Local Elections 2009

Sully

Joey the lips wrote: »

As I said whats the story christ with battering sinn fein you seem to have it in for them. What ever they get they get its clear your not going to vote for them but consider this.... A socialist goverment cannot mess up an economy any more and we need a socialist goverment. Dont tell me labour with their FG pact is socialist. You are fam with the word "sticky" Well labour is essentially run by the stickies which are ex workers party IRA men so thread carefully if it was good enough for labour its good enough for sinn fein

Finally lets call it as it is. SF are more outspoken and radical than any of the 3 main ie FF/FG/LABOUR So why the hell should I not vote them

Please don't tell me you would trust SF to run the country? Id take a FF dominated government over a SF one any day! SF offer very little at the moment to this country and are most certainly nowhere near as outspoken as other party's. Any waffle they come out with isn't anywhere near as good as other party's. The last thing this country needs is SF and lets face it - the election results clearly state that only a small percentage of this country would like them elected.

Besides the fact they offer very little the bigger picture is their past is very rough and some of their supporters would be on the dodgy side. I would run out of this country if SF were in government. But anyway, that's never going to happen. Christ sake, even the Greens do better. As did the PDs and Independent as similar sized groups.

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

ok joey quite simply im callin it as it is. ask anyone here and they wil tel u the same thing. just bcoz u are a SF supporter and dont like it does not mean u can mouth off like that. we all have to accept in some stage in life that things just dont always work out like u want them to.

secondly, labour dont have a pact with FG.

thirdly, we do not need a socialist govt. we need a govt of the centre. one that will attract investment from foreign industries and support workers at the same time. left wing drives away investment from industries and right wing oppresses the workers. centre = good

lastly, i didnt tel u not to vote for them. i only asked why u were. so less of the jumpin down me throat

Mod Note: Think before you post. You are doing yourself no favours and should be able to construct your posts better. That means, drop the txt spk.

Joey the lips wrote: »

I am not jumping down your throat but you askedme why I was voteing them I explained then you said not a good reason and decided to declare that your not voting them so really its you that is jumping down my throat

But enough said your voting so that counts.

On the pact thing. A centre goverment is what we have. Brush it up its what we have.

We need socialist policies now not capilist policies. Foreign industry is using this country that it Simple and we need more home grown industry we have nothing.... I see the new printer lads in this country designed can produce 3 D objects. They plan to get this mass produced in China. Why? Why? is it allowed, Free trade thats why.

So a centre goverment we dont need and I GUARANTEE pat rabbit and Eamonn Gilmore are just oppertuneistic(Mis spel) and I know they will go into power with FG.

I will stake my reputation on it.

Pat Rabbit? Whats he got to do with anything? They had a pact with FG last year, but I cant see Gilmore doing it this year. Maybe if the time comes (though id assume FG would get a majority without needing Labour) they would go with FG but the thing about Labour is they would get into government with anybody. They are the most vocal party at the moment, clearly, but if you watch them they squeal like FF do when asked direct questions. The only party that doesn't is FG.

Anyway, this thread is for local politics. Its good to have a small debate on the party image as its effectively a big part of local elections but lets not forget this is mainly about the local candidates and what they can offer if elected to our local government.

Joey the lips

Sully wrote: »

Please don't tell me you would trust SF to run the country? Id take a FF dominated government over a SF one any day! SF offer very little at the moment to this country and are most certainly nowhere near as outspoken as other party's. Any waffle they come out with isn't anywhere near as good as other party's. The last thing this country needs is SF and lets face it - the election results clearly state that only a small percentage of this country would like them elected.

Besides the fact they offer very little the bigger picture is their past is very rough and some of their supporters would be on the dodgy side. I would run out of this country if SF were in government. But anyway, that's never going to happen. Christ sake, even the Greens do better. As did the PDs and Independent as similar sized groups.



Mod Note: Think before you post. You are doing yourself no favours and should be able to construct your posts better. That means, drop the txt spk.



Pat Rabbit? Whats he got to do with anything? They had a pact with FG last year, but I cant see Gilmore doing it this year. Maybe if the time comes (though id assume FG would get a majority without needing Labour) they would go with FG but the thing about Labour is they would get into government with anybody. They are the most vocal party at the moment, clearly, but if you watch them they squeal like FF do when asked direct questions. The only party that doesn't is FG.

Anyway, this thread is for local politics. Its good to have a small debate on the party image as its effectively a big part of local elections but lets not forget this is mainly about the local candidates and what they can offer if elected to our local government.

To address your point: Trust sinn fein? Why not? We trust labour Pat Rabbit and Eamonn gilmore were members of WP which was the original Sinn Fein we trust them? Dont we. So why not! I am mis reading the results cause I make SF out to be second!

As for dodgy supporters If I put on a suit and sit behind a desk am I really any more qualified to rip off the economy!

Lastly: Pat Rabbit is as much involved in Politics now as he ever was. He is the original Sticky and him with Ruari quinn has steered labour on its current course.

I was a labour man for years. Loved them, agreed with them. But to me they are gone. I think its disgraceful they get to hang their banner from Liberty hall.

I have to say but their seems to be an association that SF are full of dodgy people. I read that they are rated as one of the most organised parties in the country and like all parties when it comes down to work the slackers and wasters will drop off leaving the workers to work as such.

All politics while national is local at the end of the day cause no amount of national policy is going to make you vote if you still drive through a hole mine field everyday

jiggajt

Sully wrote: »

Besides the fact they offer very little the bigger picture is their past is very rough and some of their supporters would be on the dodgy side. I would run out of this country if SF were in government.

It is interesting that your so vehemently against sinn fein. Why single their past out as supposed to the other parties "dodgy" past. Is it because you were alive for said dodgy past. The only party in this country that doesnt have blood on its hands is the greens.

With regards to the dodgy supporters i would agree. There is a certain kerry td with an alleged very dodgy past but then again most of the first dail in 1918 had similar pasts.

Threadhead

Just wondering if there's anyone who is running in the local elections contributing to this thread?

Because I have a sneaking suspicion that someone might be using a different name than one they usually do on this forum.

And text speak is a pretty obvious way of changing your writing style.

Joey the lips

Threadhead wrote: »

Just wondering if there's anyone who is running in the local elections contributing to this thread?

Because I have a sneaking suspicion that someone might be using a different name than one they usually do on this forum.

And text speak is a pretty obvious way of changing your writing style.

Well said I thought the exact same thing and I suspect its someone running for labour!!!!!

Threadhead

So maybe there's two on here?

Because I think there's a certain Fine Gael candidate posting here at the moment as well.

jiggajt

I reckon Mc Guinness, Coonan and Malone are on here too. Who else would have voted for Fianna Fail!

Threadhead

That's a very good point.

Welcome to the debate lads! Best of luck!

jiggajt

I think it would be better for them to admit who they are and engage with us. It would be like kind of e-canvassing.

Threadhead

Yeah, that's a great point.

We vote anonymously so it's entirely valid that we would retain the same anonymity whilst we discuss local politics on a public forum.

They however, should be entirely transparent. And I don't see why they need to float around this forum and indeed, on this thread under false names or with multiple accounts.

Sully

jiggajt wrote: »

It is interesting that your so vehemently against sinn fein. Why single their past out as supposed to the other parties "dodgy" past. Is it because you were alive for said dodgy past. The only party in this country that doesnt have blood on its hands is the greens.

With regards to the dodgy supporters i would agree. There is a certain kerry td with an alleged very dodgy past but then again most of the first dail in 1918 had similar pasts.

Its more of a lack of trust and faith. I have seen some of the local candidates do some excellent work but I just cant put a tick beside the party name as I simply dont trust it. Its different then other partys which offer more, their supporters are different and overall are better partys.

Joey the lips wrote: »

To address your point: Trust sinn fein? Why not? We trust labour Pat Rabbit and Eamonn gilmore were members of WP which was the original Sinn Fein we trust them? Dont we. So why not! I am mis reading the results cause I make SF out to be second!

As for dodgy supporters If I put on a suit and sit behind a desk am I really any more qualified to rip off the economy!

Lastly: Pat Rabbit is as much involved in Politics now as he ever was. He is the original Sticky and him with Ruari quinn has steered labour on its current course.

I was a labour man for years. Loved them, agreed with them. But to me they are gone. I think its disgraceful they get to hang their banner from Liberty hall.

I have to say but their seems to be an association that SF are full of dodgy people. I read that they are rated as one of the most organised parties in the country and like all parties when it comes down to work the slackers and wasters will drop off leaving the workers to work as such.

All politics while national is local at the end of the day cause no amount of national policy is going to make you vote if you still drive through a hole mine field everyday

What turned you against Labour? They seem to be doing very well at the moment compared to other partys (catching up on FG for example)! Labour sounded good until I watched some of them being questioned and they acted the exact same way FF would by dodging the question and giving alternative answers. That put me off as I want a party thats not afraid to speak and offers proper alternatives.

SF are a tiny party but are offering nothing for the Irish people to be in a national government. Maybe with more work over the next decade or so things will improve but for now, judging by their plans alone I would not want them in power in this country.

Threadhead wrote: »

So maybe there's two on here?

Because I think there's a certain Fine Gael candidate posting here at the moment as well.

I believe that FG candidate has stated who he is on the forum. Waterford has a Green Party candidate and an Indepdendent (who doesnt post at all lately) posting. There might be others in hiding, and if they are, they should identify themselves and stop hiding behind a username plugging their party etc.

Threadhead wrote: »

Just wondering if there's anyone who is running in the local elections contributing to this thread?

Because I have a sneaking suspicion that someone might be using a different name than one they usually do on this forum.

And text speak is a pretty obvious way of changing your writing style.

I assume the text speak was done as the poster was rushing and not thinking. Said poster is a FG candidate and has stated so.

Threadhead

That's fair enough but I have to ask why he's posting under two different names?

jiggajt

Sully wrote: »

Maybe with more work over the next decade or so things will improve but for now, judging by their plans alone I would not want them in power in this country.

This is a bit more rational and relaxed than your "forced emigration if sinn fein were to get into power" stance earlier.

I believe sinn fein will improve over the next decade. But they will only do so through the work and support of intelligent articulate people. Maybe they'll be back in power by the 100th aniversary of the 1918 election! :eek:

Sully

Threadhead wrote: »

That's fair enough but I have to ask why he's posting under two different names?

Im not sure that the FG candidate is as I didnt check. Even if he is, there isnt a problem as long as its not being used to boost his other accounts opinion or evade a ban. Its just one way of keeping personal account from work account seperate. Like having two phones - business and personal.

jiggajt wrote: »

This is a bit more rational and relaxed than your "forced emigration if sinn fein were to get into power" stance earlier.

I believe sinn fein will improve over the next decade. But they will only do so through the work and support of intelligent articulate people. Maybe they'll be back in power by the 100th aniversary of the 1918 election! :eek:

Id probably leave the country if people voted them in though. Id hate to live here with SF in power. Sad thing is, Labour would probably go into power with them. FG wont, I dont think FF/Greens would either.

ChristIsMurph

Threadhead wrote: »

Just wondering if there's anyone who is running in the local elections contributing to this thread?

Because I have a sneaking suspicion that someone might be using a different name than one they usually do on this forum.

And text speak is a pretty obvious way of changing your writing style.

You are probably referring to me. As someone pointed out I did say on this forum already who I was. Not on this thread but in "What younger voters want..."

The text speak thing is just me being ridiculously busy and finding it easier and quicker to just type in such a manner. Once someone says they have a problem with it, I stop, which Sully did, and I have done.

However, I never denied who I was on here anyway. I have no idea are any of the other candidates on here though. I know one or two are contributors on Politics.ie alright. I also am not posting under any other names on Boards. I am only posting under this name.

Oh and in case I wasn't clear enough, I'm Darren Murphy everybody

Joey the lips

Unbelievable so you had no basis to attack my beliefs as you never intended agreeing with me.

My god you know how to cause damage to your credability.

That was political suicide - really

Stick to canvassing on doors at least they can be shut

Like this one - Goodbye!

ChristIsMurph

Joey the lips wrote: »

Unbelievable so you had no basis to attack my beliefs as you never intended agreeing with me.

My god you know how to cause damage to your credability.

That was political suicide - really

Stick to canvassing on doors at least they can be shut

Like this one - Goodbye!

No I had a basis as a voter. I wasn't attacking you beliefs moreso SF policy. I'm entitled to do so, we are all here to discuss the local elections and I quite simply felt that SF cannot offer us what we need. I'm an FG member, so of course I'll support the majority of FG policies. But if another party does come up with a credible policy I will turn around and say I agree with that and believe we should use it. However, I have not seen anything from SF that I feel is good enough to be used.

I don't see how that is political suicide really. I'm not being a prick like I'm actually just saying how my opinion can differ from yours. It's practically my job as a candidate to convince you that our policies are the best for this country (which I do believe), so can I just ask how you see it as political suicide? And damaging to my credibility?

Sully

Joey the lips wrote: »

Unbelievable so you had no basis to attack my beliefs as you never intended agreeing with me.

My god you know how to cause damage to your credability.

That was political suicide - really

Stick to canvassing on doors at least they can be shut

Like this one - Goodbye!

I disagree. The only credibility he has damaged is using txt speak. His comments about SF a lot of this country agree with. You will find a load of people on Boards agree with him. On some forums you would be met with a lot of resistance for supporting SF. Seen it in the past. Overall, the chap has been very good on the forum and if I was from KK id probably give the lad a vote.

As for canvassing on doors... highly unlikely. In fact, during my time canvassing, any SF'r I met were polite about not being interested. Everyone else listened and were pretty decent.

jiggajt

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

Oh and in case I wasn't clear enough, I'm Darren Murphy everybody

Fair play Darren. Im might disagree with some of your views on SF but its good that your willing to engage on boards.

As a matter of interest what do you think should be done with regards to sustainable job creation in Kilkenny? How come we loose all pharm companies and factories to carlow, clonmel, waterford. If you get in will you be following the current councilers policies of exclusivity in the city or encouraging growth. Be honest as there is a fair argument for both. (Exclusivity does preserve the cities heritage, history etc. but it does leave the working class in Kilkenny jobless or make them travel for work.)

brettmirl

jiggajt wrote: »

Fair play Darren. Im might disagree with some of your views on SF but its good that your willing to engage on boards.

As a matter of interest what do you think should be done with regards to sustainable job creation in Kilkenny? How come we loose all pharm companies and factories to carlow, clonmel, waterford. If you get in will you be following the current councilers policies of exclusivity in the city or encouraging growth. Be honest as there is a fair argument for both. (Exclusivity does preserve the cities heritage, history etc. but it does leave the working class in Kilkenny jobless or make them travel for work.)

There's nothing the local councillors can do on that apart from lobby the Government and agencies like the IDA to change their policy.

Kilkenny is not a "target" for the IDA to get industry or jobs into, whereas Clonmel, Carlow, Dundalk, Limerick, etc are.

ChristIsMurph

Thank you very much Sully for the kind words, I can only hope people in Kilkenny think along the same lines as you

Mick is partially right with what local councillors can do. What we can do in Kilkenny is rezone lands just outside the city to Industrial land, this will allow businesses to establish themselves easier, more Industrial land we have, cheaper the land costs, no struggle to buy this land. From my own campaign I am trying to do several things such as upgrading broadband in Kilkenny, looking for a study into the possibility of an IT in Kilkenny and an improved and integrated public transport system. Each of these will lead to better quality of life in Kilkenny, better infrastructure, industry and create jobs all at the same time.

Nightwish

I wouldnt agree to setting up an IT in Kilkenny. There are already 2 well established in the region. It would be nice to have a KK campus though, with maybe a faculty or two. Can anything be done to attract business here, because it seems to be that Kilkenny is scaring them away. Harvey Norman wont be opening because of the high rents. Another group of business people warned the council about a year ago, that the rent was a barrier to setting up in Kilkenny. If I recall correctly, they wanted to open some form of leisureplex but of all the locations were far too expensive. We've half empty business parks. Why cant Kilkenny attract high quality jobs rather than retail/call centre?
I would love to stay here in the future but to be honest, my career will go nowhere if I do.

brettmirl

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

Mick is partially right with what local councillors can do. What we can do in Kilkenny is rezone lands just outside the city to Industrial land, this will allow businesses to establish themselves easier, more Industrial land we have, cheaper the land costs, no struggle to buy this land. From my own campaign I am trying to do several things such as upgrading broadband in Kilkenny, looking for a study into the possibility of an IT in Kilkenny and an improved and integrated public transport system. Each of these will lead to better quality of life in Kilkenny, better infrastructure, industry and create jobs all at the same time.

Good luck with trying to get improved better broadband for Kilkenny...

What you mean about the integrated public transport system? Can you give a little more detail what you would achieve as a councillor?

ChristIsMurph

Nightwish wrote: »

I wouldnt agree to setting up an IT in Kilkenny. There are already 2 well established in the region. It would be nice to have a KK campus though, with maybe a faculty or two. Can anything be done to attract business here, because it seems to be that Kilkenny is scaring them away. Harvey Norman wont be opening because of the high rents. Another group of business people warned the council about a year ago, that the rent was a barrier to setting up in Kilkenny. If I recall correctly, they wanted to open some form of leisureplex but of all the locations were far too expensive. We've half empty business parks. Why cant Kilkenny attract high quality jobs rather than retail/call centre?
I would love to stay here in the future but to be honest, my career will go nowhere if I do.

The IT would be set up once WIT gains uni status. There would be a gap for a new IT in the area and with Kilkenny having the better of a public transport system in the South East for inter county transport this would put us in the best position to apply for it.

The rents will drop, when they do hopefully these business parks will fill.

mick_irl wrote: »

Good luck with trying to get improved better broadband for Kilkenny...

What you mean about the integrated public transport system? Can you give a little more detail what you would achieve as a councillor?

Better broadband is achieveable. It's been done in Dublin, we can definately do it in Kilkenny.

Integrated as in it will link all forms of public transport in Kilkenny together. And improved as in it will service more areas and more than just twice a day.

WHat I hope to achieve as a councillor is to improve Kilkenny and prepare us for the upturn in the economy. We need to realise what is important at the moment and what can make our city better for when the upturn does come, because we all know that it will. Things like better healthcare, public transport, renewable energy, education, etc. If these areas are up to scratch come the upturn, we will be in a much better situation to really take advantage of it. In the meantime they make Kilkenny a much more attractive place for any industry which does want to come here and also gives a better quality of life in Kilkenny.

Nightwish

I dont feel Kilkenny is large enough to warrant a dedicated bus service. All of the areas on the outskirts of town are no more than a 15-20 minute walk to town. Anytime I've passed the Kilkenny bus, theres very little using it. I honestly dont feel that if the frequency were increased that the passenger numbers will do likewise. Would it not be more beneficial to have a demand lead service like they do in some rural areas, whereby if you need the bus (a minibus at that!), it will come to you. That kind of service has proved very popular amongst the elderly, who are the main users of the existing bus.

Firetrap

Nightwish wrote: »

I wouldnt agree to setting up an IT in Kilkenny. There are already 2 well established in the region. It would be nice to have a KK campus though, with maybe a faculty or two. Can anything be done to attract business here, because it seems to be that Kilkenny is scaring them away. Harvey Norman wont be opening because of the high rents. Another group of business people warned the council about a year ago, that the rent was a barrier to setting up in Kilkenny. If I recall correctly, they wanted to open some form of leisureplex but of all the locations were far too expensive. We've half empty business parks. Why cant Kilkenny attract high quality jobs rather than retail/call centre?
I would love to stay here in the future but to be honest, my career will go nowhere if I do.

Yep, I agree. What's the point in looking for an I.T./University when there are no jobs locally for the graduates. Your suggestion for a campus would make more sense. We're only 20 miles away from Carlow and 30 from Waahurfurd. The only people who would benefit from having students in the city would be landlords and publicans :rolleyes:

The powers that be in Kilkenny should be more pro-business rather than trying to protect their own businesses. Kilkenny needs better infrastructure to attract business. Better roads. Better broadband. Incentives to set up here rather than in other towns in the region. Better rail service.

jiggajt

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

The rents will drop, when they do hopefully these business parks will fill.

I wouldnt be so sure of this. I heard recently that high street has the third highest rents in the country after grafton st in dublin and shop st in galway!

If we gave the same tax benefits to local and small businesses that we give to the major multinationals then local business might become sustainable. Its outside the remit of a councillor I know but something to think about nonetheless.

BeatNikDub

Note to Sully: I couldnt agree with your comments more.

I lived in KK for 2 and half years and if I was there I would be voted FG and then Labour based on the candidates last time round.

brettmirl

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

The IT would be set up once WIT gains uni status. There would be a gap for a new IT in the area and with Kilkenny having the better of a public transport system in the South East for inter county transport this would put us in the best position to apply for it.

Honestly, I dont think we will ever see a full scale IT in Kilkenny. Especially not any time in the near future. Carlow and Waterford are too close, plus there is the Tipp Institute in Clonmel and Thurles too.

It would cost too much money to set up a new IT when money from the eduction budget is sorely needed at primary and secondary level.

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

Better broadband is achieveable. It's been done in Dublin, we can definately do it in Kilkenny.

The population and business base is there in Dublin to make it commercially viable for better broadband services. The same cannot be said for Kilkenny.
How as a memeber of the Borough council, would you ensure an improved service?

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

Integrated as in it will link all forms of public transport in Kilkenny together. And improved as in it will service more areas and more than just twice a day.

Sure doesn't the bus stop at the train station, how much more integration to you want :pac:

Dub.

Same here, Sinn Fein number 1, independents 2.

Time for real change