2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

Gummy Panda

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

We prefer to think of it as an 'attitude adjustment' thank you very much...

So we've given up on ideology re-education as a name? Last suggest i make..

Dodgykeeper

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Maybe not, but we have nothing to be proud of either.

DO we have examples of miscarriges of justice where innocent people were locked up for years for crimes they didnt commit!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

plenty of people locked up for things that shouldn't be crimes in the first place

i'm sick of having to tell the guards I thought she was 18.

Armin_Tamzarian

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

DO we have examples of miscarriges of justice where innocent people were locked up for years for crimes they didnt commit!

Ammmmm, do the McBreartys in Donegal ring any bells?

Don't kid yourself, it happens...

ejmaztec

Mairt wrote: »

But at the heart of the matter there's still an occupation of the six counties, like it or lump it - brush over it all you like, but scratch the surface and thats what you'll find.

And although the people of the south voted away our constitutional claim on the six counties, it was a luxury not afforded to the nationalist population up there.

I'd truely hate to see violence returned to the streets and country side of N.I. but you can bet your life there are people on both sides choming on the bit to get going again, because the cause is still there.

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I think that the loss of cheap shopping would be a higher priority for many down here.

RoundyMooney

Mairt wrote: »

But at the heart of the matter there's still an occupation of the six counties, like it or lump it - brush over it all you like, but scratch the surface and thats what you'll find.

And although the people of the south voted away our constitutional claim on the six counties, it was a luxury not afforded to the nationalist population up there.

I'd truely hate to see violence returned to the streets and country side of N.I. but you can bet your life there are people on both sides choming on the bit to get going again, because the cause is still there.

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One of the causes, definitely. TBH, it's probably the primary motivation among republicans (and hoop wearing chav goons) down here, as opposed to over the border, where the issue was a much more pressing one of inequality and bigotry applied by the establishment, as opposed to the desire for a united Ireland.

It is there of course, I agree with you totally. Like Gerry's IRA of the late nineties, it "hasn't gone away you know".

What we'll probably see in the short term (recession driven again, to a point) is civil disobedience on a larger scale than has been seen for years.

Organised terrorism with political backing (however veiled)? I certainly hope not.

Trying to find a silver lining to this whole sorry situation, from a PDF perspective, at least the border patrols might remain a while longer now

RoundyMooney

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

DO we have examples of miscarriges of justice where innocent people were locked up for years for crimes they didnt commit!

I can give you plenty of examples where guilty people weren't, for a start.

Biggins

rarnes1 wrote: »

They will be caught easily I'd imagine.
The problem is, are there many more willing to commit similar acts?

There will always be the warped and sick twisted minds that can only see as far as the length of their gun barrels.
Thankfully, their numbers are very few. They can shoot, run and hide like the murdering cowards they are but they are indeed very, very few in number.

The other 99.9% of the country has more brains, kop-on and initiative to bring about their desired wishes by peaceful means than by just picking up a weapon, shooting and running away in the dark!

Dudess

RoundyMooney wrote: »

I thought that was our little secret.

By the way, "more" is not a good safety word

You Youghal boys - just... FILTHY!!!

lostexpectation

CSC wrote: »

Really shocking watching the Sky News. I was under the impression though that all British soldiers had left NI.

well no but most mainland soldiers gone i think,, the people shot were probably native to NI

GhostInTheRuins

Why were these special forces recently deployed up there in the first place?

Biggins

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Why were these special forces recently deployed up there in the first place?

Maybe, ...just maybe because if there is still weapons (which now there clearly is!) out there in dissident hands, then such 'special forces' would be needed to go in and gather the weapons, not your average on the street cop?

As even Gerry said "they have not gone away" so keeping even a small number of a specialised force wouldn't be irrational given the types of weapons the scumbags would have close to hand and only too willing to use given their sick, warped minds and twisted way of thinking.

England has its Armed Response units, Southern Ireland has the same as well as more specialised trained secret military trained units.
What would make any of the 6 northern counties any different less so, given the weapons that are/might be up there still.
Of course there has to be even a token presence of a specialised unit. NOT to have one there would be utter stupidity!

Armin_Tamzarian

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Why were these special forces recently deployed up there in the first place?

Apparantly it was due to an "increased threat level from certain dangerous individuals (i.e. dissident Republicans)" or some such...

Border-Rat

Biggins wrote: »

In the last few days there has been words mentioned in the media elsewhere that dissident republicans were still out there and still a danger.


Far as I'm concerned they, the dissident's can sod off!
99.9% of this country - the whole country has moved on and ONLY wants peace.
Sod off you utter murdering scum.

I apologise to the forum for the strong sentiment - it's something I feel strongly about.

You can't have it both ways. One minute your type disowns us. Now when you get a chance to cry you come out swinging pointing the finger. I thought what we did up here was none of your business?

RoundyMooney

Border-Rat wrote: »

You can't have it both ways. One minute your type disowns us. Now when you get a chance to cry you come out swinging pointing the finger. I thought what we did up here was none of your business?

Are you identifying yourself as a dissident?

Border-Rat

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Are you identifying yourself as a dissident?

Umm, no. The person I quoted identified the region/s (Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland) as a single state/Country.

RoundyMooney

Border-Rat wrote: »

Umm, no. The person I quoted identified the region/s (Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland) as a single state/Country.

No. Biggins was referring to republican dissidents, extremists if you will.

Not the whole population of the six counties.

reggiethefirst

RoundyMooney wrote: »

No. Biggins was referring to republican dissidents, extremists if you will.

Not the whole population of the six counties.

I believe he is referring to Biggins use of the term "the whole country."

Border-Rat

RoundyMooney wrote: »

No. Biggins was referring to republican dissidents, extremists if you will.

Not the whole population of the six counties.

He said 99% of the Country do not agree with these actions. The majority view on this board is that Northern Ireland is a seperate Country. This attack did not happen in the Republic of Ireland. Perhaps he could elaborate.

Biggins

Border-Rat wrote: »

You can't have it both ways. One minute your type disowns us. Now when you get a chance to cry you come out swinging pointing the finger. I thought what we did up here was none of your business?

..and whats my type?

A peace loving parent that believes killing is not the answer is what I am.
Well I am sorry, when it comes to cowardly acts or shooting, murdering and scurrying away like rats in the dark, I'm proud to say that no matter what side of a peaceful political agenda I am on, no matter what country I live in, borders to me don't exist when it comes to caring for my fellow man and maintaining an advantageous PEACEFUL way of changing things and getting them done.

If you don't like that, go back and crawl down into a hole!

Border-Rat

Border-Rat wrote: »

He said 99% of the Country do not agree with these actions. The majority view on this board is that Northern Ireland is a seperate Country. This attack did not happen in the Republic of Ireland. Perhaps he could elaborate.

You a relation of Dessie's ?

RoundyMooney

Maybe he could. However, expressing revulsion on behalf of the whole country (island of Ireland, presumably), isn't the same as coming "out swinging pointing the finger".

Border-Rat

Biggins wrote: »

..and whats my type?

A peace loving parent that believes killing is not the answer is what I am.
Well I am sorry, when it comes to cowardly acts or shooting, murdering and scurrying away like rats in the dark,

Wait a minute, you call walking, on foot, through the front gate of a military barracks with automatic weapons cowardly? Especially with heightened SAS activity, who like to hide in bushes in such ambushes? And yes, the SAS have been 'up here' for Months now.

I'm proud to say that no matter what side of a peaceful political agenda I am on, no matter what country I live in, borders to me don't exist when it comes to caring for my fellow man and maintaining an advantageous PEACEFUL way of changing things and getting them done.

If you don't like that, go back and crawl down into a hole!

I don't like hypocrites. If you consider the region part of Ireland, then you're entitled to your opinion.

Orizio

I consider killing people for no reason other then create yet another spiral of violence whilst masquarading as pizzamen an act of exceeding cowardice, yes. Most humane people would.

Gummy Panda

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Are you identifying yourself as a dissident?

A lot of his posts show dissident views or strong british hatred

Biggins

Border-Rat wrote: »

Wait a minute, you call walking, on foot, through the front gate of a military barracks with automatic weapons cowardly? Especially with heightened SAS activity, who like to hide in bushes in such ambushes? And yes, the SAS have been 'up here' for Months now.

..and we don't have our own equally specialised quiet military units as well for our own 26 counties?
I'd be more shocked if the SAS wasn't up there!
What is it with you? They are allowed to exist in the main soil of Britian but they don't have your permission to come across to a territory still under rule by the same government (weather we like it our not)?
THAT is hypocrisy and the prior issues referred to also shows how little you know about our own forces, capabilities, military intelligence and units alone.

Border-Rat wrote: »

I don't like hypocrites. If you consider the region part of Ireland, then you're entitled to your opinion.

O' thanks very much. I have your permission to talk now do I?
Dear me, I thought we could speak freely in our country - in any modern country! Pardon me your highness.

Your name suits you. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.
You are very few in number - don't fool yourself.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i do not think that word means what you think it means.

Orizio wrote: »

I consider killing people for no reason other then create yet another spiral of violence whilst masquarading as pizzamen an act of exceeding cowardice, yes. Most humane people would.

Local-womanizer

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Why were these special forces recently deployed up there in the first place?

They assist the PSNI in invstigations.

Absolute disgrace.These men(the soliders)are only doing a job.Think of how their families must feel:(

Orizio

Captain Mords Spiced Bum wrote: »

i do not think that word means what you think it means.

If your going to make a remark like that, any chance you could elaborate?

Mairt

Mairt wrote: »

By putting special forces or the ground in N.I. ?.

While I utterly condemn the murder of anyone, and as a soldier myself I mourne the loss of a fellow soldier (even in a foreign army) but putting a special recce regt back on the ground in N.I. was always going to be a stupid, dangerous and ultimately costly move.

Like almost every one else on this forum I dread a return to 'the troubles', but I wonder have the British Establishment mis-read the Irish question again!.

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With the increasing number of attacks by dissidents on the PSNI, it isnt out of the blue for special recce to be deployed. Sure in the last year alone there have been RPG attacks, shootings and IED threats (last month a 300lb car bomb was defused).

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Border-Rat

Biggins wrote: »

..and we don't have our own equally specialised quiet military units as well for our own 26 counties?

Aye, the ARW. Set up and trained by the British specifically for the purpose of putting down Provos, or murdering fellow Irishmen, after it was revealed the Irish Army could even deal with a single ASU even while surrounding them with two light tanks.

I'd be more shocked if the SAS wasn't up there!
What is it with you? They are allowed to exist in the main soil of Britian but they don't have your permission to come across to a territory still under rule by the same government (weather we like it our not)?

Well its simple. Whilst in England, the SAS are at ease. Whilst in the 6, they are deployed under a military operation. (Its called Operation Helvetic, in case you were wondering).

THAT is hypocrisy and the prior issues referred to also shows how little you know about our own forces, capabilities, military intelligence and units alone.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'our' forces...

O' thanks very much. I have your permission to talk now do I?
Dear me, I thought we could speak freely in our country! Pardon me your highness.

Aye sure, I mean don't mind me...

Pride Fighter

Not this again. The perpetrators should be hung.

Local-womanizer

Border-Rat wrote: »

Aye, the ARW. Set up and trained by the British specifically for the purpose of putting down Provos, or murdering fellow Irishmen, after it was revealed the Irish Army could even deal with a single ASU even while surrounding them with two light tanks.

Are you saying the ARW where set up and trained by the British?

http://www.military.ie/army/ranger/history.htm

AFAIK they dont work with the brits.One of the mods from the military forum would know more about this.

How anybody,even with all the sh1te surronding a situation,can think it is "alright" for someone to be murdered is beyond me.....

Crann na Beatha

This post has been deleted.

Border-Rat

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Are you saying the ARW where set up and trained by the British?

http://www.military.ie/army/ranger/history.htm

This is ridiculous. Just ask yourself, why would the worst army in Europe have one of Europes finest Special Forces? And I'll tell you one thing - its not through fear of Loyalists.

AFAIK they dont work with the brits.One of the mods from the military forum would know more about this.

They do work with Brits. Do or at least have had.

Biggins

Border-Rat: I could knit-pick away at your points and you could return all night and day to do same again in return...

Truth is, you clearly know feck all about a lot of things and are still living in the past, both in methods to go about gaining ones agenda and in methods of modern thinking, processing and comprehending about how things should be done, how to do it and how to gain the support of the populace with you.

Thankfully the rest of the modern world is at least trying to get away from your level of mentation and low comprehension.
Your a dying breed - and the sooner rats die off, the better!

Dave!

F*cking morons, the Brits have been pulling troops out over the last few years, the watch towers being dismantled, etc., and then these gobsh*tes do this.

They don't believe in anything, they want to keep the Brits here so that they'll have something to f*cking complain about.

Local-womanizer

Border-Rat wrote: »

This is ridiculous. Just ask yourself, why would the worst army in Europe have one of Europes finest Special Forces? And I'll tell you one thing - its not through fear of Loyalists.

Because they followed the training module set out by the US Rangers.Obviously a SF unit will have the best of the best in it,resources and time etc. aswell of personnel.

Smaller concentration of troops in refined training of higher intensity is going to yield better results.

Border-Rat

Dave! wrote: »

F*cking morons, the Brits have been pulling troops out over the last few years, the watch towers being dismantled, etc., and then these gobsh*tes do this.

Perhaps you should keep up with the situation. 'Operation Banner' may have ended, but its replacement quietly commenced in 2007. 'Operation Helvetic' permits british troops to enter and leave the region in any number they please, at any time. Search any house without a warrant etc.

I think you'll find there are almost as many troops here as there are in Afghanistan.

javaboy

Biggins wrote: »

If you don't like that, go back and crawl down into a hole!

Biggins wrote: »

Your name suits you. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.

Biggins wrote: »

Thankfully the rest of the modern world is at least trying to get away from your level of mentation and low comprehension.
Your a dying breed - and the sooner rats die off, the better!

Cut it out or you're going in the hole.

Local-womanizer

Border-Rat wrote: »

Perhaps you should keep up with the situation. 'Operation Banner' may have ended, but its replacement quietly commenced in 2007. 'Operation Helvetic' permits british troops to enter and leave the region in any number they please, at any time. Search any house without a warrant etc.

I think you'll find there are almost as many troops here as there are in Afghanistan.

You should stop posting now:rolleyes:

The Brits are obviously needed here as some scumbags still are holding illegal weapons.They are nothing but scum,ruining the lives of the hard working people in the north:mad:

Border-Rat

Border-Rat wrote: »

Perhaps you should keep up with the situation. 'Operation Banner' may have ended, but its replacement quietly commenced in 2007. 'Operation Helvetic' permits british troops to enter and leave the region in any number they please, at any time. Search any house without a warrant etc.

I think you'll find there are almost as many troops here as there are in Afghanistan.

:eek:

Biggins

javaboy wrote: »

Cut it out or you're going in the hole.

No worries Javaboy.
There is no talking to someone anyway who's mental process of thinking is like a horse wearing blinkers.
Can only see one way.
I will continue this discussion with others, if they are of a more open minded and peaceful nature - no matter what side of the political peaceful fence they sit on.
I'm done with this 'person'.

Local-womanizer

rarnes1 wrote: »

:eek:

I was thinking the same!5000 troops in NI!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5128276.stm

javaboy

Biggins wrote: »

I'm done with this 'person'.

Why the quotes?

2-D Man

As a northern resident I can tell you this was only a matter of time.

Yesterday myself and a friend were walking through Queens and said it was only a matter of time before somebody was killed.

Republicans are becoming restless with the slow progress and number of well trained ex-IRA men have defected to this new ONH group, who by all accounts, seem a lot more proffesional than the idiots in CIRA/RIRA.

http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2009/02/17/

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

can you report posts for general twattery?

Border-Rat

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I was thinking the same!5000 troops in NI!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5128276.stm

There are more than 5,000 troops in 'NI'. They can move in and out freely at will, there is no longer an established quota for them. Since early 2008 their numbers have increased. There are around 8,000 in Afghanistan. Funnily enough, the Afghans don't want them there, either.

Biggins

javaboy wrote: »

Why the quotes?

Because I'm being polite again (or at least trying) and biting my tongue.
Appreciate you allowing me to speak my mind so far.