabic
    Alatangana Kono, One of the two creator deities, this god created land from swamp Africa(west)/Guinea
    Alaunus, Local name for Mecurius from the Mannheim area Celtic
    Alauwaimis, Demon who drives away evil and sickness Hittite
    Albasta, Goddess of evil Slavic
    Albina, Dawn goddess and protector of ill fated lovers Etruscan
    Alcis, Goddess of physical prowess and strength Greek
    Alecto, One of the goddesses of vengeance Greek
    Alecto of Eumenides, Goddess of justice Greek
    Alectrona, Goddess of sun (daughter of the sun, really) Greek
    Alemona, Goddess of fetuses Roman
    Alephus, Minor river god Greek
    Alfhild, Goddess of wrestling norse
    Alfs, Minor race of gods germanic
    Alignak, God of the moon, storms, earthquakes and tides Inuit
    Alii Menehune, Chief of the Little People Hawaii
    Alisanos, God of stones Gaul
    Alk'unta'm Bella, God of the sun Coola
    Alkonost, Goddess of the land of the dead and justice Russia
    Allah, God Middle east
    Allatu[m], Underworld goddess Semitic(West)
    Almaqah, Astral god Arabic
    Almha, Goddess of the Tuatha De Danann Ireland
    Almoshi, Goddess of healing and cattle Slavic
    Aloadae, Giants, 54 ft.tall, who warred with the gods and lost Greek
    Aloidae See Aloadae
    Alom, Sky god who helped 6 other gods create the world Mayan
    Alopurbi, Goddess of hunting India
    Alpanu, Underworld goddess Etruscan
    Alpheus, God of rivers who fell in love with a nymph and had a bad experience Greek
    Alphito, White goddess Greek
    Altan Telgey, Goddess of the earth Mongol
    Altria, Ancient goddess of the earth Etruscan
    Aluelp, No information Caroline Is.
    Aluluei, God of knowledge Micronesia
    Am-Heh, Underworld god and minor deity who lives in a lake of fire Egypt
    Ama, Goddess of the dark and of the underworld Baikal/Siberia
    Ama No Uzume, Goddess of persuasion Japan
    Ama Terasu, Goddess of the sun, queen of the universe Japan
    Ama-arhus, Goddess of fertility Babylon/Akkadia
    Ama-Tsu-Mara, God of smiths Japan/Shinto
    Amaethon, Agriculture god Celtic
    Amagandar, Protective female spirits Siberia
    Amakandu See Sakka[n]
    Amalthea, Nymph of springs Greek
    Amasagnul, Goddess of fertility Babylon/Akkadia
    Amat-Ama-arhus See Ama-arhus
    Amaterasu O-Mi-Kami, Goddess of war and the sun Japan/Shinto
    Amaterasu Omikami See Amaterasu O-Mi-Kami
    Amatsu Mikaboshi, God of evil Japan
    Amaunet, Goddess of fertility Egypt
    Amayicoyondi, Goddess of the sky Peru
    Amba Dravidian, Goddess of the earth India
    Amberella, Goddess of the ocean Baltic
    Ambikas See Mataras
    Ambisagrus, Weather deity British
    Ame No Uzume, Goddess of fertility and happiness Japan
    Ame-No-Kagase-Wo, Astral deity who had to be executed Japan/Shinto
    Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami, Goddess of water Japan/Shinto
    Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami, Supreme god from about 600 CE till now Japan/Shinto
    Ame-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto, Goddess of weavers Japan/Shinto
    Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami, Primordial deity Japan/Shinto
    Ame-Waka-Hiko, God who goofed and had to die Japan/Shinto
    Amelenwa, Goddess of justice Africa
    Amelia, Loa of Haiti Haiti/Vodun
    Amen, Primordial creation deity Egypt
    Amen See Ammon
    Ament, Goddess who welcomes the dead to the afterworld Libya
    Amesha, Gods without being gods and created without being creatures[6 in number] Spentas/Yazatas
    Ami, God of fire Egypt
    Amida, Primordial deity Buddhist/Japan
    Amimitl, Minor god of fish hunters and lakes Aztec
    Amitabha, Fourth Dhyanibuddha Buddhist/India
    Amitolane, Rainbow spirit. Zuni
    Amm, God of weather and the moon Arabic
    Amma, Supreme god Dogon
    Amma, Creator god with a novel story Dogon/Mali
    Amma, Local god India/Dravidian/Tamil
    Ammavaru, Primordial mother goddess Hindu/India/Dravidian
    Ammit, Goddess who ate the hearts of unworthy souls Egypt
    Ammon, God of air, wind, sun, reincarnation, war Egypt
    Amn, Goddess of justice Egypt
    Amogahasiddhi, Fifth meditation Buddha Buddhist
    Amoghapasa, God Buddhist
    Amon, God of agriculture, fertility and long life Egypt
    Amor, God of love Roman
    Amphion, God of music, could make building stones move by playing his lyre Greek
    Amphitrite, Goddess of the sea Greek
    Amponyinamoa, Goddess of long life Ghana
    Amset See Imset
    Amsu, God of fertility Egypt
    Amun See Amon
    Amun, Supreme creator god Egypt
    Amunet, Goddess of mystery Egypt
    Amurru, Minor mountain god Semitic(West)
    Amymone, Goddess of springs Greek
    An, God of the Underworld and chief deity Sumeria
    An Zu, Goddess of chaos Assyria
    Ana See Dana
    Anael, Goddess of astral light Babylon
    Anahita, Goddess of water and war Babylon/Egypt
    Anahita, Goddess of fertility, semen and of water Persia
    Anahita See Ardvi Sura Anahita
    Anaitis, Goddess of fertility Persia
    Anala, Attendant god Hindu/Puranic
    Ananke, Omnipresent goddess of destiny Greek
    Anann See Anu
    Ananse, Creator of the sun, stars, day, moon and night who often intercedes between gods and mortals Ashanti
    Ananta, Snake god; one of the seven snake deities Hindu/Puranic
    Anantamukhi, One of the 12 Dharnis Buddhist
    Anantesa, Minor deity and one of the eight Lords of of knowledge Hindu/Puranic
    Anapel, Goddess who presides over birth and reincarnation Koryak
    Anasuya, Goddess of wisdom Hindu
    Anat, Warrior virgin, slayer of snakes, life and goddess of fertility Ugarit
    Anat, Goddess of war, hunting and love Canaan
    Anath See Anat
    Anath, Goddess of love and war Phoenicia
    Anatis, Goddess of the moon Egypt
    Anatu, Goddess of the sky and ruler of the earth Mesopotamia
    Anaulikutsai'x Bella, Goddess of rivers who oversees the salmon's cycle of life Coola
    Anbay S., God of justice and an oracular source Arabic
    Ancasta, Warrior Goddess British
    Anceta, Goddess of healing Roman
    Andarta, Goddess of fertility, most likely Celtic/Gaelic
    Andjety, Underworld god of the ninth nome[district] Egypt
    Andrasta Icene, Victory goddess British
    Andriaahoabu, High Lady who descends to earth on a silver chain Madagascar
    Andriam Vabi Rano, Goddess of water and lakes Africa
    Androgyne, Man/woman deity Greek
    Andromeda, Goddess of dreams Greek
    Andvari, Dwarf who can turn himself into a fish norse
    Anextiomarus, God linked with Apollo Roman/British
    Angels, Messengers between the heaven and earth, with nine orders at present Christian/Jewish/Islam
    Angerona, Goddess of anguish, secrecy, silence and the winter solstice Roman
    Angina, Goddess of health, specifically of sore throats Roman
    Angitia, Snake goddess Greek
    Angitia, Early goddess of healing and witchcraft Roman
    Angpetu Wi, God of the sun Lakota
    Angru Mainya, Evil underworld god Persia
    Angus, God of youth Celtic
    Angus Mac Og, One of the Tuatha De Danaan Ireland
    Angus Og, God of love Ireland
    Anguta, God who lives under the sea and drags down the dead Inuit
    Anhouri, Minor god Egypt
    Anhur, God of war and hunting Egypt
    Ani, Goddess of justice Africa
    Anieros, Goddess of the earth Roman/Phrygian
    Anila, One of the vasu; attendants to Vishnu Hindu/Puranic
    Aningan, God of the moon, called Igaluk in Alaska Inuit
    Anjea, Fertility spirit Australia
    Ankalamman, Guardian goddess who wards off demons Hindu/Dravidian
    Anna Kuari, Local vegetation goddess India/Oraon
    Anna Perenna, Goddess of reproduction, wanton love, and of spring Etruscan
    Annalia, Goddess of rivers Africa
    Annallja Tu Bari, Goddess of sexuality Sudan
    Annapatni, Goddess of food Hindu
    Annapurna, Goddess of autumn India
    Annis, Black goddess Celtic
    Anpao, Spirit of the dawn. Dakota
    Anqet, Goddess of water fertility healing and lust Libya
    Ansa, Minor sun god Hindu/Puranic
    Ansar, Primordial deity Babylon/Akkadia
    Anshur, Not only the goddess of the sun, she also killed the dragon of chaos during creation Assyria
    Antaboga, Underworld serpent deity ruling over the production of rice Indonesia
    Antai, Goddess of healing and whooping cough India
    Anteros, God of passion and returned love Greek/Etruscan
    Antevorta, Goddess of childbirth, the future and prophecy Roman
    Antheia, Goddess of spring Greek
    Anti, Guardian deity of the eastern sky Egypt
    Antu, Derived from the older Sumeria Ki Babylon/Akkadia
    Anu, Mother goddess associated with fertility and the primordial mother Ireland
    Anu, Head of the gods, he had an army of stars to destroy evildoers Babylon
    Anuanaitu, Goddess of the ocean andwhirlpools Caribbean
    Anubis, God of black magic, death, embalming and funerals Egypt
    Anuket, Goddess of water and of rivers Egypt
    Anukis, Birth goddess and of the cataracts of the lower Nile Egypt
    Anulap, Sky god Truk Is.
    Anumati, God of the full moon Sanskrit
    Anunit, Goddess of the morning star Chaldea
    Anunitu, Goddess of the moon Babylon
    Anunnaki, Seven judges of the Underworld; they began as fertility deities Babylon
    Anuradha, Minor goddess of fortune, she is benevolent though Hindu/Puranic
    Anus See Anu
    Anus, King of heaven who declared war on the father of the gods, he lost Hurrian
    Anwho, Goddess of war who had a shrine at Thebes Syria
    Anyigba, Goddess of hunting, luck and healing Togo
    Anzety, God and King of Busiris Egypt
    Aoife See Aife
    Aondo Tiv, Creator god who lives in the sky Nigeria
    Apa, Attendant god Hindu/Puranic
    Apacita, Guardian spirit Inca
    Apam Napat, God of fresh water Hindu/Persia/Vedic
    Apap Teso, Creator god who as a benevolent sky god brings rain Uganda
    Aparajita, Minor god/goddess Buddhist/Mahayana
    Aparajita, Form of Durga Hindu/Puranic
    Aparajita, God, a form of Rudra Hindu/Puranic
    Aparajita See Aralo
    Apate, Goddess of deceit Greek
    Apaturia, Goddess of evil Greek
    Apedmak, God of war Sudan
    Apep, Huge serpent who caused storms and eclipses and ate the sun at evening Egypt
    Apesh, Tortoise god of night, evil, and the powers of darkness Egypt
    Apet, Goddess who protects pregnant women, children, nursing mothers and justice Egypt
    Aphaea, Goddess of the moon? Greek
    Aphrodisias, Goddess of fertility Turkey(Carian)
    Aphrodite, Goddess of desire, fertility and sexual love and beauty Greek
    Aphrodite Pandemos, Goddess of sex likely conflated with Aphrodite Greek
    Apis, God of fertility Egypt
    Apiu, Weather god Etruscan
    Apkallu See Abgal
    Apo, God of mountains Inca
    Apollo, God of archery, harmony, order, inspiration, intellect, mathematics, medicine, oracles, prophecy, reason, and truth . A busy fellow. Greek
    Apolonia, Goddess of healing and toothaches Brazil
    Aponibolinayen, Goddess of the sky Philippines
    Apophis, Demon of darkness Egypt
    Apozanoltl, Running water goddess Aztec
    Appias, Fountain nymph Roman
    Apsaras, Protective deities of gamblers and Water spirits Hindu/Vedic
    Apsu, God of underground waters Babylon
    Apuat, Jackal-headed god who helps the soul choose its next incarnation Egypt
    Aquilo, Fod of the west winds Roman
    Aquit, Moon deity Americas
    Arachne, Mother goddess of Weaving Roman
    Arad-Ama-arhus See Ama-arhus
    Aralo, Agriculture god Georgia/Armenia/Crimea
    Aramazd, God Armenia
    Aranyani, Minor goddess of woodlands Hindu/Vedic
    Aranzahas, Tigris river deified Hittite
    Arapacana, God Buddhist
    Ararat, Creator goddess Anatolia
    Araua, Goddess of the moon [maybe] Roman
    Arawa Suk, Goddess of the moon Kenya/Uganda
    Arawen See Arawn
    Arawn, God of Annwn, ruled the underground Welsh
    Arawyn See Arawn
    Aray See Aralo
    Arazu, God of construction Babylon
    Archons, Primordial creator gods Christian/Gnostic
    Ard Greimme, Once God of the sun Ireland/Scotland
    Ardhanarit savara, Siva and Sakti combined Ammaiappan/Naranari
    Ardra, Minor goddess of misfortune Hindu/Puranic
    Arduinna, Goddess of forests and hunting Roman/Celtic
    Ardvi Sura Anahita, Goddess of rivers and water Persia
    Ardwinna, Goddess of woodland and animal British
    Arebati, God Bambuti/Congo
    Areimaios See Arimanius
    Areimanios, Underworld god, not nice Greek
    Ares, God of storms and war Greek
    Arete, Goddess of justice and virtue Greek
    Argante, Goddess of healing British
    Arge, Goddess of hunting Greek
    Ari Au Tchesf, Lion god Egypt
    Ariadne, Goddess of dreams Greek
    Arianrhod, Goddess of fertility and wanton love and mother aspect of the triple goddess Welsh
    Arianrod, Goddess of the moon Ireland
    Aricia, Goddess of prophetic visions Roman
    Arimanius, Underworld god Roman
    Arinna, Goddess of the sun Hittite
    Aristaeus, Protector of flocks who originated the cultivation of olives Greek
    Aristatos, God of herdsmen Greek
    Arito, Goddess of bears, prosperity and the harvest Switzerland
    Arito See Artio of Muti
    Arjuna, Heroic god Hindu/Vedic
    Arma, God of the moon Hittite/Hurrian
    Armaz, Supreme god and a warrior deity pre Christian style Georgia
    Arna'kuagsak See Nuli'rahak
    Arnakua'gak, Old woman of the sea, an animalistic spirit Inuit
    Arnamentia, Goddess of spring waters Celtic
    Arnemetia, Goddess of water known from inscriptions Roman/British
    Arom Kafir, Minor goddess contracts Afghanistan
    Arrawn See Arawn
    Arsan Duolai Yakut, Chief spirit of the underworld Siberia
    Arsay, Underworld goddess, the third daughter of Baal Canaan
    Arsu, Astral god Arabic
    Artaius, God of sheep and cattle herders Gaul
    Artemis, Goddess of agriculture, archery, hunting, chastity, virginity, fertility, childbirth,the moon, and of nature Greek
    Arthapratisamvit, Goddess of logical analysis Buddhist
    Artio of Muti See Arito
    Artio of Muti, Goddess of bears, prosperity and the harvest Switzerland
    Aruna, God of morning and warriors Hindu
    Arundhati, Astral goddess personified as the morning star Hindu/Puranic
    Aruru, Goddess Babylon
    Arvenus, Local tribal deity Gaelic
    Arya-Tara, Goddess Buddhist
    Aryaman, God of formal hospitality Hindu/Vedic
    Aryong Jong, Goddess of water and rainfall Korea
    As, Local fertility god Egypt
    As ava, Goddess of fresh water Russia
    As-im-babbar See Nanna
    Asa Poorna, Goddess of happiness India/Chohan
    Asalluha, Minor god who acts as a messenger and reporter to Enki Babylon/Akkadia/Sumeria
    Asar, Equestrian god Arabic
    Asase Afua, Goddess Ghana
    Asase Ya, Goddess of the earth, fertility and the creator of humanity Ashanti
    Asbit, Goddess of fire Egypt
    Ascelpius, God of healing, taught by Chiron the Centaur and could raise the dead Greek
    Asertu, Goddess of fertility Hittite/Canaan
    Asgaya Gigagei, God of thunder Cherokee
    Ashera, Goddess of fertility Phoenicia
    Asherah, Goddess of the sea Canaan
    Asherali, Moon and goddess of fertility Canaan
    Ashi, Goddess of wisdom India
    Ashiakle, Goddess of wealth, and of the sea Ghana
    Ashima, Goddess of the moon Semitic
    Ashimbabbar, Goddess of the moon Semitic
    Ashirat, Goddess of the Evening star Akkadia
    Ashis, Goddess of happiness India
    Ashkit, Goddess of wind Egypt
    Ashnan, Goddess of drunkenness, wine and grains Sumeria
    Ashtaroth, Moon and goddess of fertility Phoenicia
    Ashtoreth See Astarte
    Ashur See Anshur
    Ashur, Chief deity of war and fertility Assyria
    Ashvins, Sons of the sun Hindu
    Asi, Goddess of wisdom Persia
    Asiaq, Goddess of weather Inuit
    Asima Si, Goddess of water and fish Brazil
    Asintmah Athabasca, Goddess of midwives Canada/USA
    Asira, Minor god mentioned only by name Arabic
    Asis Suk, God of the sun Kenya/Uganda
    Askelpios, God of healing and physicians Greek
    Asklepios See Aesculapius
    Aslea, Minor goddess of misfortune Hindu
    Asnan See Ashnan
    Aso, Goddess of justice Egypt
    Asokottamasri, Physician god Buddhist/Tibet
    Asopos, Local river god Greek
    Aspalis W., Goddess of hunting Semitic
    Asrael, Angel of death, who takes the soul from the body. Islam
    Asratum, Goddess of fertility Canaan
    Asshur See Anshur
    Assur, National deity of Assyria Babylon/Akkadia
    Astabis, Warrior god Hurrian/Akkadia
    Astamastara, Group of mother goddesses Hindu/Puranic
    Astapaios, Prime parent ruling the seven heavens of chaos in gnostic mythology Christian/Gnostic
    Astar, Astral god Ethiopia
    Astaroth, Goddess of fertility who deals with sheepherders Semitic(West)
    Astarte, Goddess of hunting Canaan
    Astarte, Goddess of war Egypt
    Astarte, Goddess of the moon Syria
    Astarte, Goddess of fertility, sacred love, sexuality and of sex and the moon Babylon/Phoenicia/Canaan/Assyria/conference
    Astarte See Athtart
    Asterodeia, Goddess of the moon Roman
    Asthertet, Goddess of horses, war and the moon Syria
    Astlik Georgia, Pre ChristiAstral goddess Crimea
    Astoreth, Goddess of fertility Palestine/Israel/Lebanon
    Astraea, Goddess of justice, truth, of purity, innocence and modesty Roman/Greek
    Astraeos, God of astronomy and star light Greek
    Astrik, Goddess Slavic
    Asuha-No-Kami, God of courtyards Japan/Shinto
    Asuras, Sky gods who become demons Hindu/Vedic
    Asurkumara, Youthful gods associated with rain and thunder Jain
    Asvayujau, Minor goddess of fortune Hindu/Puranic
    Asvins, Physician twin gods Hindu/Vedic
    At Em, Goddess of time Egypt
    Ataa Naa Nyongmo Gan, Creator god who controls the sun and the rain, call causes disasters as epidemics and and earthquakes if you don't follow his rules Ghana
    Atabei, Goddess of the earth Cuba
    Ataecina, Underworld goddess Roman/Iberia
    Atahensic, Goddess of the sky who fell to the earth at the beginning of creation Iroquois
    Atai, Goddess of justice Africa
    Atalacamani, Goddess of ocean storms Aztec
    Atanea, Goddess of the ocean and the dawn Greek
    Atanea, Dawn goddess Marquesas Is.
    Atar, God of all fire Iran
    Atargatis, Goddess of lakes, fertility and nature Syria
    Atasamain, Astral deity Arabic
    Ate, Goddess of discord, evil, error, infatuation and justice Greek
    Atea, God of light Marquesas Is.
    Aten, God of the sun Egypt
    Atete, Goddess taken over by the Christians as the Virgin Mary Ethiopia
    Athena, Goddess of war, architecture, astronomy, science, of horses, intellect and wisdom, oxen, of purity, reason and spinning Greek
    Athene See Athena
    Athirat, Goddess of the ocean and official wife of El Canaan
    Athor, Goddess of light Egypt
    Athtart, Goddess of fertility and sex Canaan
    Atida, Goddess of hunting and rain Uganda
    Atira, Goddess of the earth and of the Evening star Pawnee
    Atius Pawnee See Tirawa
    Atl, God of water Aztec
    Atlacoya, Goddess of drought Aztec
    Atlahua, Minor god of lakes and fishermen Aztec
    Atlaonin, One of the names of the mother goddess Aztec
    Atlas, Titan who has to hold up the sky forever, he irritated Zeus Greek
    Atma, The divine spark, whatever that is, in humans India
    Atoja, Goddess of rain Peru
    Atropos, Oldest of the Fates Greek
    Attabeira See Atabei
    Attabeira Atahensic, Goddess of the sky, who fell to earth Iroquois
    Attar, God of the morning star Canaan/Semitic(West)
    Attis, God of plants Roman
    Atua Fafine Tikopia, Creator being Polynesia
    Atua I Kafika Tikopia, Supreme god viewed as a intercessor rather than a Controller Polynesia
    Atua I Raropuka Tikpoa, Creator deity Polynesia
    Atugan, Goddess of earth and the source of all life whose power is beyond understanding but can be bestowed Mongol
    Atum, Bisexual god of water Egypt
    Atunis, God similar to Adonis Etruscan
    Au, God of the sun and sky lord Gilbert Is.
    Au Co, Creator of humanity Vietnam
    Auchimalgen, Goddess of the moon Chile
    Audjal, Goddess of the earth Caroline Is.
    Aufaniae, Collective name for some mother goddesses Celtic
    Augeus, God of healing Greek
    Augralids, Goddesses of justice Greek
    Auilix, God of dawn Mayan
    Aura, Goddess of morning and of the wind Greek
    Aurita, Goddess who heals earaches Roman
    Aurora, Goddess of warriors and of the dawn Roman
    Ausaitis, God of health Lithuania
    Auseklis, Goddess linked to fertility, involved in the heavenly bathhouse Latvia
    Auset, Goddess of Sirius Egypt
    Austeja, Bee goddess Lithuania
    Auster See Notus
    Austrine, Goddess of the dawn Lithuania/Baltic
    Autyeb, Goddess of happiness and joy Egypt
    Auxesia, Goddess of growth Greek
    Avalokitesvara, Buddha designate Buddhist/India
    Avatar, Incarnation of a deity Hindu
    Avatea, God of the moon Hervey Is.
    averik Huichol See Tayau
    Averruncus, Goddess of childbirth, specifically of the delivery Roman
    Aversa, Goddess pictured carrying an ax Etruscan
    Aveta, Goddess of healing waters Celtic
    Avfruvva, Goddess of rivers Finnish
    Avrikiti Fon, Goddess of fisherman Benin
    Awitelin Tsita, Goddess of the earth Zuni
    Awonawilona, Chief deity Pueblo/Zuni
    Axiocersa, Goddess of the earth Phrygian
    Axo Mama, Goddess of the potato crops Peru
    Aya, Goddess of dawn and war Mesopotamia
    Ayaba, Goddess of the hearth Dahomean
    Ayas, Keeper of the old tablets with the words of fate Hittite
    Ayauhteot, Goddess of the moon Chile
    Ayauhteotl, Goddess of fog and mist Aztec
    Ayi' Uru'n Toyoy'n Yakut See Uru'n Ajy Toyo'n
    Ayida, Goddess of rainbows Haiti
    Ayiyanayaka, God of fields and woodland who protects against plague Sri Lanka
    Ayizan, Goddess who protects the market place Haiti
    Aylekete, God of the sea and a member of the Vodun gods Fon
    Ayt'ar, God of procreation Slavic
    Ayurvasita, Minor goddess Buddhist
    Ayyapan, God of growth Hindu
    Azacca, Agriculture god Haiti
    Azapane See Bele
    Azele Yaba, Goddess of justice Africa
    Azer Ava, Goddess of the sky Finnish/Ugric
    Azer Ava, Goddess of justice Slavic
    Azi, Red headed earth spirits who like human company, they appreciate eloquence, musical talent, tobacco, tea, and of all and reward models who please them. Those who irritate them forfeit their souls Buryat
    Aziri, Goddess of possessions Africa
    Azizos, Astral god representing the the morning star Palmyra
    Ba, Goddess of drought China
    Ba, Fertility deity Egypt
    Ba Maguje, Spirit of drunkenness Hausa
    Ba Xian, Collective name for gods China/Taoist
    Ba'Alat See Baalat
    Ba-Pef, Malevolent underworld god Egypt
    Baal, God of the thunderstorm, war, good harvests, fertility, nature, winter rain and of storms Phoenicia
    Baal, God of fertility Syria
    Baal, Storm god[originally meant lord] Canaan
    Baal Brathy, Mountain deity Phoenicia
    Baal Hammon, Sweety of Tanit Carthage
    Baal Malage, Local god known from inscription Phoenicia/Canaan
    Baal Samin[Lord of Heaven], Head of the pantheon Phoenicia/Canaan
    Baal Sapon, Mountain deity Phoenicia/Canaan
    Baalat, Queen of the gods, partial to books, libraries and writers Phoenicia
    Baalshamin, God of the sky Semitic
    Baau, Creator goddess Phoenicia
    Bab, Disrespectful rouge of a god Egypt
    Baba, Goddess of healing and fertility Sumeria
    Baba Yaga, Goddess Autumn and death Slavic
    Babylon See Isara Mesopotamia
    Babylon See Sulman Mesopotamia
    Bacabs, They stand at the four corners of the world supporting the heavens Mayan
    Bacax, Cave god known from inscription at Crita Roman/Africa(north)
    Bacchus, God Of revelry and wine Roman
    Bachu, Ancestral goddess Chibcha
    Backlum Chaam, God of male sexuality and of sex Mayan
    Badb, Much feared serpent goddess Brazil
    Badb, Goddess of war Ireland
    Badb See Morrigu
    Badb Catha See Badb
    Badi Mata, Mother goddess Hindu
    Bagala, Goddess with the power of cruelty Hindu
    Bagba, Fetish who controls the wind and rain Africa(west)
    Bagishi Kafir, God of flood waters and posterity Afghanistan
    Bagvarti Urat, Tutelary goddess Armenia
    Bahu, Goddess of Leo India
    Baiame, God of all things and master of life death Aus
    Baiji, Goddess of health and epidemics China
    Baile of the Honeyed Speech, God of Blarney Ireland
    Baj Bajania, Rather joyous forest god Yakut
    Bala, Mother goddess Hindu
    Bala, Messenger goddess Jain
    Bala-Sakti, Goddess Dravidian
    Balakrsna, They are guardian deities Mayan
    Balaparmita, Philosophical deity Buddhist
    Balarama, God of agriculture India
    Baldaer, Dying god, identical to Balder Anglo-Saxon
    Balder, Dying god, aslo god of poetry norse
    Baldr See Balder
    Bali, Demonic god Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Ball Hermon, Mountain deity Phoenicia
    Balor, God of death Ireland
    Baltis, Local goddess Arabic
    Ban Chuideachaidh Moire, Goddess Ireland
    Ban Naomha, Goddess of war Ireland
    Banba, Part of a triad with Fotia and Eriu and as well as an goddess of the earth Ireland
    Banbha Cavillaca, Virgin Goddess who was impregnated by a sneaky god Peru
    Banebdjedet, God possibly involved with arbitration Egypt
    Banemdedet, God of sexual fertility Egypt
    Banga Ngbandi, Creator god and creator of white skinned people Zaire
    Bangala See Libanza Upotos
    Banka Mundi, Goddess of hunting India
    Bar, God of mountains, war, deserts, battle Syria
    Barastar Ossetian, God who judges souls, sending them to paradise or oblivion Caucasus
    Baron Samedi, God of death magic and the underworld Haiti/Vodun
    Barong, Protective spirit Bali
    Barsamin, Weather/sky god Armenia
    Basamum, God of healing Arabic
    Bast, Cat goddess, healing, life and war Egypt
    Bastet, Goddess of fertility, love, sex,of joy Egypt
    Batak See Mula Djadi Tobak
    Batara Guru, God who made the earth Indonesia
    Baty, Cow goddess of fertility Egypt
    Bau, Goddess of the dawn and the sky Phoenicia
    Bau, Goddess of fertility Sumeria
    Baubo, Goddess of bawdy laughter Greek
    Bebhionn, Goddess of healing Ireland
    Bechoil, Goddess whose legends have been lost Ireland
    Becuma, Goddess who ruled over magical boats Ireland
    Beda, Goddess of unknown responsibilities germanic
    Beelsamin, God of the sun and lord of the sky Phoenicia
    Befana, Goddess of winter who was kind, each January fifth she distributes goodies to good children and lumps of coal to those who are not Roman
    Beg-Tse, God of war Buddhist/Tibet
    Behanzin Fon, Fish god Benin
    Beiwe, Goddess of the Summer solstice and war Saami/Lappland
    Bel, Generic term means Lord, not god as some claim Babylon/Akkadia
    Belata-Cardu, God of the destruction of your enemies Gaul
    Belatucadros, God of war British
    Bele, God of fear, mischief and trickery who gave fire and water to mankind Sudan/Africa
    Bele Alua, Tree goddess Ghana
    Belenos See Borvo
    Belenus, God charged with the welfare of sheep and cattle, he also was God of the sun and healer in some regions and associated with Beltane Pan-Celtic
    Belet-Seri, Goddess of the underworld, who kept track of the dead coming through Babylon/Akkadia
    Belili, Goddess of the moon Mesopotamia
    Belisama, Goddess of the Mersey River British
    Belisama, Goddess of crafts and the forge Gaul
    Belit Ilani, Goddess of warriors Babylon
    Belit Seri, Goddess of justice and fairness Babylon
    Belit-Ili, Mother goddess Babylon/Akkadia
    Belitsari See Belet-Seri
    Bella Penu, Local deity Khond(India)
    Bellona, Goddess of war and mother goddess Roman
    Belobog, God of happiness, luck, and order Belun/Slavic
    Belogob, God of the living Slavic
    Beltiya, Generic name for goddesses Babylon/Akkadia
    Bendis, Goddess of the moon and Mother goddess Thrace
    Bentakumari, Goddess of water India
    Benten See Benzi-Ten
    Benten-San, Goddess of good fortune,one of seven fortune deities Japan/Shinto
    Benu, God of the sun in a bird like form Egypt
    Benzai-Tenno See Benzi-Ten
    Benzi-Ten, Goddess of eloquence, language, arts, fortune, water, and knowledge Japan
    Bera Pennu, Vegetation goddess India
    Berecyntia, Goddess of the earth Gaul
    Bereginy, Goddesses of hunting Slavic
    Bereguni, River nymphs accused of stealing newborn children Slavic
    Berenice, Goddess of Coma Berenices Egypt
    Bertha, Goddess of spinning norse
    Beru, Butterfly demon who appears at the female puberty rites Brazil
    Bes, God of childbirth, food, love, marriage, luck, recreation, relaxation and sleep Egypt
    Bethel, Local tutelary god Phoenicia
    Bhadra, Minor goddess Hindu/Puranic
    Bhaga, Minor sun god Hindu/Puranic/Vedic
    Bhagavan, Tutelary god India
    Bhaiarva, Minor form of Siva Hindu/Puranic
    Bhairavi, Goddess of terror Hindu
    Bhaisajyaguru, Medicine Buddha Buddhist/Tibet
    Bharani, Minor goddess of misfortune Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Bharat Mata, Mother goddess who is the mother of India Hindu
    Bharati, Minor goddess of sacrifices Hindu/Vedic/Epic
    Bhavanavasi, Generic name given to deities who look youthful Jain
    Bhavani, Goddess of midwives India
    Bhima, Minor goddess Buddhist
    Bhima, Warrior and rain god Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Bhimsen See Bhima
    Bhimul Pen See Bhima
    Bhrkuti-Tara, Mother goddess and Buddha designate Buddhist/Tibet
    Bhumi, Collective name for a group of deities Buddhist/Vajrayana
    Bhumi Devata, Vegetation goddess India
    Bhumidevi, Goddess of fertility Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Bhumiya, Fertility and guardian god of the fields Hindu/Puranic/Vedic
    Bhut, Rather nasty evil spirit so don't irritate it India
    Bhutadamara, God Buddhist/Mahayana
    Bhutamata, Terrible goddess, a frightening form of Parveti Hindu
    Bhuvanesvari, Goddess Hindu
    Bi-har, Guardian deity who protects against demons Buddhist/Tibet
    Bia, Goddess of force Greek
    Bibi, Goddess of healing and cholera Gypsy
    Biblys, Goddess of fountains Greek
    Biddy Mannion, Goddess of midwives Ireland
    Bidhgoe, Goddess of love and of sexuality Celtic
    Bikeh Hozho, Goddess of happiness Navaho
    Bila, Goddess of war Australia
    Biliku, Goddess of weavery, storytelling, arts and crafts Native American
    Bing Yi See He Bo
    Bintang, Goddess of love Borneo
    Binzuru-Sonja, God of fine vision and curing who is unable to escape pain, therefore he helps others to do so Japan
    Birdu, Minor underworld god Babylon/Akkadia
    Bisal Mariamna, Goddess of war India
    Bisam, Goddess of health and diseases India
    Bishamon, One of the seven gods of luck and the Buddhist patron of warriors Japan
    Bishamon-Ten, God of wealth and protector of human life who chases demons Japan
    Bishamontenno See Bishamon-Ten
    Bitol, Sky god[one of 7] who helped create the world and its mortals Mayan
    Bladud, God of the sun Welsh
    Blathnat, Maiden form of the triple goddess Ireland/Welsh
    Blid, Goddess of happiness norse
    Bo Dhu, Black cow goddess Ireland
    Bo Find, White cow goddess Ireland
    Bo Hsian, God China/Taoist
    Bo Ruadh, Goddess who helped bring fertility to barren Ireland Ireland
    Boann, Goddess of fertility and the river Boyne Ireland
    Boannan Boyne See Boann
    Bochica, Supreme sun god and a god of law Chibcha
    Bodua, Goddess of war Celtic
    Bodva See Badb
    Boibhniu, Blacksmith god Celtic
    Boinne Guary See Guaire
    Bokwus, Wild spirit of the woodlands Kwakiutl
    Bolbe, Lake goddess Greek
    Boldogasszony, Virgin goddess who protected mothers and children Hungary
    Bolon Ti Ku, Collective name for the the nine underworld gods who are not well defined Mayan
    Bombat KaMayann, Local deceased goddess Hindu
    Bomo Rambi, Goddess of the moon Zimbabwe
    Bomong, Goddess of war Minyong
    Bomu Rambi See Bomo Rambi
    Bona Dea, Goddess of fertility, great prophecy, the dispenser of healing herbs and rather prim and chaste Roman
    Bonchor, God thought to be the creator deity Tunisia
    Boora Pennu Khondi, God of light who created the goddess of the earth and they made the other great gods India
    Boraspati ni Tano, Earth spirit Batak
    Boreas, God of the North wind Greek
    Borghild, Goddess of the moon norse
    Bormanus, God of hot springs Celtic/Briton
    Bormanus See Borvo
    Bormonia, Goddess of healing Roman
    Borvo, God of hot springs who replaced his mother Sirona British/Gaul
    Brag srin mo, Goddess of fertility and an ancestral goddess Tibet
    Bragi, God of eloquence and wisdom norse
    Brahani, Mother goddess Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Brahma, Supreme god and creator of the cosmos Hindu
    Brahma, Creator god, part of the main hindu trinity, the other two being Vishnu and Shiva. Brahma is the unmoved, uncaused first cause, and he created everything. Hindu
    Branab Llyr, God of the dead and can restore them life Celtic
    Brangwaine, Goddess of love Welsh
    Branwen, Venus of the Northern Seas and a goddess of love Ireland/Welsh/Manx
    Branwyn See Branwen
    Breasal, High King of the entire planet Welsh/Cornwall
    Breksta, Goddess of darkness Lithuania
    Brenos, God of war Celtic
    Bres Maclatha, Vegetation god Ireland
    Brhaspati, Astral god personifying Jupiter Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Briant, Goddess of the river which holds her name
    Bridget See Brigantia
    Brigantia, Goddess of sovereignty Britishnia British
    Brigantia, Goddess of the seasons, doctors smiths, poets, and women in childbirth Pan-Celtic
    Brigantis, Goddess of the moon Celtic
    Brighid, Goddess of education, healing, sore eyes Celtic
    Brighid, Goddess of metal working Gaelic
    Brigit See Brigantia
    Brigit, Goddess of fertility Ireland
    Brihaspati, God of incantation and ritual India
    Brimo, Death goddess Greek
    Brisaya, Goddess of the dawn Greek
    Britannia, Genia Lor of British British
    Britomartis, Goddess depicted as a hunter Crete
    Brizo, Goddess worshiped as a prophet Delos Greek
    Brome, Nymph who was a nurse for Dionysus Greek
    Bromo See Borvo
    Bronach, Goddess linked to forgotten Samhain rituals Ireland
    Brono, God of light norse
    Buadza Gan, God of the wind Ghana
    Bubastis, Goddess of childbirth Egypt
    Bubilas, Goddess of bees Lithuania
    Buddha, Deified after his death India
    Buddhaalocana, Goddess and female Buddha Buddhist/Shingon
    Buddhabodhiprabhavasita, Minor goddess Buddhist
    Buddhaheruka See Vairocana
    Buddhakapala, God Buddhist/Mahayana
    Budha, Astral god Hindu/Puranic/Buddhist/Vedic/Epic
    Budhi Pallien, Goddess of the forest India
    Buga, Supreme god Siberia/Tungus
    Bugady Musun, Goddess who was the mother of all animals Evenki
    Bugid Y Alba, God of war Haiti/Puerto Rico
    Buk Neur, Goddess of rivers and streams Sudan
    Buku, God/goddess of the sky Africa(west)
    Bulaing Karadjeri, Goddess Australia
    Bulan, Goddess of the moon Indonesia/Malaysia
    Bulane, God of water Mozambique
    Buluc Chabtan, God of war Mayan
    Buluga Andaman, God Islands
    Bumba Bantu, God of fire Africa
    Bumerali, Goddess of physical prowess Australia
    Bunbulama, Goddess of rain Australia
    Bunzi, Rain goddess Zaire
    Buri, One of two primordial beings norse
    Buriyas, God of war Iran/Kassite
    Burundi See Imana Banyarwanda
    Bussumarus See Ambisagrus
    Bussumarus Amelia, Loa of Haiti Haiti/Vodun
    Buto, Cobra god of Lower Egypt and justice Egypt
    Buxenus, God of box trees Gaul
    C(co)chimetl, Minor god of merchants and commerce Aztec
    Ca the a, Goddess of love Mojave
    Cabaguil, God who helped create the world and mortals Mayan
    Caca, Goddess of fire Roman
    Cacoh, Creator god Mayan
    Caelestis, Goddess of the moon Carthage
    Caer Ibormeith, Usually thought of as a goddess of sleep and dreams Ireland
    Cagn Mantis, Creator Africa
    Cailleach See Caillech
    Caillech, Goddess of winter and the goddess in her destroyer aspect Ireland/Scotland/Manx
    Caireen, Protective mother goddess Ireland
    Caishen, God of wealth China
    Cakra, Mind of the creator Hindu
    Cakresvari, Goddess of learning Jain
    Cakulha, God of the lessor lightning bolts Mayan
    Calliope, Muse of of poetry and eloquence bonds Greek
    Callisto, Nymph Greek
    Cally Berry, Maiden goddess Ireland
    Calounger, Death goddess and/or Goddess of the sea Brazil
    Calypso, Nymph who kept Odysseus captive for seven years Greek
    Camaxtli, God of war and fire as well as one of the 4 gods who created the world Aztec
    Camaxtli, Here he is a god of fate Mayan
    Camenae, Goddess of springs and rivers Roman
    Camenae See Kam,enae
    Camilla, Goddess of fire Italy
    Camozotz, Bat god Mayan
    Campestres, Lost goddess of fields Roman/Gaul
    Camulos, God of war [Colchester ?] Briton
    Canda, Terrible goddess and a distinct form of Durga Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Candali, Goddess of terrible appearance Buddhist/Tibet
    Candamius, Astral god Roman/Iberia
    Candanyika, Distinctive form of Durga Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Candavati, Form of Durga Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Candelifera, Goddess of childbirth and midwives Roman
    Candesvari, Minor goddess who stands upon a corpse Buddhist/Mahayana
    Candfrasekhara, Form of Siva Hindu/Puranic
    Candi, Goddess Durga in her moon form India
    Candika, Goddess of desire Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Candit, Goddess of streams Sudan
    Candogra, Goddess, a distinctive form of Durga Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Candra, Planet god commonly affiliated with the moon Hindu/Puranic/Buddhist/Epic
    Candsvera, Minor god and benevolent aspect of Siva Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Canidia, Goddess of the moon who was also a sorceress Greek
    Cankilikkaruppan, Local god Hindu/Dravidian/Tamil
    Canola, Believed to be one of the oldest of the Ireland deities Ireland
    Caolainn, Goddess of wisdom healing and fertility Ireland
    Capakan, God of earthquakes and mountains Mayan
    Cardea, Goddess of door hinges Roman
    Carika, Goddess of the repetitive chant Buddhist
    Cariociecus, God of war Roman/Iberia
    Carlin See Caillech
    Carlin, Goddess of winter and Shaimin Scotland
    Carman, Goddess of County Wexford and black magic Ireland
    Carme, Nymph and companion of Artemis Greek
    Carmenta, Goddess of childbirth and midwives, prophecy and springs Roman
    Carmentes, Minor goddesses of birth Roman
    Carna, Goddess of health Roman
    Carne, Most likely another version of Herne British/Cornwall
    Carravogue, Goddess of winter from County Meath Crone British/Ireland
    Carridwen, Goddess of the moon Welsh
    Caryatis, Goddess of healing Greek
    Castalia, Goddess of springs Greek
    Catana See Anu
    Catequil, God of lightning and thunder Inca
    Cathubodia, Briton version of the Ireland goddess of the earth Banbha Briton
    Cathubodua, Goddess of war Pan-Celtic
    Caturmurti, Specific form of Vishnu [4 faces] Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Cauri, Goddess of terrifying appearance Buddhist/Tibet
    Cavillaca, Virgin goddess who was impregnated by a sneaky god Peru
    Ce Actal, Minor creator god Aztec
    Ceacht, Goddess of medicine Ireland
    Cebhfhionn, Goddess of inspiration Ireland
    Ceile De See Kele De
    Ceiuci, Star goddess who created all animals Brazil
    Celedones, Goddesses of happiness Greek
    Cenkalaniyammal, Local goddess who guards the paddy fields Hindu/Dravidian/Tamil
    Centeocihuatl, Goddess of maize Aztec
    Centeotl, Maize god Aztec
    Centzon-Totochtin, Party gods, a drunken and immoral group who meet frequently Aztec
    Ceres, Goddess of agriculture, grain and summer Roman
    Ceridwen, Goddess of inspiration and the hag aspect of the mother goddess Welsh
    Cerklicing, God of fields and grain Latvia
    Cernunnos, God of fertility and the horned god Pan-Celtic
    Cernunnos, God of prosperity Roman
    Cerridwen, Goddess of mountains British
    Cerridwen, Goddess of fertility Celtic
    Cerridwen, Moon, grain, education and healing goddess Welsh/Scotland
    Cessair, Well known pre-Celtic mother goddess Ireland
    Cethlion, Goddess of the sea and the Formorians Ireland
    Ceto, Goddess of the sea Greek
    Ceyon See Murukan
    Cghene, Creator god with no material aspect, but a nice guy, no temple or priest Nigeria/Isoko
    Ch'ang O, Goddess of the moon China
    Ch'ang Tsai, God of the spleen China
    Ch'eng Huang, God of the land,ditches, moats and the people China
    Ch'I-You, God of weapons, dancers, smiths and war China
    Ch'ih Sung tzu, Lord of the rain China
    Ch'ing Lung, God of the lungs China
    Ch'ung Ling yu, God of the nose China
    Chac, God of lightning, rain, thunder, wind and fertility Mayan
    Chac Mol See Chac
    Chac Uayab Xoc, Fish god known as the great demon shark Mayan
    Chac Xib Chac, God of sacrifice and war Mayan
    Chahuru, Spirit of water Pawnee
    Chaitanya, Mendicant god Hindu/Puranic
    Chakwaina Okya, Goddess of childbirth Zuni
    Chalchiuhtlcue, Goddess rain and storms, violence, vitality, lakes, whirlpools, rivers, water , love, beauty and youth Don't make this one mad whatever you do. Aztec
    Chalchiutotolin, Penitence god Aztec
    Challalamma, Goddess of buttermilk [?] India
    Chalmeacacihuitl, Minor underworld goddess Aztec
    Chalmetcal, Minor underworld god Aztec
    Chamer, God of death Mayan
    Chan Hs'ien, Guardian god of children who had been a mortal King China
    Chandika See Narasinhi
    Chandra, God of the moon Vedic
    Chang Fei, God of war and butchers China
    Chang Hsien, God of dreams and of pregnancy China
    Chang Pan, God of masons China
    Chang Tao Ling, God of the afterlife and head of the heavenly Ministry of exorcism Taoist/Chan
    Chang Xi, Goddess of the moon China
    Chang Yong, Goddess of justice China
    Changing Woman, Goddess of the moon Cherokee
    Chango, Warrior god who defends against enemies who want the land, wealth and women Africa
    Chantico, Goddess of hearth fires and volcanoes. Aztec
    Chao san Niang, Goddess of wig salesmen China
    Chao T'eng k'ang, God of the bowels China
    Chaob, Wind god Mayan/Lacandon
    Chaos, Mother of the gods Babylon
    Charis, Minor goddess Greek
    Chasca, Goddess of the dawn and the dew Inca
    Chattrosnia, God Buddhist
    Chaya, Goddess Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Chebeldei, Inhabitants of the lower world Siberia
    Chemosh, Head god Moab
    Chen Kao, God of the ears China
    Cheng San Kung, God of fishing China
    Cheng Yuan ho, God of strolling singers China
    Chernobog, God of chaos and the night Slavic
    Cherubim, Guardians of important places and they intercede both with the gods/and for the gods Mesopotamia
    Chhih of warg tzu, God of rain China
    Chi Po, God of the winds China
    Chi Sung Tzu, Rain god China
    Chia, Goddess of the moon Chiboa
    Chiang, Goddess of agriculture China
    Chibchacum, God of farmers and merchants Chibcha
    Chibiabos, Brother of Nanabush Algonquin
    Chibilias, Goddess of the rainbow Mayan
    Chibirias, Goddess of the earth, who sends the rain and paints the earth Mayan
    Chiccan, Gods of rain Mayan
    Chickcharney, Small furred/feathered spirit of the forest Andros Is/Bahamas
    Chicoahui Itzcuintli-Chantico, God of lapidaries Aztec
    Chicomecoatl, Goddess of grain, fertility and frost Aztec
    Chicomenochtli, God of painters and solar pleasure[not my claim] Aztec
    Chiconahui, Hgoddess of the earth Aztec
    Chicoonahuiehecatl, Minor creator god Aztec
    Chie, Fun loving goddess Chibcha
    Chih Jih, God of the day China
    Chih Nii, Goddess of spinning China
    Chih Nu, Goddess of weaving China
    Chikara Korekore, Sky god Zimbabwe
    Chimalmat, Goddess of the Little Dipper Mayan
    Chimata No Kami, God of crossroads, roads and footpaths Japan
    Chimera, Goddess of volcanoes Greek
    Chiminagua, Omnipotent god who created the earth in a rather simple matter Chibcha
    Chin hua Niang niang, God of drums and violins China
    Ching Ling Tzu, God of tea China
    Chinnamastaka, Goddess, a headless form of Durga Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Chinnintamma, Goddess of households India
    Chio Yuan Tzu, God of the brain China
    Chipiripa, Rain god Curra
    Chirakan Ixmucane, One of the new goddess formed by the 4 gods who made the world Mayan
    Chiuacoztl, Goddess of childbirth Nahu
    Chiuke Ibo, Sky god who is also regarded as Creator god Nigeria
    Chlaus Haistic, Ancient goddess of unknown function Ireland
    Chloris, Goddess of flowers Greek
    Chnum, God Egypt
    Chokmah, Goddess of order and wisdom Spain
    Chol Nuer See Col
    Cholmus, Creator of animals Siberia
    Chonsu, God of the moon Egypt
    Chors, Pre-Christian sun god Balkans
    Chos-Skyon, Tutelary guardian deity Buddhist/Tibet
    Chou Wang, God of sodomy China
    Chowa, Goddess of health India
    Christalline, Evil goddess of the sea Haiti
    Chronos See Cronus
    Chronus See Cronus
    Chu jung, God of fire and the celestial executioner China
    Chu Niao, God of the heart China
    Chu Ying, God of the eyes China
    Chuang Mu, Goddess of the bedroom China
    Chuginadak, Goddess of fire and volcano Aleut
    Chuh Kamuy, Goddess of the moon China
    Chul Tatic Chites Vaneg, Creator god Mayan
    Chulavete, Goddess of the morning star Mexico
    Chun T'i, Goddess of the dawn and warriors China
    Chunda, Goddess of happiness Buddhist
    Chung K'uei, God of the afterlife who belongs to the Ministry of exorcism China/Taoist
    Chung kuei, Protector of those who travel and god of examinations China
    Chung Liu, God of eaves China
    Chup, Goddess of the wind and rain Chumash
    Chup Kamui, Goddess of war and the sun Japan/Ainu
    Cian, God of medicine Ireland
    Cihuacoatl, Goddess whose roaring signaled war Aztec
    Cihuacoatl-Quilaztli, Creator goddess with a rather unique way of creating humanity Aztec
    Cihuateto, Women who die in childbirth, gain eternal life and become spirits who accompany the sun Aztec
    Cinei, Goddess of the sea Siberia/Chukchee
    Cinteotl, God of fertility Aztec
    Cinteotl, God of Maize Nahu
    Cinxia, Minor goddess of marriage[ She worries over the attire of the bride] Roman
    Cipactli, Primordial goddess of water Aztec
    Circe, Goddess of healing and of herbs Greek
    Cista, Goddess of the morning star Persia
    Cit Bolon Tum, God of medicine Mayan
    Cit Cac Coh, God of war iconised as a red Puma Mayan
    Citalatonac, Creator god Aztec
    Citlalicue, Creator goddess and the goddess of Milky Way Aztec
    Citra, Minor goddess of misfortune and a malevolent astral deity Hindu/Puranic/Epic
    Citrasena, Goddess Buddhist/Mahayana
    Cittavasita, Minor goddess Buddhist
    Cizin, God of death Mayan
    Clairm'e, River loa Haiti/Vodun
    Clairmezin'e, Goddess of rivers Haiti
    Clementia, Goddess who was invoked to protect the citizen against the emperor's absolute use of power Roman
    Cleone, Goddess of water Greek
    Clio, Goddess of history Roman/Greek
    Cliodna, Goddess Ireland/Scotland
    Clota, Goddess and namesake of the River Clyde British/Welsh/Scotland
    Coatlicue, Goddess of the earth Aztec
    Coatrischie, Goddess of water, winds, and storms Cuba/Taino
    Coca Mama, Goddess of health, happiness and the coca plant Peru
    Cocha, Goddess of rain Peru
    Cocidius See Segomo
    Cocidus, Goddess of hunting British
    Cocijo, Rain god Zapotec/Mexico
    Col, Rain and thunderstorms god Sudan
    Colel Cab, Chthonic goddess of the earth Mayan
    Colleda, Goddess of the winter solstice Koliada/Serbia
    Colop U Uichkin, Sky god who, with a night avatara of the same name, is the bringer of disease Mayan
    Comus, God of banquets, drunkenness and merriment Roman/Greek
    Conchenn, Goddess of love Celtic
    Concordia, Goddess of harmony, peace and justice Roman
    Condatis, Local god Roman/British
    Condwiramur, Goddess of sovereignty Welsh
    Coniraya, Creator of all things and founder of agriculture Quechua
    Consentes See Pan
    Consus, God of counseling and negotiation Roman
    Copia, Goddess of prosperity Roman
    Corchen, Goddess of which very little is known Ireland/Manx
    Cordelia See Creiddylad
    Core See Kore
    Corra, Goddess of prophecy and who regularly appeared in the form of a crane Scotland
    Corus, God of the wind Roman
    Coti Bushman, Goddess of hunting Africa
    Cotys, Goddess of the earth who presided over debauchery Phrygian
    Cotys, Goddess of fertility Thrace
    Coventina, Goddess of healing, wells and water Celtic
    Coyolxauhqui, Goddess of the moon Aztec
    Coyote, Demigod/creator/trickster Pan-W.USA
    Cratos, God of strength Greek
    Credne, God of metallurgy and smithing Ireland
    Creiddylad, Goddess of summer flowers and the sea Welsh
    Creidhne, God of Metal working Celtic
    Creudylad See Creiddylad
    Crionis, God of rivers Greek
    Crnobog, God of death Slavic
    Crnoglav See Crnobog
    Crobh See Inghean
    Crobh Dearg, Goddess of war Ireland
    Cromm Cruaich, Ancient deity Ireland
    Crone, Third aspect of the Triple goddess Ireland
    Cronos, Minor harvest and God of the sun with Greek roots Celtic
    Cronus, God of and agriculture who became king of the Titans for a while Greek
    Crove Dairg See Crobh Dearg
    Cu Chulain, God of warriors and chivalry Celtic
    Cuba, Goddess children's sleep and infants Roman
    Cuchulainn See Cu Chulain
    Cueravaperi, Goddess of rain and drought Mexico
    Cumhau, God of death Mayan
    Cunda, Goddess considered a deification of literature Buddhist/Tibet
    Cunina, Goddess of infants who are in the cradle Roman
    Cupid, God of love Roman
    Cura, Goddess of healing Roman
    Curche See Kurke
    Cutzi, Goddess of the moon Americas
    Cuvto ava, Goddess of trees Russia
    Cybele, Goddess of forests, mountains, and fertility Phrygian
    Cybele


  • #9
    TravelJunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭TravelJunkie


    Wicknight wrote: »
    some of the things on Satan's plan are good though, aren't they? Doubt can be good, so can discouragement.

    No. but christian life aside, both doubt and discouragement are negative. Everyone should agree positive attitude is better than negative.

    For a christian, the question is where does this negativity come from? You can only fight it if you know where it starts.


  • #10
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    No. but christian life aside, both doubt and discouragement are negative. Everyone should agree positive attitude is better than negative.
    I wouldn't agree with that.

    Doubt has lead to some of the most amazing breakthroughs in understanding, from science to art, in human history, when someone looked at something that everyone said was true and doubted. People are wrong. A lot. It is healthy to doubt what you have been told by others (including religion) and what you believe yourself.

    Discouragement often stops people from doing stupid things. A friend of mine a few months ago wanted to cheat on his boyfriend. I told him not to do it. He didn't. They broke up soon afterwards (which I think was good), but I know my friend would have felt really bad if he had cheated.

    Doubt and discouragement certainly have their places in this world.


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    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    No. but christian life aside, both doubt and discouragement are negative. Everyone should agree positive attitude is better than negative.

    For a christian, the question is where does this negativity come from? You can only fight it if you know where it starts.

    Well if you just assume it comes from Satan then you're probably not going to to much to fight productively it, are you? Far better to look for the real source of such issues, typically ourselves, and rationally assess whether they are relevant or not.

    Doubt is very much a positive thing. It is fully correct to doubt unusual claims until there is evidence. It's fully correct to discourage immoral actions.


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  • #12
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Overblood, I'm sorely tempted to delete your last post. If you cant grasp the fact that Christian reject all other gods then you should really devote a considerable amount of time to perusing the basics of Christianity.

    pingpongz, you get one chance. Read the charter and make sure that you don't troll again.


  • #13
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    If you cant grasp the fact that Christian reject all other gods then you should really devote a considerable amount of time to perusing the basics of Christianity.

    I think that was his point.

    Christians happily doubt other gods. They happily discourage worshipping other gods.

    Doubt and discouragement are not tools of the devil. Doubting your god is not a tool of the devil, any more than you doubting any of those gods Overblood listed is a tool of the devil.

    Doubt is good, it is healthy.


  • #14
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I think that was his point.

    Christians happily doubt other gods. They happily discourage worshipping other gods.

    Doubt and discouragement are not tools of the devil. Doubting your god is not a tool of the devil, any more than you doubting any of those gods Overblood listed is a tool of the devil.

    Doubt is good, it is healthy.

    Did I say otherwise? I've not mentioned anything about doubt - something that I actually think can be healthy. I'm talking about a post that manages to hog most of the screen with a massive list of gods we all know Christians reject (bar Yahwey). It is unnecessary and unacceptable, and dare I say, in terms of internet decorum, it is also a little rude.

    It should be noted that there is an obvious distinction to be made between God and god(s).


  • #15
    Overblood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    If you cant grasp the fact that Christian reject all other gods then you should really devote a considerable amount of time to perusing the basics of Christianity..

    If you can doubt the 1000 Gods listed here, why can't you doubt one more?

    And if doubt is "Satan's plan" and Faith is "Gods plan", what is your approach to the Gods listed? Doubt them or have faith in them?


  • #16
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    You could have simply asked your question rather than posting the list. Also, as per your post, you should also be aware of the distinction between God and god when you are talking to a Christian. The former is a proper noun because 'God' is the name of the Christian deity.

    If you really must know, I have doubted God at times. But having the occasional doubt doesn't mean that you don't believe in him. So I'm not sure what this focus on doubt is all about. Indeed, that doubt has often fuelled my desire to investigate the whole 'God' question further rather than resting on my laurels.

    Your initial question is about as sensible as me asking you to not doubt one less deity - God (note the capital G).


  • #17
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    Did I say otherwise? I've not mentioned anything about doubt

    :confused:

    You appear to be agreeing with Overblood's point, a point that has apparently not been realised by the OP and others who agree with him.

    If you think the post was too long for Boards.ie that is fair enough. But that wasn't what you were giving out about. You were saying Overblood doesn't understand Christianity and then proceeded to agree with his point :confused:
    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    It should be noted that there is an obvious distinction to be made between God and god(s).
    Which is?


  • #18
    kelly1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭kelly1


    Why is it that virtually every thread on this forum descends into silly bickering? :(


  • #19
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    kelly1 wrote: »
    Why is it that virtually every thread on this forum descends into silly bickering? :(

    Because you guys seem incapable of simply saying "that is a good point", if an atheist makes it

    If an atheist had started this thread, saying something like "I really don't like the way in Christianity you aren't supposed to doubt things" you would have 50 Christians posters coming on saying that doubt is good, healthy and fully in line with theistic belief.

    But if a Christian says doubt is the work of Satan and an atheist says "That doesn't make sense" you guys starting giving out that we don't understand Christianity :rolleyes:


  • #20
    Overblood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    You could have simply asked your question rather than posting the list.

    No I think the people here need to see just how many different gods and religions they are dismissing over their ONE. Even I was surprised at the size of the list.
    It should be noted that there is an obvious distinction to be made between God and god(s).

    Can you explain this distinction please? That your god "God" is creator of everything, and the slavic god of thunder just created thunder? I honestly don't know, I think the answer is staring me in the face.


  • #21
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Wicknight wrote: »
    :confused:

    You appear to be agreeing with Overblood's point, a point that has apparently not been realised by the OP and others who agree with him.

    If you think the post was too long for Boards.ie that is fair enough. But that wasn't what you were giving out about. You were saying Overblood doesn't understand Christianity and then proceeded to agree with his point :confused:


    Which is?

    The point of overbloods' offending list, as evidenced by his last post, seems to be simply to show that the other gods Christians reject is somehow newsworthy. It not though! Hence my first post. In fact, it's about as useful as posting in the Man U thread the names of the 1000's of other teams around the world that the supporters don't follow. Admittedly I did not initially explain why I was tempted to delete his post - this was an oversight on my part - but I attempted to clear this up in my response to your interjection. You seem to be confusing this issue with the Christian non-belief in other gods.

    By way of clarification.

    *The list was too long. I (belatedly) warned OB about this and later suggested that his point could have been as easily made in a sentence [or maybe a link] and saved us all that scrolling.

    *I wondered if OB really has much understanding of Christianity if he has to ask Christians if they doubt other gods. Bar the odd person who may severely deviate from mainstream Christianity the rest of us don't believe in Zeus, Athena, Shiva or any other deities you care to post an excessively long list about.

    *Doubting God is a separate issue to the point above. I've already given my take on this - which just so happens to be different from a couple of other Christian posters. Ultimately I believe that long-term doubt is undesirable, but I also think that it can have some positive effects. In my case, doubt spurred me on to investigate the God question further.


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  • #22
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Overblood wrote: »
    No I think the people here need to see just how many different gods and religions they are dismissing over their ONE. Even I was surprised at the size of the list.

    Stop arguing. The whole point is that the size of the list - something you have admitted to being surprise at - was unacceptable. The only reason I havent cropped it is because now so much has been written about it.

    Overblood wrote: »
    Can you explain this distinction please? That your god "God" is creator of everything, and the slavic god of thunder just created thunder? I honestly don't know, I think the answer is staring me in the face.

    I've already explained it. A simple point, but it does allude to how Christians to look upon other gods.
    Me wrote:
    Also, as per your post, you should also be aware of the distinction between God and god when you are talking to a Christian. The former is a proper noun because 'God' is the name of the Christian deity.


  • #23
    kelly1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭kelly1


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Because you guys seem incapable of simply saying "that is a good point", if an atheist makes it.

    If an atheist had started this thread, saying something like "I really don't like the way in Christianity you aren't supposed to doubt things" you would have 50 Christians posters coming on saying that doubt is good, healthy and fully in line with theistic belief.

    But if a Christian says doubt is the work of Satan and an atheist says "That doesn't make sense" you guys starting giving out that we don't understand Christianity :rolleyes:

    I was making a more general comment but anyway...

    Ordinarily doubt is good. People make mistakes, tell lies, forget, get confused etc. A certain amount of skepticism is healthy so we don't get fooled.

    We Christians have faith that God will never let us down based on belief in Jesus and the words He spoke. Now either we accept what Jesus said or we don't. Chrisian have decided that Jesus is trustworthy and that He spoke the truth. Jesus spoke of a God who is loving, merciful and trustworthy and we take His word for it.

    I wouldn't want to worship a God who was untrustworthy or didn't care about us. I'm a way it's a bit of a gamble because we are putting all our eggs in one basket but we believe this faith will ultimately be rewarded bountifully.


  • #24
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Tragic that a thread with such potential has gone into an argument about alternative gods or religions. I'd be full on open to discuss these things in another thread mind.

    God: Purity
    Satan: Lustfulness

    God: Honesty
    Satan: Deceit

    God: Righteousness
    Satan: Sinfulness


  • #25
    Overblood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Tragic that a thread with such potential has gone into an argument about alternative gods or religions. I'd be full on open to discuss these things in another thread mind.

    God: Purity
    Satan: Lustfulness

    Lust can lead to sex, which is really our ultimate goal as living entities... "be fruitful and multiply" anyone? Sex is one of the greatest sensations one can experience.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    God: Righteousness
    Satan: Sinfulness

    Sinfulness hmm... so have you broken any of the ten commandments lately? Have you ever said "ah jaysus!!!" when you stubbed your toe on the leg of a chair?

    And do you think Hitler felt righteous or sinful when he was at work?...


  • #26
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Overblood wrote: »
    Lust can lead to sex, which is really our ultimate goal as living entities... "be fruitful and multiply" anyone? Sex is one of the greatest sensations one can experience.

    You really think that is the ultimate purpose of peoples lives?

    Lust is objectifying someone for how they look for sexual purposes. Love through knowing ones character as well as ones appearance is really much more fulfilling surely?
    Overblood wrote: »
    Sinfulness hmm... so have you broken any of the ten commandments lately? Have you ever said "ah jaysus!!!" when you stubbed your toe on the leg of a chair?

    And do you think Hitler felt righteous or sinful when he was at work?...

    Yes, I have broken some of the Ten Commandments before, but what you do when that happens is ask for God's help to be stronger and to apply the scriptures to your life. Hence God's plan for us, to love Him and to love our neighbour. I personally see that as more important than sexual intimacy anyway.


  • #27
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Lust is objectifying someone for how they look for sexual purposes.
    No, lust a strong physical desire for something, often sexual. Lust for life, lust for my girlfriend, lust for my wife, lust for the hottie in Spar, lust for that last chocolate brownie.

    While I never really got the big objection to "objectifying" someone (I objectify my bank teller, my bus man, my boss and no one bats an eye lid) lust does not imply objectifying someone.

    I would be very worried if a married person didn't lust after their wife or husband. Lust does not replace love, it is not one or the other. Love is a mental desire to be with someone on many levels, from holding hands in the park to being beside them as they die. Lust is physical desire to want to shag them. If you have love but no lust then that more non-romantic love than romantic love.

    As for something being not as fulfilling that is hardly a reason to say it is bad. Eating the last chocolate brownie that I've been eyeing up for the whole conference (long story) is not a fulfilling as curing cancer. But does that mean it is bad?


  • #28
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    In fact, it's about as useful as posting in the Man U thread the names of the 1000's of other teams around the world that the supporters don't follow.

    Well yes, if someone had started a thread in the Man U forum talking about how silly it is of people not to support a football team like Man United.

    It would be perfectly good point, and one that obviously needed to be made, to point out to this Man U supporter all the clubs that he doesn't support, and ask does he think it is silly of him not to support all these teams while claiming it is silly to not support his team.

    Your pretence that it is just a given that Christians know that they actually doubt all the time, that they doubt a whole host of other gods and religions, doesn't hold because if it did I really don't think the OP would have started this thread in the first place.

    If your objection to the post was that it was too long that is fine. It was long, albeit it was long for effect Overblood obviously didn't mean for someone to actually have to read it all unlike some posters who post very long comments.

    But you objection initially was that he didn't get Christianity and this didn't need to be pointed out to Christians, which was a bizarre objection because if it didn't need to be pointed out to Christians this thread wouldn't exist.

    But if you are happy to get back to the point at hand Doubt being the work of Satan (a position you disagree with by the away, along with Overblood and myself) then I am happy to as well.


  • #29
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    kelly1 wrote: »
    We Christians have faith that God will never let us down based on belief in Jesus and the words He spoke. Now either we accept what Jesus said or we don't. Christian have decided that Jesus is trustworthy and that He spoke the truth. Jesus spoke of a God who is loving, merciful and trustworthy and we take His word for it.

    Yes but simply because you have made up your mind, now in this moment, you shouldn't abandon doubt.

    I don't really know how your personal faith works, but to me it should be a constant case of doubting what you believe because what you are being asked to believe is quite extraordinary and rather important. It must demonstrate itself to be true. And then demonstrate itself again. And then again.

    That is not to say that you abandon your religion, just that you should be constantly looking for the decisions you made to be reaffirmed, for the religion to demonstrate to you that you didn't make the wrong decision in picking it.

    You should be asking all the tough questions, how do you know what you believe is real, how do you know what you feel is real. Can I be wrong? How do I know I am not wrong? If I was wrong would I be able to tell? How can I get around that to test what I believe?

    There should be nothing to fear from doubt. If it is truly possible to know your religion is the truth it should constantly over come your doubt, your probing, your testing.

    If it can only do this once or twice and then not again then there is something wrong. If you come to conclude that you could be wrong and you can't tell tell how you can demonstrate you aren't, then there is something wrong. If


  • #30
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Wicknight wrote: »
    But you objection initially was that he didn't get Christianity and this didn't need to be pointed out to Christians, which was a bizarre objection because if it didn't need to be pointed out to Christians this thread wouldn't exist.

    Wicknight, I've already admitted that my first post was inadequate in it's explanation. I cant rip a hole in time and go back to tell myself to add a better explanation. However, my subsequent posts make it perfectly clear why I objected to his post. But you ignore this and continue to hammer away. As for my 'bizarre objection', see below.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Your pretence that it is just a given that Christians know that they actually doubt all the time, that they doubt a whole host of other gods and religions, doesn't hold because if it did I really don't think the OP would have started this thread in the first place.

    Pretence? What are you talking about? If some Christians claim that they have never doubted God, fair play to them. This just so happens not to have been the case for me or the other Christians I know. As for doubting other gods - we can't doubt them doubt if we don't believe in them in the first place. So the word doubt - which is defined as 'undecided or uncertain' - is entirely inappropriate and draws this non-issue out.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Well yes, if someone had started a thread in the Man U forum talking about how silly it is of people not to support a football team like Man United.

    It would be perfectly good point, and one that obviously needed to be made, to point out to this Man U supporter all the clubs that he doesn't support, and ask does he think it is silly of him not to support all these teams while claiming it is silly to not support his team.

    Please feel free to try such a thing. But I'm not sure you will like the results.


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  • #31
    TravelJunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭TravelJunkie


    Seeing as I'm the OP and I keep getting referred to by wicknight, let me explain a little about why I posted this. Firstly, it is directed to christians, and specifically referring to their walk with God.

    I wasn't referring coming to believe in God in the first place, although, in saying that, I do think Satan would probably make a point of trying to discredit God at any opportunity, to believers or non.

    That aside, someone made a point in this thread that doubting God (as a christian) would be helpful to steer us in the direction to learn more about him?
    I don't know about that, I think it is a destructive force (for a christian) doubt and faith are opposites. For example, say you have faith in something -it could be that God will look after you no matter what (based on scriptures that he will supply all our needs, that we won't go hungry, etc). If you start to doubt this, then yes, you have to start again, look at all the scriptures, pray, and rebuild this faith. It is not very constructive, this doubt shouldn't of come in. It's like someone turning a square into a circle, thus discovering the wheel, then going back and instead of building a wheel, keep building squares just in case they were wrong and the wheel doesn't work.


  • #32
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    It is not very constructive, this doubt shouldn't of come in. It's like someone turning a square into a circle, thus discovering the wheel, then going back and instead of building a wheel, keep building squares just in case they were wrong and the wheel doesn't work.

    Not really. It is like building the wheel and trying it out on your front yard but instead of stopping there and saying the wheel is perfect and brilliant, you then try it out on a hill, then on a rocky slope, then on ice, then on water, then in the snow, then ... etc etc

    Every time the wheel passes one of your tests you are more confident that the wheel is a good design.

    Obviously at some point a Christian had to go from not believing to believing. At some point Christianity passes what ever test you guys have for accepting a religion. This is like running the wheel on your front yard.

    I see no reason to stop there, to assume that yes you are 100% correct, your judgement is perfect, God is exactly how you think he is, Christianity is totally real, now what is for tea.

    Christianity passed one test, so why not pass it again. If it is the true religion surely it should pass that test. And the next one. And the next one.

    If it doesn't then you need to look at why it didn't, and how that effects your judgement that it is the true religion.


  • #33
    TravelJunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭TravelJunkie


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Not really. It is like building the wheel and trying it out on your front yard but instead of stopping there and saying the wheel is perfect and brilliant, you then try it out on a hill, then on a rocky slope, then on ice, then on water, then in the snow, then ... etc etc

    Every time the wheel passes one of your tests you are more confident that the wheel is a good design.
    Obviously at some point a Christian had to go from not believing to believing. At some point Christianity passes what ever test you guys have for accepting a religion. This is like running the wheel on your front yard.

    I see no reason to stop there, to assume that yes you are 100% correct, your judgement is perfect, God is exactly how you think he is, Christianity is totally real, now what is for tea.

    Christianity passed one test, so why not pass it again. If it is the true religion surely it should pass that test. And the next one. And the next one.

    If it doesn't then you need to look at why it didn't, and how that effects your judgement that it is the true religion.

    Ok, if faith is the wheel then I completely agree with the first part of your statement. Faith is tested and gets stronger, sometimes weaker, which is why it is important to rely on God.

    But I think you're implying that christianity has to pass tests all the time.

    You probably have a list, and good luck with that, but

    someone who has already become a christian has accepted only the one thing that is necessary, to believe that JC died for our sins, and through belief in him and his righteousness we are saved.

    There are no ifs in the above.

    As practising christians we can't try and re-try christianity. it would be like crucifying christ again and again - see what I mean?

    We're still talking about 2 different things.

    thank you for the great analogy with the wheel.


  • #34
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    I don't know about that, I think it is a destructive force (for a christian) doubt and faith are opposites... It is not very constructive, this doubt shouldn't of come in...
    But how can you decide to simply not doubt something? How can you control, to that extent, the possibility that an unconscious thought might pop into your mind?

    I don't think you can simply decide not to doubt. You can make a decision on how to deal with the doubt, but I don't think you can simply say you never have any, or that you should not.

    MrP


  • #35
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    TravelJunkie wrote:
    Gods plan for your life

    Do they? Well I'm glad someone does...:P


  • #36
    BrianCalgary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    First you say this:
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Because you guys seem incapable of simply saying "that is a good point", if an atheist makes it

    Then this:
    Wicknight wrote: »
    No, lust a strong physical desire for something, often sexual. Lust for life, lust for my girlfriend, lust for my wife, lust for the hottie in Spar, lust for that last chocolate brownie.

    Which is always your first reaction, why are you such a hypocrite?

    I took time off from the boards because of thsi thread and the direction it took from atheists.

    Ban me now I really don't mind, but wicknight, you are the most two faced hypocritiacal nob I have ever known.

    And for this reason, and by the antics of other atheists, I'm outta here.


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  • #37
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    First you say this:


    Then this:



    Which is always your first reaction, why are you such a hypocrite?

    I took time off from the boards because of thsi thread and the direction it took from atheists.

    Ban me now I really don't mind, but wicknight, you are the most two faced hypocritiacal nob I have ever known.

    And for this reason, and by the antics of other atheists, I'm outta here.

    Holiday time!


  • #38
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    I took time off from the boards because of thsi thread and the direction it took from atheists.

    Ban me now I really don't mind, but wicknight, you are the most two faced hypocritiacal nob I have ever known.

    And for this reason, and by the antics of other atheists, I'm outta here.

    I have to say, I do think that there are quite a few that take advantage of the good nature and reluctance to ban of the mods.
    There is a distinct lack of respect. Thats you and Sorella now that have left this 'Christian' forum because of this perception. Maybe we need to touch base with the Mods, and see if we can get this place a bit more Christian friendly?


  • #39
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    JimiTime wrote: »
    There is a distinct lack of respect.
    From the other side of the fence, I'd suggest that it looks like there are people out there who take offense where none is intended, and who seem to have some difficulty in tolerating the suggestion that their views may not be as accurate as they sincerely believe them to be.


  • #40
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    robindch wrote: »
    From the other side of the fence, I'd suggest that it looks like there are people out there who take offense where none is intended,

    I would not say its offence thats the issue in alot of cases.
    and who seem to have some difficulty in tolerating the suggestion that their views may not be as accurate as they sincerely believe them to be.

    Again, its not about challenging beliefs, but rather its about the manner and timing of 'challenges'.

    Anyway, I wont drag the thread further OT.


  • #41
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Mod Note


    OK guys, lets leave this particular issue here.

    People should be aware that this forum is used not only to discuss matters about Christianity but also to make direct challenges to the Christian faith. In this regard, I would hazard a guess that there are but a few other fora on Boards that have quite the same nature. Yes, sometimes these challenges go beyond reasonable debate and into something less enlightening and far more aggressive, and at this point PDN and myself step in.

    However, if people have problems with what they see as the corrosive attitude of certain posters then please send a PM to PDN and myself detailing your perceived grievances. I am firmly of the opinion that such matters should be handled in private. It leads to fairer and unhindered perspectives.


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  • #42
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    First you say this:


    Then this:



    Which is always your first reaction, why are you such a hypocrite?

    I took time off from the boards because of thsi thread and the direction it took from atheists.

    Ban me now I really don't mind, but wicknight, you are the most two faced hypocritiacal nob I have ever known.

    And for this reason, and by the antics of other atheists, I'm outta here.

    I'm some what puzzled why this post of all posts would be the one that makes you throw your toys out of the pram, but perhaps some clarification is in order. I would imagine most people would agree with this post if they thought about it for a minute rather that simply dismissing it because I said it.

    The suggest made as that "lust" is the objectifying or demeaning of someone for sexual purposes

    That is not what lust means. Lust is simply strong desire, most often used in the context of sexual attraction, but not always

    Yes people can objectify and demean people when they lust after them. I'm not saying that doesn't happen. And obsession for something is never really a good an idea. Viewing someone as simply a means to gratification with out any regard to their feelings is not a good thing either. I'm not saying this doesn't happen.

    But one cannot really say lust is that.

    My understanding is that the Bible says that lust is bad not for the reasons people are suggesting here, but because earthly desire in general is never satisfied and the only true satisfaction can come from desire for God.

    But lust can still be as good as something can be within that framework, as good as an Earthy desire can be. Lust after your sexual partner, such as your wife, is not bad nor does it mean you are objectifying them.


  • #43
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    Ok, if faith is the wheel then I completely agree with the first part of your statement. Faith is tested and gets stronger, sometimes weaker, which is why it is important to rely on God.

    But I think you're implying that christianity has to pass tests all the time.

    I'm not saying a Christian has to do anything, simply that it is surely a good thing if they do test this all the time.

    Thing of it this way, if Christianity is true and can be demonstrated to be true, why would you not test it all the time. Every time you test it you are even more confident it is true. That is similar to how science works. If you test something once you may declare a result but it is not a particular well supported results. There are other explanations to explain why the result just happened once aside from it being because your model is accurate. If you test it 100 times then you can be pretty confident that yes you were in fact correct.

    Not doing this would be some what an acknowledgement that yes it might actually start failing these tests so we better stop now, we don't want to find out we are actually wrong in our initial judgement.
    TravelJunkie wrote: »
    someone who has already become a christian has accepted only the one thing that is necessary, to believe that JC died for our sins, and through belief in him and his righteousness we are saved.
    Yes but I doubt they just accepted that with no reason?

    Surely the more reasons you have to accept that the strong the position?


  • #44
    Malicahooza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭Malicahooza


    Wicknight wrote: »
    My understanding is that the Bible says that lust is bad not for the reasons people are suggesting here, but because earthly desire in general is never satisfied and the only true satisfaction can come from desire for God.

    But lust can still be as good as something can be within that framework, as good as an Earthy desire can be. Lust after your sexual partner, such as your wife, is not bad nor does it mean you are objectifying them.

    It is the feeling of the word lust rather that the meaning. Lust in your definition means to desire with great ambition but it is not just that the desire cannot be fulfilled by anyone but god that turns Christians away from it. Lust is desire for ones self, and there in lies the problem, lust is selfish and that is why Christians look upon it as a bad thing, not just because of how you treat the recipient.

    Just clarifying.


  • #45
    Malicahooza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭Malicahooza


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Yes but I doubt they just accepted that[christ] with no reason?

    Surely the more reasons you have to accept that[christ] the strong the position?

    I agree with you, they didn't just accept christ for no reason, there is a very good reason. Unfortunately it does not lie in the scientific method and there is no formula for it, in fact there is no physical proof that God is even out there, but wicknight to be a christian one cannot look at science to have proof, one must instead have faith because God doesn't (at least not often) become human and talk to ones self we have to rely on what God has done to our lives and our souls. I am sorry I can't proove that God is here with me, I really wish that I could, but I can't. I have great respect for you wicknight and I want to tell you that no matter how much testing you do of God you will not ind him unless you look spiritualy. sorry.


  • #46
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Malicahooza wrote: »
    It is the feeling of the word lust rather that the meaning. Lust in your definition means to desire with great ambition but it is not just that the desire cannot be fulfilled by anyone but god that turns Christians away from it. Lust is desire for ones self, and there in lies the problem, lust is selfish and that is why Christians look upon it as a bad thing, not just because of how you treat the recipient.

    Not really following?

    If you mean selfish simply as desiring something for oneself, self interest, irrespective of how that self interest effects others, aren't most things we do selfish? I mean isn't eating lunch selfish?

    The negative connotations of the term "selfish" come when you put yourself first at the expense of others, when you eat a big lunch while your girlfriend has a tic-tac because you didn't want to give her some of your own lunch.

    Surely it is possible to lust after someone while still considering their feelings and giving as much as you get.

    Not to blow my own horn or anything, but it has been commented by girlfriends of mine that I am a "generous" lover. Who knows if that means I any good in bed or not :pac: but what I know is that I enjoy pleasing my partner in bed, I enjoy sex more if I know the other person is really enjoying it too. And they seem to enjoy the attention that comes from that.

    All of that is still pretty much lust. But just because it is lust that doesn't imply that it will be selfish or that the person is unconcerned with how the desire effects the other person.

    Now there is certain a Christian argument to be made for the position that lust outside of marriage is selfish because it puts your desires ahead of God's plan for you, his plan for how sex should be conducted.

    While being an atheist I obviously don't believe that, but I can see the logic behind it from a Christian perspective. Which is why I am careful to talk about lust between a married couple when discussing Christian belief.

    But I'm not following the argument that lust inside a marriage must be negatively selfish.


  • #47
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    The word 'lust', in English, is a loaded term that carries more connotations than just a strong desire.
    dictionary.com wrote:
    –noun
    1. intense sexual desire or appetite.
    2. uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.
    3. a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually fol. by for): a lust for power.
    4. ardent enthusiasm; zest; relish: an enviable lust for life.
    5. Obsolete.
    a. pleasure or delight.
    b. desire; inclination; wish.
    –verb (used without object)
    6. to have intense sexual desire.
    7. to have a yearning or desire; have a strong or excessive craving (often fol. by for or after).

    Wicknight, I think you know very well that you are using a loaded term.


  • #48
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    Wicknight, I think you know very well that you are using a loaded term.

    I'm not following?

    Look at the range of definitions you quoted. You have bolded 3 out of 7 (not even all of the 3) and you are telling me that "lust" has one specific definition?

    My point was that the term "lust" does not simply mean a selfish desire to objectify someone for self gratification at the expense of the other person.

    A person can do that, I'm not debating that. A person can lust after someone that they disregard their feelings to get satisfaction for that lust. Say a guy (not to be sexist or anything, I'm sure girls to this too) meets a hot girl in a night club and really wants to have sex with her. He lusts after her and so to get sex he lies to her and makes her believe that he is interested in a relationship when he really isn't. He shags her and sneaks out the next morning never to call her again, leaving her feeling rotten. That was certainly lust and it was certainly selfish and mean.

    But the universal use of the term lust as meaning that is inaccurate, because it implies that when I say I lust after my partner I'm doing something as wrong or bad as what that guy just did.

    Say I'm out for dinner with my partner and she is looking really hot tonight. All through dinner I can't stop thinking about how hot she looks, it is really turning me on. Hot little skirt, new hair cut etc. I love her and all, but it is not romantic love that is making me want to rip her clothes of right there in the restaurant. It is lust, sexual lust, pure and simply. I'm lusting after her, lusting after her big time. So after dinner we head back to her place and spend a night making passionate, lusty, love to each other, where I spend the majority of my time making sure she is kept in heights of sexual bliss while also getting my own socks rocked.

    In both situations lust is involved, but is anyone arguing that what happened in the second instance is bad or wrong or immoral or to be avoided (leaving aside the issue of sex before marriage, if it helps imagine the situation except we are married)

    The fact that there are 7 quite different and wide ranging definition of "lust" that you just quoted would seem to support my case.

    So again, I'm not really following what point you think you are making, or what point you think I'm making.


  • #49
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I'm not following?

    Look at the range of definitions you quoted. You have bolded 3 out of 7 (not even all of the 3) and you are telling me that "lust" has one specific definition?

    My point was that the term "lust" does not simply mean a selfish desire to objectify someone for self gratification at the expense of the other person.

    A person can do that, I'm not debating that. A person can lust after someone that they disregard their feelings to get satisfaction for that lust. Say a guy (not to be sexist or anything, I'm sure girls to this too) meets a hot girl in a night club and really wants to have sex with her. He lusts after her and so to get sex he lies to her and makes her believe that he is interested in a relationship when he really isn't. He shags her and sneaks out the next morning never to call her again, leaving her feeling rotten. That was certainly lust and it was certainly selfish and mean.

    But the universal use of the term lust as meaning that is inaccurate, because it implies that when I say I lust after my partner I'm doing something as wrong or bad as what that guy just did.

    Say I'm out for dinner with my partner and she is looking really hot tonight. All through dinner I can't stop thinking about how hot she looks, it is really turning me on. Hot little skirt, new hair cut etc. I love her and all, but it is not romantic love that is making me want to rip her clothes of right there in the restaurant. It is lust, sexual lust, pure and simply. I'm lusting after her, lusting after her big time. So after dinner we head back to her place and spend a night making passionate, lusty, love to each other, where I spend the majority of my time making sure she is kept in heights of sexual bliss while also getting my own socks rocked.

    In both situations lust is involved, but is anyone arguing that what happened in the second instance is bad or wrong or immoral or to be avoided (leaving aside the issue of sex before marriage, if it helps imagine the situation except we are married)

    The fact that there are 7 quite different and wide ranging definition of "lust" that you just quoted would seem to support my case.

    So again, I'm not really following what point you think you are making, or what point you think I'm making.

    You're not following?

    Maybe you can follow this. You use a word that, for most Christians, carries negative connotations. Then you try to argue semantics instead of simply substituting another word.

    I am posting this in my capacity as a moderator, not as a poster (I don't think I've participated in any of the discussion in this thread). If you want to discuss any of the Christian issues raised in this thread then do so. If you just want to tick people off by arguing about the word 'lust' then take it to another forum.

    There, I hope that is stated plainly enough for you to follow.


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    Zombrex
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    PDN wrote: »
    Maybe you can follow this. You use a word that, for most Christians, carries negative connotations. Then you try to argue semantics instead of simply substituting another word.
    What? :confused:

    Why would I substitute another word when the word I'm using is perfectly fine?

    I know for some Christians that word carries negative connotations, I'm explaining that the negative connotations do not go hand in hand with the meaning of the word. And I've explained why.

    Are you seriously arguing that you get to decide exclusively what words mean?
    PDN wrote: »
    If you want to discuss any of the Christian issues raised in this thread then do so.

    I was thank you very much, at least before you came along. You are the one quoting dictionary passages to me :rolleyes:


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    PDN
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    What? :confused:

    Why would I substitute another word when the word I'm using is perfectly fine?

    I know for some Christians that word carries negative connotations, I'm explaining that the negative connotations do not go hand in hand with the meaning of the word. And I've explained why.

    Are you seriously arguing that you get to decide exclusively what words mean?

    No, I was not arguing anything. I was giving directions as a moderator as to how you can actually discuss stuff with people without winding them up unnecessarily.

    However, since you prefer to just argue about that moderating decision you might as well take a week's holiday.

    I might as well lock this thread while I'm at it since any point the OP was trying to make was long ago lost in the rising tide of nonsense from non-Christian posters trying to pick arguments.


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