Feedback and Proposals

Diogenes

Captain Furball wrote: »

He has made some valid points.The word scientific, does not have to precede the word theory.Usage of the word theory in this forums context is overshadowed by the assumption that what we are discussing is in fact science, when it is rarely the case.

The OP calls "science" "your science" and then professes to be a scientist. If he claims to be a a scientist then he should hold himself to the scientific definition of theory.

Some of us hold the word theory to the Scientific definition of the word theory. Others seem to think the word's definition is meaningless, and try and apply what is the accepted definition of "guess" or "imagine".

Words should have meaning. If you don't understand the meaning of theory that most of us accept you have an issue

meglome

indough wrote: »

there is a creative writing forum, this isnt it

Agreed.

indough wrote: »

but anyone proposing a 'theory' should not only be willing to hear criticism, they should be thankful for it as it aids in the development of a theory

on the other hand people who treat any bit of criticism with hostility are more likely just spouting fantasy than anything resembling a theory

if people were actually interested in finding out the truth then they wouldnt get so offended and defensive just because there claims are being challenged

Agreed.

I've always had the feeling that many conspiracy theorists are much more interested in people agreeing with them than they really are in the truth. Funnily I've learned a lot from posting in here but some people need to learn the difference between their opinion (or an idea they had or heard) and evidence based fact.

Captain Furball

Diogenes wrote: »

The OP calls "science" "your science" and then professes to be a scientist. If he claims to be a a scientist then he should hold himself to the scientific definition of theory.

Some of us hold the word theory to the Scientific definition of the word theory. Others seem to think the word's definition is meaningless, and try and apply what is the accepted definition of "guess" or "imagine".

Words should have meaning. If you don't understand the meaning of theory that most of us accept you have an issue

I'm not here to argue what the op means or how he should use certain words.Just because your a milkman doesn't mean you should define your thinking as milkman like.
The word theory is not exclusive to science.I'm not interested in how you take ownership of such a word.

I agree with you when you mention that the word is over used and so much so that it becomes meaningless.Part of the problem i have found is, if you present a theory here, ego's tend to get in the way.Posting your theory as you see it and expecting to defend it without science is quite off putting.

bonkey

<Posting as mod>

bikeblues wrote: »

the whole point of a conspiracy forum is to discuss the conspiracys
as us so called CT nuts see fit

You're entitled to your opinion.

When this forum was set up, the moderators at the time decided that this is not what this forum should be. We have upheld that decision. It has been discussed many times in the past, and the members have never agreed that this is what it should be. Not even the "pro CT" posters have agreed on a single vision of what it should be.

every one who attempts to discuss a C theory with fellow CT nuts
has to put up with the barrage of slide rule wielders

No, they don't. Read the feedback thread. On post 155, in June of this year, I put forward a proposal which gave people an explicit option to avoid what you are saying.

30 posts and 3 days later I suggested we give it a trial run, and asked people with ideas for such a thread to contact me.

Guess how many suggestions were received? Guess how many CT posters were so fed up with threads running the way that you say, that they sent me a PM to say something like "I'd like to restart <thread X> in a way that <Y> isn't allowed" ???

None. Not one person made a single suggestion of a thread that they wanted to run under this system...despite quite a number of regulars being active on that thread during those days and people expressing general support for the idea.

MC came back with a completely different idea. Some people started "watch this video before posting" threads, but given that they didn't contact me to discuss ground rules for a trial-run like I asked I didn't consider these to be really taking my idea up.

So you'll have to forgive me if I'm somewhat skeptical of your complaint.

smug in the self satisfaction of another wonderfull CT kill.
...

I'm going to say this once, and it applies to all posters here. Discussing the forum gives no-one a license to ignore the charter.

Anyone who makes negative personal comments like this (or Diogenes' "you've got an issue") on this thread after this post, will be summarily banned.

bonkey

Diogenes wrote: »

and apply what is the accepted definition of "guess" or "imagine".

So you agree that its an accepted definition. I'm not sure why you are arguing against people using an accepted definition of the term.

Words should have meaning.

Yes, but words can mean many things, and it is always a question of understanding them in context.

For example..."conspiracy" is not a scientific term. This would suggest that in the context it is used, "theory" in the name of this forum is not referring to the scientific term either.

A word should be interpreted in context...and I don't think it would be entirely tenable to argue that in a forum which is named with a non-scientific interpretation of the word, that the word should be used only in its scientific context.

6th

bikeblues wrote: »

seems the CT forum mods are not actually CT friendly.

Really? Shows who much you've learned in your very short time here.

6th

I've merged thus thread with the Feedback & Proposals thread. No point having a new thread for the same thing.

Undergod

bikeblues wrote: »

*IMPOSSIBLE TO ARGUE WITH AND ALWAYS INFALLIBLE * = SCIENCE .

Hmmm. Not quite right.

ynotdu

6th wrote: »

Ok folks, obviously thinks are changing a bit here and I'd like to get an idea of what people expect from this forum.

Can people post (without singling out other posters or posting insults/abuse) what it is they want from this forum. What do you like about it? What dont you like about it? How can we improve it?

Anything that has some shred of evidence but not enough to be undisputed!

bikeblues

When this forum was set up, the moderators at the time decided that this is not what this forum should be. We have upheld that decision. It has been discussed many times in the past, and the members have never agreed that this is what it should be. Not even the "pro CT" posters have agreed on a single vision of what it should be.


<< ah - I see
didnt spot this - Now it makes sense .


I have no probelm with healthy debate - but usually CT forums are more "fan" based than " skeptic" based -


Now I see why - and I accept why it is the way it is.

sorry if I came off a little frustrated - but I couldnt grasp the modus operandi of the setup here.

so back to the fray

Penn

Rather than bring the other thread further off topic, I would like to say that I agree with other posters about the use of scaremongering images in threads, and how they should be banned. They add nothing to the topics, they are blatent scaremongering (which CT'ers often accuse the NWO/Masons etc of), and have no relevance to reality. If the topic and information presented is substantial enough to be considered a legitamte conspiracy theory, then pictures like this are not necessary. Let the facts and opinions speak for themselves rather than these ridiculous pictures

6th

There always the option of having image tags turned off as they are in AH. How would people feel about that?

Diogenes

6th wrote: »

There always the option of having image tags turned off as they are in AH. How would people feel about that?

Unfortunately considering many photos are crucial to arguments, this isn't essentially practical.

For example consider CTers claims about "no plane at the pentagon" or "the hole in the wall of the building is too small" When it's easy to post innumerable photos of airplane wreckage, and of the building to refute these claims.

However at the same time, there are certain posters who enjoy posting images that can only be described as propaganda. Consider this image that has been posted here



or


These are images that progress or move forward the debate, these are naked propaganda and scaremongering.

I'd hate to see a full image ban, because like certain youtube videos, and certain stills they are helpful, just posting an image to terrify people isn't a compelling argument.

In short I'd like to see mods allow stills and videoes that back facts but a ban on images that are only put up in order to evoke an emotional reaction, and are nothing less than propaganda.

Or at the least such images should be based in a single thread.

6th

images will appear as links so if they are essential to an arguement people will still click on them. ... or ignore them but some do that anyway.

Diogenes

6th wrote: »

images will appear as links so if they are essential to an arguement people will still click on them. ... or ignore them but some do that anyway.

I should explain. Images that support a point should be accepted as either links, or embedded. Images that don't contain facts and are merely substituting hysteria and hyperbola for facts should be banned out right as links or embedded images.

I mean really does an image of doctor with disease riddled hands supposedly injecting screaming children with H1N1 vaccine vial (thats suggests they'll all get autism) really add anything substantive to the debate?

bonkey

Diogenes wrote: »

However at the same time, there are certain posters who enjoy posting images that can only be described as propaganda. Consider this image that has been posted here
<snip>

Here's the thing...

The complaint seems to be that "this guy I disagree with is posting images which cheapen and undermine his own argument....and I want you to make him stop"...which is strange. It almost suggests that people are worried that these images might actually be effective and that this concern is the basis of their complaint....but that they're saying something else.

Either which way...they annoy some, they don't annoy others.

I can see both sides to be honest. Leaving my own preferences aside, I'm reluctant to favour a blanket ban as benefiting the forum. I do, however, suggest that we have a reasonable compromise of "judicious use".

I'm not going to suggest we put up with shedloads of gratuituous images added to posts (which we've seen in the past), nor, indeed, in someone feeling the need to add gratuituous images to every post. However, I feel that occasional use, particularly in thread-starting, is a not-unreasonable compromise for all.

Of course 6th may feel otherwise. I can see him proposing a blanket ban as part of his long-term plan to ban the use of smilies

Penn

My problem is that these images add nothing to the debate. They are not proof of anything and they do not show realistic situations. And while it may seem odd that we are saying that it detracts from RTDH's arguments, even though we are on the opposing side, we are all here to debate conspiracy theories. But the addition of pictures like these make me take the theory less seriously and could also put new people off from staying on this forum and becoming genuinely interested in the world of conspiracy theories.

There is no need for pictures like this:





If the facts presented in the topic are substantial enough to be taken seriously, pictures like this take the seriousness away from it. It's like writing E=mc² in Wingdings

Black Uhlan

here
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62739957&posted=1#post62739957

As for the picture thing - If it bothers you so much why don't you just scroll down?

humanji

Just thought I'd let you know about another Forums forum thread that involves this forum. It was an idea from a while ago that I never got around to fleshing out until now:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62822233#post62822233

Feedback would be welcome.

bonkey

We've now had two threads running in the "Forums" forum, and the same points have appeared in both, regarding ideas for allowing people to have threads free of being asked for evidence or proof.

I'd like to just remind everyone that if you want a thread like that, then read this post and this post and of mine and PM me to discuss it.

It might seem like work, but I want to make sure that I understand what you want, and have the chance to make sure its clear in the thread.

mysterious

A note to all readers and to the mods.


I've been aware of quite alot of inappropriate and apathy behaviour from some mods who move threads and dump them on here. Moving threads is fine, but a mod stating tin foil region, jews are lizzzzzzards, and saying cutting comments on the eng of their sig when moving a thread, is totally unacceptable and to be honest really sickening. I'm sure they are other popular names been used. These are just recent and seem to go unnoticed.

I don't want to name names or make a big deal out of it. But I am concerned this kind of behaviour hasn't been confronted. The two moderators on this forum, do have to come to terms with the fact that so many C.Ts are been driven off this site for this ongoing imbalance. I don't even want to go down the road of the amount of complaints and emails I've recieved on that issue about this forum. I just want to say that it should be made note of in the Charter. I mean we are here to respect all readers, whether your skeptic or a C.Ts, I think both sides will agree that people shouldn't be disprespected because they are Conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorist's on this site get a lot of abuse, and it's not something that should be put under the carpet anymore. If Conspiracy theorists were given as much freedom as the skeptics have here on the skeptics forum, you can bet your backs, skeptic forum will be shut down within a week.

I really want a friendlier open environment here. To all C.Ts out there don't give in to the abuse and state what you believe and don't be afraid to express it here. This is the forum for you guys and thats the bottom line. I know everyone is doing their part and it the level of respect has risen so I will leave it on a positive note.


All the best
Mysterious.

6th

Report the posts.

Undergod

mysterious wrote: »

A note to all readers and to the mods.


I've been aware of quite alot of inappropriate and apathy behaviour from some mods who move threads and dump them on here. Moving threads is fine, but a mod stating tin foil region, jews are lizzzzzzards, and saying cutting comments on the eng of their sig when moving a thread, is totally unacceptable and to be honest really sickening. I'm sure they are other popular names been used. These are just recent and seem to go unnoticed.

I don't want to name names or make a big deal out of it. But I am concerned this kind of behaviour hasn't been confronted. The two moderators on this forum, do have to come to terms with the fact that so many C.Ts are been driven off this site for this ongoing imbalance. I don't even want to go down the road of the amount of complaints and emails I've recieved on that issue about this forum. I just want to say that it should be made note of in the Charter. I mean we are here to respect all readers, whether your skeptic or a C.Ts, I think both sides will agree that people shouldn't be disprespected because they are Conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorist's on this site get a lot of abuse, and it's not something that should be put under the carpet anymore. If Conspiracy theorists were given as much freedom as the skeptics have here on the skeptics forum, you can bet your backs, skeptic forum will be shut down within a week.

I really want a friendlier open environment here. To all C.Ts out there don't give in to the abuse and state what you believe and don't be afraid to express it here. This is the forum for you guys and thats the bottom line. I know everyone is doing their part and it the level of respect has risen so I will leave it on a positive note.


All the best
Mysterious.

I can't say I agree with this. Any case of abuse I've seen, has been dealt with by the moderators. I myself (who am probably considered a skeptic) have been infracted and banned for personal abuse.

mysterious

I want to bring forward more feedback, why is it that some posters (who are obviously not aware or interested in alternative topics and conspiracy theories) why is it that they continue posting on here with unhelpful postings and drivel.. It could give this discussion forum some fresh air. We are adults and most of the people who use boards are adults (I'm sure) I find it unacceptable the amount of people who resort to chidlshness and immature digs to poke at people because they different beliefs.


For example.
Like your post is stupid i don't believe that, "the end" This is trolling and not adding to any discussion.

Or "This is nonsense and I wasted my time reading that"

Why post it if you wasted your time?


I don't think I should question anything you should meet a Psychriarists"

Is this the pshchriatary means test forum?



Like if people want to be this ignorant and have nothing to add why post? Seriously. If you don't believe a certain theory or you don't connect with the other person. Respect their chocies and views. If you don't agree with their views, That is understandable. But the hostility with a lot of people on this forum is unbeleivable. It's like people get hot and bothered when someone is an individual with a set of beliefs. I have no where on this forum beat someone down for believing in something. I also am not making it personal to me. BUt it's rather pointless with all these snigging waste of time drivel people post on here to poke at members. Remember we have choices to say and do here. I just want to say this to all to all C.Ts and readers. The natives shouldn't be ridiculed for their contributions on this thread. A lot of natives have been driven away from this Forum as a result of this kind of behaviour. I understand the moderaters mean well. But common sense and respect must be a common cause and a moderator shouldn't have to constantly call people out on bad manners. People shouldn't be warned for stating their theories either.

6th

Equally though I've seen people called ignorant and closed minded for not believing individuals who put forward statements and claim that these people will learn the hard way etc.

mysterious

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Explained it better than I could.

Too many sub-forums would probably cause more harm that good, but perhaps a sub-forum or two where theorists can discuss CTs and skeptics can post, but are not allowed to ask for proof or argue with the OP, a similar one for skeptics, and maybe a forum where CTs relating to paranormal events, UFOs, interdimensional realities or whatever can be discussed without fear of the thread being moved to the Paranormal forum etc

I do think this is the norm on every forum. Most people would be shocked that these topics are separated. It means that many likeminded subjects are now separated. There is a great need to keep things on topic. Conspiracy theories branch in all the other sub forums. So it really restricts the flow about a certain subjects such as UFOs for example.

So whats the soluton here?

mysterious

One thing I'd like to add.


This forum is not a room where One talks and gives facts, and the other waits.
I need to make this point clear. If skeptics have an issue with the evidence shown.

Start doing your research. We are all adults. We are not here to be taught and told. We are here to learn and mentor each other. I've said this point a very long tme ago on this forum and I will say it again. It is not my job or anyone's job to prove what is reality. One's job, is to share who and what they are and what they've experienced to share to the rest of you. It's my job however to post my perspective with evidence and many other things. But the truth is, it's your job to deal with your own skepticism. The irony to this and this is the bottom line point that you have to face that. Hardcore skeptics will not accept any evidence so they will further constantly parrot for more proof more evidence. This perception is off balance. This inbalance is exactly whats wrong with society. We constantly depend on others for validation of reality. This is why many people are driven on this forum.


They are many things we do in life that makes us different from another. This is something we have to learn to accept. We are not all of the same line of thinking. We shouldn't all be assuming we are right over the other like it's the be end of everything. Life is not about been right and whos wrong. Its about you learning from your experiences with others. It's about you finding your own truth without reliance on others. That someting is called responsible communication. If communication becomes a one way street where I or someone constantly has to prove everything that he says and researches, what is the point in conversing?

The thing that is not acceptable, is skeptics coming on, and point black sit and demand proof and eveything to be validatted to them, like it should be handed out on platter.


This is not reality this means you do not want to find out the truth yourself, and you want to find the truth in others. You don't beleive in the truth in your own capacity of self knowledge so you look to others outside yourself to fill that gap. You will look to a leader to guide you. You will look to a teacher to tell you what is reality and what you should learn. It's avoiding self responsibility. This again is not a good way to carry oneself imo.

We are here to learn from each other. Not sit around and want the person beside you to validate, disect, teach, show you everything that they are. Find out what you are, who you are, nobody on this forum has any responsibility to do that for you.


This applies for everyone. We are never going to get anywhere with this constant skepticism and lack of one self responsbility in seeking truth. I would like this to be clear for future references.

Seek your own truth.

6th

Ok before I head off into the sunset I wanted to note something. Some of the users of this forum hold the mods up to a standard and ask for nonbiases modding etc. Fair enough. But bare this in mind ... of all the reported posts in this forum (and there are LOTS) not once has a CTer reported a fellow CTer and not once has a Skeptics reported a fellow Skeptic. You guys pick sides and and fight for your own team and yet have the gaul to accuse the mods of allowing their own beliefs to dictate how they mod?

Hypocrocey.

Penn

6th wrote: »

Ok before I head off into the sunset I wanted to note something. Some of the users of this forum hold the mods up to a standard and ask for nonbiases modding etc. Fair enough. But bare this in mind ... of all the reported posts in this forum (and there are LOTS) not once has a CTer reported a fellow CTer and not once has a Skeptics reported a fellow Skeptic. You guys pick sides and and fight for your own team and yet have the gaul to accuse the mods of allowing their own beliefs to dictate how they mod?

Hypocrocey.

While I'd say thats true in general, I reported Flamed Diving for baiting CTers with the Blair thread just last week. And I may have reported other skeptics before, or at least I thought I had. Although I have no access to that history so I'll take your word for it.

6th

Ok when I say not once I'm really saying very rarely. In 99.9% of cases people will ignore very obviously breaches of the forum (personal abuse etc) if its made by someone on their side of an arguement.

thecommander

6th wrote: »

Ok when I say not once I'm really saying very rarely. In 99.9% of cases people will ignore very obviously breaches of the forum (personal abuse etc) if its made by someone on their side of an arguement.

Isn't that a reflection of real life?

6th

Yep .... but I'd like the people who scream bias to see this and acknowledge it.

Nehaxak

I'm a sceptic on an awful lot of things but I enjoy (or at least used too anyway) reading conspiracy theories and the writings/ramblings of others just as an alternative bit of news/discussion to everything else out there (as much as I enjoy reading sceptical constructive debate for that matter).

Although I wouldn't put myself now on either side of the fence in this forum, from a nobody just looking in and who used to enjoy reading stuff on here, to me it seems there's just an intentional and incessant amount of bullying going on toward it seems anyone who posts a CT of any sort and for me personally this forum is being ruined by that carry-on.

Bullying might be deemed as too strong a word to use but I'm lost for any other explanation as to determine how I see it from a small minority (mostly 3 people with one in particular being the most contentious) who seem to constantly attack posts and posters with unconstructive, flippant and at times ignorant and intelligently worded but ultimately abusive comments.

For me this forum at the moment is an un-friendly and un-enjoyable place to participate in and it seems at times it's become nothing more than a "take the piss out of the nutter conspiracy theorist" at every single opportunity.

I don't doubt for one second how frustrating and time consuming it must be at times to moderate this forum so please don't take this as an attack on your moderation, as it's not meant in that way and I envy your ability at times to maintain some kind of order.

However, at times the almost insistance on requests for proof in regards a conspiracy theory I find are also rediculous as a conspiracy theory in itself would normally hold very little hard evidence, as otherwise it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory at all and would more likely be factual news/information based on such hard proven evidence.

namloc1980

Nehaxak wrote: »

I'm a sceptic on an awful lot of things but I enjoy (or at least used too anyway) reading conspiracy theories and the writings/ramblings of others just as an alternative bit of news/discussion to everything else out there (as much as I enjoy reading sceptical constructive debate for that matter).

Although I wouldn't put myself now on either side of the fence in this forum, from a nobody just looking in and who used to enjoy reading stuff on here, to me it seems there's just an intentional and incessant amount of bullying going on toward it seems anyone who posts a CT of any sort and for me personally this forum is being ruined by that carry-on.

Bullying might be deemed as too strong a word to use but I'm lost for any other explanation as to determine how I see it from a small minority (mostly 3 people with one in particular being the most contentious) who seem to constantly attack posts and posters with unconstructive, flippant and at times ignorant and intelligently worded but ultimately abusive comments.

For me this forum at the moment is an un-friendly and un-enjoyable place to participate in and it seems at times it's become nothing more than a "take the piss out of the nutter conspiracy theorist" at every single opportunity.

I don't doubt for one second how frustrating and time consuming it must be at times to moderate this forum so please don't take this as an attack on your moderation, as it's not meant in that way and I envy your ability at times to maintain some kind of order.

However, at times the almost insistance on requests for proof in regards a conspiracy theory I find are also rediculous as a conspiracy theory in itself would normally hold very little hard evidence, as otherwise it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory at all and would more likely be factual news/information based on such hard proven evidence.

I can see where you are coming from but in fairness what you described here works both ways. Alot of the time when someone picks a hole in a CT they are treated to a barrage of "sheeple" and other derogatory comments as regards their intelligence and being unable to think for themselves from the CT supporters.

Not sure what can be done really other than excluding anyone who is a skeptic from the forum so all the CT supporters can talk about their theories, but I would imagine that the forum would die a death within weeks if that was the case....no debate = no discussion forum.

I think the forum should be relaunched with a "Fair Play" sort of theme (or maybe make it like the soccer forum - you need to be approved by a mod before you can post and if you don't play nice out you go again). Give everyone respect no matter what side of the debate they are on and even if their point of view seems totally off the wall, no "sheeple" or "nutter" type comments.

As for "evidence" I think it is important that we don't let the forum fall into the trap of "...well I can post whatever the heck I want without any basis whatsoever...". If something is being claimed as fact by either side then it is reasonable that if someone asks for proof or evidence to back it up, some sort of evidence is provided or the poster states clearly that they have no evidence but it is their personal opinion/belief.

BTW the use of the term "sheeple" should draw an immediate ban!! That term really gets my "goat" up!! :pac:

bonkey

The problem is one of balance.

We're not willing to take a stance which says "we'll kick out every poster who gets riled up" because we'd end up with an empty forum.
We're not willing to take a stance which says "you can't ask for evidence or reasoning", because then either side could (and someone almost certainly would) make the most ridiculous claims, and then insist we ban people for calling them on it.
We're not willing to take any stance which is targetted only at people supporting conspiracy theories, or at people questioning them.

We don't have the balance right...but you know what...very few posters here have the balance right either.

We're about to get new mods. Who knows...maybe we will re-invent the forum.

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

I can see where you are coming from but in fairness what you described here works both ways. Alot of the time when someone picks a hole in a CT they are treated to a barrage of "sheeple" and other derogatory comments as regards their intelligence and being unable to think for themselves from the CT supporters.

Sheeple is a general term for people who are not aware or awake of the reality they dont yet see. i Don't think anyone called anyone personally a sheep on here. I think your trying to play the victim. I've certainly called no one names or hurled abuse at anyone. I've always sat middle ground, stuck to my views and let the other huff and puff about it. The moderators are doing a good job on calling up on reported posts. But there are people who are coming on here saying the most degrading abusive language on here for no reason. it's not just skeptics it's people who do behave inppropriately because as I've said, they are people who are not willing to respect other peoples viewpoints or perception on things. Thats why people back up and become frustrated. It's this reason I feel many C.Ts may lash out. In the past i overeacted a little and left me getting infractions and bans. Some I did not agree with. But i've come to the conclusion that I have to be self responsible and be more aware how I self project onto others. If everyone did that this forum would be a lot better place to run. Right now your getting the opposite. I have to say the petty part comes into play when the skeptics put
all their energy in trying desparately to put skepticism on everything and prove the curious minds wrong. Life is not about proving the other wrong. It's about you learning from your own mistakes and examples to push you to further opportunities. Let others make their mistakes and learn from them.


I've got several pms of late by mainly C.T type people who use this forum, now back away because they are been put into a corner and the some hardcore skeptics will do anything to ridicule them because they come a self righteous stance. This is not what this forum is about.

Not sure what can be done really other than excluding anyone who is a skeptic from the forum so all the CT supporters can talk about their theories, but I would imagine that the forum would die a death within weeks if that was the case....no debate = no discussion forum.

There is a skeptic forum, just so you know. You wont find C.Ts there, because they will be silenced there. This is a conspiracy forum and it's supposed to be C.T orientated. But I'm willing to have it split 50/50. in the interest of fairness.

I think the forum should be relaunched with a "Fair Play" sort of theme (or maybe make it like the soccer forum - you need to be approved by a mod before you can post and if you don't play nice out you go again). Give everyone respect no matter what side of the debate they are on and even if their point of view seems totally off the wall, no "sheeple" or "nutter" type comments.

No that balony is not going to change anything. People need to learn the rules and respect the charter and also learn not to dish abuse at C.Ts. Your on a C.Theory forum, if you don't like these theories you don't have to read them. This forum is probably the most open minded forum you can get. Of course some theories are out there and wacky. But again I have to say this is the format of any C.T type forum whether you like it or not. It's about self responsilbility. To be quite honest, this is not really C.T orientated because its a comfort net for skeptics not C.Ts. The evidence is in my inbox. I've 15 unhappy bunnies expressing the direction in the way this forum is heading.

As for "evidence" I think it is important that we don't let the forum fall into the trap of "...well I can post whatever the heck I want without any basis whatsoever...". If something is being claimed as fact by either side then it is reasonable that if someone asks for proof or evidence to back it up, some sort of evidence is provided or the poster states clearly that they have no evidence but it is their personal opinion/belief.

But again................. I'll point out. This is not a skeptic forum. If you want to look for evidence your best bet is to look up google, read books and do your own research. This is a theory and discussion based forum. Where many people in society to turn to Conspiracy theories because they do not trust the official mainstream view of life and society. For example Iraq W.M.Ds. In the beginning skeptics were not willing to accept that this war was illegal. It took only till last year for the majority of the world to accept this was a disspicable horrifying criminal act. But you see the governments hide evidence all around us. That is why the whole notion Conspriacy theory came up. A lot of Conspiracy theorists give a lot of evidence for their claims. You just might not accept that or maybe it's just conflicting with your personal beliefs on reality. This forum should be about balance and flow. It's the window for all the weird and whacky to rest their waters at shore.

If you don't like this format, there are other forums.

Diogenes

mysterious wrote: »

I've got several pms of late by mainly C.T type people who use this forum, now back away because they are been put into a corner and the some hardcore skeptics will do anything to ridicule them because they come a self righteous stance. This is not what this forum is about.

I've lost count of the number of people who've made this argument, "loads of people agree with me, they're just afraid to voice this". Dude it's anonymous internet forum, I don't buy that crap.

If you don't like this format, there are other forums.

Well don't let the door hit you on your way out.

mysterious

Diogenes wrote: »

I've lost count of the number of people who've made this argument, "loads of people agree with me, they're just afraid to voice this". Dude it's anonymous internet forum, I don't buy that crap.




Well don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Are you aware of your own tone? Believe what you want Diogenes, seriously, if your going to get this pissed about it.


I can count at least 10 names off hand who used to come here don't come here anymore. They all have spoken out, but were not heard. Or they gave up. The current format has become off balanced. I personally don't want to see this trend to continue. It's my own personal perspective Diogenes..... You don't have to agree with me on that.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

Sheeple is a general term for people who are not aware or awake of the reality they dont yet see. i Don't think anyone called anyone personally a sheep on here. I think your trying to play the victim. I've certainly called no one names or hurled abuse at anyone. I've always sat middle ground, stuck to my views and let the other huff and puff about it. The moderators are doing a good job on calling up on reported posts. But there are people who are coming on here saying the most degrading abusive language on here for no reason. it's not just skeptics it's people who do behave inppropriately because as I've said, they are people who are not willing to respect other peoples viewpoints or perception on things. Thats why people back up and become frustrated. It's this reason I feel many C.Ts may lash out. In the past i overeacted a little and left me getting infractions and bans. Some I did not agree with. But i've come to the conclusion that I have to be self responsible and be more aware how I self project onto others. If everyone did that this forum would be a lot better place to run. Right now your getting the opposite. I have to say the petty part comes into play when the skeptics put
all their energy in trying desparately to put skepticism on everything and prove the curious minds wrong. Life is not about proving the other wrong. It's about you learning from your own mistakes and examples to push you to further opportunities. Let others make their mistakes and learn from them.


I've got several pms of late by mainly C.T type people who use this forum, now back away because they are been put into a corner and the some hardcore skeptics will do anything to ridicule them because they come a self righteous stance. This is not what this forum is about.



There is a skeptic forum, just so you know. You wont find C.Ts there, because they will be silenced there. This is a conspiracy forum and it's supposed to be C.T orientated. But I'm willing to have it split 50/50. in the interest of fairness.




No that balony is not going to change anything. People need to learn the rules and respect the charter and also learn not to dish abuse at C.Ts. Your on a C.Theory forum, if you don't like these theories you don't have to read them. This forum is probably the most open minded forum you can get. Of course some theories are out there and wacky. But again I have to say this is the format of any C.T type forum whether you like it or not. It's about self responsilbility. To be quite honest, this is not really C.T orientated because its a comfort net for skeptics not C.Ts. The evidence is in my inbox. I've 15 unhappy bunnies expressing the direction in the way this forum is heading.




But again................. I'll point out. This is not a skeptic forum. If you want to look for evidence your best bet is to look up google, read books and do your own research. This is a theory and discussion based forum. Where many people in society to turn to Conspiracy theories because they do not trust the official mainstream view of life and society. For example Iraq W.M.Ds. In the beginning skeptics were not willing to accept that this war was illegal. It took only till last year for the majority of the world to accept this was a disspicable horrifying criminal act. But you see the governments hide evidence all around us. That is why the whole notion Conspriacy theory came up. A lot of Conspiracy theorists give a lot of evidence for their claims. You just might not accept that or maybe it's just conflicting with your personal beliefs on reality. This forum should be about balance and flow. It's the window for all the weird and whacky to rest their waters at shore.

If you don't like this format, there are other forums.

Oh dear....looks like there is a long way to go here. You do realise that so called 'skeptics' are entitled to their points of view as well don't you?? You talk about CT lashing out and getting frustrated....it works both ways I'm afraid. But if you and the other CTers want the forum to yourselves and eliminate debate (something that mainstream media/governments are always accused of) then you should discuss this with the mods.

You condone the use of the word 'sheeple' but in the same vein you don't like that CTers might be called 'nutters' or the like. Double standards there me thinks.

BTW I don't know anyone who thought the Iraq War was at anytime being fought on anything other than the dodgiest of basis. Bad example I'm afraid.

Diogenes

mysterious wrote: »

Are you aware of your own tone? Believe what you want Diogenes, seriously, if your going to get this pissed about it.


I can count at least 10 names off hand who used to come here don't come here anymore. They all have spoken out, but were not heard. Or they gave up. The current format has become off balanced. I personally don't want to see this trend to continue. It's my own personal perspective Diogenes..... You don't have to agree with me on that.

Its not you're claiming you speak for a silent majority....

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

I've lost count of the number of people who've made this argument, "loads of people agree with me, they're just afraid to voice this". Dude it's anonymous internet forum, I don't buy that crap.

Well don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Why must you constantly be so abrasive?

Mahatma coat

Diogenes wrote:

I've lost count of the number of people who've made this argument, "loads of people agree with me, they're just afraid to voice this". Dude it's anonymous internet forum, I don't buy that crap.

Heres the thing tho, while a lot of us disagree with wht Mysterious says about a lot of things, he was right in that statement, you see there is another part to it, because you and Mob and the rest of the 'Skeptics' are so militantly anti CT a lot of people that would like to post here simply dont, because most of us would like to debate and discuss things in an environment condusive to a CT POV, I implore you to STOP, cant you see that you are killing the Forum, cant you see that most people dont view you as a great bastion of logic battling the forces of misinformation, I wont say how you are viewed by most as that might hurt your feelings.


So yeah

you wrote:

Well don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I wont say how you are viewed by most as that might hurt your feelings.

Mahatma; During your mercifully brief and inauspicious tenure as Mod, did you ever even bother to read the charter?

• Respect other posters

Snide remarks and bitching will not be tolerated, nor will accusations thrown at other members of the Boards.ie community. Singling out a poster or posters, including stating things like "some posters on here" could land you in trouble.

Mahatma coat

I'm not particularly singling you out as responding to a series of Posts on a similar theme, if you dont want people to respond to you then you shouldn't post.

do you have a different take on what is being said here?? or is it just another feigned slighting so you can throw a few digs.

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I'm not particularly singling you out

Er

Mahatma Coat wrote:

I wont say how you are viewed by most as that might hurt your feelings.

You clearly are "singling" me out.

as responding to a series of Posts on a similar theme, if you dont want people to respond to you then you shouldn't post.

No I just expect people to adhere to the charter.

Mahatma coat

OK I didnt particularly think I was being offensive there, You should have read what I wanted to write, how about the rest of the post, care to respond to that?

and whils're on the topic of gettin stickly about rules

******** wrote:

Mahatma; During your mercifully brief and inauspicious tenure as Mod

ah yes the respect other posters rule, the not singling people out for abuse thing,


this is different because???

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK I didnt particularly think I was being offensive there, You should have read what I wanted to write, how about the rest of the post, care to respond to that?

What is your point? "Stop being mean and go away?"

and whils're on the topic of gettin stickly about rules



ah yes the respect other posters rule, the not singling people out for abuse thing,


this is different because???

It's different because it happens to be true.

Mahatma coat

Mean works as a word, wouldn't have been my first choice, but yeah

Stop Being 'MEAN' & Go away, Please.

6th

Mahatma coat banned for 6 months for personal abuse. It makes no difference if you delete the post and try to hide it.

Anymore bitching and arguing in this thread and others will be taking a similar break from the forum.

bonkey

Diogenes wrote: »

You clearly are "singling" me out.
...
No I just expect people to adhere to the charter.

Considering your little tete-a-tete with MC was kicked off by you singling out Kernel for some comments in breach of the very same piece of the charter, this is a bit rich.