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alot of what you posted is rubbish, the 6 countys have the lowest unemployment rate in the "UK",
Source.they have the fastest growing economy also.
I think you'll find it's just the slowest decreasing economy, and that is due to massive state investiment.as for subsidies, most of the spending done by the british is on security, ie mi5, 5000 brit army and 15,000 ruc/psni,
A) You can provide statistics to support this assertion?
the UK armed forces are close to 137,000 personal. With a budget of 36 billion. Are you really telling me a 1/6th of the entire UK military budget is being spent in NI, and on less than a sixth of it's forces.in the event of a United Ireland the psni could be downsized and the 6 countys would not need anywhere near 5000 irish troops in an area of that size.
Oh yes, because militant unionists are going to embrace a united Ireland with open arms. There will be terrorism, there will be murder. And it will be Irish troops and Garda on the streets trying to maintain order.plus there is a well educated and hard working labour force to be utilised in the 6 countys.
Are they as well educated as you? Because it's spelt counties.
2ndly are you just go to ignore the whole 30% of the population are employed by the state bit? Our civil service is incredibly bloated and it's nothing compared to this. Add to several other state perks that citizens in NI receive (perks not received by citizens in say England such as free prescription medicine) Do you think this perk should be spread to the entire Island of Ireland (and increase massively the Social Welfare and Health Services costs) or should it be stripped from citizens of Northern Ireland?a united Ireland would be a benefit no a hinderence.
You mean from inheriting a massive bloated civil service. we have the need of an increased security bill, and the potential of Irish Soldiers and Gardai dying at the hands of Unionists terrorists, oh and the massive subsidies we'd have to pay.
Lets look at the advantages. Well free travel between the south and north? No wait we already have the most lax border controls in Europe. Well we could have a united sports team? No wait already have that as well. Well all our county teams could play our national sport in the same leagues. Oh wait we already get that. Aside from a unified currency (a currency exchange rate that favours Irish consumers at the moment).
Yeah, it's just win bloody win.0 -
Source.
In recent years Northern Ireland has experienced stronger Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth than the UK average[29] and GDP per capita is now higher than Wales and North East England. As of 2004, the GDP per capita of the Republic of Ireland is €30,414 (141% of the EU-27 average) while in Northern Ireland it is €21,292 (99% of the EU-27 average).[30] A simple calculation using 2004 GDP and population estimates gives a GDP per capita of €27,790 for the whole of Ireland (9% less than that that of the Republic of Ireland). The structural costs of unification are difficult to quantify but are likely to be proportionately less than that of German reunification due to the greater degree of economic integration that exists between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_IrelandA) You can provide statistics to support this assertion? the UK armed forces are close to 137,000 personal. With a budget of 36 billion. Are you really telling me a 1/6th of the entire UK military budget is being spent in NI, and on less than a sixth of it's forces.
the running cost of the PSNI this year alone will be about 945 million euro link below.
http://www.psni.police.uk/annual_budget_plan_0809.pdf
this is the cost of the PSNI alone, add to this the running costs of Mi5, other specialist security, and then the british army and there barracks and equipment helis etc etc.
i think your getting the picture.
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not neseccerily, i believe the Unionists once faced with the reality of reunification, will see sense and embrace it once there given assurances there will be no sectarianism and so on.Oh yes, because militant unionists are going to embrace a united Ireland with open arms. There will be terrorism, there will be murder. And it will be Irish troops and Garda on the streets trying to maintain order.Are they as well educated as you? Because it's spelt counties.
2ndly are you just go to ignore the whole 30% of the population are employed by the state bit? Our civil service is incredibly bloated and it's nothing compared to this. Add to several other state perks that citizens in NI receive (perks not received by citizens in say England such as free prescription medicine) Do you think this perk should be spread to the entire Island of Ireland (and increase massively the Social Welfare and Health Services costs) or should it be stripped from citizens of Northern Ireland?
if you want to be a grammer NAZI i suggest you dont type in text speak.
look do you realy think the matter of free medicine is going to prevent a united Ireland...? if people can not afford medicine the 26 county state give medical cards this is sufficient for anyone who needs them.You mean from inheriting a massive bloated civil service. we have the need of an increased security bill, and the potential of Irish Soldiers and Gardai dying at the hands of Unionists terrorists, oh and the massive subsidies we'd have to pay.
Lets look at the advantages. Well free travel between the south and north? No wait we already have the most lax border controls in Europe. Well we could have a united sports team? No wait already have that as well. Well all our county teams could play our national sport in the same leagues. Oh wait we already get that. Aside from a unified currency (a currency exchange rate that favours Irish consumers at the moment).
Yeah, it's just win bloody win.
In a single all-Ireland state fiorms would benefit from economies of scale. These are the reductions in costs which result from producing for a large market. If the island of Ireland was a single market, then firms could benefit from production for 6 million people (instead of 1.7m) in the same way that the free market of the European Union has benefited member countries. This bigger market for Northern Ireland firms would also lead to greater competition with firms from the Republic. This would bring all the benefits of greater competition, especially greater efficiency and lower prices for consumers.
Again, unity would attract more investment to the North. Throughout the Troubles many firms in America, Europe, Japan etc were deterred from investing in the province by the violence (some businessmen were captured and a few killed, factories were blown up). On the other hand, the peace, stability and skills available in the Republic attracted this investment and the Republic’s economy grew faster than any other in Europe. Google recently set up its first headquarters outside USA in Dublin. Peace and integration would lead to businesses flooding in to the North as well. Of course, another incentive for investment is the 12.5% rate of corporation tax, compared to 30% in the UK. Irish unity would also facilitate the integration of the island’s infrastructure. Indeed, instead of having two policies on health, education, energy, transport, and other infrastructure matters, there could be one co-ordinated policy for the whole island and this would greatlyimprove efficiency and the quality of life. The economic arguments for unity are compelling and unanswerable, not only for the citizen of the present Northern Ireland but also for the rest of the country. Initially, there would be a cost in terms of the subvention already mentioned. The Republic would have to fill the gap left by the UK to the tune of about € 6bn, which would necessitate an unpopular increase in taxation. However, the economic advantages in terms of economies of scale and so on would soon override this cost. The politics and society of Northern Ireland is in a shambles. Its people are currently enslaved to a bigoted Puritan party on the one hand and a Catholic fascist party on the other. They desperately need a third way and a third party which is beyond Orange and Green, which in fact unites the people through their common humanity. Over the border lies a richer, more vibrant, stable society in the South. It is no longer a priest-ridden theocracy but a liberal, cosmopolitan state which has transcended the narrow, closed ethnic nationalism of the past. Indeed, in a united Ireland the state could not favour any religious group and would therefore be closer to being a truly secular society than the UK. Protestants are assertive enough as it is, so why should they fear a bogeyman who no longer exists? The people of Northern Ireland need to stop fighting shadows and ask themselves how they can kick-start the mechanism by which they become an integral part of that better 32-county Irish society. The four existing parties cannot hope to achieve this transition, being composed of leaders and programmes representing the troubled and destructive past. Northern Ireland is crying out for a genuine republican party, untainted by the crimes and errors of its historical forebears, which will not only truly represent Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter but also seek to replace them with the common name of Irishman. nireland.humanists.net/docs/article35.doc0 -
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the running cost of the PSNI this year alone will be about 945 million euro link below.
http://www.psni.police.uk/annual_budget_plan_0809.pdf
this is the cost of the PSNI alone, add to this the running costs of Mi5, other specialist security, and then the british army and there barracks and equipment helis etc etc.
i think your getting the picture.
not neseccerily, i believe the Unionists once faced with the reality of reunification, will see sense and embrace it once there given assurances there will be no sectarianism and so on.
Hardline Loyalists will not lie down.
Have you learned anything from Irish history?Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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