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Scumbag Gang Attack In Louth
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Slow Motion wrote: »If their is an active investigation relating to that person I would have no problem with withholding their passport until guilt or innocence is determined, it is a very specific circumstance and I don't think it would set us upon a slippery slope!thelordofcheese wrote: »Of course you wouldn't. In of itself it seems innocent enough, almost reasonable. but i maintain that it's not.
Firstly, being investigated doesn't mean your guilty, so your basic rights shouldn't be curtailed under mere suspicision. The same rights that seems so unfair now in this case, are the same ones that protect everyone of us. They exist for a reason and throwing them aside because the mob is angry and upset is a terrible idea.Fozzie Bear wrote: »I don't know if this is true or not. Cannot find a linky on the web yet...
I was in the newsagents this morning getting my Indo when I glanced at the front page of the Oirish Daily Mail. They are claiming that the gang of 5 Lithuanians that allegedly committed this crime have already left the country and will not face any further questioning about it.
Someone please tell me this is just that rag "The Mail" blowing its usual right wing bullshít about this and those allegedly involved are still in the state and will come before a court to answer for it?
Well at least their civil/human rights weren't abused! Pity the same can't be said for the two couples they attacked! If Fozzie Bear is correct those couples will never see justice and those scum will never experience justice being served, I am not having a go at you LOC, I am just terribly saddened and angry.
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captaindanwaldo wrote: »You can’t board a plane with broken legs…
And does the fact that they carried crowbars and golf clubs not indicate that the assault was premeditated and their intentions criminal?
And also just out of curiosity any pictures of the accused posted?
You want pictures of the accused?
Are you going to break their legs?
What are you going to use? Flash animation?
They were in a woodland area in the middle of ****ing nowhere.What has that got to do with it?
The scum must have been roaming before they got to this place. That is my point. What were they up to an hour, two hours or three before this.
Then, the parents also have to answer for part of this. Did they know or care
where their teenage offspring where or what they were up to?
It's not good enough to simply say, "Ah, sure it was in the middle of nowhere, what could have been done." To me, that is a defeatist attitude and not good
enough
Garda presence is ****ing non existent in Ireland. Too busy sitting on
their arses in stations instead of being on the beat monitoring and patrolling and sussing out potetial dogs like these.
All they had to do was jump behind a bush if they saw the lights of a car.
What do you want here? Every woodland area to be floodlit and have security cameras recording every single thing that happens? That's the only way to monitor these things.
You could have 1,000 Gardaí in the area and still not be able to adequately cover it. Did you actually read the article, inparticular the bit about where it happened, or are you just jumping to conclusions and imagining that it happened on a well lit street right in front of a Garda station?
As for America, if you thing rapes don't take place in the middle of nowhere over there, then you must be deliberately turning a blind eye.
Middle of nowhere. Not in an urban or suburban area. The middle of nowhere. In a wooded area.realismpol wrote: »Stricter punishment(that wouldn't be hard there currently is none) and proper policing is the key. In australia and elsewhere they have curfews after certain hours. Any teenagers caught out are brought back home in a patrol car or brought to the police station and their parents charged fines. That would soon teach them to control their offspring. Teens out at 4 in the morning? Sorry unless your at going home from a nightclub or returning home from somewhere there is no reason for roving gangs of teens to be out at that time. By all right they should be assumed to be up to no good because the majority of them are up to no good.
These teens were carrying crowbars which they beat the couples with. So yeah normal rational people would think a group of teens carrying crowbars at 4 in the morning, they aren't out looking to enjoy the scenery.
We could definetly employ the curfew method. Would help with the economy, paying police bills and the worst place to hit someone is sometimes their pocket. This method would also need to be backed up by police presence though. No point having laws with no enforcement which is what we have a lot of in this country.
The Gardaí are not superheroes. They can't hear the screams of a rape victim from their super secret base.
They can't see a bunch of **** roaming around a woodland in the middle of the night.
See the emboldened text there?According to the Herald, some of the attackers are "believed to be from Lithuania".
I didn't even know they were non-nationals until now. I know some people might say it doesn't make a difference, but in my opinion this does make a difference - it shows to me at least that there are scumbags coming in to Ireland (to live or work or whatever) and have absolutely no respect for the people living there (whether they're Irish or not) or for the law!
I can't imagine they attacked these two couples so they could land in prison afterwards, so they obviously thought they could get away with it!
I was in the States (New Hampshire) a few years ago and there was a strong presence of cops. If people, especially groups of people, were spotted by cops after 3 or 4 a.m. without a valid/believable/genuine reason for hanging around, they'd be arrested (never mind being sent home or told to clear off)! It was pretty crazy, but them cops wouldn't take any crap.
Actually, the craziest thing I ever saw was in NH during the day - from one second to the next the whole area there (was a holiday area with beach) was absolutely riddled with cops - precincts from two towns as well as state police. They were running around like mad with batons, and looking at their faces it seemed like they had rabies or something
We were just standing there wondering what was going on (there didn't seem to be any apparent reason for them being there), and 3 cops charged at us with batons. I thought we were going to get run down by them In the end they just told us to go inside. Never found out what all that was about.
Anyway, point is if the guards here were a bit tougher and showed a stronger presence, maybe scumbags like these wouldn't feel they could get away with crap like this.
Yeah, focus on that before you git yer pitchfork and go boldly into the night.
Once again, it happened in the middle of nowhere.
The four people in the car had deliberately gone there in order not to be seen.
It was two young lads in a car trying to get their hole. They weren't going to park in the middle of a town.You sound anti-Lithuanian?
Sounds anti-scumbag to me, but then again, I can't actually hear his accent from here.0 -
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