Free energy suppression

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

Joe Cell Truck Builder Threatened


http://pesn.com/2006/04/13/9600257_Bill_Williams_threatened/

So any source other than one who's only propose is the promotion of free energy devices? Or any supporting evidence other than correspondence between two random people on the internet?
Or a source that doesn't refer to "aetheric energy" seriously?

bonkey

King Mob wrote: »

But none of these devices offer a plausible method for producing the energy claimed. And the basis for such claims are usually based on a poor understanding of the physics involved.

Thats the basis on which they should be challenged...not the notion that they somehow cannot be given credence because of the implications to physics if they were correct.

So far the idea that the second law of thermodynamics holds for all closed systems has been supported in every case.

A motor, however, is not a closed system. If one of these "free energy" ideas actually worked (lets take "zero point energy" as an example) then there is an existing energy as part of the overall cosed system of the universe which is being tapped.

Not only that, but the idea of "supported in every case" is (mostly) irrelevant. Thats the basic requirement to be a scientific theory. Theories are typically refined/discarded when a case is identified where the observation fails to match the prediction. That none has been found yet has to do with the degree of faith we can have in our theory, rather than the notion that there is no non-matching observation to be found.

And coupled with the poor grasp of physics displayed by the people making the claims means the is no reason to believe that the law has exceptions.

The scientific approach is to always allow that there may be exceptions, but that such exceptions need to be found. If someone is claiming to have found one, then it doesn't matter one whit, frankly, whether their grasp of physics is good, bad or indifferent. What matters is whether or not they can provide details on how they found their exception so that it can be independantly verified.

Compare the furore over cold fusion to the claims by Steorn. The guys in the 80s who thought they had found cold fusion...they provided details of their experiment so that other labs could (try and) reproduce the effect, and so that everyone interested could try and figure out what was going on. Steorn, on the other hand, refuse to provide open details (on what are, frankly, ridiculous grounds) and then want a closed review of people who are supposed to say whether or not it works, but without allowing these reviewers themselves to provide any details.

Extraordinary claims --> Extraordinary evidence.

The device that MC is describing seems to be rather useless.

More importantly...there is no extraordinary evidence.

Gordon

Is this the thing that Mythbusters tried to get working?

Mahatma coat

Right I've talked to the boyos in the steelyard up the road from me, they should have the pipes by the end of next week, I've offered evidence, there are amultitude of youtube videos showing these things in action my offer of independent verification have been sneered at, so

I'll build me own and publish the results here, you can deny that it works all it wants.

bonkey

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Right I've talked to the boyos in the steelyard up the road from me, they should have the pipes by the end of next week, I've offered evidence, there are amultitude of youtube videos showing these things in action my offer of independent verification have been sneered at, so

youtube videos claiming to show something in action are no more reliable as evidence than those myriad of spam mails many of us get telling us that <some product> really works to increase your sex-life or whatever.

While I'm the first to criticise the off-hand dismissal of claims - as I've done in recent posts - I'd be remiss if I didn't apply the same critique both ways. If people supporting a claim want to be taken seriously, then the first thing they need to do is learn what it requires to be taken seriously. The second thing they need to do is to do wat it takes, to be taken seriously.

To date, that's simply not done. This entire thread is based on a claim of suppression of such systems, but the reality is that there is no suppression. The claims are made. The inforamtion is out there. Its just not being taken seriously, because those making the claims aren't interested in doing what it takes.

Imagine a restaurant where there's a rule which says "men must wear shirt and tie". You turn up in a t-shirt, have the rule explained to you, and are turned away. Every day for the followinng week, you continue to turn up in a t-shirt, and are continually turned away. You even turn up in a t-shirt with a print of shirt-buttons, a collar, and a tie on it. No dice.

For the first few days, the rules are clarified to you each time. Its explained that there are no exceptions, that its not discrimination and that if you turned up in a shirt-and-tie you absolutely would be allowed entry. After a few days, they figure that you know the rules, and just say "sorry sir, but you still can't come in dressed like that".

Now, imagine that you claimed that your right to eat there was being suppressed, because you refuse to accept the rules which are a pre-requisite to entry....do you really think you'd be taken seriously? Do you think that in such a situation you should be taken seriously?

Mahatma coat

right so, how do I get taken seriously, obviously I cant post a youtube of my mates device powerin his car without any other fuel source as that wont be taken seriously.

I have a workin model of this technology at my disposal and yet the general consensus on this board is that it cant and dosent work, even tho it does, the only realistic option I could think of was to offer the skeptics the opportunity to come along and view the device themselves, or to send their own representative to verify/debunk the device.

you wouldnt consider that supression, ridicule the poster till they back down and stop postin their 'crazy ideas' and claim that they are crazy & lying

so whats a man to do?

javaboy

Mahatma coat wrote: »

you wouldnt consider that supression, ridicule the poster till they back down and stop postin their 'crazy ideas' and claim that they are crazy & lying

No that's not suppression. Apart from the CT mods, nobody here (well except Gordon. Hi Gordon!) has the power to suppress you. Ridicule or dismissal is different. As you can see you can still post this stuff to your heart's content so you're not suppressed. Not even slightly.

bonkey

bonkey wrote: »

Compare the furore over cold fusion to the claims by Steorn. The guys in the 80s who thought they had found cold fusion...they provided details of their experiment so that other labs could (try and) reproduce the effect, and so that everyone interested could try and figure out what was going on. Steorn, on the other hand, refuse to provide open details (on what are, frankly, ridiculous grounds) and then want a closed review of people who are supposed to say whether or not it works, but without allowing these reviewers themselves to provide any details.

This is the crux of the issue though - MC is saying that his mates car is a free energy device, but the only evidence he is saying is that it runs from a battery and sometimes uses petrol. He then gets all stroppy about not being listened to.

There has been no evidence put forward at all in thread and it should be a simple matter to hook this battery up to some device which requires energy and measure the charge of the battery. If the charge doesn't decrease (apart from getting the device going) while the device is running merrily away, then MC and his mate will be very rich people.

Flamed Diving

Are there any rich investors out there, who are not part of this secret cabal?

Surely there is one who would be interested in this.

Mahatma coat

it dosent use a battery, the engine has an ALTERNATOR this keeps the cell charged

SOME Petrol is used under EXTREME loads, I have been honest about the device

unladen the vehicle runs EXCLUSIVLEY off the Joe Cell.

there are two ways to set up one of these devices

exclusivley to power the vehicle
or
as a dual fuel system

my mate uses a dual fuel system

So here is what you do:

1) Build another joe cell.
2) Plug into a motor with no alternate fuel
3) Turn on.

See what happens, if it works and doesn't run out, you will either have the most efficient engine ever made or else a free energy device.

If it does work, start contacting people and let your engine be subject to a full range of tests.

Then sit back and watch the money come in.

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

it dosent use a battery, the engine has an ALTERNATOR this keeps the cell charged

SOME Petrol is used under EXTREME loads, I have been honest about the device

unladen the vehicle runs EXCLUSIVLEY off the Joe Cell.

there are two ways to set up one of these devices

exclusivley to power the vehicle
or
as a dual fuel system

my mate uses a dual fuel system

You seem to have no idea how the joe cell actually works.
The cell isn't charged by the alternator. The alternator is powering the electrolysis. The load put on the alternator to power the cell negates the additional energy supplied by burning the hydrogen.

Yes you probably can run an engine solely using the cell, but it'd be horribly inefficient and craps out as soon as the battery doesn't have enough charge to power the electrolysis. There is a reason people don't use this kind of device.

bonkey

bonkey wrote: »

Thats the basis on which they should be challenged...not the notion that they somehow cannot be given credence because of the implications to physics if they were correct.

It's not so much that "they must be wrong because physics is wrong if they're right". It's more like "the current understanding of physics means something like this is impossible therefore it's more unlikely that it works." However if they where to supply hard verifiable evidence then there might be something.

bonkey wrote: »

A motor, however, is not a closed system. If one of these "free energy" ideas actually worked (lets take "zero point energy" as an example) then there is an existing energy as part of the overall cosed system of the universe which is being tapped.

My definition of a closed system must be wrong. You're right in that a zero point energy device would not be against the laws of thermodynamics, but no claimed free energy device offers any plausible method (or evidence) for harnessing zero point energy.

bonkey wrote: »

Not only that, but the idea of "supported in every case" is (mostly) irrelevant. Thats the basic requirement to be a scientific theory. Theories are typically refined/discarded when a case is identified where the observation fails to match the prediction. That none has been found yet has to do with the degree of faith we can have in our theory, rather than the notion that there is no non-matching observation to be found.

True enough. But the laws of thermodynamics have been tested and verified very well indeed. There is no indication that there is any gaps in the theories. And certainly no reason to believe a guy in his garage have such found a gap without good evidence to back him up. The possibility of it been wrong does not imply it will be.

bonkey wrote: »

The scientific approach is to always allow that there may be exceptions, but that such exceptions need to be found. If someone is claiming to have found one, then it doesn't matter one whit, frankly, whether their grasp of physics is good, bad or indifferent. What matters is whether or not they can provide details on how they found their exception so that it can be independantly verified.

You're the person's knowledge of physics does not really effect the claim on it's own merits. It does however offer a more likely explanation for the claim.

bonkey wrote: »

More importantly...there is no extraordinary evidence.

I hear that.

marabhfuil

OHH you beautiful foolish children you... There already exists plenty upon plenty of energy in our world to sustain all life on the planet... we are just demanding too much of it.

Have you noticed that there're Israeli spuds being sold in Ireland, in mostly all of the supermarkets in the country. (some suppliers though have refused to trade with Israel.) Imagine the waste of energy involved in shipping by freight those spuds, not to mention the refrigeration required to keep them from spoiling, and to get them past the starving Palestinians to Irish soil...

6th

marabhfuil wrote: »

OHH you beautiful foolish children you

Dont be so patronizing, starting a thread like that pretty much guarantees people will hold it against you for the rest of your post/s. Please read the Charter before posting again in this forum.

marabhfuil wrote: »

... There already exists plenty upon plenty of energy in our world to sustain all life on the planet... we are just demanding too much of it.

Have you noticed that there're Israeli spuds being sold in Ireland, in mostly all of the supermarkets in the country. (some suppliers though have refused to trade with Israel.) Imagine the waste of energy involved in shipping by freight those spuds, not to mention the refrigeration required to keep them from spoiling, and to get them past the starving Palestinians to Irish soil...

Why only specify Israel? We import plenty of foods and produce from other countries that we really dont need to. The fact is we make more from exporting our own goods than we do from keeping them here, as I'm sure others do too.

K-9

marabhfuil wrote: »

OHH you beautiful foolish children you... There already exists plenty upon plenty of energy in our world to sustain all life on the planet... we are just demanding too much of it.

Have you noticed that there're Israeli spuds being sold in Ireland, in mostly all of the supermarkets in the country. (some suppliers though have refused to trade with Israel.) Imagine the waste of energy involved in shipping by freight those spuds, not to mention the refrigeration required to keep them from spoiling, and to get them past the starving Palestinians to Irish soil...

That's great publicity. Great stuff.

I'm sure the same ecological arguments apply to Cyprus etc.?

We need to buy Irish, regardless of country of origin.

Mahatma coat

tis Funny, I was plannin on organisin a Boycot Israeli goods campaign for my local supermarkets here in Brisbane during the most recent Attacks on Gaza, then it struck me, how would I identify Israeli goods quickly and easily to the general Public.

Aha sez I ta meself I'll just draw an Israeli flag on them.

havin considered the ramifications of this for a bit I decided that I didnt need the ADL comin round my house evokin images of Kristalnacht.

6th

Ok folks we're going off topic. Everyone back on the bus!

espinolman

MIB takes inventor's motor and papers :

http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

MIB takes inventor's motor and papers :

http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/

And nary a scrap of evidence to support it.

That story seems incredibly suspect.

Mahatma coat

of course not, they took all the evidence :rolleyes:

tony 2 tone

Mahatma coat wrote: »

of course not, they took all the evidence :rolleyes:

And then gave it back to him.

Mahatma coat

ah but, what I tok from the website and youtubery is that they took MYLOW, hence allk otther evidence is irelevant

bonkey

Going solely from the article directly linked to...

Mylow claims his stuff was taken, but later returned.
He claims that he called the police, but the police apparently claim to have no record of this.

This would appear to suggest two possibilities, each of which is linked directly to the actual device:

1) Mylow's motor is the real thing. The events happened as he told them.
2) Mylow's motor is a hoax. He fabricated this story to add to the overall story, for some reason.

In both cases, there will be no police record(s), and no missing equipment. The police will deny ever visiting him.

bonkey

So there seems to be some stuff around with people claiming they've found a "cheat" in the videos...that there's some thin wires that can be seen in the high-res version of the vids.

There's also some counter-speculation that Mylow may heve been forced to fake these "cheats", by the same MIB mentioned in earlier posts.

Belfast

http://www.overunity.com/

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Newman_(inventor)

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
http://www.josephnewman.com/

Tesla The Race to Zero Point Free Energy ( Documentary ZPE )
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&ei=2ZEYSqv2DoSv-Aa5nLSJCA&q=free+energy

Stan Meyer - It Runs On Water ( Full ) Hydrogen Oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=871102105173074920&ei=-pMYSripHIWE-QaI7dWRCA&q=Stan+Meyer+-+It+Runs+On+Water

Salt Water into Fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo

Stan Deyo - Anti-Gravity, Free Energy and the Technology of the New World Order -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695&ei=_5QYSpiPBIWy-Aag6LjDCA&q=free+energy

Eric Laithwaite - Heretic - Gyroscope - Gyroscopic Motion -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6429646133340471888&ei=wZUYSo7KK4aF-Qbq6_WfBw&q=eric+laitwaite

Gyro thruster - part 1
Gyroscopic thruster. Angular acceleration is turned into linear acceleration. This effect has been demonstrated many times in history. In this affect found by inventor Alex Jones and then thoroughly studied and explained by Eric Laithwaite, the inventor of Maglev.
See the United States Patent 5860317.
After Laithwaite, inventor Robert Cook invented the Cook Inertial Propulsion Engine (Patent #4,238,968) that uses offset weights on spinning rotors to generate a net inertial directional thrust capable of generating tremendous amounts of directional thrust.
So far, no real inertial thruster has been invented that would work in free space where the device is not attached to anything.
This one is made by Mike Marsden and it is called
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z65y6y05uvc

espinolman

This is one of the most interesting videos on utube i have seen in a long time , well worth watching :

Free energy cover-up part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGmOIKs0agw

VinnyTGM

I read somewhere that the power's that be are preventing the full potential of solar/ hydrogen etc powered car's to go ahead due to the amount of revenue they receive through new part's, servicing etc.

Plus the motor part's industry is pretty big, the economy couldn't deal with so many unemployed.

uprising

I have had an idea for quite a while about building a free energy device, it's actually so simple a concept I'd imagine it has been tried to be patented lots of times and each time shot down in it's tracks.
This free energy device on a slightly bigger scale could provide electricity to an entire home, also this device would be self powered, not need fuel, run silently, and no pollution.
I mentioned this in a previous post about living off the grid post #28
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055641649&page=2

I havent seen this thread until now, and I believe free energy devices and concepts have been suppressed since electricity was discovered, Jp Morgan pulled the plug on Nikola Tesla when he realised he couldn't meter his concept.

espinolman

uprising wrote: »

I havent seen this thread until now, and I believe free energy devices and concepts have been suppressed since electricity was discovered, Jp Morgan pulled the plug on Nikola Tesla when he realised he couldn't meter his concept.

Seems to me that technologies have been suppressed since the nineteenth century , we never had to burn any oil !
Do you know the governments have went along with this , they are in on it .

However thousands of people all over the world are working quietly on over-unity technology , there is lots of material on the internet on this .

uprising

Ok here's a pollution free, self powered, no noise, free electricity device.
The parts needed, 1 12v alternator, 1 12v Battery(buffer), 1 Inverter, now connect the alternator to the battery, then connect the battery to the inverter, now if we can find something to spin the alternator at sufficient speed we can get 230v/5000w of electricity.
The next step is to make a motor to spin the alternator, traditionally petrol or diesel engines are used to do this, which cause pollution, use fuel and are noisey.
My motor is made from these magnets, an inner spinning core (pivot joint) and an outer fixed core with the magnets fixed at 45 degree's or similar to each other on the inner and outer core, obviously the outer core will contain more magnets than the inner core, whatever works best and gives best performance. The magnets are set with positive of the inner core facing positive of the outer core in a circular configeration, which will spin the inner core with enough energy to spin the alternator and produce 230v/5000w of electricity from the inverter.
This is only the basic structure, and the opposing magnetic force from these very strong magnets could spin more than 1 alternator, anyway there's the basic's, now get designing and send your appliction's here http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm.
I think the fee is $200 or there abouts.

thecommander

uprising wrote: »

Ok here's a pollution free, self powered, no noise, free electricity device.
The parts needed, 1 12v alternator, 1 12v Battery(buffer), 1 Inverter, now connect the alternator to the battery, then connect the battery to the inverter, now if we can find something to spin the alternator at sufficient speed we can get 230v/5000w of electricity.
The next step is to make a motor to spin the alternator, traditionally petrol or diesel engines are used to do this, which cause pollution, use fuel and are noisey.
My motor is made from these magnets, an inner spinning core (pivot joint) and an outer fixed core with the magnets fixed at 45 degree's or similar to each other on the inner and outer core, obviously the outer core will contain more magnets than the inner core, whatever works best and gives best performance. The magnets are set with positive of the inner core facing positive of the outer core in a circular configeration, which will spin the inner core with enough energy to spin the alternator and produce 230v/5000w of electricity from the inverter.
This is only the basic structure, and the opposing magnetic force from these very strong magnets could spin more than 1 alternator, anyway there's the basic's, now get designing and send your appliction's here http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm.
I think the fee is $200 or there abouts.

Without me building it, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll have to put more energy into it than you can get out of it.

If its that easy, then why are there thousands of independent people powering their houses/businesses etc off this.

uprising

thecommander wrote: »

Without me building it, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll have to put more energy into it than you can get out of it.

If its that easy, then why are there thousands of independent people powering their houses/businesses etc off this.

I pretty much doubt you can comprehend the idea, never mind make it, the input energy comes from the magnets, each magnet can hold 100kg each, now go buy two of these and push the positive sides together and you will soon realise the pushing force I'm talking about, ohh and dont get positive and negative confused with your fingers in between.

BTW this thread is about Free energy suppression, maybe that answers your last question. Ohh and maybe the fact that this is the first time I posted this idea of mine, and maybe the thousands of people didn't think of it, same way you never could.

thecommander

uprising wrote: »

I pretty much doubt you can comprehend the idea, never mind make it, the input energy comes from the magnets, each magnet can hold 100kg each, now go buy two of these and push the positive sides together and you will soon realise the pushing force I'm talking about, ohh and dont get positive and negative confused with your fingers in between.

BTW this thread is about Free energy suppression, maybe that answers your last question. Ohh and maybe the fact that this is the first time I posted this idea of mine, and maybe the thousands of people didn't think of it, same way you never could.

No need to try insult me. Its quite a simple concept to imagine, but so is a pig flying. Its another for it to work.

If its suppressed then how have you figured it out so easily? There are hundred of sites claiming to harness the power of magnets but none have a testable working free energy machine. Steorn claimed it, then when it came to crunch it wouldnt work.

Go get yourself the magnets, they may push with a massive force but when they've reached the limit of how far they go, whats there to push them back to their original starting point.

hoolio

firstly, will you please upload a sketch, hell even just a 20 second mspaint job, showing your "motor" please

secondly, if they're arranged as i'm assuming from your explanation, i can't see why you think those magnets would spin

thirdly, and this isn't sarcasm - if you believe that free energy devices have been supressed for hundreds of years, 1) are you not worried about your own well being for posting this device on a very public message board and 2) how would you explain the hundreds, if not thousands, of devices, blueprints and ideas for over unity devices posted online?

6th

uprising, continue taking that sort of insulting tone with posters in here and you'll be taking a break from the forum.

bonkey

uprising wrote: »

go buy two of these and push the positive sides together and you will soon realise the pushing force I'm talking about,

Surely this description shows the flaw in what you're talking about.

You have to add energy in order to move the magnets together. The repulsive energy which the magnetic fields is at most (i.e. in a system with 100% efficiency) exactly equal to the energy added to move them together in the first place.

uprising

thecommander wrote: »

No need to try insult me. Its quite a simple concept to imagine, but so is a pig flying. Its another for it to work.

If its suppressed then how have you figured it out so easily? There are hundred of sites claiming to harness the power of magnets but none have a testable working free energy machine. Steorn claimed it, then when it came to crunch it wouldnt work.

Go get yourself the magnets, they may push with a massive force but when they've reached the limit of how far they go, whats there to push them back to their original starting point.

Ok put a pig into an airoplane, the pig will fly.

I figured it out with my mind, last time I tested my IQ i got 133.

The magnets are set in a circular configeration, a full circle of magnet's on inner and outer cores with the magnet's offset to 45degree's or thereabout's on the two opposing sides, so when a magnet passes 1 opposing magnet it is immidiately pushed to the next which pushes it to the next, this occur's with multiple magnets at once, say for instance 12 on outer core and 7 on inner core, which would create perpetual motion for the lifespan of the magnets which could be from 15 years to 100's of years.

bonkey

uprising wrote: »

Ok put a pig into an airoplane, the pig will fly.

No, the pig will be flown.

Regarding your motor design...remove the battery. Replace it with something which is taking a feed off the energy being generated from the motor. You're allegedly producing far more then the battery supplies, so you still have a net positive gain.

Should still work, right?

espinolman

hoolio wrote: »

2) how would you explain the hundreds, if not thousands, of devices, blueprints and ideas for over unity devices posted online?

Some of them probably don't work , some of them do , you see i think it is when they go to prove that these things work and get devices independantly tested that the heavy suppression kicks in , and that is why some inverters don't allow their inventions to be independantly tested .

bonkey

The only way to prevent a design from being independantly tested is to choose not to release details of how it works.

In such an event, the person suppressing the design is the inventor.

uprising

bonkey wrote: »

No, the pig will be flown.

Regarding your motor design...remove the battery. Replace it with something which is taking a feed off the energy being generated from the motor. You're allegedly producing far more then the battery supplies, so you still have a net positive gain.

Should still work, right?

I think your a bit confused, the battery and motor are not connected, the motor is independant, it will spin all by it's self.
The battery is a buffer between the alternator and inverter, the alternator spins and gives out 12v(AC) which charges the battery, the battery gives out 12v(DC), the inverter takes in 12v(DC) and gives out 230v(AC) at a variety of wattage depening on the inverter used.

espinolman

uprising wrote: »

The magnets are set in a circular configeration, a full circle of magnet's on inner and outer cores with the magnet's offset to 45degree's or thereabout's on the two opposing sides, so when a magnet passes 1 opposing magnet it is immidiately pushed to the next which pushes it to the next, this occur's with multiple magnets at once, say for instance 12 on outer core and 7 on inner core, which would create perpetual motion for the lifespan of the magnets which could be from 15 years to 100's of years.

If you used magnetic shielding around part of each magnet on either the stator or rotor it would make the motor more efficient .

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

Some of them probably don't work , some of them do , you see i think it is when they go to prove that these things work and get devices independantly tested that the heavy suppression kicks in , and that is why some inverters don't allow their inventions to be independantly tested .

Just cant figure out why there isnt a huge community of people availing of this "free" energy. If its as easy you say, then how come you haven't got one running in your home/business.

I've built motors and the force required to push a magnet from magnet A to magnet B is the same force as magnet B to magnet A, thus it cancels each other out. Even theoretically if you could achieve unity, as soon as you add anything to it, the balance would be upset and it would stop working. It would make a pretty art install, but couldn't be used for any real work.

The design soulds fairly similar to Steorn's. They asked for peer review, but funnily enough it didn't work for them. They've said that they'll have a working one by end of year but I wouldn't hold breath.

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

I've built motors and the force required to push a magnet from magnet A to magnet B is the same force as magnet B to magnet A, thus it cancels each other out.

Have you tried attaching magnetic shielding to one edge of each magnet to overcome this problem ?

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

Have you tried attaching magnetic shielding to one edge of each magnet to overcome this problem ?

Why why why why why isnt this in common use if its so easy to do?

Have you built one that works, or are these just theories on paper?

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

Have you built one that works, or are these just theories on paper?

No i haven't built one , but that is what they use on them , magnetic shielding , i have seen them on utube and they have the magnets tipped with magnetic shielding to overcome that problem and they get up to thousands of RPMs , i've seen i don't know how many videos on utube of these motors working .

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

No i haven't built one , but that is what they use on them , magnetic shielding , i have seen them on utube and they have the magnets tipped with magnetic shielding to overcome that problem and they get up to thousands of RPMs , i've seen i don't know how many videos on utube of these motors working .

Loads of videos on YouTube does not say supression to me.
I'd like to see one tested under lab conditions.

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

Why why why why why isnt this in common use if its so easy to do?

Because it is not "approved" by the government .

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

Because it is not "approved" by the government .

That's a bull**** answer.

It's not in common use because it doesnt work.