Gone beyond a Joke.

Mr. Incognito

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055503039

OP post thread calling blaggard out.

Blaggard responds through third party with ridiculous conditions.

All point and laugh at Blaggard.

Someone digs out Blaggards Blog which shows his Mom is sick in hospital and he can't scrape together 1K for cash game

http://holllllaments.blogspot.com/2009/02/worst-day-ever-trip-report-tldr.html

I've made the point that the entire thread is a call out and it's obvious that the object of the call out cannot, and does not have 30K to play a cash game- therefore I believe the thread should be locked. At this stage it's in the realm of very very bad taste and we should not be ridiculing someone in this way, especially someone who is under ban and cannot even reply on the thread.

I've seen some loose modding before as poker is quite a clique but this is just in bad taste at this stage and should be stopped.

I've raised it with the mod and his reply is as follows:

Thank you for your input, it's been noted. You don't have to read this thread anymore if you don't want to. It's neither funny nor a joke, both parties need to be given a right to reply, if and when either decide to pull out we may lock it then, but locking it now would do a disservice to both parties.

As I say your protestations have been noted and you don't need to continue with them.

Thank you, should you have a problem with any specific posts in future or that have been made previously feel free to report them, we will look at them and act accordingly.

Ste05

I'd agree with that if the person's personal life is not brought into it but this is a public humiliatiion that should be stopped immediately.

5starpool

He says he is cash busto, but that he swapped 2k online for around 1600 cash to get some walking around money. Poker needs drama. It has been remarkably well behaved apart from the initial flurry, a lot of which posts were deleted.

It's fine imo in context.

mazilad

?????

i have read the poker forum for quite a while

i did not want to get involved in the thread as i know niether of them but i have never seen you post much in the poker forum. holllaments created that blog and told everyone about it therefore anything he wrote in it, he wanted us to see

the mods in the poker forum have deleted any garbage posts in the thread already so are doing a fine job

if you do not like what is going on then simply do not read it but certaily i do not see how this is a public humiliation

Mr. Incognito

How is a guy getting the bus home going to afford 30K in a heads up game.

Swapping 2K online is a far cry from having 30K. It's obvious the guy was talking crap- fair enough, why do we need a trial to prove it.

The first few pages were quite entertaining, His personal blog is not.

Really? Simple common sense here is needed.

Wreck

Op clearly does not understand what is going on this thread or in the boards poker community as a whole, and has jumped to his own conclusions. He also fails to understand that we all read each others blogs all the time, that that is their purpose, and no one would post any personal information in their blog if they wanted it to remain private.

Mr. Incognito

Yes -you all sound like you're great pals of his.

You going to lend him 30K?

I don't know him, heck what I know of him I don't even like but this is quite simpy bull and should be stopped.

Hank Scorpio

HE posted that BLOG

Blogs are there to be read and it just confirmed everyone suspicions

Ste05

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

OP post thread calling blaggard out.

Perfectly normal in Poker Forums throughout the Internet World.

Blaggard responds through third party with ridiculous conditions.

Again standard when negotiating a gambling contract/ wager.

All point and laugh at Blaggard.

No they don't.

Someone digs out Blaggards Blog which shows his Mom is sick in hospital and he can't scrape together 1K for cash game

http://holllllaments.blogspot.com/20...port-tldr.html

BTW this is his blog, that link is broken: http://holllllaments.blogspot.com/
This person didn't read the whole blog nor does he know who Holllaments is, he's a highly successful Online Poker player, in fact if this OP had just gone down 1 blog post, he would see that Hollllaments actually made a post saying he's not leaving the house with any less than €2,000 in future. If this OP (who I suspect is a troll) had bothered to read the whole blog and not make huge leaps and misrepresentations about what's in it, he would know (as I suspect he does) that according to that Blog all that happened was he managed to max out his daily Bank machine Limit, hardly that much cause of concern, well not for a successful Poker player anyway.

I've made the point that the entire thread is a call out and it's obvious that the object of the call out cannot,and does not have 30K to play a cash game- therefore I believe the thread should be locked.

And you know this from 1 misreading of a blog post????

At this stage it's in the realm of very very bad taste and we should not be ridiculing someone in this way, especially someone who is under ban and cannot even reply on the thread.

You're one of the only people ridiculing him, and I feel that all this thread is attempting to accomplish is to give this match a wider audience. Yes it is a call out, and Holllla may actually like to play this match, there is nothing strange or unusual about a call-out in the Internet Poker world. Hollla may even think this is a profitable proposition as he is a very good poker player.

I've seen some loose modding before as poker is quite a clique but this is just in bad taste at this stage and should be stopped.

It is not in bad taste, it will be stopped as soon as there is a reason to, or if either party decline the wager during the negotiations.

I've raised it with the mod and his reply is as follows:



I'd agree with that if the person's personal life is not brought into it but this is a public humiliatiion that should be stopped immediately.

And finally WHAT??? Where's the public humiliation?? You know exactly 0 about the situation or the people involved, we Poker mods know alot more then you do and should Hollllla want the thread locked, he knows we're all only a PM away.

He has a right to reply to the thread and we have never said otherwise.

Wreck

Just for clarity HoLLLLLaments links to his poker blog in his boards signature - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=132877

Ste05

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

How is a guy getting the bus home going to afford 30K in a heads up game.

Swapping 2K online is a far cry from having 30K. It's obvious the guy was talking crap- fair enough, why do we need a trial to prove it.

The first few pages were quite entertaining, His personal blog is not.

Really? Simple common sense here is needed.

This person knows nothing about the situation and is trying to give Hollllaments a bad name by constantly misrepresenting him in his posts, including this OP, I would ask that this thread be deleted, or at the very least the accusations and mis-representations made herein be removed, it's fine in the Poker forum because everyone there knows who Hollllaments is, but in here they do not.

5starpool

I wouldn't call the OP a troll Ste tbf, but not quite in touch with the poker forum as a whole, yes. Nothing wrong with that either as it has it's own dynamic, but every poker forum needs some of these type of challenges imo as long as they remain fairly civil.

mdwexford

Ban OP please.

latenia

In fairness, I ain't never met a balla who lived at home with his dad in Dundalk.

CHD

In b4 zee lock

Theresalwaysone

Incongito is a troll.

Move along now, nothing to see here.

Mr. Incognito

Look, fair enough you have you own dynamic and all that. I'm not misrepresenting anything I'm calling this as I see it.

From his blog:

atm cards maxed out and have like a 1er left on me. go to dublin. visit my mam. get bus to dundalk. stephen murphy rings me as we are approaching drogheda and i tell him about my day. he suggests i shud go to riverside. i say im cash busto. he says he will gimme 1k. i say ok and suggest i go to his house and ship him online moneys for cash. he says hes just leaving his house to go to drogheda and i shud get off the bus. i get off the bus. 2 seconds later he rings me and tells me he lost loads in dundalk game last night and doesnt have his usual walking round money and only has 600. im like wtf. i go to bus depot. next bus not for 2 hours. i walk to taxi area. en route my friend from earlier rings me and tells me he has that ounce i asked him to get earlier and i shud ring him when i get home so he can call up for money. i say kool and hang up. i then realise if i have to pay him a oner i cant get taxi. i ring him back and explain and he says he needs money to go to liverpool tomorrow(i know this to be true). i realise i have to wait for public transport. murphy arrives shortly after. i go to casino with him. text like 4 diffent people in drog offering to go to their house and ship them 2k online for 1500-1800 cash. they all have minimal cash-or are cash busto. decide fck it ill buy in for a nifty to pass the time. ill just have to give my friend one of my atm cards and he can take his own oner out. i mess around and get all in for 150 on a 963hh board with 8h3h and brick vs q6 i check my phone and its 10.55. perfect timing. walk to bus. realise on walk i could have just got taxi after having "giving friend atm card" epiphany. think about how retarded i am. wait for bus. bus doesnt come. im the only one in the whole of drogheda bus depot for like 30 mins. 2 guards walking on footpath of main road spot me and make a beeline for me. woman guard asks me if im waiting for a bus or something.....i really want to say something smart here. so many cheeky comments are racing tru my head but im completely depresed and fed up so i think better of it and say yes im waiting for the dundalk bus. what time is it coming. i dont know. so your just going to wait for a bus to dundalk to arrive? yes. ok. guards

This does not sound like "a very sucessfull" online poker player. You might think it's normal to gamble 30K away on heads up or represent it that way but the above is not someone who sounds to me like he's flying back and forth to Vegas for the WSOP.

Calling me a troll is frankly ridulous. Anyone who outside your clique raising a legitimate concern is not a troll. I pop into poker to read a lot of theory threads which i find a fantastic resource but if this is your "community"- you're welcome to it.

Ste05

5starpool wrote: »

I wouldn't call the OP a troll Ste tbf, but not quite in touch with the poker forum as a whole, yes. Nothing wrong with that either as it has it's own dynamic, but every poker forum needs some of these type of challenges imo as long as they remain fairly civil.

Possibly, but the never ending mis-representing and partial quoting isn't a good sign IMO. Should he fully read the blog post and retract the statements it'll go a long way to proving me wrong.

dannydiamond

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

How is a guy getting the bus home going to afford 30K in a heads up game.

Swapping 2K online is a far cry from having 30K. It's obvious the guy was talking crap- fair enough, why do we need a trial to prove it.

The first few pages were quite entertaining, His personal blog is not.

Really? Simple common sense here is needed.

The only posts I've seen from the op in the poker forum have been complaing about this thread,which seems quite bizzare tbh.

I'd suggest op either has hidden motives against the people involved in the thread,or against the mods themselves.
I simply cannot see any other reason for the sheer excessiveness of his complaints.

OP, as many others have suggested, doesn't appear to know what he is on about. Particularly if he is reading "cash busto" to mean that Holllla is broke.

Mr. Incognito

It's quite easy to run a search on my posts.

I have no mod agenda, infact I think it's been modded quite well but when personal lives come into it it's time to draw a line.

The guy lives at home, his mom is in hospital and he's taking a bus around the place. If you think that's someone that casually throws out 30K for a poker game you are all detached from reality.

Ste05

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This does not sound like "a very sucessfull" online poker player. You might think it's normal to gamble 30K away on heads up or represent it that way but the above is not someone who sounds to me like he's flying back and forth to Vegas for the WSOP.

Calling me a troll is frankly ridulous. Anyone who outside your clique raising a legitimate concern is not a troll. I pop into poker to read a lot of theory threads which i find a fantastic resource but if this is your "community"- you're welcome to it.

Seriously did you read that?? I presume you just didn't understand alot of the lingo, but all he said there was he had no cash on him... if you bought a new TV with cash and had maxed out your daily withdrawal limit, and asked someone for a lend of €50 would that mean you are bankrupt, or would it mean I had absolutely no idea how much money you had in your bank account???

Honestly you have no idea what's going on in that thread.

Also, as I previously asked you. Read 1 blog post down.... here it is to save you the hassle of missing it. This person is not what you'd like everyone to think he is, that being someone who can't put €1,000 together and is gambling money away while his mother is sick. It's really quite pathetic what you're trying to accomplish here. My request still stands, can this thread be deleted or the accusations and mis-representations be reomved.

money

decided im never going to leave the house with less than 2k anymore. never ever. you just never know what will come up.

RoundyMooney

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

How is a guy getting the bus home going to afford 30K in a heads up game.

How is that the mods or boards problem?

If yer man is dumb enough to agree to a challenge he can't uphold, more fool him.

Mr. Incognito

If I've misrepresented the facts kindly show me where- I've only posted links to his blog and exerpts from such.

I fully accept that he has on-line cash, but if he has 30K even of online cash I'll eat my shoe. That's called common sense.

5starpool

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

It's quite easy to run a search on my posts.

I have no mod agenda, infact I think it's been modded quite well but when personal lives come into it it's time to draw a line.

The guy lives at home, his mom is in hospital and he's taking a bus around the place. If you think that's someone that casually throws out 30K for a poker game you are all detached from reality.

His mother is sick. OK, that's terrible, but how does that mean that he can't possibly have 30k to gamble? He takes public transport. Wow. As far as I know he is 19 (maybe 20). A lot of people that age don't drive. If he has 100k in the bank he is not going to have a private car with a chauffeur.

He says in his blog as well that he was shortstacking 50/100 plo. The min buyin to this is 4k afaik (not a level I have ever played), he also mentions playing 5/10 and being annoyed that he finished up 900 only, so hardly the ambition of someone broke.

bohsman

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I fully accept that he has on-line cash, but if he has 30K even of online cash I'll eat my shoe. That's called common sense.

Sweet, will you do it live at one of the heads up games?

5starpool

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

If I've misrepresented the facts kindly show me where- I've only posted links to his blog and exerpts from such.

I fully accept that he has on-line cash, but if he has 30K even of online cash I'll eat my shoe. That's called common sense.

Prop bet? You got a webcam setup for this? Hollaments, if you are reading this, I want to see someone eating their shoe. Find some way to prove it please.

mazilad

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

If I've misrepresented the facts kindly show me where- I've only posted links to his blog and exerpts from such.

I fully accept that he has on-line cash, but if he has 30K even of online cash I'll eat my shoe. That's called common sense.

from his blog you may also have read he does not have a drivers license. why is it so hard for you to believe this guy has 100s of thousands. most poker players are degenerates after all

tbh i think you are just wrapped up in a fantasy world and may possibly be jealous that someone might actually have this kind of money

believe me he would not have accepted or imposed new rules if he did not have 30k to waste

Ste05

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

If I've misrepresented the facts kindly show me where- I've only posted links to his blog and exerpts from such.

Apart from his mother being sick (classy guy bringing that one in!!) nothing you said here is correct:
"Someone digs out Blaggards Blog which shows his Mom is sick in hospital and he can't scrape together 1K for cash game"

How do you know he is a "blaggard"???
He said his friends didn't have cash on them, which is just about as far from "he can't scrape together 1K for cash game" as humanly possible. Basically every kind of conception you have of this person is wrong. You know nothing about these people or their situations and you feel the need to make this thread?? Not only make the thread, but continue on in your accusations and mis-representations after being proved wrong. I don't know what your agenda is here, but it's very tasteless and completely classless IMO.

I fully accept that he has on-line cash, but if he has 30K even of online cash I'll eat my shoe. That's called common sense.

That's just the same as me saying: "If you have more than €27.98 in your bank account I'll jump on my car bonnet twice before going to bed"

I don't have a notion how much money you have, and it'd be pretty disgusting for me to go about making accusations about your personal wealth based on nothing but reading what you post here. What business is it of yours if he only has $25,000 in his account, or if he has $1,000,324 in his account???

Seriously, move along please.

Chucky the tree

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

but if this is your "community"- you're welcome to it.

So can he be banned now yea?

Mr. Incognito

Okay,

I'll make this point and I'll move along.

I know nothing about the OP, what I do know is based on his personal blog that has been disseminated in the thread. From this he does not appear to be someone who is sitting on thousands of Euro. Perhaps I'm wrong. You say I've been "proved wrong" but as you say neither one of us knows. Applying some common sense someone sitting on thousands of K is taking public transport or living at home.

The entire point of the original thread is that the OP thought he was full of it, in fact I think he's full of it too and got called out. I enjoyed it as much as the next guy but when his personal posts are put up there this, in my mind, is not someone that can be expected to put up 30K. Maybe he can, but it's a far cry from what his blog reflects.

At this stage one's conscience, my conscience came into play and suddenly it doesn't seem appropriate to get mirth out of someone who obviously, to my mind, does not have this kind of money and is just fronting. It's wrong, just flat wrong. Aye his mother is sick, boo-hoo. Perhaps that contributed but the fact is it's wrong regardless. That's why I believe the thread should be locked.

If you don't agree with that and want to see someone made a fool of for your and the masses entertainment go right ahead.

eagle eye

Hollaments I meet you in Kilarney and really didnt like you

You like to portray yourself as a balla with a massive roll, but 2bh I reckon your a fraud

These are both from the op in that thread on the poker forum. The person he is talking to/about is not able to post on boards under his own name at the present time.

If you read the whole thread it seems like one big witch hunt with people getting involved and throwing their five cents worth in at every opportunity.

I advised the person who imo was being goaded and abused not to take up this challenge until such time as he received an apology form the op.

There were plenty of replies to my post and some of them were attacking me in some way, shape or form.

I have also pointed out that contrary to the op's suggestion that he did not have the money he has said he is willing to put the money up but under different conditions. Therefore he is saying he has the money but the op still has not apologised for accusing him of not having this money.

During the course of this thread I have had a moderator state this regarding my posts on boards. The following was his full reply while quoting something I said.

From someone whose posts frequently fail to make sense, this is perhaps one of the most senseless of the lot.

The op of this thread has been attacked from all angles since he first posted in the thread on the poker forum that is at issue here.


I believe this thread on the poker forum is an outright attack at a forum member from many other members who it is clear do not like this man who has been challenged. I don't think that this sort of flaming and bullying should be allowed on the poker forum.

I think that the thread in the poker forum should be shut.