Should Ireland rejoin the Commonwealth?

Gambit32

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

It actually doesn't. I think thats the point. We are in the EU and UN, which are more 'imposing' of policy.

The issue here is that there is no benefit whatsoever to joining the commonwealth other than sympbolic and the symbol to me is the antithisis of what Ireland should stand for and regressive.

While I have little time for the EU,the EU and UN doesnt impose or have any cultural or impereal conitations that the commonwealth is based around,we spent to long trying to shake off the shackles of British imperealism,the last thing we want to do is give the British empire any creedance

OhNoYouDidn't

Gambit32 wrote: »

While I have little time for the EU,the EU and UN doesnt impose or have any cultural or impereal conitations that the commonwealth is based around,we spent to long trying to shake off the shackles of British imperealism,the last thing we want to do is give the British empire any creedance

100% agree.

But creedence is all it would be because the commonwealth offers nothing and threatens our sovereignity not one little bit due to its actual irrelevence.

getz

Gambit32 wrote: »

While I have little time for the EU,the EU and UN doesnt impose or have any cultural or impereal conitations that the commonwealth is based around,we spent to long trying to shake off the shackles of British imperealism,the last thing we want to do is give the British empire any creedance

the eu changed you from miles to kilometres .from the punt to the euro your pint to the ltr pushing new laws you have to except and now also wish you to drive on the other side of the road-so they dont dictate to you

getz

gurramok wrote: »

Orange.co.uk is a mobile phone website, not selling phones are you?

The 2nd one http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/Main_Page has about 600 links, point us to the source of your info.

try www.independent.co.uk/opinion/loading-article-irelands also in the 50sdevalera and in the 60s lemass both cconsidered rejoining

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the on france uk look at www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23381798-details in it it also says france wanted the queen as head of state

gurramok

getz wrote: »

try www.independent.co.uk/opinion/loading-article-irelands also in the 50sdevalera and in the 60s lemass both cconsidered rejoining

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the on france uk look at www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23381798-details in it it also says france wanted the queen as head of state

The first link don't work and the 2nd one links to the main page of the newspaper with nothing you had stated?

daithiolabhrai

Sorry I haven't been following the conversation...but just one thing - how anyone can even consider rejoining the Commonwealth is absolutely absurd. All it is is an organisation that stands for British imperialism. Now I understand countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada like this idea because most of the people in those countries are descendents of the British, and lets face it, have gained much from their relationship with Britain. But certainly after what our ancestors been subjected to over the centuries by the British, and of course the issue of Northern Ireland which still exists today, how any true Irish person can say that it would be good for us is insane. Its not as if it even offers us much great economic opportunities, thats what the EU is for!

ART6

daithiolabhrai wrote: »

Sorry I haven't been following the conversation...but just one thing - how anyone can even consider rejoining the Commonwealth is absolutely absurd. All it is is an organisation that stands for British imperialism. Now I understand countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada like this idea because most of the people in those countries are descendents of the British, and lets face it, have gained much from their relationship with Britain. But certainly after what our ancestors been subjected to over the centuries by the British, and of course the issue of Northern Ireland which still exists today, how any true Irish person can say that it would be good for us is insane. Its not as if it even offers us much great economic opportunities, thats what the EU is for!

Ah yes. An endless blizzard of petty regulation that we have no say in. A financial system wherein we have no control of our own money. A legal system based upon a European model rather than the (admittedly inherited) one that took a thousand years to develop. A bureaucracy that has failed to pass an accounts audit for 13 years. An endless tirade about how member states must gear themselves up to compete with the developing economies that don't have the same blizzard of regulation. Any suggestion of joining the Commonwealth is, of course, irrelevant. But how long will it be in the present economic climate before the Euro fails and the EU becomes equally irrelevant?

Deedsie

The EU/UN and the Commonwealth are very different things.

Can you imagine Russia inviting the Georgians or Poles into a tight knit group of former soviet union members. Or the Serbs and Croatians?

Ireland is only really finding its feet as an independent state. Colonialism hurt us alot mor than it benefitted us.

We were hammered everytime we tried to assert ourselves as an independent nation in the name of said commonwealth.

Cant we just be left alone as an independent state with diplomatic relations with everyone. No need to join another club.

futurehope

Deedsie wrote: »

The EU/UN and the Commonwealth are very different things.

Can you imagine Russia inviting the Georgians or Poles into a tight knit group of former soviet union members. Or the Serbs and Croatians?

Ireland is only really finding its feet as an independent state. Colonialism hurt us alot mor than it benefitted us.

We were hammered everytime we tried to assert ourselves as an independent nation in the name of said commonwealth.

Cant we just be left alone as an independent state with diplomatic relations with everyone. No need to join another club.

Yes, and can't you just leave Northern Ireland alone instead of all your parties and most of your brain washed sheep still 'aspiring' to 'Irish Unity'?

jank

futurehope wrote: »

Yes, and can't you just leave Northern Ireland alone instead of all your parties and most of your brain washed sheep still 'aspiring' to 'Irish Unity'?

Give your agenda a rest will ya!

mealone43

futurehope wrote: »

Yes, and can't you just leave Northern Ireland alone instead of all your parties and most of your brain washed sheep still 'aspiring' to 'Irish Unity'?

They have not gone away , you know. Our country will be re-united , just a matter of time.

Deedsie

futurehope wrote: »

Yes, and can't you just leave Northern Ireland alone instead of all your parties and most of your brain washed sheep still 'aspiring' to 'Irish Unity'?

We changed our constitution so that Northern Ireland could be left to make its own decision on its political future. It was only 11 years ago, you should still remember that?

No political group in the south will push for unity untill its the obvious will of the people of the North.

The obvious will of the people of the South is that we dont want to be tied to anything that celebrates the British Empire.

Gambit32

Deedsie wrote: »

We changed our constitution so that Northern Ireland could be left to make its own decision on its political future. It was only 11 years ago, you should still remember that?

No political group in the south will push for unity untill its the obvious will of the people of the North.

The obvious will of the people of the South is that we dont want to be tied to anything that celebrates the British Empire.

I think accross the entire island that would be the overwheming opinion,the less Ireland has to do with Britain the better

partyguinness

futurehope wrote: »

Yes, and can't you just leave Northern Ireland alone instead of all your parties and most of your brain washed sheep still 'aspiring' to 'Irish Unity'?

What?

Ireland has no place or future in the Commonwealth. Irelands place and future lies firnly within the EU.

The proponents of such a move into the Commwealth (a post imperial talking shop) need to stop looking backwards to a bygone era. Amazingly, these are the same people that accuse the ROI of being stuck in the past..honestly..

The only argument that seems to be repeating itself is...wait for it...the Commwealth Games.....come on now...if that is the best that they can come with its...its definitely time to close the thread...:rolleyes:

Lads look forward..not backwards.

Can'tseeme

futurehope wrote: »

Yes, and can't you just leave Northern Ireland alone instead of all your parties and most of your brain washed sheep still 'aspiring' to 'Irish Unity'?

Most people in Ireland want unity some like yourself don't. Get over it and stick to the subject.:rolleyes:

oscarBravo

The trenches have been well and truly dug, and this has run its course.