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Insect Overlord

Svalbard wrote: »

This attitude doesn't help either. Someone starts a thread because he wants to practice the cupla focal and some upstart complains about the standard of Irish on the thread.
You can't win.

Tá brón orm, táim cineáil depressed um nóiméid, tá sé níos éasca dom rudaí éigin maslacha a rá go tapaigh ná am a chaitheamh ag smaoineamh faoi slí níos deise chun mo ráitisí a dhéanaimh.

Insect Overlord

Ginja Ninja wrote: »

@an file :remember flames in irish are still trolls/flame/cyber-bullying agus an bhfuil gach rud a deir tú i mBearla faoi gramadach foirfe?

Cad-ever

Piste

creggy wrote: »

No, I'm saying lock it because this topic comes up all the time, particularly in the LC forum.

I assume the future of the thread will be consisting two sides. One group whining over learning Irish for 14 years blah blah blah and other group, the fluent folk defending it. It's more common that muff diving site appearing in AH...

That's all.

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Well isn't it lucky for this thread that one of the mods is a Gaelgóir (ok went to an Irish school, practically a Gaelgóir) and another is a wannabe Gaelgóir. Haven't a clue about Squigloo though!

Is aoibhinn liom an Ghaeilge agus b'aoibhinn liom bheith i mo ghaelgóir. Is mór an trua nar d'fhreastail mé ar gaelscoil- bunscoil nó meánscoil. Sa thodhchaí ba mhaith liom mo pháistí a thógáil as Gaeilge, cé nach bhfuil Gaeilge líofa nó Gaeilge foirfe agamsa.

Ba maith liom Gaeilge a úsáid i mo shaol gach lá ach dáiríously, ní bhíonn an seans agam.

It's a pity that now during Seachtain na Gaeilge people are treating it more like Seachain An Ghaeilge (amirite?)

sofa kingcool

Tá sé an leadránach, gan mhaith AGUS marbh.

JC 2K3

Piste wrote: »

Well isn't it lucky for this thread that one of the mods is a Gaelgóir

Yup.

Grammatical error = infraction tbh.

Insect Overlord

sofa kingcool wrote: »

Tá sé an leadránach,

Bréagach

sofa kingcool wrote: »

gan mhaith

Bréagach

sofa kingcool wrote: »

AGUS marbh.

Agus bréagach.

:rolleyes:
An chéad duine eile?

JC 2K3

sofa kingcool wrote: »

Tá sé an leadránach, gan mhaith AGUS marbh.

sí

Ná labhair faoi chailín deas mar sin.

philologos

If people want to learn and speak Irish well and good. It's a cultural thing and that's probably the most it will ever be in Ireland probably. I'm not really as attached to Irish, I was for a while, but in terms of practicalities Irish will never really be the defacto language of the country ever, and I personally consider English my language and the primary national tongue of Ireland, just like Austrias national tongue is German (just because countries share a national language doesn't mean it takes a huge hit in terms of identity).

fonpokno

I love Irish! (but grammar and spelling is now woeful since leaving school so I'm not even going to try...)

I didn't like Irish until I went to the gaeltacht where I fell in love with it! Only went for 2 years as a dalta and one year as a cinnire but they were all amazing. I didn't learn any Irish at all in school. Any grammar I had was taught to me in the gaeltacht.

Personally, I think the fact that you only need a C3 in Irish to become a primary school teacher is just silly. I'm sure it's much easier to continue learning Irish in secondary school if you have a firm basis in it from your primary years.

My own sister wants to be a primary teacher but she hasn't a word of Irish. I know I wouldn't want her teaching irish to anyone, she's worse than useless. She's a great teacher other than that, but Irish is a really important part of school!

One thing though, I don't think TG4 is any good for the regular joe soap. I know that I can't understand a single word they say on the news or Ros na Rún or anything. I just can't understand that thick Connemara accent. And I'm generally really really good at understanding it. Makes me sad...

tolosenc

Jakkass wrote: »

If people want to learn and speak Irish well and good. It's a cultural thing and that's probably the most it will ever be in Ireland probably. I'm not really as attached to Irish, I was for a while, but in terms of practicalities Irish will never really be the defacto language of the country ever, and I personally consider English my language and the primary national tongue of Ireland, just like Austrias national tongue is German (just because countries share a national language doesn't mean it takes a huge hit in terms of identity).

Austria's a relatively recent invention that never really had it's own tongue beforehand. Up till 200 years ago, very few Irish people spoke anything but, so you can't say it was nvere the defacto language.

D'Agger

Hey I'm just wondering if anybody could tell me the Irish for "I am the master of my own destiny" I've been looking online but can't find it myself!! I want to get a tattoo of this in Irish sometime in the next few months, I want it in Irish because it's our native language and the reason I can't speak fluently in it is because of the way education in Ireland is so backwards. There's absolutely no emphasis on Irish Oral work - practicing the very nature of the language - speaking it!! Anyway Any help would be appreciated greatly.

philologos

obl wrote: »

Austria's a relatively recent invention that never really had it's own tongue beforehand. Up till 200 years ago, very few Irish people spoke anything but, so you can't say it was nvere the defacto language.

I said never will be the defacto language rather than never was.

luckat

Bleagh. I hate hate hate corrections of Irish. And they're rude. Nasty. Priggish. Show-offy. Superior. Designed to *stop* people talking Irish.

obl wrote: »

1. Conas, not cad.
2. Litreacha, not fochlacha.



Brúigh ar Alt Gr agus an ghuta!

Insect Overlord

luckat wrote: »

Bleagh. I hate hate hate corrections of Irish. And they're rude. Nasty. Priggish. Show-offy. Superior. Designed to *stop* people talking Irish.

Just be thankful that nobody has taken upon themselves to correct your use of English. You might have had to stop using that too...

p1akuw47h5r3it

I don't really dislike Irish as a language as such jus how it's taught in school (course content is what I mean,not moaning about teachers).I find it pretty pointless tbh.

norwegianwood

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? They'll never miss an opportunity to spout some, just so everyone knows they can. If you've ever seen that blathnaid one on the afternoon show you'll know what i'm talking about...

Fad

norwegianwood wrote: »

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? They'll never miss an opportunity to spout some, just so everyone knows they can. If you've ever seen that blathnaid one on the afternoon show you'll know what i'm talking about...

I can speak it pretty well (Gold coloured plastic ring to prove it..........) but I somehow resist the temptation to start spouting anything (Partly because there's 18 people in my year doing HL:().

I love Irish for a variety of reasons, but I think if people spent less time bítching about the syllabus, and just got on with it, learn what they have to learn, they would have such a problem. There's a new syllabus coming in, so there's absolutely nothing you can do for yourselves now (ie-stop wasting your time).

tolosenc

luckat wrote: »

Bleagh. I hate hate hate corrections of Irish. And they're rude. Nasty. Priggish. Show-offy. Superior. Designed to *stop* people talking Irish.

You don't quite grasp the concept of smileys, do you?! :P

tolosenc

norwegianwood wrote: »

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? They'll never miss an opportunity to spout some, just so everyone knows they can. If you've ever seen that blathnaid one on the afternoon show you'll know what i'm talking about...

And those goddamn French people speaking French... Grrr...

:rolleyes:

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Fad wrote: »

I can speak it pretty well (Gold coloured plastic ring to prove it..........) but I somehow resist the temptation to start spouting anything (Partly because there's 18 people in my year doing HL:().

I love Irish for a variety of reasons, but I think if people spent less time bítching about the syllabus, and just got on with it, learn what they have to learn, they would have such a problem. There's a new syllabus coming in, so there's absolutely nothing you can do for yourselves now (ie-stop wasting your time).

In fairness, the question was asked "What is your problem with Irish?" people were responding to a direct enquiry rather than really bitching. Everyone seems to be dealing with the syllabus in that nobody's mentioned failing Irish, but that's the problem, it's a syllabus designed to pass the Leaving rather than promote fluency :P

Fad

Oakley Gray Football wrote: »

In fairness, the question was asked "What is your problem with Irish?" people were responding to a direct enquiry rather than really bitching. Everyone seems to be dealing with the syllabus in that nobody's mentioned failing Irish, but that's the problem, it's a syllabus designed to pass the Leaving rather than promote fluency :P

I was more talking in general, most threads about it turn into a bitchfest.

Why do the NUIs still want it as a minimum requirement? (Out of curiosity)

Aisling(",)

ah i just found my fainne...forgot i had that thing

got a bit em merry last night and spent a good 3 hours waffling on in irish to my equally inehbriated mate...god only knows what we were on about.:p

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Fad wrote: »

Why do the NUIs still want it as a minimum requirement? (Out of curiosity)

I'd imagine it's something to do with their state funding and the state policy of promoting Irish as a vibrant language (i.e trying to keep it from dying out), can't see a real reason for needing to have passed Irish to study Commerce and French or Interior Architecture or whatever!

Aisling(",) wrote: »

ah i just found my fainne...forgot i had that thing

Hnah

Insect Overlord

Aw, I miss my fainne I used to keep it in my wallet when I wasn't wearing it (next to my little bronze Gaisce pin :P ) but I've had 2 new wallets since the one they were housed in.

I get to use Irish nearly every day (one of the many side-effects of studying in a teacher-training college) and it's always fun to be able to switch between languages in conversation. I had problems with the LC curriculum back when I was in school, but there are ways of maximising your points in any subject, even if you don't like that subject. You just have to be clever when it comes to answering the questions.

That said, too many people see Irish as just another exam subject and not as a living, exciting language.

cocoa

KeyLimePie wrote: »

a show of hands here =p who knew that there was male and female nouns in irish ?!

*raises hand*

An raibh a fhios agat go bhfuil ainmfhocail neodracha sa Ghaeilge? =P

was lucky there wasn't any fadas in that sentence, silly incorrectly configured keyboard...

KnifeWRENCH

Piste wrote: »

Well isn't it lucky for this thread that one of the mods is a Gaelgóir (ok went to an Irish school, practically a Gaelgóir) and another is a wannabe Gaelgóir. Haven't a clue about Squigloo though!

Bhuel, fuair mé A1 i mo scrúdú Gaeilge (Ardleibhéal) ach, faraor, níl mo chaighdeàn Gaeilge an-mhaith ar chor ar bith.
(I dread to think how many basic mistakes I made there.)

The way Irish is taught really is desparate. I got my A1 because I was able to learn loads of essays and notes on prose/drama/poetry off by heart (ah Uirchíll an Chreagáin, so many not-in-the-least-bit-fond memories you've left me with). I'll be the first to admit that it has absolutely no reflection on my Irish speaking abilities (which are rather poor). Basically, once you've survived the Oral, LC Irish is nothing but a glorified memory test.

Being able to speak Irish fluently would be nice, as it is our language and something that is unique to us as a country. But being perfectly honest, I'm not a big fan of the language - the way it sounds, the way it's spoken etc. doesn't really appeal to me.

JC 2K3

I read Uirchill an Creagáin for the first time the night before paper 2, and answered on it

I had previously avoided it because it looked hard, but was learning Stair na Gaeilge at the same time and decided to have a look at it.

Since then I've wondered if all the essays I did and notes I made on other Poems for two years were futile....

p1akuw47h5r3it

An File wrote: »

Aw, I miss my fainne I used to keep it in my wallet when I wasn't wearing it (next to my little bronze Gaisce pin :P ) but I've had 2 new wallets since the one they were housed in.

I get to use Irish nearly every day (one of the many side-effects of studying in a teacher-training college) and it's always fun to be able to switch between languages in conversation. I had problems with the LC curriculum back when I was in school, but there are ways of maximising your points in any subject, even if you don't like that subject. You just have to be clever when it comes to answering the questions.

That said, too many people see Irish as just another exam subject and not as a living, exciting language.

Exactly and thats why the course should be changed...The problem is we all know what's wrong with the course but we don't really know how to change it to make it more appealing but something has to be done. I like learning languages (well french) but I hate irish, really boring.

Lola92

I absolutely LOVE IRISH! If it was possible I'd speak it all day,everyday (unfortunately not an option when no one around you would understand)but I agree that the way the language is taught in schools does it absolutely no favours, I'm in 5th year atm and just sick of all the crappy Pros and Stair that you have to learn...IMO not nearly enough marks going for the oral!

Fad

Lola92 wrote: »

IMO not nearly enough marks going for the oral!

Not enough marks going for Stair An Gaeilge tbh.

Lola92

Fad wrote: »

Not enough marks going for Stair An Gaeilge tbh.

Well I'm not a fan of the whole learning off essay's on bealoidis and ruraiocht and such but I see where you're coming from if that's what works for you!

cocoa

Lola92 wrote: »

Well I'm not a fan of the whole learning off essay's on bealoidis and ruraiocht and such but I see where you're coming from if that's what works for you!

I think the point he's making that the marks given for stair na gaeilge are not in any way proportional to the amount of work involved.

Fad

Lola92 wrote: »

Well I'm not a fan of the whole learning off essay's on bealoidis and ruraiocht and such but I see where you're coming from if that's what works for you!

Its not what I'm into, but you have a fair bit to learn, kinda like poetry in English, there's just not enough marks going considering how much you need to do.

Hardly essays, I've been told bullet points will do (If that not true, frankly I don't care )

Lola92

cocoa wrote: »

I think the point he's making that the marks given for stair na gaeilge are not in any way proportional to the amount of work involved.

+1 that's partially why I hate it so much!

Fad wrote: »

Its not what I'm into, but you have a fair bit to learn, kinda like poetry in English, there's just not enough marks going considering how much you need to do.

Hardly essays, I've been told bullet points will do (If that not true, frankly I don't care )

So I thought aswel but had a test on it there last week, content all pretty much bang on but I got a B- because it should have been *QUOTE* "expanded to about two pages long":mad:.....whats other ppl thinking?!

whadabouchasir

norwegianwood wrote: »

Does anybody else thnk that some fluent Irish speakers can be very smug about it? .

I suppose that's true but for years Irish was stigmatised and seen as a backwards language it's only now that it's "cool".

Fad

Lola92 wrote: »

So I thought aswel but had a test on it there last week, content all pretty much bang on but I got a B- because it should have been *QUOTE* "expanded to about two pages long":mad:.....whats other ppl thinking?!

Mark per line, 15 lines for each Q

Lola92

Fad wrote: »

Mark per line, 15 lines for each Q

Ok so! Thanks

Aisling(",)

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I read Uirchill an Creagáin for the first time the night before paper 2, and answered on it

I had previously avoided it because it looked hard, but was learning Stair na Gaeilge at the same time and decided to have a look at it.

Since then I've wondered if all the essays I did and notes I made on other Poems for two years were futile....

WORST POEM ON THE PAPER!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

if only an t-oilean was predicted to be coming up this year.its such a piece of filth that i remember it really well:p

Richard Cranium

Ba chuma liom faoin nGaeilge anuraidh. Chuir an tuiseal ginideach, rialacha na séimhiú agus na hurú, focail firinsineach agus baininsineach agus neart rudaí eile éadóchais orm gach uair a bhain mé úsáid astu.

Ansin thug mé i bhfad níos lú aird futhú (seachas i m'obair bhaile, go minic), agus mhúscladh spéis sa teanga ionam beagnach ar luas lasrach. Anois táim ag déanamh iarracht a bheith i mo ghaeilgeoir. Nílim ann fós ach táim ag dul sa treo ceart, dar liom.

Is é an locht is mó a bhaineann leis an gcuraclaim ná nach bhfuil am ag na múinteoirí an bhéim ceart a chur ar an teanga labhartha. Dúirt mo mhúinteoir dúinn anuraidh go mbeadh sé in ann conas torthaí maithe a bhaint san Airdteist a mhúineadh dúinn nó suim sa teanga a spreagadh ionainn(?).

Thosaíomar ag caint as Ghaeilge timpeall dhá mhí ó shin, ag ullmhú don mBéaltriail. Rinne sé an rang trí mhéan an Béarla an t-am ar fad roimh an bpointe sin (ó bhliain a haon).

Ceapaim go bhfuil an athbheochan ag dul ó neart go neart, ach go mall mall.

An Fear Aniar

Check this out, song about a guy who met a girl but had to leave her because she kept getting her Tuisil Ginideach wrong...

Mura bhfuil an tuiseal ginideach agat
Agus smacht ar do chuid "h"annaí
Níl suim dá laghad agam ionat
Mar is cinnte go mbrisfidh tú mo chroí
Ach más Gaeilgeoir snasta blasta thú
Is má thuigeann tú cúrsaí gramadaí
Tar trasna na páirce móire chugam
Táim anseo i dtóin an tí.

If you don't have a good grasp of the genitive case
And your "h"s aren't in good shape
I have no interst in you
Because you're sure to break my heart
But if you're a polished, skilled Irish speaker,
And if you're well across the grammar
Come across the big field to me,
I'm here in back of the house

Táim ag siúl an bhóthair uaignigh seo
Le fada, fada an lá
Ag cuartú na mná gaelaí i ngach áit
Ach faraor, níl sí le fáil
Bean atá tugtha don tuiseal tabharthach
Bean a thuigeann na díochlaontaí
Bean a rachfadh chun na leapan liom
Le Graiméar na mBráithre Críostaí.

I've been walking this lonely road,
For many's the long, long day.
Looking for the Gaelic woman everywhere,
But sadly, she just isn't out there.
A woman who understands the accusative case
A woman who understands the declensions.
A woman who'd go to bed with me
And the Christian Brothers' Grammar.


Also, anyone know WTF these guys are saying?

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JC 2K3

Aisling(",) wrote: »

WORST POEM ON THE PAPER!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Ah it was grand, about some guy on an acid trip as far as I remember.

I have to say, the best poem on the paper was Oíche Nollag na mBan. It was head and shoulders above anything else on the paper. Really, really good.

Insect Overlord

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Ah it was grand, about some guy on an acid trip as far as I remember.

I have to say, the best poem on the paper was Oíche Nollag na mBan. It was head and shoulders above anything else on the paper. Really, really good.

Ha, that's a controversial one, acid-inspired aislingí

I completely agree with you about Oíche Nollag na mBan, it's an amazing piece of work.

tolosenc

Another one for Oíche Nollag na mBan, here. Absolutely fantastic.

p1akuw47h5r3it

Aisling(",) wrote: »

WORST POEM ON THE PAPER!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

if only an t-oilean was predicted to be coming up this year.its such a piece of filth that i remember it really well:p

Don't know any of the poems...pass here I come, dropping down on wednesday, That leaves 5 in my class doin honours and about 15 in the school out of about 100.

Piste

I really like Dá mB'fhéidir arís dár gcumman, it was really touching.

Aisling(",)

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Ah it was grand, about some guy on an acid trip as far as I remember.

I have to say, the best poem on the paper was Oíche Nollag na mBan. It was head and shoulders above anything else on the paper. Really, really good.

never copped that it could be drug related.
why the heck is irish poetry so fricking useless!!

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Don't know any of the poems...pass here I come, dropping down on wednesday, That leaves 5 in my class doin honours and about 15 in the school out of about 100.

only 11 of us out of 127.

Piste wrote: »

I really like Dá mB'fhéidir arís dár gcumman, it was really touching.

the woman with the dead husband who didnt talk?

Fad

Piste wrote: »

I really like Dá mB'fhéidir arís dár gcumman, it was really touching.

I liked it too, takes a fair bit for me to like something in Irish (Poetry anyway).

JC 2K3

Aisling(",) wrote: »

never copped that it could be drug related.

That was a joke....

(That said, I think a lot of poetry about outlanish "visions" or "dreams" written hundreds of years ago are very possibly influenced by drugs)

KnifeWRENCH

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I have to say, the best poem on the paper was Oíche Nollag na mBan. It was head and shoulders above anything else on the paper. Really, really good.

Yeah, that was a good enough poem. I was glad it didn't come up on our exam though, because I found it the most difficult to answer on.

Piste wrote: »

I really like Dá mB'fhéidir arís dár gcumman, it was really touching.

Didn't much care for that one - it sounded absolutely ridiculous when we translated it into English.

Uirchill was a pain in the ass because of the old Irish, but the questions on it in the exam were ok.

Maigdileana was a good enough poem. In general though, Irish poetry just wasn't interesting.
On the other hand, while I didn't really like LC English, I loved the poetry section. (Sylvia Plath, you big legend! )

Insect Overlord

Piste wrote: »

I really like Dá mB'fhéidir arís dár gcumman, it was really touching.

I can barely remember that one, but I think I found it a bit too sentimental at the time.

*goes to find old Irish book*