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Ginja Ninja

Tá fhios agam faoi (thread) trí na meán gaeilge agus faoi gaeilge

...and mods i know of Tna nG but I was wondering out of all the irish you learn in the first 18-ish years of your life how many could/would use it recreationally
(níl fhios agam chun an ráiteas seo í nGaeilge)

phasers

Ní thuigim

bythewoods

Oooh, go hiontach ar fad!

Is aoibheann liom a bheith in ann cumarsáid a dhéanamh trí mheáin ár dteanga dúchas!

Aon scéal aon duine?

Ginja Ninja

phasers wrote: »

Ní thuigim

Tá tri focal(agus litir amháin) duit :
Sinn é
Cac
Bó

agus Táim tinneas le an Brú faoi an Árdteist go háiríthe an Béaltriaill í Bhraincís

challengemaster

Ní thuigim an ceist. An bhfuil tú i ndarire?

An bhfuil cead agam dul amach go dtí an leithreas?
Agus madra rua.
Is maith liom caca milis.
Agus Sharon Ní Bheoláin!
Tá geansaí orm.
Tá scamall sa spéir.
Tabhair dom an caca milis!

:pac:

Ginja Ninja

challengemaster wrote: »

Ní thuigim an ceist. An bhfuil tú i ndarire?

An bhfuil cead agam dul amach go dtí an leithreas?
Agus madra rua.
Is maith liom caca milis.
Agus Sharon Ní Bheoláin!
Tá geansaí orm.
Tá scamall sa spéir.
Tabhair dom an caca milis!

:pac:

Cad a Deirfá an scrúditheor deáirfamís é sa scrúdú beal?

Teutorix

Sorry guys my german is woeful :pac:

Insect Overlord

Tá díomá an domhain orm faoin gcaighdeán teanga sa thread seo...

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Pisses me off that I spent fourteen years of my life learning Irish and yet two years after leaving school can barely understand the little "believe it or not" things on the radio

ironictoaster

Lock it now before it's too late!!

Insect Overlord

creggy wrote: »

Lock it now before it's too late!!

This is the kind of attitude that has left most people in this country with little or no grasp of the Irish language.

lastmi

we are forced to learn Irish for so long that i for one hate it!!!!
i can understand one word

tolosenc

Is gné fíor tábhachtach den oideachas in Éirinn é staidéar ar an Gaeilge. Ach, chun an fhírinne, níl an béim ceart uirthi mar ábhar scoile. Caithfear níos mó béim a chur ar an teanga labhartha, ionas go mbéadh méid níos mó duine in ann í a labhairt.

Más'é an scéal é nach bhfuil ach cúpla focail bunúsacha ar eolas a'at tar éis ceithre bhliain déag a chaiteamh ag iarracht í a fhoghlaim, taispeánann sé sin nach bhfuil an suim ceart agat nó nach bhfuil an stíl múinteorachta ann nó an dá rud.

'Sé adhaim an Ghaeilge mar ábhar scoile ná an teanga í féin a chur chun cinn. Tá sé rísholéir domsa nach bhfuil sé ag obair, cé nach dtuigim an fuath atá ag a lán daoine.

Ó. Ba í an Ghaeilge an ábhar ab fhearr liom (agus ba fhear a bhí agam) nuair a d'fhreastalas ar meanscoil. D'fhoghlaim mé mo chuid Gaeilge ar scoil, agus ní scoil lán-Gaelach í, ach oiread. Is féidir leat í a fhoghlaim más maith. Gaeilge abú!

Fad

lastmi wrote: »

we are forced to learn Irish for so long that i for one hate it!!!!
i can understand one word

Than How did you know what this thread was about?

What is the one word?

Is aoibhean liom Gaeilge, ceapaim go bhfuil sé teanga níos fear, ach tá mó gramádach an shíte:pac:

Fádas for me is like playing darts (Im bad at darts too) so the end up in random places

ironictoaster

An File wrote: »

This is the kind of attitude that has left most people in this country with little or no grasp of the Irish language.

No, I'm saying lock it because this topic comes up all the time, particularly in the LC forum.

I assume the future of the thread will be consisting two sides. One group whining over learning Irish for 14 years blah blah blah and other group, the fluent folk defending it. It's more common that muff diving site appearing in AH...

That's all.

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lastmi

Fad wrote: »

Than How did you know what this thread was about?

What is the one word?

that would be telling!!
and my dog told me wat the thread was about !!

challengemaster

An File wrote: »

This is the kind of attitude that has left most people in this country with little or no grasp of the Irish language.

No, it's not. Being force fed useless tripe about scéals, filíocht agus úrscéal is what the first problem is. In all my years of "learning" the language, the only time I've actually spoken it has been the last two weeks, preparing for Orals. Know what? That was when I actually learned something.

It's not spoken. That's another problem. It's not spoken in classes, in day to day life, you wouldn't hear cupla focal gaeilge until you're preparing for your orals. And after that, it's the same again. You'd almost swear that the country is still under brittish rule, and Irish was forbidden.

You're a smart lad, and you know the language. Fair play to you. But you don't know a thing about why it's failing to be taught properly. If you plan on being a good teacher, and ever an Irish teacher... I think if anything, you should take heed of this. You don't learn a language from a book.

You learned English from hearing it, from the day you were born. You always hear the language spoken as a baby. You couldn't read or write when you were 1, could you? But I'm fairly sure you learned to speak. Listening and repeating. And by age 4-5 you could hold up a conversation in english, play with other children, function in society as a child does. The most advanced reading you probably did was the Lion king, or other disney stories. You didn't even know what a poem was. But you could use the language. Gaelscoileanna are talking in Irish all the time...and guess what, they can use the Irish language. Surprise surprise.

Apply the same logic (and it is logic) to the Irish language, and it will blossom. Yes I know this requires a total reform of the way the language is taught and examined in schools, but, it's what needs to happen if it's ever to be taught properly.

My Taekwondo instructor once said to the class as we were preparing for a grading; If you fail, It doesn't reflect badly on you.I'm the one who's failed as a teacher. (paraphrased) - I think the same attitude should be taken with the language. You're quick to blame the students. "That attitude ....". I think the gaelgeoiri are the ones failing as teachers of the language.

I may be right or wrong, ach sin é i mo thuraim féin.

ironictoaster

I don't think the teachers are to blame. It's the entire country's attitude to the language as well the Irish syllabus been taught in schools. The only way I could see Irish been proper revived is to have Irish EVERYWHERE!..Not just road signs but, food packages etc etc.

We should have the same attitude as our neighbours in Wales with their Welsh language.

Diabhal Beag

Ta me punca fada briste Seachtain na Gaeilge a bhuachailli, ta seanfhocal agam anois, Cad ata Dubh agus Ban........

luckat

Nios tábhachtaí, cad é an Gaeilga atá ar 'muff diving', le bhúr dtoil?

ironictoaster

http://www.muffdivingclub.ie/

Insect Overlord

challengemaster wrote: »

No, it's not. Being force fed useless tripe about scéals, filíocht agus úrscéal is what the first problem is. In all my years of "learning" the language, the only time I've actually spoken it has been the last two weeks, preparing for Orals. Know what? That was when I actually learned something...

Is mór an trua nach bhfuil martial art éigin Ghaelach

challengemaster

Is fuath liom peil ghaelach. Is é spórt amaideach, dar liomsa.

Chanandler Bong

ta an t-adh liom anocht chun a bheith ag leamh an "thread" sin, mar beidh mo thrialscrudu beil ar siul ar maidin amarach.

Aontaimse go mba choir duinn go leir a bheith ag caint as Ghaeilge, ach faraor, ni tharloidh se sin aris mar ta tionchar ro-mhor ag na Stait Aontaithe, mar shampla sna clair teilifise a fheachann an aos og gach uile la. Ach, cinnte, caithfidh an teanga a bheith riachtanach sna mheanscoileanna

Diabhal Beag

challengemaster wrote: »

Is fuath liom peil ghaelach. Is é spórt amaideach, dar liomsa.

Cen fath? Cad ata amaideach faoi?

tolosenc

creggy wrote: »

I don't think the teachers are to blame. It's the entire country's attitude to the language as well the Irish syllabus been taught in schools. The only way I could see Irish been proper revived is to have Irish EVERYWHERE!..Not just road signs but, food packages etc etc.

We should have the same attitude as our neighbours in Wales with their Welsh language.

But in Wales, not only is it everywhere, it's seen as cool. Lots of famous Welsh speakers are very proud of it. Also, in Wales, the standard of education in Ysgol Gymraeg is a lot higher.

Insect Overlord

challengemaster wrote: »

Is fuath liom peil ghaelach. Is é spórt amaideach, dar liomsa.

Tóg é sin ar ais! :eek:

Is spórt den scoth é. Dar liomsa :P

Crumble Froo

gaeilge mar martial art? bheadh sé sin gach sort awesome

ok, it's been 4 years since ive done written irish, (holy **** im getting old), so please go easy on me... but here's an effort at any rate.

mé féin, is aoibheann liom gaeilge, agus nuair a bhí mé ag fásadh anuas, d'úsáid (i know that's not quite the right tense, ach it's been a few years since ive written/spoken a lot of gaeilge), mo mham cúpla focail gaeilge an t-am ar fad. ní raibh sí liofa, ar choir ar bith (ní chead agam fada a chuir ar an 'o'. stupid foreign computer.), ach rudaí mar 'lámha suas', 'suigh síos', 'tá dinnéar reidh'. nuair a bhíomar níos sinne, rug mé greim maith go leor ar an dteanga, agus céanna le mo dhearthair, agus thosamar (that doesnt look right at all... ) ag caint as gaeilge le chéile sa theach.

ceapaim go bhfuil an fadbh is mo' leis an siollabas, ná an chaoi ina bhfuil sé déanta sa bhunscoil. ag an am go bhfuilimid sa mheánscoil, ba choir go bhfuilimid in ann filíocht a léamh, chéanna leis and chaoi go dhéanaimid béarla. ba choir aistí agus díospoireacht agus comhrá a scriobh. níl aon fadbh agam leis an siollabais mar atá sé faoi láthair sa mheanscoil, tá an fadhb sa bhunscoil.

actually, sin é an fadhb le theangacha eile freisin. cén fath go bhfanaimid go dtí go bhfuilimid 12 no 13 chun francis/gearmáinis a fhoglam?

challengemaster

An File wrote: »

Tóg é sin ar ais! :eek:

Is spórt den scoth é. Dar liomsa :P

Ní thógfaidh me rud ar bith ar ais.

Rithimid thart i bpáirc arís agus arís eile. Amaideach!

Aisling(",)

i can speak irish and i do so quite regularly with my friends but my grammer and spellings are ufasach so im not going to inflict it on you all.

though i do think it strange that a subject that we learn since were kids hasnt got a higher standard.and in my year out 0f 128 of us only 9 are doing higer.mainly due to the crap course and our teacher dosent speak english in the class really so it intimidates a lot of people.

ta bron orm ach cad a cuireann tu an fada ar na focailacha?

KeyLimePie

cepaim go bhfuil gaeilge go hiontach !
however, i think that we're thought it COMPLETELY wrong in shcools, with a lack of focus on grammar, which I've discovered is kinda important

a show of hands here =p who knew that there was male and female nouns in irish ?!

Anyway I'm gonna do that free irish course they have in UCD come september

tolosenc

Aisling(",) wrote: »

cad a cuireann tu an fada ar na focailacha?

1. Conas, not cad.
2. Litreacha, not fochlacha.



Brúigh ar Alt Gr agus an ghuta!

Aisling(",)

obl wrote: »

1. Conas, not cad.
2. Litreacha, not fochlacha.



Brúigh ar Alt Gr agus an ghuta!

see i speak it and only my mates understand because im that crap and im getting b's in honors ahahahahaha.

irish is screwed!

MIN2511

Guys, i am so jealous! I wish i could speak and write

challengemaster

MIN2511 wrote: »

Guys, i am so jealous! I wish i could speak and write

Ciúnas bóthar cailín bainne

Fad

challengemaster wrote: »

Ciúnas bóthar cailín bainne

It was only a matter of time..............

Insect Overlord

Fad wrote: »

It was only a matter of time..............

Bhuel, do dhein sé quote ar an gcuid eile den ad sin níos luath sa thread...

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

challengemaster wrote: »

Ciúnas bóthar cailín bainne

I was going to do that but I didn't have the guts

An Fear Aniar

lastmi wrote: »

we are forced to learn Irish for so long that i for one hate it!!!!
i can understand one word

Is í sin an fhírinne. Chaitheadar 80 bliain ag brónnadh cúraim na Gaeilge ar na páistí, faoi bhrú agus éigeantacht, gan suim dá laghad acu féin (daoine fásta, an Stáit) ina labhairt ar chor ar bith ach cupla focal chun tírghrá a thaispeáint, mar dhea.

Is cleas cruachroích a dhein siad ar aos óg na hÉireann agus níl tortha ar bith bainte acu ach fuath agus eagla roimh na Gaeilge... Measaim féin gur cheart dóibh saoirse a thabhairt don aos óg a rogha féin a dheanamh, foghlaim nó gan fhoghlaim.
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MIN2511

challengemaster wrote: »

Ciúnas bóthar cailín bainne

What does that mean :S

Fad

MIN2511 wrote: »

What does that mean :S

Quiet Road Girl Milk.

Ardscoil Ris

Tá

challengemaster

Oakley Gray Football wrote: »

I was going to do that but I didn't have the guts

Hehe

MIN2511 wrote: »

What does that mean :S

I just robbed it from the famous carlsberg ad..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNBmFveq2U

Insect Overlord

Taispeáineann an ad sin gur féidir linn go léir spraoi a bhaint as usáid an nGaeilge

Crumble Froo

haha, táim i mo chonaí i nua shéalann, agus táim ag múnú gaeilge do mo leannán. bíonn sé an-ghreannmhar.

go raibh maith agat - gurby maggut.

at this stage, he's learnt that he's more likely to get his cuppa tea if he demands "cupán tae, siúcra, bainne" (well, he can't quite pronounce báinne).. .

little things like that. it's fun, and quite cute, and when im stressed, and can't talk about it, i do love that i can tlak about it as gaeilge.

JC 2K3

D'fhreastal mé ar scoil lán Ghaelach.

Níl taithí agam, mar sin, ar caighdeán múineadh i scoileanna eile, ach cloisim scéalta uafásacha faoi easpa béim ar an teanga labharta. Ní thuigim sin. Munar féidir leat an teanga a labhairt, conas ar féidir leat aistí a scríobh faoi litríocht?

Ginja Ninja

well this will have more impact trí mBearla
why do people hate irish so much?
personally i suck not because of the language or my teacher (fionscéal) but because i just suck at languages (23% in french FTW)and I'm damn near failing honour (never got more than a c2 EVER)but why not speak it as is an sig here somewhere(Is fearr gaeilge bhriste nó bearla clist)roughly:bad irish is better than good english

oh , and how is irish different than english course-wise?I mean it's all Cac mBó(bull***t) about poets and drama and such crap it's exactly the same but we're asked to basically talk like a three year old for 10 minutes and we bitch about it.....

oh and I'm awful surprised at how this thread took off in 24 hours.....
But if your in MY thread to Gaeilge-bash the GTFO or dul sall agus chuir do cheann í do thóin

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

I don't hate Irish at all, I'd love to be fluent, but I have a few problems with the way it's presented within the society. Firstly, and most importantly, the way it's taught is atrocious. It's a language which works much better spoken than written, but all the emphaisis is on the written element. Irish should be spoken throughout the Irish class (in fairness, the way languages in general are taught in this country is awful), with more of a focus on conversation and craic rather than on poets and writers who are (I'm sorry) absolutely woefully uninteresting for the most part.

Secondly, and I'm not trying to be annoying, Gaelgóirs don't help their own cause. There's a bit of an elitist "oh my goodness why can't you speak Irish, why aren't you learning it right now, why wouldn't you want to speak it?" kind of a vibe, and two fluent Irish speakers in a room of non-Irish speakers will, for some reason start talking to each other in Irish once they discover they both can, even if it's not their first language, which is very show-offy.

Thirdly, the language and its image needs to be modernised. It is, in many people's minds, linked with the Gaeltachts, which, beautiful though they are, are generally in the middle of no-where with few facilities and an older population. It's also, inevitably, tied in with nationalism, and given the national lack of self confidence (the image of ourselves which we most frequently project abroad is "Yes, we may be ugly but at least we're drunk!", or we only identify ourselves within the context of the conflict with Britain-watch any Irish comedian,they'll go on about one or both of those things), I'd say a lot of people are uncomfortable with that. The trendy-uncle efforts of the government (i.e seachtain na gaeilge) to try and do this are chronically out of touch wit da kidz.

That's all I got for the moment like I said though, I genuinely wish I was fluent in the language.

Svalbard

An File wrote: »

Tá díomá an domhain orm faoin gcaighdeán teanga sa thread seo...

An File wrote: »

This is the kind of attitude that has left most people in this country with little or no grasp of the Irish language.

This attitude doesn't help either. Someone starts a thread because he wants to practice the cupla focal and some upstart complains about the standard of Irish on the thread.
You can't win.

I'd love to be able to speak Irish fluently like native Irish speakers, not the bastard1sed 'english-translated-directly-into-irish' version made prevalent by gaelscoileanna.

Ginja Ninja

jaysus waaaayyy too political

chuirim í Gaeilge simplí "Is An thread seo faoi na gnath-rud trí gaeilge"

nó

I'll put this in simple irish "this thread is about ordinary thing through irish"

so as I said it's better to just take a stab at it put what you mean in brackets if your not sure about what you wrote

@an file :remember flames in irish are still trolls/flame/cyber-bullying agus an bhfuil gach rud a deir tú i mBearla faoi gramadach foirfe?

ironictoaster

Ginja Ninja wrote: »

But if your in MY thread to Gaeilge-bash the GTFO or dul sall agus chuir do cheann í do thóin

You're asking people what their opinion is of the Irish language. You must be mad if you thought everyone was going to be positive towards the language.