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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    By the by, on the subject of Natos and having worn them since the 90's one bit of advice I'd offer is to protect the caseback from "nato burn" where the pressure/wear of the nylon strap can and does wear marks into the steel(even leather can do this). They go remarkably deep when they occur and can set in pretty quickly too. What I've been doing for years to stop this is to apply tape just over the width of the strap onto the caseback that. I usually use surgical tape as it's sticky but too sticky and has some grain and padding to it(plus it's designed not to irritate skin). A pic paints a thousand words so...
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,265 ✭✭✭MiCr0


    With the black nato (and my elder daughters curtains)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭daingeanrob


    today I wore my seamaster f300hz. my favourite of all my watches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭daingeanrob


    one for today, a speedmaster automatic, wears well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭fulladapipes


    one for today, a speedmaster automatic, wears well

    Nice - is that 40mm??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭daingeanrob


    Nice - is that 40mm??

    cheers, it's not the full 40mm, it's about 38mm (ruler measurement)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    38mm? Clearly D it's too tiny for you to wear without embarrassment. I can take it off your hands if you like? :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭daingeanrob


    cheers 38mm is small but it does stand out, wears very well. very comfortable watch. todays offering for the thread is my "exam" watch. this watch my daughter got me so I wear it to exams for luck, the only watch I ever got as a gift. it's a limited edition sekonda quartz watch celebrating 100 years of shankly. terrible watch, not the best timekeeper , but I suppose it's rarely on my wrist


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,276 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    wearing this today
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  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭GEO147


    That JLC is lovely. What model is it pray tell?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,276 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    GEO147 wrote: »
    That JLC is lovely. What model is it pray tell?

    Master compressor chrono 1 :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Damn C that is gorge. *jealous* :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭CarltonBrowne


    It's going to take me a while to write this one up but I can't help myself and you've seen it here first. I believe it to be exceptionally rare but it needs quite a bit more research - seems like Revue Thommen were the fourth musketeer.
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    Sold as a runner, which it isn't. Grrrrrr. Not planning on sending it back though and I think I know somebody who can fix it redface.png.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ohhhhh *leans forward in armchair in excitement* Hmmmm being very cryptic there CB. *puts on deerstalker and jams pipe in mouth*...

    OK It has Quartz(module) writ large on the dial. This would suggest an early fecker, when such a thing was something to be advertised and loudly. The case design screams early 70's which would tie right in. The "Fourth musketeer" may be the clincher. Would it by any chance have this under the bonnet?
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    A Girard Perregaux GP35X series quartz(from my own GP*). The template for all analogue quartz' to follow? The "Fourth musketeer" leads me to believe that on top of GP, JLC and Favre-Leuba this Revue is the incredibly rare Fourth maker to utilise GP's quartz module?

    The only thing that skews it though is that Breitling also used GP350 series movements in a few very rare examples, so that would make this the fifth musketeer and even rarer again.

    Or I have it completely and utterly arseways. :D



    *the incredibly eagle eyed and preternaturally anal will have spotted the springbars ain't original cos they're not curved. Don't worry I have them and the original GP lizard strap and buckle. Being preternaturally anal as I am. :o

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭CarltonBrowne


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Ohhhhh *leans forward in armchair in excitement* ..........

    Or I have it completely and utterly arseways. :D

    Give that man a coconut - spotto bollicko.


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    I've done a bit more of a write-up here.
    http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?300250-Incoming-early-G-P-352-quartz-but-from-a-4th-maker-Revue-%28MSR%29


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh my feckin gawd. :eek: I was wondering did the main plate have GP, but no it's "in house". :) Same regulator as on my GP example(which I've only seen on non GP ones JLC/FL). The quartz capsule is unusual I think? Smaller. Doesn't look like a replacement though so more gooey uniqueness. From your description on TZ, it sounds like the quartz is OK, the circuit is probably OK and the issue is in the stepping motor/mechanical bits? Over the years I've read of a number of them on the bay/forums acting like this. Here's one currently on the bay doing kinda similar. Maybe it was working and the trip in the post put the kibosh on it? I'd be shocked if it couldn't be fixed. The crown/setting mechanism on these can cause trouble. Again there's a couple of ones on the bay going for feck all if a donor was required.

    BTW I know it's silly CB and you've likely done this after you got it, but did you change the battery? I only say this because I would reckon that at least half of my ebay/overseas quartz purchases over the years acted the maggot when they first arrived. An Omega lost and then gained up to 20 seconds every few hours when the seller swore blind it was working. Stuck a new battery in and it worked flawlessly. Had a seiko digital that worked intermittently and again new battery and fine. Ditto for a near new marathon and a few others besides. In most cases the batteries they came with were new too. I was convinced that the air travel stuck in a ryanair hold or whatever buggered the batteries in some way.

    The case might be GP as you reckon. A few years back(when you could buy them for literally buttons) I had a GP one in gold plate and the case looked uncannily similar to yours. I'll try and dig up a pic from my old hard drive collections. Though IIRC it was a later one. It's hard to date these IMH. The IC date is when it may have been put together or that part was, but I've seen ones with say a 73 date, but with a later personal inscription on the back when it was most likely sold. Actually I think there's one like that on the bay as we speak.

    It may be technically the fifth Beatle though, as Breitling apparently used these movements for a time in their Chronomat 9108, though have never seen the actual Brietling stamped movement so...
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    They're rare, well not that rare, they do show up every six months or so. Yours is as rare as unicorn poop. Really great find sir. :)

    I have a feeling I saw this very watch on the bay. We seem to have similar search parameters. You get the fancier stuff though. :D

    BTW CB as a stop gap I have a 22mm Hadley roma Nato strap you're welcome to. Nice quality, softer nylon black with white stitching.



    EDIT Yep I did have it in my watch list, but then some barsteward went and bought it. :D TBH it was the GP350 search that brought it up, but I didn't even spot its crazy rarity even when I was looking at straight in the face. Doh! Great to see someone like you got it though. :) And I see you did change the battery. Feck. ah well.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Being an early quartz nerd I don't mind admitting this is genuinely exciting for me CB. :o And that someone we know has a good shot at rewriting the history of that time makes it even cooler. More than a good shot with it. IMHO it couldn't be anymore honest an example.

    They're simply too reasonable a price these days for any fakers to bother. Now if it was a 70's military issued Rolex Sub with day/date and pepsi bezel I'd be hovering on the ban button. :D

    For the non saddos out there not like me, this is a really important find. It just shows that even now the bay can cough up something of real importance and for a bargain with it.

    Though it's funny how ebay pics can differ from reality. That's why I only vaguely recognised it after a while and didn't remember it in my watch list.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭CarltonBrowne


    Many thanks for the kind offer of the strap. It'll be a few weeks before it'll be in a position to wear so that gives me a little time to scout around for options; some of which may be determined by which OEM buckles I can lay my hands on. I'm about to embark on a holiday, the first 2-3 days of which will be in Bologna, and I'll be interested to see if anybody is selling Revue Thommen there. I've always been partial to the Bellini range from Cousins and there are bespoke options (e.g. grey alligator) from Peter Watch Acc in Bangkok or even cork from the horological museum in Portugal (very good value and, this reminds me, I must write that up).

    Also many thanks for posting the reference for the Breitling - that threw up pictures which I hadn't managed before. Interesting that there's no movement picture to be seen anywhere and, even more horrifically, I found a picture of one on a replica site :eek:. Christ on a bike.

    I hopefully have a few days to draft something to Pieter Doensen and I suppose I should buy his book. I'm curious about what Revue will say, if anything - they've changed hands/remodeled their business a couple of times since and do not appear, for example, to have a museum.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yea the case for Breitling is up in the air. Like you say odd there are no movement pics. And I've looked. That model isn't particularly rare. I've seen them come up on the bay every so often and even there you get no pics of movements. Then again the quartz stuff in general more often than not leaves out any pics. Maybe the uninitiated see them as lesser and a minus point for sales? They were always way outa my "can't afford more than 200 quid" price bracket so never actually won one.

    In defence of the Breitling angle, the size is correct for that movement, the font for the date is the same or very similar, they didn't have their own in house quartz at the time and they were going downhill fast economically so developing one would have been out. So at that time what movement could they have bought in? The GP is an obvious one, though I'd suggest another possibility; the LIP quartz movement. Breitling already had extensive connections with LIP in France and a few of their models were sold through the LIP foodchain and had LIP on the dials. LIP were also in real trouble, so would have been cheaper than GP. The size would match too. I suppose we'll never know unless someone gets their hands on one and breaks out the spanners. *EDIT* you do read that the LIP movement was/is rare and only produced for under a year. More internet musings repeated enough to be come "fact" IMH. On any day of the week on ebay.fr you usually get 5 or 6 of them for sale and usually working too. They seem v robust but hardly rare. GP's aren't exactly rare by this measure either. Well I've seen figures of 50,000 GP350 movements made and sold over nearly a decade, again not particularly rare. JLC versions come up regularly enough, a couple a month, FL ones are rarities though and yours is well, unknown(to the interweb anyway).

    On your Revue. I noticed a couple of details. The seconds hand is identical to the GP ones. The indices are identical to some in the GP range. The case? I couldn't find a pic of the GP one I had that was similar, though I did find a strap I'd used with it and it was 18mm not 22mm like yours. The case might be by GP(or their casemaker) though the caseback isn't very GP. The main case and especially the non finished machining marks under the crown is very GP. It's a real outlier.

    BTW is it my eyes or are the hour and especially the minute hand askew? The latter looks jammed against the 9 indice. Maybe the issue you have is that they got a shock in transit and need to be reseated? Just going by the pics on the original page on the bay it does look like the watch was running.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Since we're talking of early Quartz and Girard Perregaux movements here's mine(mind you not nearly as cool or rare as CB's :)).
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    1973 according to the date code on the Motorola chip that controls things. When the movement was built anyway. The early version of the chip is in a ceramic housing with a golden plate, the later is black like we'd see today.

    Very interesting movement these. The other Swiss makers got together to come up with a quartz movement but this was an independent effort from Girard Perregaux. As it turned out the Swiss and Japanese early designs didn't have legs, but this GP design did. Though it looks odd to modern eyes, as a standard it is the origin point of pretty much all analogue quartz movements that followed it. It was simpler to build, utilised a stepping motor to drive the hands and set the standard for quartz frequency of 32,768 Hz, a good trade off between accuracy and power usage(Some Omegas ran at really high speeds but required battery changes every 6 months). IIIRC the earlier GP quartz were made from natural quartz, rather than synthetic.

    What's very cool about it is they didn't use jewels as bearings but instead used teflon. These teflon bearings never need oiling. Jewels in a quartz movement are a little silly because of the forces involved, but people equate jewels with extra value and luxury so sadly this was never taken up by other makers.

    It has tritium on the dial, but funny enough no T markings. Accuracy wise it's OK. Runs about a second a day slow, but they can be regulated to much better accuracy. Prices? They do come up for under 200 quid(outside of crazy dealer prices) but make sure it's a runner. This is muy importante for any early quartz. Otherwise you'll be adding at least a service or hunting for donor parts from cannibalising another. They made nigh on 50,000 movements apparently so one will show up but again you're looking at adding to the cost. Also take care changing the battery. Ideally get an earthing strap as integrated circuits from this time are not happy around static. Still getting an important stage in the history of personal timekeeping from a really heavy hitting maker like Girard Perregaux for a couple of hundred odd quid is a steal IMH. Consider this; when these were new an Omega Speedmaster cost about 80 dollars, these were closer to 400.

    I have the original lizard strap for it, which is nice(if too big for me like 90% of straps).
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    It also retains its original curved and really heavy duty springbars which are kinda cool
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    Of course it's on a Nato(with patented no scratchbackcasetape(c) :D). The colour is a near exact match for the dial.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭CarltonBrowne


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I have the original lizard strap for it, which is nice(if too big for me like 90% of straps).

    That's lovely but I'm not sure that the NATO does it justice (though the blue is a good choice). Surely you can find a shorter lizard and then just swap the buckles round? As a matter of interest what size are the lugs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭CarltonBrowne


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    I appear to be on fire at the moment. Picked up in a junk shop in Bologna for, wait for it...








































































































































    €10. Couldn't get out of the shop quick enough even though the shop owner wanted to root through his collection of batteries so that he could find the right one. I'm obviously not actually wearing it - it goes between not working and gaining 10 minutes every 30 (and, yes, I realise that I shouldn't have wound it). Some of the scratches on the back look rather fresh so I suspect that the shop probably made an attempt at opening it but gave up. Fixed bars still intact and all of the numbers on the back add up to the magic 5000 and include the P that is correct for Cyma. I feel that there's no doubting my WIS credentials given that I had a copy of the Adrian van der Meijden WWW articles cached in Dropbox on my phone and accessible within a couple of minutes.
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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That's lovely but I'm not sure that the NATO does it justice (though the blue is a good choice). Surely you can find a shorter lizard and then just swap the buckles round? As a matter of interest what size are the lugs?
    The lugs on this type are 18mm(going down to 14mm buckle). Actually AFAIR CB any of the GP's 35x's I've had/seen were 18mm at the lugs. That balances with this design that curves to the lugs, but with the other shapes 18mm is a bit narrow. Your Revue being 22mm makes it a lot more "modern" looking IMHO.

    I know what you mean about the nato, though it looks better in the flesh. Less dressy, more spacey. I actually have a short(110mm/70mm) leather in 18mm but it's still uncomfortable and the watch head sits arseways on the wrist(falls off towards the little finger side of my wrist if you know what I mean). It's not just small, I've just got a really awkward gammy wrist shape. I reckon I'd need a custom strap, though in what length I don't know. The original G strap was for a giant of a man going by the length.
    I appear to be on fire at the moment.
    Ohhh that is a nice one.
    Picked up in a junk shop in Bologna for, wait for it...
    No way.
    €10.
    Banned. For life. :D
    Couldn't get out of the shop quick enough even though the shop owner wanted to root through his collection of batteries so that he could find the right one. I'm obviously not actually wearing it - it goes between not working and gaining 10 minutes every 30 (and, yes, I realise that I shouldn't have wound it). Some of the scratches on the back look rather fresh so I suspect that the shop probably made an attempt at opening it but gave up. Fixed bars still intact and all of the numbers on the back add up to the magic 5000 and include the P that is correct for Cyma. I feel that there's no doubting my WIS credentials given that I had a copy of the Adrian van der Meijden WWW articles cached in Dropbox on my phone and accessible within a couple of minutes.
    No doubting them at all. Really nice catch. :) Given the location god knows the history behind that dial.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Thanks CB. I've just read a little about those watches. Amazing history and a great find for yourself.
    If that watch could talk just imagine the story it could tell.

    With a love of old watches comes a love of history.
    Thanks for sharing. (Now for more research)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭TomCo


    Picked up a gold ladies "trench" watch on ebay for €12.
    The gold in the case is probably worth more than that.

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    Cosmetic condition is really good, but unfortunately it doesn't run. Half way through tearing it down I found that the balance staff was broken. Don't have the tools to fix that sort of thing :(

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭TomCo


    Not a great photo, but a nice NOS Raketa 2906.HA.
    I wanted to get a nice brown strap with white stitching but I settled for a fairly cheap dark brown leather one.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭mondeo


    I had a spare €82 laying around so I bought this. It has a japanese movement and nice red stitching in the leather strap. I think it's a lovely looking watch with an unusual disc chronograph. I'm very pleased with it aestethicaly and it' keeping good time so far.
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    Little update: I removed that paper factory sticker at the back to reveal the movement identification marks. Eventually it would peel of anyways.
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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Though I have another Lip Quartz example this is my new and long wanted addition. :)

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    A 1975 Lip Mach 2000 "Moon", designed by Roger Tallon, in anodised aluminium, running Lip's in house quartz the R33 calibre. Pretty rare. Only in production for a year, if that. Not easily found, never mind in working order. This one is the only one I've ever seen that has indices on the inner chrome bezel.

    It looks HUGE on my wrist in that shot, but in reality it wears really well. Slightly better shot:
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    Yep it's on a G10(ye can all feck off :D), but in this case I truly think it works and works well. TBH I actually had the strap in preparation long before I got the watch... :o

    Better yet, I lost out on a not so great condition one a few months ago and thought "ah well" I had lusted after this particular watch on a properly fantastic early quartz/electronic/you gotta check out his stuff guru's website for ages. I'm not kidding. I had him saved as an ebay seller from a good way back and what do I see one day? Only the very bloody watch I've lusted after. It had been up for a while(no accounting for taste), so I made the chap an offer(which I thought was a bit cheeky TBH) and the man from the interwebs said YES! :D As it turns out he was a really lovely bloke to deal with which adds to it.

    Even if in a month it runs two days slow and leaks battery acid on my wrist and tries to throttle me as I sleep, I'd still be a happy bunny. :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭m4r10


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Though I have another Lip Quartz example this is my new and long wanted addition. :)

    Nice one. I think I had this watch on my watch list as well, is the seller from Poland?
    If yes, I thought of submitting an offer but was afraid of getting ridiculed :mad:

    If you ever feel the need to flip it, I call first dibs!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yep the very man and the very watch on the site. And if I ever feel the need to flip you've got first refusal. :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Here's my latest watch that most of you will hate! It's a SevenFriday P2-2.

    It has a whopping 47mm case, but as the 28mm strap attaches directly to the case without lugs, it wears a little bit smaller. Photos also make it look a little bigger too.

    The build quality is very good across the board, and it's surprisingly readable. The exposed balance wheel and rotating seconds dial are a nice touch.

    The crown (not screw-down unfortunately) doesn't stick out that much, so it doesn't dig into my hand and it's quite comfortable to wear. The strap is leather but has a slight rubber look and feel to it.

    Build quality and innovation/originality aside, it's hard not to feel like it looks like a fashion watch you'd pick up in a clothes shop.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Northern Monkey


    I was thinking about that very watch this morning! If I was to buy one it would be that colour combo, but I think I would need a 78 trans am in black with gold decals (the smokey and the bandit car)to set it off properly:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    I was thinking about that very watch this morning! If I was to buy one it would be that colour combo, but I think I would need a 78 trans am in black with gold decals (the smokey and the bandit car)to set it off properly:D

    If you're in Dublin you're welcome to try it on. The watch that is, can't help with the car. You can print off a lifesize cut out of their watches on their site which might help you get an idea of how it'll wear on the wrist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,871 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    Don't think it would be me but fair play for trying something different

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭CarltonBrowne


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Though I have another Lip Quartz example this is my new and long wanted addition. :)

    Yep it's on a G10

    That's absolutely excellent and the strap is a really, really good match. I'm glad I'm not the only one who buys straps, bracelets and buckles in the expectation that some future use will come up, some day.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'm glad I'm not the only one who buys straps, bracelets and buckles in the expectation that some future use will come up, some day.
    Well we'll be in adjoining rubber rooms anyway. :DI actually have the same design only in red and black in the event I could only source one of the 80's reissues and in black and white in case the 70's electronic one came up. :o:o

    It's a very light watch with its aluminium case. Swatch light, even though it's big. Not nearly as well built feeling as an earlier Lip Nautic for example and no way would you mistake it for a GP. I've held the chrono version and it was heavier, steel case IIRC, but again didn't feel like an expensive watch, though all the pressings and joints are very tight. The original rubber straps and metal bracelets were rubbish too. If I was to compare it to a non watch ethos I'd describe it as an IKEA watch. It's designed, works and works well, but it ain't Chippendale.

    When it was being made there were interesting times on the labour relations front. Very 1970's and French. It represents both Lip's brave move in hiring outside designers and the financial knife edge they were on at the time. The fact they could come up with an inhouse quartz at that stage is very impressive too. The reissues and the current brand new examples are definitely more substantial. Though to be fair when the original quartz (and electric)models of the time do show up, as rare as that may be, they're nearly always runners which says a lot. Time keeping is pretty good. Loses two seconds a day and no doubt work with the trimmer would fettle that. The hack function is haphazard and vague though.

    By god does it get noticed by civilians. I've never had a watch come close on that score. It's been commented on half a dozen times already.

    I'm soooo glad I got it :).

    PS I'm thinking one of those cork straps like yours made to measure would look damn good on my GP.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Better pic of the LIP after I dug out my tripod and took my time. :o
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    Better view of the dial and indices on the chrome bezel bit(which so far from my long searches are unique on all the versions, electrique, mechanical or quartz of this model). You can see the day wheel doesn't quite line up(neither does the indices) and the printing on both day and date isn't "luxury". Like I said IKEA watch. :) TBH I still love it because of these details and the history it represents.

    Got a better pic of my GP too. The diff in qualitaaay to the eye and hand is very evident. It's got more quality heft than my Omega Quartz of the era too. Though at the time the price gulf between the LIP and the GP(or Omega) was wide.
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    I had noticed regular patches of condensation concentrated above the GP logo and the tritium markers under the crystal if off my wrist for a few days. :eek: I've had this before with trit. Depending on the bonding agent it can be very hygroscopic. Attracts moisture like salt. It's why with some colour dial finishes you get degradation around the tritium markers, like the blue of this dial. So caseback off, stuck in a bag of that moisture gel stuff and left in the hot press for a few days. Didn't solve it. So next step was strip the whole thing down into the main component parts and dry them out that way. Info on the interwebs is scant enough for this movement, especially around the stem removal procedure. I have read the keyless works in these can be tricky, but in the end found it easy enough. The trick I found was to hold the crown in while undoing the release screw as otherwise it pops the crown into its different positions as you loosen it. Stupidly didn't take pics of the procedure. Still, after it was all done and I had a stiff drink, before, during and after it worked. Clear crystal, no condensation, now dry as a witches tit as they say. :)

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    Hi

    Got my Helvetia back from Mr Swift.

    He fixed the broken Minute Hand, replaced the seconds sub dial hand and relumed the Hour and Minute hand and did a service.....

    All for £57.......Amazing

    I have it on a Brown German Leather Flieger strap, but its a bit thick and I am not sure about it.

    I was thinking of a NATO, maybe olive green? any suggestions


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Mredsnapper


    Hi

    Got my Helvetia back from Mr Swift.

    He fixed the broken Minute Hand, replaced the seconds sub dial hand and relumed the Hour and Minute hand and did a service.....

    All for £57.......Amazing

    I have it on a Brown German Leather Flieger strap, but its a bit thick and I am not sure about it.

    I was thinking of a NATO, maybe olive green? any suggestions

    Looks lovely. Strap looks nice from this angle too imho.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Wow DT. Just wow. :eek: Your watch looks bloody fantastic. I know it's me and NATOs but they do look good on those type of watches. A leather one works really well. This 'Bay dude does some very nice full custom jobs for around 30 quid.

    As for Mr Swift, he is a true gentleman, a real expert, craftsman and unbelievably reasonable with it. He couldn't have a better recommendation than your watch. I dunno how he does it TBH, but we should be all glad a guy like him is around.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Mredsnapper


    Boccia Bund arrived after a WTB on TZ-UK and while I was initially disappointed by the dial and the lack of luminescence on the hands (well I was comparing to my Speedy) I have now grown rather attached to it. It's just so comfortable to wear, the size is perfect, it's quartz accurate (6 seconds in 8 days) and I know that I can just replace the movement with an other Miyota if anything ever goes wrong.

    It came on a Eulit Bund but I felt it made the watch too high. Doesn't work very well on Nato because the (drilled) lugs are recessed but I think it looks great on an old Hirsch Liberty. I also have a Maratac composite on order from ebay.

    Initially this was meant to be a weekend watch, but I like it so much that I'll probably end up wearing it much more often than that.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Nice catch sir. :) +1 on Hirsch strap M. I think it looks much better than on the BUND strap. I find the BUND strap awkward myself. I've tried them on a couple of watches, but like you say the watch sits too high. I think it depends on your wrist and I have a weird one so figured it was just me. A more beefy bloke could work the BUND strap well I reckon.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    The Bund strap was never designed/chosen to be stylish and/or comfortable ...but to keep stinky soldier's sweat away from expensive issued equipment ...so that the next poor sod could wear it as well :D

    (the watch that is ...you could keep the smelly strap)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Mredsnapper


    peasant wrote: »
    The Bund strap was never designed/chosen to be stylish and/or comfortable ...but to keep stinky soldier's sweat away from expensive issued equipment ...so that the next poor sod could wear it as well :D

    (the watch that is ...you could keep the smelly strap)

    It looks to me like the Bund strap would also keep a watch from flying away in the case of a springbar malfunction - just like with a Nato strap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,448 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Having highlighted the Bonhams auction on the "Looking for inspiration" thread, I guess I should post pictures of what I bought. They won't be to everyone's taste - they are both a bit of a departure for me. I have no other precious metal watches and I would not have thought I would wear rose gold. Plus the complications do make the dials a bit busy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,276 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i can only see the GP but me likey


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,448 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    I really should not have tried to do this in iOS; here's the JLC.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    :eek: Very nice M. I love the GP in particular. Well wear. *Edit* Just spotted the JC has an alarm as well. GTFO! How feckin cool is that. The design is growing on me too. It's not traditional, but it kinda is all at the same time.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,448 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Cyrus wrote: »
    i can only see the GP but me likey

    You should have used it for inspiration; including buyer's premium etc, I got it for less than what you were looking to spend.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    :eek: Very nice M. I love the GP in particular. Well wear.

    Thanks for the good wishes; given the auction was 2-4:30, I think I must be happy to have collected, brought them home and photo'd them by 5:30. They'll be in Dublin by lunchtime tomorrow (or at least the GP). I think I'll use it to time my drive to Holyhead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,276 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Marcusm wrote: »
    You should have used it for inspiration; including buyer's premium etc, I got it for less than what you were looking to spend.


    bargain ...........


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