Gordon Brown US Congress Speech

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Just thought people would like to discuss the Gordon Brown US Congress Speech. I've highlighted parts which are of interest to those who believe in a NWO agenda being played out. Otherwise it is reproduced in it's entirety.

Gordon Brown wrote:

With faith in the future, We can build tomorrow today.

Madam Speaker, Mr Vice-President, distinguished members of Congress, I come to this great capital of this great nation, an America renewed under a new President to say that America's faith in the future has been, is and always will be an inspiration to the whole world.

The very creation of America was a bold affirmation of faith in the future: a future you have not just believed in but built with your own hands.

And on January 20th, you the American people began to write the latest chapter in the American story, with a transition of dignity, in which both sides of the aisle could take great pride. President Obama gave the world renewed hope, and on that day billions of people truly looked to Washington D.C as "a shining city upon a hill".

And I hope that you will allow me to single out for special mention today one of your most distinguished Senators, known in every continent and a great friend. Northern Ireland is today at peace, more Americans have health care, more children around the world are going to school, and for all those things we owe a great debt to the life and courage of, Senator Edward Kennedy.

And so today, having talked to him last night, I want to announce that Her Majesty The Queen, has awarded an honorary Knighthood for Sir Edward Kennedy.

Madam Speaker, Mr Vice-President, I come in friendship to renew, for new times, our special relationship founded upon our shared history, our shared values and, I believe, our shared futures.

I grew up in the 1960s as America, led by President Kennedy, looked to the heavens and saw not the endless void of the unknown, but a new frontier to dare to discover and explore. People said it couldn't be done - but America did it.

And 20 years later, in the 1980's, America led by President Reagan refused to accept the fate of millions trapped behind an Iron Curtain, and insisted instead that the people of Eastern Europe be allowed to join the ranks of nations which live safe, strong and free. People said it would never happen in our lifetime but it did, and the Berlin Wall was torn down brick by brick.

So early in my life I came to understand that America is not just the indispensible nation, it is the irrepressible nation.

Throughout your history Americans have led insurrections in the human imagination, have summoned revolutionary times through your belief that there is no such thing as an impossible endeavour. It is never possible to come here without having your faith in the future renewed.

Throughout a whole century the American people stood liberty's ground not just in one world war but in two.

And I want you to know that we will never forget the sacrifice and service of the American soldiers who gave their lives for people whose names they never knew, and whose faces they never saw, and yet people who have lived in freedom thanks to the bravery and valour of the Americans who gave the "last full measure of devotion".

Cemetery after cemetery across Europe honours the memory of American soldiers, resting row upon row - often alongside comrades-in-arms from Britain. There is no battlefield of liberty on which there is not a piece of land that is marked out as American and there is no day of remembrance in Britain that is not also a commemoration of American courage and sacrifice far from home.

In the hardest days of the last century, faith in the future kept America alive and I tell you that America kept faith in the future alive for all the world.

Almost every family in Britain has a tie that binds them to America. So I want you to know that whenever a young American soldier or marine, sailor or airman is killed in conflict anywhere in the world, we, the people of Britain, grieve with you. Know that your loss is our loss; your families' sorrow is our families' sorrow and your nation's determination is our nation's determination that they shall not have died in vain.

And let me pay tribute to the soldiers, yours and ours, who again fight side by side in the plains of Afghanistan and the streets of Iraq, just as their forefathers fought side by side in the sands of Tunisia, on the beaches of Normandy and then on the bridges over the Rhine.

And after that terrible September morning when your homeland was attacked, the Coldstream Guards at Buckingham Palace played the Star Spangled Banner. Our own British tribute as we wept for our friends in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And let me promise you our continued support to ensure there is no hiding place for terrorists, no safe haven for terrorism. You should be proud that in the hard years since 2001 you have shown that while terrorists may destroy buildings and even, tragically, lives, they have not, and will not ever, destroy the American spirit.

So let it be said of the friendship between our two countries; that it is in times of trial - true, in the face of fear - faithful and amidst the storms of change - constant.

And let it be said of our friendship - formed and forged over two tumultuous centuries, a friendship tested in war and strengthened in peace - that it has not just endured but is renewed in each generation to better serve our shared values and fulfil the hopes and dreams of the day. Not an alliance of convenience, but a partnership of purpose.

Alliances can wither or be destroyed, but partnerships of purpose are indestructible. Friendships can be shaken, but our friendship is unshakeable. Treaties can be broken but our partnership is unbreakable. And I know there is no power on earth than can drive us apart.

We will work tirelessly with you as partners for peace in the Middle East: for a two state solution that provides for nothing less than a secure Israel safe within its borders existing side by side with a viable Palestinian state.

And our shared message to Iran is simple - we are ready for you to rejoin the world community. But first, you must cease your threats and suspend your nuclear programme. And we will work tirelessly with all those in the international community who are ready to reduce the threat of nuclear proliferation.

Past British Prime Ministers have travelled to this Capitol building in times of war to talk of war. I come now to talk of new and different battles we must fight together; to speak of a global economy in crisis and a planet imperilled.

These are new priorities for our new times.

And let us be honest - tonight too many parents, after they put their children to bed, will speak of their worries about losing their jobs or the need to sell the house. Too many will share stories of friends or neighbours already packing up their homes, and too many will talk of a local store or business that has already gone to the wall.

For me, this global recession is not to be measured just in statistics, or in graphs or in figures on a balance sheet. Instead I see one individual with their own aspirations and increasingly their own apprehensions, and then another, and then another.

Each with their own stars to reach for.

Each part of a family, each at the heart of a community now in need of help and hope.

And when banks have failed and markets have faltered, we the representatives of the people have to be the people's last line of defence.

And that's why there is no financial orthodoxy so entrenched, no conventional thinking so engrained, no special interest so strong that it should ever stand in the way of the change that hard-working families need.

We have learned through this world downturn that markets should be free but never values-free, that the risks people take should never be separated from the responsibilities they meet.

And if perhaps some once thought it beyond our power to shape global markets to meet the needs of people, we know now that is our duty; we cannot and must not stand aside.

In our families and workplaces and places of worship, we celebrate men and women of integrity who work hard, treat people fairly, take responsibility and look out for others.

If these are the principles we live by in our families and neighbourhoods, they should also be the principles that guide and govern our economic life too.

In these days the world has learned that what makes for the good economy makes for the good society.

My father was a Minister of the church and I have learned again what I was taught by him: that wealth must help more than the wealthy, good fortune must serve more than the fortunate and riches must enrich not just some of us but all.

And these enduring values are the values we need for these new times.

We tend to think of the sweep of destiny as stretching across many months and years before culminating in decisive moments we call history.

But sometimes the reality is that defining moments of history come suddenly and without warning. And the task of leadership then is to define them, shape them and move forward into the new world they demand.

An economic hurricane has swept the world, creating a crisis of credit and of confidence.

History has brought us now to a point where change is essential. We are summoned not just to manage our times but to transform them.

Our task is to rebuild prosperity and security in a wholly different economic world, where competition is no longer local but global and banks are no longer just national but international.

And we need to understand what went wrong in this crisis, that the very financial instruments that were designed to diversify risk across the banking system instead spread contagion across the globe. And today's financial institutions are so interwoven that a bad bank anywhere is a threat to good banks everywhere.

So should we succumb to a race to the bottom and a protectionism that history tells us that, in the end, protects no-one? No. We should have the confidence that we can seize the opportunities ahead and make the future work for us.

Why?

Because while today people are anxious and feel insecure, over the next two decades literally billions of people in other continents will move from being simply producers of their goods to being consumers of our goods and in this way our world economy will double in size.

Twice as many opportunities for business, twice as much prosperity, and the biggest expansion of middle class incomes and jobs the world has ever seen.

And America and Britain will succeed and lead if we tap into the talents of our people, unleash the genius of our scientists and set free the drive of our entrepreneurs. We will win the race to the top if we can develop the new high value products and services and the new green technologies that the rising numbers of hard-working families across our globe will want to buy.

So we must educate our way out of the downturn, invest and invent our way out of the downturn and re-tool and re-skill our way out of the downturn.

And this is not blind optimism or synthetic confidence to console people; it is the practical affirmation for our times of our faith in a better future.

Every time we rebuild a school we demonstrate our faith in the future. Every time we send more young people to university, every time we invest more in our new digital infrastructure, every time we increase support to our scientists, we demonstrate our faith in the future.

And so I say to this Congress and this country, something that runs deep in your character and is woven in your history, we conquer our fear of the future through our faith in the future.

And it is this faith in the future that means we must commit to protecting the planet for generations that will come long after us.

As the Greek proverb says, why does anybody plant the seeds of a tree whose shade they will never see?

The answer is because they look to the future.

And I believe that you, the nation that had the vision to put a man on the moon, are also the nation with the vision to protect and preserve our planet earth.

And it is only by investing in environmental technology that we can end the dictatorship of oil, and it is only by tackling climate change that we create the millions of new green jobs we need.

For the lesson of this crisis is that we cannot just wait for tomorrow today. We cannot just think of tomorrow today. We cannot merely plan for tomorrow today. Our task must be to build tomorrow today.

And America knows from its history that its reach goes far beyond its geography. For a century you have carried upon your shoulders the greatest of responsibilities: to work with and for the rest of the world. And let me tell you that now more than ever the rest of the world wants to work with you.

And if these times have shown us anything it is that the major challenges we all face are global. No matter where it starts, an economic crisis does not stop at the water's edge. It ripples across the world. Climate change does not honour passport control. Terrorism has no respect for borders. And modern communications instantly span every continent. The new frontier is that there is no frontier, the new shared truth is that global problems need global solutions.

And let me say that you now have the most pro-American European leadership in living memory. A leadership that wants to cooperate more closely together, in order to cooperate more closely with you. There is no old Europe, no new Europe, there is only your friend Europe.

So once again I say we should seize the moment - because never before have I seen a world so willing to come together. Never before has that been more needed. And never before have the benefits of cooperation been so far-reaching.

So when people here and in other countries ask what more can we do now to bring an end to this downturn, let me say this: we can achieve more working together. And just think of what we can do if we combine not just in a partnership for security but in a new partnership for prosperity too.

On jobs, you the American people through your stimulus proposals could create or save at least 3 million jobs. We in Britain are acting with similar determination. How much nearer an end to this downturn would we be if the whole of the world resolved to do the same?

And you are also restructuring your banks. So are we. But how much safer would everybody's savings be if the whole world finally came together to outlaw shadow banking systems and offshore tax havens?

Just think how each of our actions, if combined, could mean a whole, much greater than the sum of the parts

- all and not just some banks stabilised

- on fiscal stimulus: the impact multiplied because everybody does it

- rising demand in all our countries creating jobs in each of our countries

- and trade once again the engine of prosperity, the wealth of nations restored.

who over half a century ago, coming out of the deepest of depressions and the worst of wars, produced the boldest of plans for global economic cooperation because they recognised prosperity was indivisible and concluded that to be sustained it had to be shared.

And I believe that ours too is a time for renewal, for a plan for tackling recession and building for the future. Every continent playing their part in a global new deal, a plan for prosperity that can benefit us all.

First, so that the whole of the worldwide banking system serves our prosperity rather than risks it, let us agree rules and standards for accountability, transparency, and reward that will mean an end to the excesses and will apply to every bank, everywhere, and all the time.

Second, America and a few countries cannot be expected to bear the burden of the fiscal and interest rate stimulus alone. We must share it globally. So let us work together for the worldwide reduction of interest rates and a scale of stimulus round the world equal to the depth of the recession and the dimensions of the recovery we must make.

Third, let us together renew our international economic cooperation, helping the emerging markets rebuild their banks. And let us work together for a low carbon recovery worldwide. And I am confident that this President, this Congress and the peoples of the world can come together in Copenhagen this December to reach a historic agreement on climate change.

And let us not forget the poorest. As we strive to spread the values of peace, political liberty, and the hope for better lives across the world, perhaps the greatest gift our generation could give to the future, the gift of America and Britain to the world could be, for every child in every country of the world, the chance millions do not have today; the chance to go to school.

For let us remember there is a common bond that unites us as human beings across different beliefs, cultures and nationalities. It is at the core of my convictions, the essence of America's spirit and the heart of all faiths.

And it must be at the centre of our response to the crisis of today. At their best, our values tell us that we cannot be wholly content while others go without, cannot be fully comfortable while millions go without comfort, cannot be truly happy while others grieve alone.

And this too is true. All of us know that in a recession the wealthiest, the most powerful and the most privileged can find a way through for themselves.

So we do not value the wealthy less when we say that our first duty is to help the not so wealthy. We do not value the powerful less when we say that our first responsibility is to help the powerless. And we do not value those who are secure less when we say that our first priority must be to help the insecure.

These recent events have forced us all to think anew. And while I have learnt many things, I keep returning to something I first learned in my father's church as a child. In this most modern of crises I am drawn to the most ancient of truths; wherever there is hardship, wherever there is suffering, we cannot, we will not, pass by on the other side.

But working together there is no challenge to which we are not equal, no obstacle that we cannot overcome, no aspiration so high that it cannot be achieved.

In the depths of the Depression, when Franklin Roosevelt did battle with fear itself, it was not simply by the power of his words, his personality and his example that he triumphed.

Yes, all these things mattered. But what mattered more was this enduring truth: that you, the American people, at your core, were, as you remain, every bit as optimistic as your Roosevelts, your Reagans and your Obamas.

This is the faith in the future that has always been the story and promise of America. So at this defining moment in history let us renew our special relationship for our generation and our times. Let us restore prosperity and protect this planet and, with faith in the future, let us together build tomorrow today.

Well folks, quite lengthy, but quite a lot to analyse. All emphasis was my own. Of interest to this forum would be the globalist undertones (overtones?), environmentalism, banking restructuring, Middle-East. Brown also refers to faith quite a lot, and twice mentions his father's roots as a clergyman - perhaps pandering to the US bible belt. What do you think of it all?

Veni Vedi Vici

Great post. The economic globalism is quite apparent

mysterious

funny that USA and the UK are the frontrunners and creators of this global depression, even at that, they couldn't get enough wars going.

They then give a solution.

This smell pooy! Geeee.


We don't study rocket science. Why is the elite becoming really obvious in their behaviour. It's like they are trying to fool us. The elite and bankers are the ones that create the problem. Then they give a solution to the problem. It's all about the control

I find it funny that they are trying to create a NWO. Its going to be successful as someone getting pie in the face at this stage:D

NWO this NWO this new shared dream this, a new chance for this a new America a new change.

My pee hole is this actual for the good of we the people.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

funny that USA and the UK are the frontrunners and creators of this global depression, even at that, they couldn't get enough wars going.

OK, How is changing Govt. conducive to a NWO?

The US Govt. has changed, the Tories will be in power in the UK?

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

OK, How is changing Govt. conducive to a NWO?

The US Govt. has changed, the Tories will be in power in the UK?

Changing government?
Bangs head off the wall. Did you actually pose this as a question.

Before I pop the fireworks.

Do you actually think Obama in government means change? Seriously I needto ask, because if you don't know the answer to this question.

i'm afraid I will not tell you anything. As the old saying goes, sometimes its best to say nothing at all in times like this.

Am shocked really.

Veni Vedi Vici

mysterious wrote: »

Changing government?
Bangs head off the wall. Did you actually pose this as a question.

Before I pop the fireworks.

Do you actually think Obama in government means change? Seriously I needto ask, because if you don't know the answer to this question.

*VVV sedates mysterious with Vulcan neck pinch *

:P

mysterious

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

*VVV sedates mysterious with Vulcan neck pinch *

:P

WTF does is this?

6th

K-9 wrote: »

OK, How is changing Govt. conducive to a NWO?

The US Govt. has changed, the Tories will be in power in the UK?

mysterious wrote: »

Changing government?
Bangs head off the wall. Did you actually pose this as a question.

Before I pop the fireworks.

Do you actually think Obama in government means change? Seriously I needto ask, because if you don't know the answer to this question.

i'm afraid I will not tell you anything. As the old saying goes, sometimes its best to say nothing at all in times like this.

Am shocked really.

Mysterious, obviously changes have been made in the US governmant. Maybe not "real changes" as you would see them but I think what K-9 wants to know is how would the changes that have been made be conducive to a NWO?

You know its easier to understand you when you dont add in all the dramatics.

humanji

TBH, the speech just reeks of Brown pandering to as many different types of people in the states as possible. Typical political speech in that he mentions a lot and says very little.

I found it funny how much he mentions the future, in particular the phrase "faith in the future". But when you think of it, the present is fairly f*cked so we can only have hope in the future being better. It's the kind of thing you always find when people give speeches to the States. They never seem to use the same hopeful rhetoric when talking to their own country (probably because their own people know they're lying scumbags! ).

mysterious

6th wrote: »

Mysterious, obviously changes have been made in the US governmant. Maybe not "real changes" as you would see them but I think what K-9 wants to know is how would the changes that have been made be conducive to a NWO?

You know its easier to understand you when you dont add in all the dramatics.

Yes the changes that were made is a follow on for the NWO agenda. The change of government is also a change for the follow on of the NWO. The Change of Bush to Obama, is the change, for the deception. But the agenda remains the same

It's the same bankers, same ruling families, same foriegn policy, same **** and same crap I hear all the time. The Rothschild family didn't go anywhere. The media haven't changed their tone, behaviour, manipulation, breainwashing and the drumming of fear.

Infact on Inauguration day, what Obama said, was no different to what Clinton or Bush said. It was the same crap you hear about god bless America, America is the best, we will build roads and bridges and we will defeat our enemies, we are strong, we are the change.

Every inauguration screams this bull.
People are led to think there is change. But the same folks still run the show, whether it's Obama, penny funny pun young, or Bush

It annoys the poo out of me, its this retarded. The only change happened was a new president that was it. Obama is a about as powerful as my mobile phone charger.

K-9 posed the question, that because of the change government, the so the same agenda would not follow through. That is why I was so shocked to hear such notions.


If anyone says Obama is a peoples president one more time, I will actually eat my arms

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

OK, How is changing Govt. conducive to a NWO?

The US Govt. has changed, the Tories will be in power in the UK?

Power is always inherited.

Public figures change power. But the ruling and height of power always remains the same. Unless Rome(meaning America) of course actually falls this time.

The Rothschild, the Kennedy, the jewish zionists and other various powerufl ruling families in America don't just go boogey boogey away into the night for all eternity, just because Obama appears on the scene


Democrats and Republicans on top end of scale are ruled by the same people. The money makers. They decide who runs. Its two sides of the same coin. But still of the same coin.

Somehow I don't think your ready for this info.:D

mysterious

humanji wrote: »

TBH, the speech just reeks of Brown pandering to as many different types of people in the states as possible. Typical political speech in that he mentions a lot and says very little.

I found it funny how much he mentions the future, in particular the phrase "faith in the future". But when you think of it, the present is fairly f*cked so we can only have hope in the future being better. It's the kind of thing you always find when people give speeches to the States. They never seem to use the same hopeful rhetoric when talking to their own country (probably because their own people know they're lying scumbags! ).

For the first time I have to bow down to that paragraph.

Finally people are realising the bull.
You also have to remember it's the UK, and the USof A that created the majority of the unstablity, and dare I say it, shake the global markets,

In order to give this NWO a step ahead. UK and the USA have always had the same agendas. This proves that Browne and Obama are every much as puppets at Blair and Bush was.

Some people think because these public figures change. That all of a sudden all these plans are now scrapped:D

Brown just proved he can sh!t as much bull as Blair could. Obama is proving to be following the foriegne policy of Bush. Although one exception, he has to tone down. The sheeple of America are beginning to wake up. The elites wouldnt want to step to far out of line All the reasons why Obama is in. geeeeee

6th

mysterious wrote: »

This proves that Browne and Obama are every much as puppets at Blair and Bush was.

It proves no such thing. It can lead you to believe but you really need to look up the meaning of the word proof.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

Changing government?
Bangs head off the wall. Did you actually pose this as a question.

Before I pop the fireworks.

Do you actually think Obama in government means change? Seriously I needto ask, because if you don't know the answer to this question.

i'm afraid I will not tell you anything. As the old saying goes, sometimes its best to say nothing at all in times like this.

Am shocked really.

6th wrote: »

Mysterious, obviously changes have been made in the US governmant. Maybe not "real changes" as you would see them but I think what K-9 wants to know is how would the changes that have been made be conducive to a NWO?

You know its easier to understand you when you dont add in all the dramatics.

Indeed, it does make it easier to reply and not get lost in the dramatics!

humanji wrote: »

TBH, the speech just reeks of Brown pandering to as many different types of people in the states as possible. Typical political speech in that he mentions a lot and says very little.

I found it funny how much he mentions the future, in particular the phrase "faith in the future". But when you think of it, the present is fairly f*cked so we can only have hope in the future being better. It's the kind of thing you always find when people give speeches to the States. They never seem to use the same hopeful rhetoric when talking to their own country (probably because their own people know they're lying scumbags! ).

The photographs from their meeting tells more than any speech. The body language from Brown is hilarious.

mysterious wrote: »

Yes the changes that were made is a follow on for the NWO agenda. The change of government is also a change for the follow on of the NWO. The Change of Bush to Obama, is the change, for the deception. But the agenda remains the same

It's the same bankers, same ruling families, same foriegn policy, same **** and same crap I hear all the time. The Rothschild family didn't go anywhere. The media haven't changed their tone, behaviour, manipulation, breainwashing and the drumming of fear.

Infact on Inauguration day, what Obama said, was no different to what Clinton or Bush said. It was the same crap you hear about god bless America, America is the best, we will build roads and bridges and we will defeat our enemies, we are strong, we are the change.

Every inauguration screams this bull.
People are led to think there is change. But the same folks still run the show, whether it's Obama, penny funny pun young, or Bush

It annoys the poo out of me, its this retarded. The only change happened was a new president that was it. Obama is a about as powerful as my mobile phone charger.

K-9 posed the question, that because of the change government, the so the same agenda would not follow through. That is why I was so shocked to hear such notions.


If anyone says Obama is a peoples president one more time, I will actually eat my arms

Foreign policy hasn't changed. I'm surprised at some who think it will.

Politicians giving empty speeches! Shock Horror!

Presidents can only do so much. I do think Obama has good intentions, particularly on Health because they have a 3rd World Health system, but the vested interests he is up against are huge. He has to capitalise on the goodwill he has now, before people lose faith. In that respect he has some power.

mysterious wrote: »

Power is always inherited.

Public figures change power. But the ruling and height of power always remains the same. Unless Rome(meaning America) of course actually falls this time.

The Rothschild, the Kennedy, the jewish zionists and other various powerufl ruling families in America don't just go boogey boogey away into the night for all eternity, just because Obama appears on the scene


Democrats and Republicans on top end of scale are ruled by the same people. The money makers. They decide who runs. Its two sides of the same coin. But still of the same coin.

Somehow I don't think your ready for this info.:D

All very interesting, so we're fecked really.

mysterious wrote: »

For the first time I have to bow down to that paragraph.

Finally people are realising the bull.
You also have to remember it's the UK, and the USof A that created the majority of the unstablity, and dare I say it, shake the global markets,

In order to give this NWO a step ahead. UK and the USA have always had the same agendas. This proves that Browne and Obama are every much as puppets at Blair and Bush was.

Some people think because these public figures change. That all of a sudden all these plans are now scrapped:D

Grand.

mysterious wrote:

Brown just proved he can sh!t as much bull as Blair could. Obama is proving to be following the foriegne policy of Bush. Although one exception, he has to tone down. The sheeple of America are beginning to wake up. The elites wouldnt want to step to far out of line All the reasons why Obama is in. geeeeee

You've lost me now. I thought the "sheeple" have no power or no alternatives?

Veni Vedi Vici

mysterious wrote: »

WTF does is this?

This is WTF does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_nerve_pinch



It's used to calm people down or in your case prevent you from banging your head of the wall any further. :pac:

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

All very interesting, so we're fecked really.

No not quite. Your only fecked if your not aware or informed.
Once your aware, they can't control you.

The depression has started, it happened before. The elite were sucessful and the sheeple starved.,.

This time, Its changing, people are beginning to realise how it happens and why its happening again. In saying this it means your now aware of this reality.

Now you can decide to change this.
We the sheeple are panicking
But so are they.

You know this by reation. We react, lose power. They react and they will lose power. It never quite happend like this before. My feeling is, This is going to be good prety much explains the coming of 2012 and the movement of our solar system within our galaxy. Humanity is in a state of confusion like it never faced before. It's actually up to simple people to decide the faith of how this world is going to turn out. The Elites are ****ting themselves at the minute, specially the UK/USA axis. The royal family is also part of this group.


Like since there is a global change, and people are beginning to question things like never before. Organised warfare is now ltoo becoming an end. People are not fooled like they used too. Many people are switching off the T.V and ignoring the propagandas. People now know the governments were never really democratic. Even here people are realising that Europe is not going by the foundations it was first founded.

The lisbon treaty is an example. The super army is another example of backward movement. The turning down of our vote in the referedum is another.

The very fact the NWO is now officially not a conspriacy. Leaders of the free world carefully throw out theri in their speeches. Like it's no big deal. The Constitiion is been torn apart bit by bit in America, to the idea of reoccurring treaty on this side of the Atlantic, also too trying to strp away our civil liberitties. People are copping on. I copped along time ago. Maybe this info is a bit to much for some peopele I don't know. But all I'll say is be aware, be aware, be aware.

When there is a mass awakening, which is now taking place. You see the governments and media throwing out distractions. see UFOs hitting the news the day after:rolleyes:. The governments are just spinning this out hopefully we get distracted. You see WW3 stuff, you see bird flue epidemic, you see the Gaza/Palistine war going off again. Whenever there is signs that people are moving in the right direction. So the powers of be, act on something.

To me this is them "reacting" With this depression, is a classic example. There are reacting so much, that Browne has to go over to the USA, and babble more speeches in the hope that we will listen to this.

lol. You see what I mean by reaction?

I'll show you another one where they created distraction very recently.
When Bush was at his all time low, and where people were actually trying to convict him of war crimes as he was leaving office. Various well known members of the houise in Washington etc.

The Blagovich scandal hit the headlines. Attention was completely deferred off Bush.
And Cheney somehow is on a wheelchair. . A clear indication of distraction and deferation to me.

Another obvious deception to me.
The day before 9/11. Rumsfield annonces more spending in weapons and annocing a trillion dollar black hole in the defence budget.

There are 100s of examples where you can spot the government reacting in various cases.

They cant distract us, if your aware. They can't take your power if you empower yourself.



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K-9

All very interesting. Personally I think you grant Govts. too much intelligence!

Ever since the Tulip crisis in Holland and I'm sure even before that, boom and busts happen.

Greed just takes over every few decades, it gets to unsustainable levels and then collapses.

People could change things and have had chances to do it before, they haven't, because Capitalism appeals the the lowest common denominator, Greed!

Kernel

K-9 wrote: »

All very interesting. Personally I think you grant Govts. too much intelligence!

This argument is put about from time to time. If that were the case, then someone should tell the USofA to stop wasting so much money on intelligence operations.

We also have social darwinism, in that the elite intellectuals will rise to positions of power. Of course, the president is only the front man (pre-empting the George W Bush counter-argument).

NiallMH

Somebody please - In 4-5 sentences of plain simple English tell me what the NWO is , who's doing it and why. No need for annoying ppl replying " OMG GET EFFING REAL"
- Thanks

K-9

Kernel wrote: »

This argument is put about from time to time. If that were the case, then someone should tell the USofA to stop wasting so much money on intelligence operations.

We also have social darwinism, in that the elite intellectuals will rise to positions of power. Of course, the president is only the front man (pre-empting the George W Bush counter-argument).

Indeed, like the friendly fire there!

Still, I think Mysterious pointed it out too, it looks like they could have gone too far this time.

People on welfare are starving in the US, dying because of lack of money and no Health Insurance etc. Either they have seriously miscalculated and aren't that smart, or this is another Depression.

Many Economists warned about this in the last few years. You can see it here. It was obvious the Property bubble was going to happen, but Govts. were too greedy to see it.

mysterious

NiallMH wrote: »

Somebody please - In 4-5 sentences of plain simple English tell me what the NWO is , who's doing it and why. No need for annoying ppl replying " OMG GET EFFING REAL"
- Thanks

NEW WORLD ORDER.

Its where the government of the free world want global domination, by extreme meausres. A one world government.

It's like Rome basically, the sexual attraction for the elite to control the whole world will never end.

Seriously there is no conspiracy or anything secret. Its founded by the rullig familes that currently run America and Europe.


It's already failing in my opinon.

K-9

One thing, why would they use boom and bust economics?

Surely if they have that much power, it is riskier than having steady economic cycles?

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

Indeed, like the friendly fire there!

Still, I think Mysterious pointed it out too, it looks like they could have gone too far this time.

We could say they went to far with 9/11.

People on welfare are starving in the US, dying because of lack of money and no Health Insurance etc. Either they have seriously miscalculated and aren't that smart, or this is another Depression.

The ruling powers own everything, they won't be affected, and with all the greed, they wouldn't give a damn about the starving.

When you have everything you want, would you think they care?

Many Economists warned about this in the last few years. You can see it here. It was obvious the Property bubble was going to happen, but Govts. were too greedy to see it.

Not only did they let if happen, they allowed it to get this bad, and it's like they are using it as a form of control. That is how it's percieving to be.

Gvoernments create it, so they can swim in their pool and smoke cigars, while we are powerless. The people in power who are on the highest of the scale, have the power, to basically create any reality they want on this planet.

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

One thing, why would they use boom and bust economics?

Surely if they have that much power, it is riskier than having steady economic cycles?

It's a power trip.

Problem solution method
Divide and control method

The cycles are there for a very good reason, well for them anyway.
They own the money. They call the shots.

Kernel

NiallMH wrote: »

Somebody please - In 4-5 sentences of plain simple English tell me what the NWO is , who's doing it and why. No need for annoying ppl replying " OMG GET EFFING REAL"
- Thanks

Hmmm.. I'll put together a proper long thread when I get a chance detailing the NWO. Perhaps one worthy of a sticky. But simply put, the NWO is an agenda which people (like me) believe has promoted globalism politically and economically. A one world government, if you will. The agenda has been believed to have been pushed by international bankers, and Rockefeller amongst others. The proponents of this agenda have been identified as David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Brzezinski, Bush Snr. amongst others. Through examination of the works of these individuals, we can see the UN, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations and Bilderberg groups. Ah.. I can't do it justice in a few sentences, but if you start researching what I've mentioned or wait for my superthread it will help.

It seems that the agenda is being pushed more frequently in speeches like this, and indeed in the effect of corporate globalism on the world economy. The recessions you see, may be required to redistribute wealth, and are at least partially a result of globalisation of business. eg. Cheaper to manufacture in China - so why manufacture in Ireland? Other things are also tied into this agenda such as energy (oil) and basically, the agenda of one world has been having massive reprocussions as of late. From Iraq invasion to the rise of China as a superpower.

Kernel

K-9 wrote: »

Indeed, like the friendly fire there!

Still, I think Mysterious pointed it out too, it looks like they could have gone too far this time.

People on welfare are starving in the US, dying because of lack of money and no Health Insurance etc. Either they have seriously miscalculated and aren't that smart, or this is another Depression.

Many Economists warned about this in the last few years. You can see it here. It was obvious the Property bubble was going to happen, but Govts. were too greedy to see it.

I'm still trying to work out the global financial meltdown. It isn't fitting in too neatly in the jigsaw, and as such I'm certainly not 100% decided on an opinion on it. I do know that the NWO agenda has repeatedly been darwinist and 'real-politik' in it's methodology, so in that respect people starving and dying is merely a culling of the herd. This could be a depression, but remember that the last depression was a boon for the Morgan/Rothschild bankers.

mysterious

The global meltdown,

Was created for one purpose to further weaken us. Humans naturally want someone to lead them. When they are weak, starving and fear they will give themselves up to any one who will lead the way.

Since the rothchild and rockerfeller own the money and own the reality. This is part of the plan. After this gloabal meltdown, will be a war, as that is the plan.

It's history repeating, but not quite. We are aware, since it's happened before we are more prepared.

There really is no grey area on this particular point. Its just another tactic to try and control us.

We lose money, they don't because they make the meney. We live their realty. I have curssed them. It will be the end of them soon enough

Veni Vedi Vici

mysterious wrote: »

It will be the end of them soon enough

You seem fairly sure of yourself there mysterious...

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

The lisbon treaty is an example. The super army is another example of backward movement. The turning down of our vote in the referedum is another.

Many sections of the NWO in Washington are against Lisbon.

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

Many sections of the NWO in Washington are against Lisbon.

Well can you show me where?

Europe excluding Uk, want a super United dumb states of Europe. USA and UK could be threatened by that

I would like to see this info please?

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

Well can you show me where?

Check out Bolton, the ex US UN Ambassador. I'll get a link later.

mysterious wrote:

Europe excluding Uk, want a super United dumb states of Europe. USA and UK could be threatened by that

Not very NWO, is it?

K-9

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2094840/John-Bolton-Lisbon-Treaty-will-undermine-democracy.html

That's a start, though it's Bolton and the Telegraph which is a double whammy on the EU.

For balance here is the Guardian on him:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/18/ireland.usa

Considering his record in the UN, Called "the worst US Ambassador to the UN ever", this post 9/11 and Iraq invasion btw, his pro Bush and NATO stance etc. etc. I wonder why a member of the NWO would oppose the EU NWO?

A Wiki on him, yep, I know it's Wiki, but just to get a feel for the guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton

mysterious

Well thanks for that.

I always had a feeling that the EU NWO and the USA NWO both are want the same thing, but neither are going to allow the other to be the head or supreme over it all.

I did at one stage talk about this before and I stopped in my tracks, as to realise but who is representing the EU NWO, or EU dumb superstate..

Alot of people say that zionism is now in control of Europe since the fall of the Nazis, the zionsits have stepped on the ladder to take over Europe.

To be honest, it's a question we will be a long time trying to find out. It's also well known that the illuminati have many different separate groups. SOme are bad soem are nuetral some are good. So I'm open in trying to find out who is who in this scenerio.

What do the rest of you think.

K-9

mysterious wrote: »

Well thanks for that.

I always had a feeling that the EU NWO and the USA NWO both are want the same thing, but neither are going to allow the other to be the head or supreme over it all.

I did at one stage talk about this before and I stopped in my tracks, as to realise but who is representing the EU NWO, or EU dumb superstate..

Think it's your turn for links.

mysterious wrote:

Alot of people say that zionism is now in control of Europe since the fall of the Nazis, the zionsits have stepped on the ladder to take over Europe.

Links?

mysterious wrote:

To be honest, it's a question we will be a long time trying to find out. It's also well known that the illuminati have many different separate groups. SOme are bad soem are nuetral some are good. So I'm open in trying to find out who is who in this scenerio.

What do the rest of you think.

I'll accept that, but it seems a little picky and choosy to me, if you follow?

PS. Just re read there, some good, Who are they?

NiallMH

What about the 1980's recession?
-Was that a control stunt?

mysterious - u know a scarily amount abou d NWO so im not doubting ur knowledge im just sayin these individuals would be assassainated if every joe soap believed in d NWO

Kernel

NiallMH wrote: »

What about the 1980's recession?
-Was that a control stunt?

That was a recession in the backwater of Ireland, hardly a global economic powerplay!

Veni Vedi Vici

Kernel wrote: »

That was a recession in the backwater of Ireland, hardly a global economic powerplay!

I would have thought that you'd be of the opinion that any economic fluctuation is determined by the elite since it is they who apparently control the monetary system.

Does recession, economic downturn and inflation not go hand in hand? Is this not all 'deliberated' by the 'elite central bankers'?

Why would they opt for a 'powerplay' just now?

mysterious

NiallMH wrote: »

What about the 1980's recession?
-Was that a control stunt?

mysterious - u know a scarily amount abou d NWO so im not doubting ur knowledge im just sayin these individuals would be assassainated if every joe soap believed in d NWO

If I was in a league of power with the knowledge I have, I would be assasinated too. I've already created an incredible stirr on many forums. I knew the people I was also attracting onto it. I know the type of people I'm dealing with by their reaction. I will say I have not attracted any high ranking "person" in a few months in my dealings on the internet.

They are just monitoring people, on the internet they are not to concered by the likes of me or anyone who knows a great deal, The powers of be, are not to bothered about the internet, they think that i just type and don't act.

J.F.K, and 2pac are in the league of power, and I believe 2pac knows less than me as there is far much exposure know than in his time, but he has a huge fan base, and he would cause global effect. Right now, the way this planet is going. Everyone will be drones.

Just bear in mind, I am someone who is not afraid to put my own life on the line, for my beliefs and goals.

mysterious

K-9 wrote: »

Think it's your turn for links.

Links on what, I'm just telling you from knowledge that I have dicussed, and have read on forums with many people from all over the world.

On zionism in America and zionism rising in Europe.
I actually don't know a great deal, of the hierachy of whos, whos to be honest.

But I will delve into this;)
When I find interesting stuff, I will post them onto here.

P.S power is power, and the power we are pin pointing, are the elite that have been rulling for thousands of years. Power is always inherited. The ruling elite of America would be distant cousins of the American high ruling families. Many of the extended royal famililes took control over many states in America when America was first founded. They bloodlines are not going to dissapear. They are still there.

mysterious

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

I would have thought that you'd be of the opinion that any economic fluctuation if determined by the elite since it they who apparently control the monetary system.

Does recession, economic downturn and inflation not go hand in hand? Is this not all 'deliberated' by the 'elite central bankers'?

Why would they opt for a 'powerplay' just now?

Everything happens for a reason.
Everything happens for a reason.

When you ask the question, tease it out, see what you come up with.

They want world depopulation, the easiest ways to do this, is to weaken the economies and put the masses into fear.

It's easier to control and determine the outcomes of their own goals.

meglome

mysterious wrote: »

Everything happens for a reason.
Everything happens for a reason.

When you ask the question, tease it out, see what you come up with.

They want world depopulation, the easiest ways to do this, is to weaken the economies and put the masses into fear.

It's easier to control and determine the outcomes of their own goals.

Any chance you'd answer his questions?

mysterious

meglome wrote: »

Any chance you'd answer his questions?

They are afraid of losing control
It's is to Weaken the people strenghtens the elites. It is to prevent people from waking uip or actually becoming more aware.

An example
Lisbon treaty, we voted no. They panicked.
The elite create this treaty, but yet also created this depresssion. why?
Think.


We voted NO, so the next tactic, is to weaken the masses and make them more depended on the government.

"if you dont vote yes in lisbon, Irelands economy is in grave danger"
Breaking news on Sky news;) Notice anything about this lner?
How many times did our leaders say this?


The elite tell you to vote YES, or Ireland will be doomed basically. This is simple manipulation for you to give up your power. This depression helps this reality come to frution. You become sucked in.

The Media and elitebankers/money spinners are the ones who create the global depression. So why would they tell you to vote YES for something that they created to weaken you? and still pull the strings at the same time you are safe if you vote yes?. See wha'ts happening yet?

It's how they de- power you. It's about control, thats why they are doing this now. They need more control. The elites creating a depression, is bascially a control tactic a classic sign of reaction and projection. They are doing it now, because they are losing control They create this, in the hope we all react. We are, we are now full swing into a depression, that was created purposely.

Remember I told you all, that reaction, is one of the clearest signs of losing power. Sheeple react to the NWO. We get sucked in. If the government react to mass awakenings, the Elites, go in to o_0 zone. So they spin out this gloabal scare. Problem, reaction, solution method.

It's how they control us. All you need is to be more aware of the synchroization of events that are going on right now. It will make sense to all of you eventually.

Veni Vedi Vici

meglome wrote: »

Any chance you'd answer his questions?

Even with a second attempt I think mysterious has missed the essence of my question.

To paraphrase I asked Kernel how can the Irish recession of the eighties be dismissed as an event that was not deliberated yet the one at hand is clearly a conspiracy. There's no continuity in that rationale.

Would the 'power-play' not have been in play then too?

Am I missing something or do you (mysterious) hold a differnt belief to that of Kernel's?

nyarlothothep

how do you reconcile this interpretation of Lisbon and the depression with Declan Ganley who is a member of the elite and linked to neo cons? He is most definitely an individual with a shady past who irritatingly refuses to give information upon request and spurns disinformation and lies. I'm of two halves about Lisbon myself, I do see it as distancing power structures from the people and I'm not down on the promotion private healthcare either, although its not an inherently malign treaty either and has some positives to it, that said the recession was happening before any mention of the treaty with the crash in sub prime mortgages way back in 07. The precedents for the recession extend back even further to 2000.

Kernel

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

I would have thought that you'd be of the opinion that any economic fluctuation is determined by the elite since it is they who apparently control the monetary system.

Does recession, economic downturn and inflation not go hand in hand? Is this not all 'deliberated' by the 'elite central bankers'?

Why would they opt for a 'powerplay' just now?

Not all economic fluctuations would be controlled by the elites. Yes, they invented the system and control the system to a large extent, but small nations of little relevance or importance in world affairs (Ireland in the 80's) would not have been on the radar in terms of globalisation. So I think we were responsible for our recession in the 80s, and I think that we profitted from corporate globalisation and a lending/property boom which was unsustainable. We also have no indigenous industry apart from agriculture, and that is a problem too.

mysterious

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

Even with a second attempt I think mysterious has missed the essence of my question.

To paraphrase I asked Kernel how can the Irish recession of the eighties be dismissed as an event that was not deliberated yet the one at hand is clearly a conspiracy. There's no continuity in that rationale.

Would the 'power-play' not have been in play then too?

Am I missing something or do you (mysterious) hold a differnt belief to that of Kernel's?

Sorry Veni vedi, I missed that part of the question. I thought I was clarifying my post, to what meglome wanted me to answer.


How was it a conspriacy?
Irish recession, was due to the state of our countrys finances, lack of infastructure, unemployment, lidle construction industry and general mis management to lead our own country into the modern age. We are not a mineral wealthy country. We cashed in on foriegn investment, to get us out of the recession.

What is conspiracy of this

Ireland has a history of emigration. There was "no money" in this country.
I fail to see how the recession in the 80s was a conspriacy. The recession affected only Ireland, is was not a world wide scale with panick.

It's nothing like what happened world wide, like the 30s. The current recession turning depression is a world wide castrophe.

mysterious

nyarlothothep wrote: »

how do you reconcile this interpretation of Lisbon and the depression with Declan Ganley who is a member of the elite and linked to neo cons? He is most definitely an individual with a shady past who irritatingly refuses to give information upon request and spurns disinformation and lies. I'm of two halves about Lisbon myself, I do see it as distancing power structures from the people and I'm not down on the promotion private healthcare either, although its not an inherently malign treaty either and has some positives to it, that said the recession was happening before any mention of the treaty with the crash in sub prime mortgages way back in 07. The precedents for the recession extend back even further to 2000.

There is very little positives in the whole process of that treaty.

If this is ratified, I sure hope not. (wont go there:mad:)

The next treaty leading from this one, will bring more measures, more rules, more laws, more control.

I'm very surprised, people don't actually question the very flaw of this treaty and Europe itself.

1. EC, was first invisioned, for the main countries in Europe to work economically and tie relations better together after the war torn relations post WW2. Therefore, the idea then "to my belief" was to restore peace and remove millitary scope out the door"

Yet this treaty wants us to pipe up on millitary spending, and have a super army. Why do we need a super army " get these imaginary terrorists" Like I can see this wil become "UNIAERMCA"

2. Each country was a member, still a country, still has it's own identity.
This treaty doesnt represent this.
This treaty is another step to further destroy this freedom of movement and idealism within Europe that we have. I think United states of Europe is

the 666 I'm afraid:(

2.

mysterious

Kernel wrote: »

Not all economic fluctuations would be controlled by the elites. Yes, they invented the system and control the system to a large extent, but small nations of little relevance or importance in world affairs (Ireland in the 80's) would not have been on the radar in terms of globalisation. So I think we were responsible for our recession in the 80s, and I think that we profitted from corporate globalisation and a lending/property boom which was unsustainable. We also have no indigenous industry apart from agriculture, and that is a problem too.

I concur. Our own recession was our own mismangement of our own country. Nothing more, nothing less.

To compare it to this global depression, is ludricous.

In the 80s, "there was no money to begin with"
Today, money is there, gleaming roads are here, big companines are here, massive redevelopments of the urban fabirc of our towns and cities etc, and our mass love for shining cars.

Yet we are in this "big big big global depression"

They just don't go on the same boat in this argument whatsoever.

NiallMH

mysterious wrote: »

Everything happens for a reason.
Everything happens for a reason.
.

Yeah , the reason being we never saw it coming. When was the last time there was a global recession . . I dont know Im hoping you will , but did the people first people to see a hurricane believe it was set up (Thats a very bad example but just try think along them lines)

mysterious

NiallMH wrote: »

Yeah , the reason being we never saw it coming. When was the last time there was a global recession . . I dont know Im hoping you will , but did the people first people to see a hurricane believe it was set up (Thats a very bad example but just try think along them lines)

1930, Then a war after, rothchild freaked when the monetary system was going up and down. They succeeded their plans, and guess what they have more control now. To the point, of creating one, behind our faces.

What are you trying to say? Can you phrase your question better? what about the hurricane. Hurricane Katrina was a set up. Whether they helped to create it or not, they sure knew it was going to happen. They wanted to observe a natural disaster of that scale, maybe to see how a bigger one would be determine or happen again within the country or outside, via planned process.

I believe the government calculate things like this.
WTC 92 bombings, another test to see how people react, before the big one, That it was hurricane Katrina smells like too in this case. Why is this a comparison, because the way the government behaves and treated these disasters is very deceptive and pecurliar

6th

mysterious wrote: »

Hurricane Katrina was a set up.

How?