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Hmm, was the contamination accidental?

  • 05-03-2009 10:02pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭


    What do you all make of this article? I'm not very familiar with the story but it has caught my attention...
    Czech newspapers are questioning if the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus which were distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic.
    The claim holds weight because, according to the very laboratory protocols that are routine for vaccine makers, mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible.
    “The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses,” reports the Canadian Press.
    Baxter flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 - otherwise known as the human form of avian flu, one of the most deadly biological weapons on earth with a 60% kill rate - were received by labs in the Czech Republic, Germany, and Slovenia.
    Initially, Baxter attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident. This was seemingly an attempt to quickly change the story and hide the fact that the accidental contamination of a vaccine with a deadly biological agent like avian flu is virtually impossible and the only way it could have happened was by wilful gross criminal negligence.

    According to a compiled translation from Czech newspaper stories, the media over there is asking tough questions about whether the contamination was part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic.
    “Was this just a criminal negligence or it was an attempt to provoke pandemia using vaccination against flu to spread the disease - as happened with the anti-B hepatitis vaccination with vaccines containing the HIV virus in US? - and then cash for the vaccines against H5N1 which Baxter develops? How could on Earth a virus as H5N1 come to the ordinary flu vaccines? Don’t they follow even basic precautions in the american pharma companies?” states the translation.
    The fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it is less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super-airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super-airbone, super deadly biological weapon.
    As the Canadian Press article explains, “While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.”
    There can be little doubt therefore that this was a deliberate attempt to weaponize the H5N1 virus to its most potent extreme and distribute it via conventional flu vaccines to the population who would then infect others to a devastating degree as the disease went airborne.
    The Canadian Press article states, “That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created,” but then claims that there is no evidence that this is what Baxter were doing, despite there being no clear explanation as to why Baxter has samples of the live avian flu virus on its premises in the first place.
    However, to reiterate, the key aspect of this story is that it is virtually impossible for live avian flu virus to find its way into a vaccine by “accident”.
    As health expert Mike Adams points out, “The shocking answer is that this couldn’t have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.”
    As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf…):
    “Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features.”
    Under the BSL3 code of conduct, it is impossible for live avian flu viruses to contaminate production vaccine materials that are shipped out to vendors around the world.
    This leaves only two possibilities that explain these events:
    Possibility #1: Baxter isn’t following BSL3 safety guidelines or is so sloppy in following them that it can make monumental mistakes that threaten the safety of the entire human race. And if that’s the case, then why are we injecting our children with vaccines made from Baxter’s materials?
    Possibility #2: A rogue employee (or an evil plot from the top management) is present at Baxter, whereby live avian flu viruses were intentionally placed into the vaccine materials in the hope that such materials might be injected into humans and set off a global bird flu pandemic.
    Spreading bird flu would create an instantaneous surge of demand for bird flu vaccines. The profits that vaccine companies such as Baxter International could reap out of such a panic are astronomical.
    In addition, as we have previously reported, those that have a stake in the Tamiflu vaccine include top globalists and BIlderberg members like George Shultz, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
    Authorities in both Europe and the U.S. have openly detailed plans for martial law, quarantine and internment should a bird flu pandemic occur.
    The other motivation, as we have exhaustively documented on this website for years, is the fact that elites throughout history have openly stated that they want to see a world population reduction of around 80 per cent. Shocking stories like this take the plausibility of that narrative out of the realms of conspiracy theory and into the dangerous reality of conspiracy fact.
    “Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter — which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world — getting away with saying, essentially, “Oops?”, Adams concludes.
    This is not the first time that vaccine companies have been caught distributing vaccines contaminated with deadly viruses.
    In 2006 it was revealed that Bayer Corporation had discovered that their injection drug, which was used by hemophiliacs, was contaminated with the HIV virus. Internal documents prove that after they positively knew that the drug was contaminated, they took it off the U.S. market only to dump it on the European, Asian and Latin American markets, knowingly exposing thousands, most of them children, to the live HIV virus. Government officials in France went to prison for allowing the drug to be distributed. The documents show that the FDA colluded with Bayer to cover-up the scandal and allowed the deadly drug to be distributed globally. No Bayer executives ever faced arrest or prosecution in the United States.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭jonbravo


    ok you got me hook, id like to know more about this!?:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Kama


    Hadn't heard this, thanks for the heads-up, can't see an innocent reading of this...

    Also like to say finding stuff like this is a lot of why I read CT...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    very interesting read. Vaccine company "accidently" release virus. Vaccine company then sells cure. Be interesting to see what happens next


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭jonbravo


    Kama wrote: »
    Hadn't heard this, thanks for the heads-up, can't see an innocent reading of this...

    Also like to say finding stuff like this is a lot of why I read CT...
    thats all this is for now is a good story until some research is done into it, sometimes reporters jump off the cliff in terms of putting across they story .. dont know if its a CT because if its true, something will be done i am sure!! but say nottin til ya hear more:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    They kind of hint at and then completely gloss over (in order to blame the NWO, but it's Inforwars after all :D ), the possibility of one worker doing it. It could be a case of a disgruntled employee out for revenge. I'm curious to see what comes of this over the next few weeks.

    Also, is anyone wondering why it seems only the Canadian press is covering this? I did a quick google, and other than conspiracy sites, it's only Canadian papers that have it. I'd of thought everyone (especially the UK tabloids) would be all over this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Terrifying scenario I'll grant. Grave news and ill portent indeed. I really don't understand people who do this. Its sickening, they're not human.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Terrifying scenario I'll grant. Grave news and ill portent indeed. I really don't understand people who do this. Its sickening, they're not human.
    And some people thought Mengele was a once off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,306 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    So, apart from the Canadian Sun (sounds like a tabloid), and every conspiracy site on the internet, there has been nothing about this?

    Looked through http://www.who.int but couldn't find anything about it?

    That's one thing about conspiracies: the less information there is, the more people will believe in it :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    I found a more reliable source of news: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTo3LbhcA75I

    To be honest, it sounds less and less like a conspiracy. The samples weren't being sent off to be used on people, they were being sent off to labs for further research. If they wanted to create a pandemic, they could just infect a rail station or airport and nobody would ever know. Unless this was just a distraction... <_< >_>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,306 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    humanji wrote: »
    I found a more reliable source of news: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTo3LbhcA75I

    To be honest, it sounds less and less like a conspiracy. The samples weren't being sent off to be used on people, they were being sent off to labs for further research. If they wanted to create a pandemic, they could just infect a rail station or airport and nobody would ever know. Unless this was just a distraction... <_< >_>
    Makes sense, esp as Baxter was given a contract to do so in 2006 by the Austrian government...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    an (un) interesting point on Baxter is that they can be linked to Bush Cheney through Scooter Libby

    & The Rothschillds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    an (un) interesting point on Baxter is that they can be linked to Bush Cheney through Scooter Libby

    & The Rothschillds

    Is there anything backing this up at all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Is there anything backing this up at all?

    Nickles Group are A Baxter Lobby Firm.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=Baxter+International&id=Y00000323810&year=2008

    Their founder and CEO is former Senator Donald Nickles
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Nickles#Senate_leader
    "If jail time is issued, I would hope the president would issue a pardon," said former Sen. Don Nickles, R-Okla., a member of Libby's legal defense fund.

    And if you need proof that Libby was Cheney's Chief-of_Staff or that his sentence was commutted by Pres Bush, just ask.

    One big happy NWO family. What might be worth looking further into is the Chairman of the Libby defence fund Sembler, now deceased.

    He was the founder Straight, a drug rehabilitation centre for adolocents (man I can't remember how to spell anymore). Anyways, there were allegations made against the group of mind conditioning and brainwashing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    This was only caught due to the Quality Control of the sub-contractor. So Why did the QC of the supplier or Baxter not catch it? Mixing a human flu and H5N1 in a human host is likely the only way that a human to human transmissible bird flu could be created, so this ‘mistake’ could have cost billions of lives! This is major news, why is it not being reported?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    humanji wrote: »
    I found a more reliable source of news: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTo3LbhcA75I

    To be honest, it sounds less and less like a conspiracy. The samples weren't being sent off to be used on people, they were being sent off to labs for further research. If they wanted to create a pandemic, they could just infect a rail station or airport and nobody would ever know. Unless this was just a distraction... <_< >_>
    I don't believe this was a screwup. These guys operate at Bio Safety Level (BSL) 3 Plus.. Which is in between BSL 3 and 4, with 4 being the highest level of safety required. BSL 3 is for dangers like SARS and Anthrax and BSL 4 is for the infamous Ebola Virus and Lassa Fever.. The influenza virus is dealt with at BSL 2, how on earth did they accidentally take not just one but TWO BSL 3 Plus LIVE VIRUS's, both separately stored and clearly marked out of the secure holding that it would be in, in a BSL 3 Plus lab and put it in a BSL 2 lab not knowing what it was and mix it with a vaccine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Nickles Group are A Baxter Lobby Firm.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=Baxter+International&id=Y00000323810&year=2008

    Their founder and CEO is former Senator Donald Nickles
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Nickles#Senate_leader

    And if you need proof that Libby was Cheney's Chief-of_Staff or that his sentence was commutted by Pres Bush, just ask.

    One big happy NWO family. What might be worth looking further into is the Chairman of the Libby defence fund Sembler, now deceased.
    That's it? The CEO of a group linked to the company knows Scooter Libby? Ok then even if this wasn't a fairly weak link. Have you anything to suggest that anything unseemly is going on due to this link?
    And how about this link to the Rothchilds?
    He was the founder Straight, a drug rehabilitation centre for adolocents (man I can't remember how to spell anymore). Anyways, there were allegations made against the group of mind conditioning and brainwashing.
    And allegations are made against Bush that he is in fact a reptile.
    Seriously you need to back up claims like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Folks can we keep this on topic? Please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    6th wrote: »
    Folks can we keep this on topic? Please.

    That depends really. If SKG can clearly back himself up then we've never really left the topic at hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    This was only caught due to the Quality Control of the sub-contractor. So Why did the QC of the supplier or Baxter not catch it? Mixing a human flu and H5N1 in a human host is likely the only way that a human to human transmissible bird flu could be created, so this ‘mistake’ could have cost billions of lives! This is major news, why is it not being reported?
    It wasn't caught because of quality control. It was sent to another lab for more testing and it was tested on an animal that died. Upon investigating it, it was discovered that the samples had been cross contaminated.

    How can Baxter benefit from sending a contaminated batch to a lab where they know 100% that the sample would be tested before it was ever going to have a hope of going near a human subject? It just doesn't make sense.

    There are safety features in all sorts of industries and human error causes them to fail all the time. The lab workers could of been overworked and tired. The one responsible for labelling samples could of been staring at another lab workers breasts instead of paying attention. There's a whole host of factors we're not privy to. You'll find that the different samples could quite easily be stored in the same fridge to cut costs for all we know, and not in completely seperate laboratories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    Goddamit :mad:

    When I search for this (even using Google advanced search) I end up primarily with sites that revolve around conspiracy, 911, satanism etc.

    Here's what BBC returns:
    http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?tab=all&q=baxter+contaminated+vaccine

    Nothing shows up on CNN:
    http://search.cnn.com/search?query=baxter+contaminate+vaccine&type=news&sortBy=date&intl=false

    RTE is the same:
    http://www.rte.ie/search.html?query=baxter%20contaminated%20vaccine


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    humanji wrote: »
    It wasn't caught because of quality control. It was sent to another lab for more testing and it was tested on an animal that died. Upon investigating it, it was discovered that the samples had been cross contaminated.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iV_RT6oBK3tOhtsWf5pnu5OIby9w "The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn't die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses."

    Flu vaccines were found to contain two different type of Avian bird flu, not only were they bird flu but they were LIVE..

    How does that happen by accident? You can't even get anywhere near that stuff even in a lab.. It's not possible at all to make such a monumental screw up.. If anyone understands the way a lab that handles this type of disease works you'll know that.

    Anyway, regardless of what I or you think, this "screw up" could have killed millions of people around the world. It's major news. Why is it not being reported?


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭SolarFlash


    Only for Alex Jones I wouldn't have heard anything about this. Whats worse is that there was almost zero attempt to cover it up. Baxter just sent the contaminated virus with specific instructions not to radiate it i.e. sterilise the vaccine prior to immunisation. A blatant attempt to start a pandemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    SolarFlash wrote: »
    [Baxter just sent the contaminated virus with specific instructions not to radiate it i.e. sterilise the vaccine prior to immunisation. A blatant attempt to start a pandemic.[/LEFT]

    Can you provide some backup for this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭SolarFlash


    I'm going by what I heard on the Alex Jones show, he said that they were instructed not to radiate it and he has far more info then I have access too.

    If the vaccine had been radiated it would not have killed the ferrets, all vaccines are supposed to be radiated. Therefore Baxter didn't radiate this vaccine because they didn't want to kill the live bird flu.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    SolarFlash wrote: »
    I'm going by what I heard on the Alex Jones show, he said that they were instructed not to radiate it and he has far more info then I have access too.

    If the vaccine had been radiated it would not have killed the ferrets, all vaccines are supposed to be radiated. Therefore Baxter didn't radiate this vaccine because they didn't want to kill the live bird flu.

    Does Alex Jones mention his sources throughout the broadcast?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    SolarFlash wrote: »
    I'm going by what I heard on the Alex Jones show, he said that they were instructed not to radiate it and he has far more info then I have access too.

    If the vaccine had been radiated it would not have killed the ferrets, all vaccines are supposed to be radiated. Therefore Baxter didn't radiate this vaccine because they didn't want to kill the live bird flu.

    So all it takes is 1 mans word to convince you of something?


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭SolarFlash


    He said that Baxter sent specific instructions not to radiate the vaccine, I cant find anything to confirm that. I don't remember him mentioning the document that says that. So either Jones is lying or he meant that Baxter didn't radiate the vaccine before they sent it to the other laboratories which a level 3 lab is supposed to do.

    Its very suspicious that lab that discovered the contamination didn't radiate the vaccine before they gave it to the ferrets. They must have presumed it had been radiated as would be standard practice in virology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    I'm not necessarily disputing your information. I'm just hard pressed to find any amount of sources outside of conspiracy sites.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    I'm not necessarily disputing your information. I'm just hard pressed to find any amount of sources outside of conspiracy sites.
    I'm getting better search results by not using google. Here is one http://www.scribd.com/doc/12966363/Vaccines-as-Biological-Weapons-2009
    this too
    http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/02/baxter_bird_flu_botch.php


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    Here's the the information contained in the link as provided by uncle_sam_ie:
    Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
    http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
    (NaturalNews) There's a popular medical thriller novel in which a global pandemic is intentionally set off by an evil plot designed to reduce the human population. In the book, a nefarious drug company inserts live avian flu viruses into vaccine materials that are distributed to countries around the world to be injected into patients as "flu shots." Those patients then become carriers for these highly-virulent strains of avian flu which go on to infect the world population and cause widespread death. There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now. Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada.
    The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question:
    How could this have happened?
    As published on LifeGen.de (http://www.lifegen.de/newsip/shownews.php4?getnews=2009-02-26-5323&pc=s01), serious questions like this are being raised: "Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic." Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter -- which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world -- getting away with saying, essentially, "Oops?" But there's a bigger question in all this: How could this company have accidentally mixed LIVE avian flu viruses (both H5N1 and H3N2, the human form) in this vaccine material?
    Was the viral contamination intentional?

    The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials. As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#Biosafety_level_3):
    "Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features."
    Under the BSL3 code of conduct, it is impossible for live avian flu viruses to contaminate production vaccine materials that are shipped out to vendors around the world. This leaves only two possibilities that explain these events: Possibility #1: Baxter isn't following BSL3 safety guidelines or is so sloppy in following them that it can make monumental mistakes that threaten the safety of the entire human race. And if that's the case, then why are we injecting our children with vaccines made from Baxter's materials? Possibility #2: A rogue employee (or an evil plot from the top management) is present at Baxter, whereby live avian flu viruses were intentionally placed into the vaccine materials in the hope that such materials might be injected into humans and set off a global bird flu pandemic. It just so happens that a global bird flu pandemic would sell a LOT of bird flu vaccines. Although some naive people have a hard time believing that corporations would endanger human beings to make money, this is precisely the way corporations now behave in America's ethically-challenged free-market environment. (Remember Enron? Exxon? Merck? DuPont? Monsanto? Need I go on?) Make no mistake: Spreading bird flu is a clever way to create demand for bird flu vaccines, and we've all seen very clearly how drug companies first market the problem and then "leap to the rescue" by selling the solution. (Disease mongering of ADHD, bipolar disorder, etc.)
    Why it all suddenly makes sense...

    Until today, I would not have personally believed such a story. I personally thought talk of bird flu vaccines being "weaponized" was just alarmist hype. But now, in light of the fact that LIVE bird flu viruses are being openly found in vaccine materials that are distributed around the world, I must admit the evidence is increasingly compelling that something extremely dangerous is afoot. Baxter, through either its mistakes or its evil intentions, just put the safety of the entire human race at risk. Given all the laboratory protocols put in place to prevent this kind of thing, it is difficult to believe this was just a mistake. There is some speculation, in fact, that the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed up to 50 million people worldwide (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS294US304&q=1918%20influenza&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi), was intentionally started by injecting servicemen with "experimental" flu vaccines that actually contained live, "weaponized" flu material just like the material being distributed by Baxter today. Examine the historical record. You'll find that the 1918 flu originated with servicemen. Even more
    interestingly, it began in multiple cities, simultaneously! There is no single point of origin with the 1918 flu. It appears to have "spontaneously" sprung up across multiple cities all at once, including a military base in Kansas. (Kansas? Yep. So how did it get to Kansas in an era when air traffic was virtually non-existent? Vaccines, of course!) All those cities and servicemen have one thing in common: Flu shot vaccinations given to them by the military. If you put the pieces together on this, it's not too difficult to suspect that influenza could potentially be used as a tool of control by governments or drug companies to catalyze outrageous profit-taking or power grabbing agendas. A desperate, infected population will gladly give up anything or pay anything for the promise of being cured.
    Or was it just an innocent mistake? Oops!

    But for the skeptics who dismiss any such talk of conspiracy theories, let's examine the other possibility: That a global avian flu pandemic was nearly unleashed unintentionally due to the outrageous incompetence of the companies handling these viral strains. As we just saw, this is a very real possibility. Had this live bird flu virus not been detected, it could have very easily found its way into vaccines that were injected into human beings. And this, in turn, could have unleashed a global avian flu pandemic. If the drug companies making and handling these materials are so careless, then it seems like it's only a matter of time before something slips through the safety precautions again and gets unleashed into the wild. And that leads to essentially the same scenario: A global pandemic, widespread death, health care failures and a desperate population begging for vaccines. So either way -- whether it's intentional or not -- you essentially get the same result.
    Why a global pandemic is only a matter of time...

    I am on the record stating that a global pandemic is only a matter of time. The living conditions under which humans have placed themselves (crowded cities, suppressed immune systems, etc.) are ideal for the spread of infectious disease. But I never dreamed drug companies could actually be accelerating the pandemic timeline by contaminating vaccine materials with live avian flu viruses known to be highly infectious to humans. This, it seems, is a whole new cause for concern. You can believe what you will. Maybe you agree with the nefarious plot theory and you agree that corporations are capable of great evils in their quest for profits. Or perhaps you can't accept that, so you go with the "accidental contamination" theory, in which your beliefs describe a very dangerous world where biohazard safety protocols are insufficient to protect us from all the crazy viral strains being toyed with at drug companies and government labs all across the world. In either case, the world is not a very safe place when deadly viral strains are placed in the hands of the inept.
    We are like children playing God with Mother Nature, rolling the dice in a global game of Viral Roulette where the odds are not in our favor. With companies like Baxter engaged in behaviors that are just begging to see the human race devastated by a global pandemic wipeout, it might be a good time to question the sanity of using viral strains in vaccines in the first place. Vaccine-pushing scientists are so proud of their vaccines. They think they've conquered Mother Nature. Imagine their surprise when one day they learn they have actually killed 100 million human beings by unleashing a global pandemic. We came close to it this week. A global pandemic may have just been averted by the thinnest of margins. Yet people go on with their lives, oblivious to what nearly happened. What's inescapable at this point is the fact that the threat of a pandemic that looms for all of human civilization, and that drug companies may, themselves, be the source of that threat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    You should be able to download the full pdf here:
    http://d.scribd.com/docs/12j8d2pty5c2uxzazjy9.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭SolarFlash


    I'm not necessarily disputing your information. I'm just hard pressed to find any amount of sources outside of conspiracy sites.

    Are you talking about the radaition aspect or the whole thing, because its been reported on bloomberg. Conspiracy sites, like infowars would be sued if they reported a story like this if it was't true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    SolarFlash wrote: »
    ...because its been reported on bloomberg.

    I'm already aware of Bloomberg's coverage. What about BBC, CNN and RTE?
    SolarFlash wrote: »
    Conspiracy sites, like infowars would be sued if they reported a story like this if it was't true.

    What specific litigation or legislaton are you referring to? Has either of Alex Jones' consortium of sites or broadcasts been sued before?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    SolarFlash wrote: »
    Are you talking about the radaition aspect or the whole thing, because its been reported on bloomberg. Conspiracy sites, like infowars would be sued if they reported a story like this if it was't true.
    People are very quick to dismiss anything that is reported from a Conspiracy site. Just go to post #9 as an example. I would like to know were Alex got the report on instructions not to radiate though. Because, that would be shocking admission of malice intent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    People are very quick to dismiss anything that is reported from a Conspiracy site. Just go to post #9 as an example. I would like to know were Alex got the report on instructions not to radiate though. Because, that would be shocking admission of malice intent.

    Yep, agreed. We're not saying Alex Jones is lieing. Its just that without a knoweldge of what his sources are its as good as hear-say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    That's it? The CEO of a group linked to the company knows Scooter Libby? Ok then even if this wasn't a fairly weak link. Have you anything to suggest that anything unseemly is going on due to this link?
    And how about this link to the Rothchilds?

    Other than the fact that Libby is never up to any good, he represented fellow convicted felon & spy, billionaire Mark Rich, who funnily enough was also given a presidential pardon by Clinton in his last hours of office. The OP was pretty unseemly/
    King Mob wrote: »
    And allegations are made against Bush that he is in fact a reptile.

    And allegation are made about CT disinfo, which that clearly is and your use of it in my opinion goes a good way in proving its objective and its existence.
    King Mob wrote: »
    Seriously you need to back up claims like this.

    Here is a Fox News article, http://www.webdiva.org/fox/ and here is a whole site dedicated to the allegations.
    http://www.thestraights.com/
    King Mob wrote: »
    That's it? The CEO of a group linked to the company knows Scooter Libby? Ok then even if this wasn't a fairly weak link. Have you anything to suggest that anything unseemly is going on due to this link?
    And how about this link to the Rothchilds?
    President Bush on Monday nominated St. Petersburg developer and Republican fundraiser Mel Sembler as president of the Export-Import Bank.
    http://www.sptimes.com/News/022701/Business/Bush_picks_Sembler_fo.shtml

    The Ex-Im bank is a Fed Bank.

    And here is who owns the Fed, the Rothschilds.
    http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

    Also they are public connections between Sembler and Nathaniel Rothschild through a guy called Elliott Broidy, throught the Kennedy center and the Republican Jewish Coalition.

    Broidy & Sembler links:
    The families of Jon Bosse, Alan Casden, Robert Day, Bradford Freeman, Wayne Hughes, Ken Langone, Anthony Pritzker, Lenny Sands, Mel Sembler, Eric Smidt, and Senators Norm Coleman and Joseph Lieberman and New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver all had members on the dinner-committee.
    http://raoulwallenberg.us/elliot-broidy/
    http://www.israeliheritage.com/presidential-conference-2008/broidy/

    The third person mentioned Don Pickles is also an interesting character. He is member of the ultra secretive Council For National Policy (CNP).

    "The Council for National Policy was formed ostensibly to be the conservative alternative to the Council on Foreign Relations"
    http://watch.pair.com/cnp.html
    []Senator Don NicklesNP Board of Governors 1982, member 1984, 1996, 1998; U.S. Senate (R-OK) chairman of the Social Security Subcommittee of the Senate Finance Committee and chairman of the Subcommittee on Energy Research, Development, Production and Regulation, and Assistant Majority Leader; Chairman of the Subcommittee on Government Procurement; 1988 he was elected chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the first Oklahoman since 1942 to serve as a member of the U.S. Senate leadership; is currently serving his second term as Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee. His reelection in 1992 marked him as the only Oklahoman Republican to be reelected to a third term in the United States Senate; a proponent for the free enterprise system and other humanitarian concerns, including world peace;
    ]
    http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.n-pa.htm#nickles



    Also, he is a possible freemason
    He was a member of Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Oklahoma State University,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Nickles
    Many leaders of colonial Virginia were graduates of William and Mary and Freemasons; hence, Freemasonry may have influenced Phi Beta Kappa’s founders. This pattern, drawn from the style and methods of both the Greek Mysteries and its modern day expression, no doubt affected many college fraternities and their approach to initiation as well as to ritual. Certainly this is apparent in Beta Theta Pi.
    http://www.betathetapi.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=73&itemid=257


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Other than the fact that Libby is never up to any good, he represented fellow convicted felon & spy, billionaire Mark Rich, who funnily enough was also given a presidential pardon by Clinton in his last hours of office. The OP was pretty unseemly/
    I don't remember saying Libby wasn't a criminal. But as we all know if you defend a criminal in a court of law you are no better than the criminal.
    How exactly was he involved in the Baxter thing?
    And allegation are made about CT disinfo, which that clearly is and your use of it in my opinion goes a good way in proving its objective and its existence.
    Or it could be the insane ramblings of a man trying to sell books? If only there was a way to separate claims with substance from nonsense.....
    Here is a Fox News article, http://www.webdiva.org/fox/ and here is a whole site dedicated to the allegations.
    http://www.thestraights.com/
    Fox news is suddenly credible now? Should a media outlet that's controlled by the NWO not report some thing like this?
    But there is alot of verifiable evidence to suggest that Straight Inc was a **** place to be. How come it's not being covered up?

    And anyother sources showing the Rothschilds are in control? Say more than one book or one from later than 1976? Or even some evidence to show the Rothchilds actually using this "control" to further NWO plots?
    Also they are public connections between Sembler and Nathaniel Rothschild through a guy called Elliott Broidy, throught the Kennedy center and the Republican Jewish Coalition.
    Cause there is no other reason for these people to be connected other that global conspiracy.

    The third person mentioned Don Pickles is also an interesting character. He is member of the ultra secretive Council For National Policy (CNP).

    "The Council for National Policy was formed ostensibly to be the conservative alternative to the Council on Foreign Relations"
    http://watch.pair.com/cnp.html

    ]
    http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.n-pa.htm#nickles



    Also, he is a possible freemason


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Nickles


    http://www.betathetapi.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=73&itemid=257
    [/QUOTE]Seriously at this stage you're just saying "well he worked for this guy who worked for this company which was partly owned by this company which was headed for a while by a guy who knows a Rothchild."

    Have you any evidence that this vaccine was contaminated on the orders of the NWO?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭Veni Vedi Vici


    A little more info I've come across for anyone following this:
    As published on LifeGen.de (http://www.lifegen.de/newsip/showne…;), serious questions like this are being raised:
    "Baxter International Inc. in Austria ‘unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease’. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic."
    As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf…;):
    "Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features."


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