Shamrock Rovers FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

dreamers75

Thankfully its on tv.

stovelid

Derry bring a lot to the league but the fact of the matter remains that you have a situation where a club operates in a different political jurisdiction and as a result a) have stewards that operate as de facto police and garner a wide amount of complaints amongst visiting support and b) the actual police are not able to police the immediate environs of the stadium.

doncarlos

stovelid wrote: »

Derry bring a lot to the league but the fact of the matter remains that you have a situation where a club operates in a different political jurisdiction and as a result a) have stewards that operate as de facto police and garner a wide amount of complaints amongst visiting support and b) the actual police are not able to police the immediate environs of the stadium.

Have to say it's a bit of a crazy situation (Derry lads love that word). As bad as some of the match day security the Gardai provide at least they still provide it. I certainly wouldn't blame Rovers fans for not travelling up to an area that is for all intents and purposes lawless and they are likely to be attacked.

stovelid

doncarlos wrote: »

Have to say it's a bit of a crazy situation (Derry lads love that word). As bad as some of the match day security the Gardai provide at least they still provide it. I certainly wouldn't blame Rovers fans for not travelling up to an area that is for all intents and purposes lawless and they are likely to be attacked.

Loads will still go but just not supporter buses. Only bad parts of a good trip.

Gavin "shels"

dreamers75 wrote: »

Bohs and Rovers only ones with issues afaik.

We had trouble the first time up there last season which was swiftly sorted by the travelling support! Second time up there we went out the non graveyard entrance and the buses parked within the ground. I've suggested on this thread already, just seems the Supporters' Clubs aren't arsed to sort the situation out.

Gavin shels wrote: »

Would yous not get onto your club and ask them to get onto to Derry and get them to let yous out the non-graveyard entrance. That's what our board done after our first visit there when it was raining bottles from the graveyard, relucant Derry where but our board got it in the end.

dreamers75

Gavin shels wrote: »

We had trouble the first time up there last season which was swiftly sorted by the travelling support! .

Who you support?

Gavin "shels"

dreamers75 wrote: »

Who you support?

IBV Vestmannaeyjar!

antomorro-sei

Rovers forum is actually comedy gold. Priceless stuff.

Ebbs

Derry director on RTE saying how wonderful they organised the Bohs fans....

Wasnt that the game with knives, stewards milling fans, bombs and airstrikes?

We complain about the FAI not being very good at promoting the league...when the directors of clubs are delussioned...its easy to see why.

dreamers75

Ebbs wrote: »

.when the directors of clubs are delussioned...its easy to see why.

Worse when the fans and directors are, like your little ticket stunt earlier in the year.

Seen this gem posted on the pats forum taken from foot.ie i think

derry fan wrote:

Derry fan on the rovers forum
Ask yourselves this simple question, why is it always Rovers who have any trouble at the Brandywell. and as for trouble at places like Sligo, Dalymont and Pats, the common denominator is Shamrock Rovers. Having said that i look forward to meeting some of your more genuine fans on Friday night. You all welcome to come for a drink in the Derry City social club, before and after the game. Remember though we don't allow any racism.

rovers fan wrote:

Rovers fan answering him back
**** your invite up your hole you nordy ****.Why would we give the british exchequer any more money than necessary?
Up and back as quickly as possible-as usual!

derry fan wrote:

Derry fan again
Terrible language, hope Magilton and MON don't read it.

stovelid

Almost as comical as seeing a masonic conspiracy in a few tunes.

You've discussed us more than your tie with the icelanders it seems. Nothing new there.

Any truth in the rumours about rogers?

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

Almost as comical as seeing a masonic conspiracy in a few tunes.

You've discussed us more than your tie with the icelanders it seems. Nothing new there.

Any truth in the rumours about rogers?

I may change my tune on the icelanders at around 5pm morrow after the Slovenians play the Borats, seriously i dont want us to go there. Poxiest draw ever.

Lots of rumours about Rogers either going to you or St johnstone. Honestly doubt he go abroad works for Meath GAA "unpaid" and on around 400 a week with us. Imo best keeper in the league but a bigtime confidence player reckon he gets a hug off Mahon before every game.

Either way we get a fee and have Bennion in reserve, if he goes to you lot your ****ed

bohsman

Ebbs wrote: »

Derry director on RTE saying how wonderful they organised the Bohs fans....

Wasnt that the game with knives, stewards milling fans, bombs and airstrikes?

We complain about the FAI not being very good at promoting the league...when the directors of clubs are delussioned...its easy to see why.

Yea, absolute disgrace from the Derry stewards at that one. Bohs ended up with a miniscule fine after the board fought the original disciplinary charges. Bohs, Rovers and others should go to the FAI together over the stewarding etc up there.

flas

where does this myth come from that the psni do not go into the area? it keeps getting peddled out but its simply not true. there is even plain clothes ploice officers in the ground for every game, there has to be for, its an event with a good amount of people, just because their not standing around with big illuminous jackets doesnt mean they arent there!

them quotes by dreamers are priceless aswell!

dfx-

flas wrote: »

where does this myth come from that the psni do not go into the area? it keeps getting peddled out but its simply not true. there is even plain clothes ploice officers in the ground for every game, there has to be for, its an event with a good amount of people, just because their not standing around with big illuminous jackets doesnt mean they arent there!

Why not in uniform?

On a matchnight travelling with Rovers, you cannot think at any LOI ground without seeing a police officer in uniform at some point, even at sleepy Belfield. Except in the Brandywell, not even in the area.

stovelid

dfx- wrote: »

Why not in uniform?

On a matchnight travelling with Rovers, you cannot think at any LOI ground without seeing a police officer in uniform at some point, even at sleepy Belfield. Except in the Brandywell, not even in the area.

Because it might upset the poor mites that are still labouring under the misapprehension that destroying their area and attacking a religiously mixed police force is still a form of self expression and human rights in 2011. While sitting on their holes funded by the British exchequer they profess to hate.

Pedro K

flas wrote: »

where does this myth come from that the psni do not go into the area? it keeps getting peddled out but its simply not true. there is even plain clothes ploice officers in the ground for every game, there has to be for, its an event with a good amount of people, just because their not standing around with big illuminous jackets doesnt mean they arent there!

them quotes by dreamers are priceless aswell!

and when the **** hits the fan these police stand back and leave it all to the stewards? You're talking absolute crap. There is zero police presence in the brandywell on match nights, at least with rovers anyway.

The PSNI have been contacted before during a game regarding the heavy handedness of the stewards to which they replied, 'we don't go there'.

Hard Worker

The PSNI have a plainclothes presence at every game in the Brandywell. It's a necessity for any event in the city. They take no active part in policing or stewarding the event, except in the case of an emergency situation, when they would take over control of the event from the DCFC event controller.
The PSNI do not police the environs of the ground either. This information is available from the PSNI.
Because of the unusual situation in Derry, it is more important than ever that DCFC organise things properly, and that should include safe passage for team and supporters. If they are not able to do that, then the PSNI should be involved.

dreamers75

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14066878.stm

stovelid

dreamers75 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14066878.stm

Got as far as here and went back to watching porn:

However, a PSNI statement said that there had been "no significant disorder in recent years".

Ebbs

dreamers75 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14066878.stm

Shock horror?

Im sure there is loads of pics, claims to insurance companies and hundreds of first hand accounts of the damage done to buses.

No idea how they are denying it didnt happen. I dont recall any one being injured but the windows are very very pricy in terms of actual costs and loss of working hours the driver loses. Pointless statement tbh.

dreamers75

Ebbs wrote: »

Pointless statement tbh.

Safe tho and expected really.

dreamers75

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII

..............................

stovelid

Acceptance is the first step.

Then the Phy...

TheBigLebowski

So Chris Turner isn't a racist then? Well there you go.


Turner banned after FAI investigation
comments by Brendan White
Sat, Jul 09 2011

The FAI have confirmed that the Independent Disciplinary Committee has reached their findings following an investigation regarding complaints of racist behaviour directed at Derry City striker Eamon Zayed.

The Independent Committee have handed Shamrock Rovers midfielder Chris Turner a three match ban for ‘offensive behaviour’, based on the evidence before them for under rule 88.

His club, Shamrock Rovers, have not been sanctioned following a complaint regarding their fans as there was no corroborative evidence in relation to the complaint.

The other club being investigated, St Patrick’s Athletic, have been handed a €200 fine. They have been sanctioned under rule 89 in relation to racist comments made by a small number of supporters. The Independent Committee commended the actions of St Patrick’s Athletic management who have dealt with this tiny minority in a very proactive manner.

RULE 88. OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR
Any Participant who insults someone in any way, especially by using offensive gestures or language, may be sanctioned with a suspension and/or fine and/or a ban on performing any football related activity.

RULE 89. RACISM (Football Association of Ireland Rules effective from 2 March 2011)
1. Any Participant, who publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a derogatory manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other racist and/or contemptuous act, shall be subject to disciplinary sanction. The relevant disciplinary body shall consider and have the power to impose a suspension, fine and/or other sanction as deemed appropriate. In the case of individuals, the minimum suspension shall be for a period of five matches.

2. If spectators engage in racist behaviour, including chanting or displaying racist slogans at a match, the relevant disciplinary body shall sanction the affiliate or club which these spectators support. If the spectators can not be identified as supporters of one or other club/affiliate the host club/affiliate maybe sanctioned.

3. Spectators engaging in racist behaviour may be subject to a disciplinary sanction.

CSF

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

So Chris Turner isn't a racist then? Well there you go.


Turner banned after FAI investigation [\B]
comments by Brendan White
Sat, Jul 09 2011

The FAI have confirmed that the Independent Disciplinary Committee has reached their findings following an investigation regarding complaints of racist behaviour directed at Derry City striker Eamon Zayed.

The Independent Committee have handed Shamrock Rovers midfielder Chris Turner a three match ban for ‘offensive behaviour’, based on the evidence before them for under rule 88.

His club, Shamrock Rovers, have not been sanctioned following a complaint regarding their fans as there was no corroborative evidence in relation to the complaint.

The other club being investigated, St Patrick’s Athletic, have been handed a €200 fine. They have been sanctioned under rule 89 in relation to racist comments made by a small number of supporters. The Independent Committee commended the actions of St Patrick’s Athletic management who have dealt with this tiny minority in a very proactive manner.

RULE 88. OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR
Any Participant who insults someone in any way, especially by using offensive gestures or language, may be sanctioned with a suspension and/or fine and/or a ban on performing any football related activity.

RULE 89. RACISM (Football Association of Ireland Rules effective from 2 March 2011)
1. Any Participant, who publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a derogatory manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other racist and/or contemptuous act, shall be subject to disciplinary sanction. The relevant disciplinary body shall consider and have the power to impose a suspension, fine and/or other sanction as deemed appropriate. In the case of individuals, the minimum suspension shall be for a period of five matches.

2. If spectators engage in racist behaviour, including chanting or displaying racist slogans at a match, the relevant disciplinary body shall sanction the affiliate or club which these spectators support. If the spectators can not be identified as supporters of one or other club/affiliate the host club/affiliate maybe sanctioned.

3. Spectators engaging in racist behaviour may be subject to a disciplinary sanction.

Ah here, don't be silly. Just because the FAI haven't come out and straight out called Chris Turner a racist doesn't mean anything. The fact that a ban has been handed out in this sitation speaks volumes. I reserved judgement on this until after the case had been dealt with and I think I can say now without fear of being proven wrong that Turner is a nasty racist so and so.

Little bit unnerving to see Rovers fans trying to defend him in this situation as opposed to any Bohs fans I saw being appalled by McGuinness.

TheBigLebowski

CSF wrote: »

Ah here, don't be silly. Just because the FAI haven't come out and straight out called Chris Turner a racist doesn't mean anything. The fact that a ban has been handed out in this sitation speaks volumes. I reserved judgement on this until after the case had been dealt with and I think I can say now without fear of being proven wrong that Turner is a nasty racist so and so.

Little bit unnerving to see Rovers fans trying to defend him in this situation as opposed to any Bohs fans I saw being appalled by McGuinness.

Are you for real. You're going to reserve judgement til after the case are you? And then when he's found not guilty of the charge, you're going to make a judgement that goes against a decision of the investigators (you know the people who had all the evidence at hand)? Unless you have other evidence that they didn't have, do you?

Reserve judgement my arse....

CSF

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Are you for real. You're going to reserve judgement til after the case are you? And then when he's found not guilty of the charge, you're going to make a judgement that goes against a decision of the investigators (you know the people who had all the evidence at hand)? Unless you have other evidence do you?

Reserve judgement my arse....

He was not found not guilty of anything. This is not a true statement.
He was found guilty of making an offensive slur after an accusation of racism. What do you think the slur was? If you wish to ignore logic and the obvious because the player in question plays for Shamrock Rovers, that is perfectly ok for you to do. It says a fair bit but sure, not my problem.

You would hope the more logical minded Shamrock Rovers would come out and condemn Chris Turner like the Bohs fans did McGuinness. In the end what he actually said, will come out and you'll just end up looking like fools otherwise.

TheBigLebowski

CSF wrote: »

He was not found not guilty of anything. This is not a true statement.
He was found guilty of making an offensive slur after an accusation of racism. What do you think the slur was? If you wish to ignore logic and the obvious because the player in question plays for Shamrock Rovers, that is perfectly ok for you to do. It says a fair bit but sure, not my problem.

You would hope the more logical minded Shamrock Rovers would come out and condemn Chris Turner like the Bohs fans did McGuinness. In the end what he actually said, will come out and you'll just end up looking like fools otherwise.

Eh you actually have it completely arseways.

The FAI have separate rules for Abusive behaviour (rule 88) and Racist behaviour (rule 89). If you read the report, you will see that.

Chris Turner was charged with racist behaviour i.e. breaking rule 89. He was not found guilty of breaking rule 89 but he was found guilty of breaking rule 88.

I'm sorry, but they are the facts. I know it hurts you, but making racist allegations against someone does not automatically mean that those allegations are true.

CSF

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Eh you actually have it completely arseways.

The FAI have separate rules for Abusive behaviour (rule 88) and Racist behaviour (rule 89). If you read the report, you will see that.

Chris Turner was charged with racist behaviour i.e. breaking rule 89. He was not found guilty of breaking rule 89 but he was found guilty of breaking rule 88.

I'm sorry, but they are the facts. I know it hurts you, but making racist allegations against someone does not automatically mean that those allegations are true.

I'm not even going to bother to argue with you any further, Rovers fans are the same with everything. Embarassing.

stovelid

Is being called an orange bastard and c8nt for nearly a whole match offensive I wonder.

McGuinness got a five match ban for a racist comment that he owned up to (although would he have if there were no witnesses?) Don't know what turner said but the ban is smaller and he was not charged with making a racist comment. The categorisation must exist as pats were done for it in that same judgement.

If turner did make a racist comment he should be punished which goes without saying but I wonder why they just haven't confirmed what it was.

No wonder Rovers supporters on here get defensive. Some of you seen more interested in bad stories about us than even discussing your own club. Your lot nearly killed a boy a while back and nobody gave a **** on here.

TheBigLebowski

CSF wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother to argue with you any further

That's because you don't have an argument as I have just proven.

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

Is being called an orange bastard and c8nt for nearly a whole match offensive I wonder.

McGuinness got a five match ban for a racist comment that if owned up to. Don't know what turner said but the ban is smaller and he was not charged with making a racist comment. The categorisation must exist as pats were done for it in that same judgement.

If turner did make a racist comment he should be punished which goes without saying but I wonder why they just haven't confirmed what it was.

No wonder Rovers supporters on here get defensive. Some of you seen more interested in bad stories about us than even discussing your own club. Your lot nearly killed a boy a while back and nobody gave a **** on here.

Wasn't really discussed on here though, if there was a thread you can be sure we wouldn't be defending the lads. If you read our forum you'll see that our fans were disgusted by it, including myself. I hope the people who did it see jail.

dfx-

CSF wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother to argue with you any further, Rovers fans are the same with everything. Embarassing.

You're not going to argue because you don't have an argument. Other than a well publicised dislike of Rovers. Despite reserving judgement...ha

CSF

dfx- wrote: »

You're not going to argue because you don't have an argument. Other than a well publicised dislike of Rovers. Despite reserving judgement...ha

I have an argument
http://foot.ie/threads/152750-FAI-Investigate-Alleged-Racist-Abuse-Of-Zayed/page20

You don't need to be too imaginative to guess which poster I am. My unwillingness to argue it out on here is my knowledge that the vast majority of Shamrock Rovers fans will blindly deny it on here regardless.

To quote stovelid's example of the Cork fan from the Shels game, us Shels fans could just as easily come out with tripe like 'no1 has been charged or convicted, no proof', but we don't do things like that. Not just Shels, but the rest of the league. All of us have our problems, some clubs larger than others, but at least the rest of the league can accept them and condemn them as opposed to everything anywhere being someone elses fault.

That is where the bulk of my dislike of Rovers stems from. Not because they're champions or because they're better than the rest of us on the pitch. I can admit all that, but I felt the same way beforehand, when Bohs were dominating, when we were dominating. That is why I'm trying to avoid getting an argument with Rovers fans on here, because there is no winning.

stovelid

CSF wrote: »

Wasn't really discussed on here though, if there was a thread you can be sure we wouldn't be defending the lads. If you read our forumans were disgusted by it, including myself. I hope the people who did it see jail.

The point is that none of us started a thread. If it was Rovers fans involved the thread would still be on The first page.

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

The point is that none of us started a thread. If it was Rovers fans involved the thread would still be on The first page.

I agree with you on that to an extent. Things do tend to come out worse when it is Rovers. But a large part of that comes down to the fact that more often than not when there is controversy in the league that Rovers are involved in some way or other, and also the fact that you're so much less likely to get a 'yep, it happened, shouldn't have happened, people who did it are scum' type response like you would if such a thread was made.

TheBigLebowski

CSF wrote: »

I have an argument
http://foot.ie/threads/152750-FAI-Investigate-Alleged-Racist-Abuse-Of-Zayed/page20

You don't need to be too imaginative to guess which poster I am. My unwillingness to argue it out on here is my knowledge that the vast majority of Shamrock Rovers fans will blindly deny it on here regardless.

To quote stovelid's example of the Cork fan from the Shels game, us Shels fans could just as easily come out with tripe like 'no1 has been charged or convicted, no proof', but we don't do things like that. Not just Shels, but the rest of the league. All of us have our problems, some clubs larger than others, but at least the rest of the league can accept them and condemn them as opposed to everything anywhere being someone elses fault.

That is where the bulk of my dislike of Rovers stems from. Not because they're champions or because they're better than the rest of us on the pitch. I can admit all that, but I felt the same way beforehand, when Bohs were dominating, when we were dominating. That is why I'm trying to avoid getting an argument with Rovers fans on here, because there is no winning.

That's not an argument. That's clutching at straws.

TheBigLebowski

CSF wrote: »

To be fair it means he said what he was accused of saying, .

In fairness that's just lies. He was accused of racism (rule 89) and was found guilty of offensive behaviour (rule 89) which are 2 different things.

CSF wrote: »

the FAI certainly aren't the judge of what constitutes racism and what doesn't.

What kind of nonsense is that? The FAI disciplinary panel are there to judge exactly that, and in this case, they judged that Turner was not guilty of racist behaviour. It's a fairly open and shut case.

Gavin "shels"

stovelid wrote: »

No wonder Rovers supporters on here get defensive. Some of you seen more interested in bad stories about us than even discussing your own club. Your lot nearly killed a boy a while back and nobody gave a **** on here.

Go back an check our forum, the official facebook page and people from our club going down to visit your man down in Cork. Our club tries to tackle stuff that happens that regards Shels "fans" inside or outside the ground, if they didn't then why have members of the club been doing interviews with the guards, why have the club been assisting with the guards since the night the incident happened.

dfx-

CSF wrote: »

I have an argument
http://foot.ie/threads/152750-FAI-Investigate-Alleged-Racist-Abuse-Of-Zayed/page20

That is where the bulk of my dislike of Rovers stems from. Not because they're champions or because they're better than the rest of us on the pitch. I can admit all that, but I felt the same way beforehand, when Bohs were dominating, when we were dominating. That is why I'm trying to avoid getting an argument with Rovers fans on here, because there is no winning.

The facts are Turner was accused of something. He was found guilty of something else, he was banned under a different rule to that of racism.

Rovers fans are saying nothing else here but the actual outcome from the investigation and reading from it. You're interpreting it otherwise with conspiracies about the FAI sidestepping the issue and how the ban must mean it was a racist comment. So what issue you have with Rovers fans here arguing against that sort of nonsense is a mystery.

dreamers75

If hes been banned for making a comment and it becomes normal to ban players for making a comment.

Wont be many players available for matches.

stovelid

Thankfully Turner only gets called an Orange c8nt and bastard which doesn't count.

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

Thankfully Turner only gets called an Orange c8nt and bastard which doesn't count.

It does count. It is racist.

Ebbs

Chris turner was found innocent of racism. He was found guilty of offensive behavior and people are still arguing.

How people are having a go at rovers fans is beyond me. Obviously we are defending our player and fans. You're very quick to assume he was guilty and our fans were making racist chants with absolutely no evidence. Obviously we cant know every fact or hear every word mumbled on the pitch but we're going to you know...stick to the law, innocent till proven guilty.

Odd how you come out and attack rovers fans after the fans and the players was judged innocent.

Offensive behaviour is a silly law. People need to grow up ffs, im sure theres more "offensive" behaviour at an u12s derby match.

bohsman

CSF wrote: »

It does count. It is racist.

It really isn't. Is protestant a race now? Not that I'm condoning sectarianism.

Is being called sellout free state bstards by Derry fans racist?

stovelid

CSF wrote: »

It does count. It is racist.

I was being sarcastic.

It's not racist but it's sectarian and equally bad.

bohsman wrote: »

Is being called sellout free state bstards by Derry fans racist?

By this token I assume that they would laugh off similar abuse from Linfield or Glentoran?

Ebbs

bohsman wrote: »

Is being called sellout free state bstards by Derry fans racist?

They (Derry)were singing "Whats it like to have a queen" a few weeks ago in tallaght.

Fine surely

dreamers75

Dunno if it was posted but Turner said "gaddafis love child" to Zayed.

citytillidie

Ebbs wrote: »

They (Derry)were singing "Whats it like to have a queen" a few weeks ago in tallaght.

Fine surely

Maybe getting it in before the usual chant from most fans from Dublin