Is there anybody here who still considers themselves a Fianna Fail supporter ?

cooperguy

Who actually believes that if another party were in charge for the last 10 years there would be a serious difference in where we are today?

Which party exactly would have had the balls to call stop where FF didnt. And why didnt they do it from the opposition bench?

Im not a FF supporter but I really dont think we would be much better off if somebody else was in charge.

DarkJager

I think we need a fresh government, and enough of this nonsense about their being no credible alternative. Who can honestly say they would not want someone like Richard Bruton as Finance minister? The guy is as straight talking as they come, and actually has a clue about the workings of the economy compared to pot shot Lenihan.

lmtduffy

LoanShark wrote: »

Is that the best arguement you can produce??
It's [EMAIL="dickh€@ds"]dickh€@ds[/EMAIL] like you that get the airtime that brainwashes the uneducated into think that this econmic downfall is all Brian Cownes Fault!
When it is a far bigger picture than just us..

no people are not being brain washed into thinking it all Brians fault people are fully aware FF are incompetent and he being their leader is a legitimate target for anger.

The opposition have nothing to offer, But just Highlight Negativity and offer No Positive constructive solutions..

Yeh because social democratic parties never got countries out of recessions,
ah but they do, and when their in power persistently produce highly advanced states. People need to look to Scandinavian countries and their history and their present to see what we can do and what the consequences of our action will be.

and at least the opposition are capable of reading and understanding the information given to them, ala Lenihan.

Brain Cowen and his government will guide us through this downturn it won't be easy,But That's life,We all stood with our hands out taking everything the bank threw at us during the good times and now we're huffing because 'Shock Horror' We have to start paying it all back...I agree that there has been alot of guys at the top of the food chain that have got away with far too much, But Unions,Lawyers and Bullsh*t have made it easier for them to escape.

no were huffing because "shock horror" we have to pay for the banks wrong doings, the banks that should be regulated by government bodies, but...nah its easier to just not go there isn't it?

How have unions made it easier for anyone in the top of the food chain to escape, I believe it is workers may of whom are in unions that are the ones footing bill?

and one again what about the governments duties to regulate the financial sector, there lack of strong or effective corporate legislation to stop these guys escaping?

Your post is a wonderful display of the arrogance and me fein attitude of FF and their supporters.

Why dont they come out and hang their members,Simple...They are Spineless Arrogant Lemmings who know too right that they could easily get the P45 if they step out of line from their members..

I cant tell honestly are you talking about FF here?

lmtduffy

cm2000 wrote: »

I think I would still consider myself a ff supporter though i am not and have not been a member. Here are my reasons.

1. I will not forget the massive growth, debt reduction and peace they have brought to this country over the last decade or so.

yes because no one else would have done that?, except it might have taken slightly longer is Sinn fein were in power.
The debt reduction doesn't count for much now,

2. I do blame them for the property boom, it was poorly regulated but I do somewhat feel that the reason for this was not to support builders or raise prices but to curb rising prices at a time when the demand for houses was huge and the supply short. People called for an increased supply to curb price inflation. I accept it was badly done and hold them responsible but it's not something I think was done for greed nor do I think it is a single issue that should define them.

my main issue with that is that those not able to get on the "property ladder" were given priority over a host of other more vulnerable groups form school children to the homeless.

3. The financial crisis is a worldwide phenomenon and the culture is changing but massive regulatory change was not on the agenda of any political party and so I don't accept that it's a Fianna Fail problem but rather a result of a global culture.

Some form of constructive spending to reduce the gap between the rich and poor, or less money for private hospitals or private schools, would have eased the current situation.

4. I consider myself centre-right. I also think that of the political parties Fianna Fail has the most talent, I really do. I look to people such as Barry Andrews and especially Conor Lenihan and see intelligent reasoned politicians who provide a good future for the party. In Fine Gael I can only see Bruton as a really talented guy and the fact that he's not their party leader is an example of their own ineptitude. In Labour I see little or no talent, Quinn is OK but Gilmore sickens me. He is severe in tone, hopeless when we need hope, populist and is more partisan than any politician I've seen in a while.

What ever about the future of the party, the current bunch are incompetent, unaware and quiet detached, FF only legislated when it suited them and their supporters, alot of people will never get there share of the Celtic tiger because of the talent you see.

Care to explain why such reasoned politicians allowed a pd with a very small mandate to deconstruct the health service

5. I also do not accept that our growth has all come from a property bubble. It has, in my opinion come primarily from an extraordinary export sector and from the intelligence, dilligence and creativity of a new generation of confident workers, supported by a government who created a low tax, business friendly environment.

and there reintroducing fee's because?, and that generation of workers isnt carrying us now because?, and all the business that hired them just happen to be be multi-nationals enjoying a low corporation tax.

They had a lot of chances to establish some strong Ireland based industries with that generation and they didn't.

What I appreciated most from Cowen's speech at the Ard Fheis was the comment that our phenomenal last 15 years produced a confidence that we have earned and the we deserve. He is flawed. The party is flawed. But I feel it is the most talented, most proven and most hopeful political party in the country and I, for now, will stick by them.

Please don't all hate me a once.

really how are they hopeful?

lmtduffy

gaynorvader wrote: »

I will vote for FF mainly because of Mr.Cowen. Say what you like, he has certaintly made some bold decisions and deserves our support. It's easy to blame, hard to fix and he's trying his hardest, despite being thrust unexpectedly into a very awkward position. Opposition parties seem to be seizing any little mistake he makes and holding it over his head. Even if the opposition parties aren't in power, they should be shelving their pride and egos and working together with the current government to think of positive solutions to resolve this downturn.

He is lacking in the bold decision department, pensioners being a bold example.
His hardest is not good enough,
he was finance minister before this, although you couldn't expect him OT have been aware at that time either.

Little mistakes? I dont think hes being making mistakes, I think that's just FF policy.
The current government didnt want to work with the opposition before, so now you think first of all that they would listen now, and secondly that the opposition should just give there policies to the FF and support the shower that have done so much damage?

lmtduffy

cooperguy wrote: »

Who actually believes that if another party were in charge for the last 10 years there would be a serious difference in where we are today?

Which party exactly would have had the balls to call stop where FF didnt. And why didnt they do it from the opposition bench?

Im not a FF supporter but I really dont think we would be much better off if somebody else was in charge.

if money was put into developing our welfare system and encouraging indigenous industry, and supporting our education system, they we would be better off, and the cuts would not be so deep,

Darragh29

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ROS123

What I cant understand and it drives me nuts is people saying I have always voted ** (FF FG Lb) and I will always vote **. Substitute which ever letters that suit, This is brainless moronic logic. Vote for which ever Party makes the most sense at whatever given time. The other thing which should never happen is for one party to stay in power for too long (FF at the moment) Power corrupts, that and complacency just breeds contempt and they loose touch with reality.

Whatever the choice of alternative, FF have been in power too long, they need a spell in opposition so that they can get a grip on reality, and learn a little humilty. Having said that, now is not the time for an election, maybe it is time for some all party cooperation.

shezzie

get the useless sods out now i vote for election to oust them...let the people talk and let them listen for once...:mad: