Arsenal V Hull - FA Cup March 17th 2009

Beau x1

My god, I agree the last goal was offside for us and that's football no matter how sick it feels; but the accusation about Fabregas is completely uncalled for. Funny how they're only filing the complaint now even though it happened ages ago, I'm sure if they won the game it would have never been like this.

Also I'm very sure Fabregas didn't spit at the assistant manager; he probably accidently spat at him while talking or clearing his mouth after the game and now Hull are making a thing of it.

As for Wengers interview after the game, all I can say as a fan is what a legend.

Guy:Incognito

Beau x1 wrote: »

. Funny how they're only filing the complaint now even though it happened ages ago, I'm sure if they won the game it would have never been like this.
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? It only happened about 45 minutes ago. Thats a bit short for the statute of limitations to kick in.

Beau x1 wrote: »

Also I'm very sure Fabregas didn't spit at the assistant manager; he probably accidently spat at him while talking or clearing his mouth after the game and now Hull are making a thing of it..

Sitting down for 90 minutes got him all bunged up did it?

Frisbee

Was in work so didn't see the game.
Can't wait to see the headlines tomorrow as the rags try and make as many headlines using the word 'spit' as they can.

I for one can't see Fabregas spitting at the Hull assistant manager (or anyone) but I'm sure we'll have the truth in the next few days when the FA look at it.

Helix

Beau x1 wrote: »

Also I'm very sure Fabregas didn't spit at the assistant manager; he probably accidently spat at him while talking or clearing his mouth after the game and now Hull are making a thing of it.

oh dear lord

tony1kenobi

Frisbee wrote: »

I for one can't see Fabregas spitting at the Hull assistant manager (or anyone) but I'm sure we'll have the truth in the next few days when the FA look at it.

It'll be dried up and cruddy by then.

Tomorrows Sun headline suggestion:

"Horton hears a flob"

Beau x1

My apologies, I thought they were talking about a previous game when Fabregas was playing.

Still though, I stand by my opinion that it's very out of his character to do something like that.

Frisbee

http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2009/03/17/Prem-Phil-Brown-reaction/gnid-44803/

Phil Brown wrote:

“The game was turned on its head when the referee succumbed to local pressure, shall we call it. Arsene Wenger got my goalkeeper booked for time wasting. It’s an absolute disgrace to tell you the truth."

(I haven't seen the game so I didn't see the booking, but I can only assume Myhill was taking his time over a lot of his goal kicks to try and wind the clock down?)

Arsene Wenger got your goalie a yellow card for doing something that deserves a yellow card?
The referee succumbed to local pressure by following the rules?
Van der Sar was booked on Saturday for wasting time before the peno and we don't hear Fergie moaning about it.

It's funny how we've only started hearing whinging out of Brown when Hull started slipping down the league...

amacachi

Frisbee wrote: »

It's funny how we've only started hearing whinging out of Brown when Hull started slipping down the league...

QFT.

Guy:Incognito

Frisbee wrote: »

It's funny how we've only started hearing whinging out of Brown when Hull started slipping down the league...

...and when Arsenal players started spitting (allegedly) at his staff.

Arsenal have been consistently in the top 4 for the last decade. Whats Wengers excuse for being stroppy and rude?

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tony1kenobi wrote: »

You a Spud fan?

Do I like potatoes you ask? They are quite tasty yes :rolleyes:

tony1kenobi

Frisbee wrote: »

http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2009/03/17/Prem-Phil-Brown-reaction/gnid-44803/



(I haven't seen the game so I didn't see the booking, but I can only assume Myhill was taking his time over a lot of his goal kicks to try and wind the clock down?)

Arsene Wenger got your goalie a yellow card for doing something that deserves a yellow card?
The referee succumbed to local pressure by following the rules?
Van der Sar was booked on Saturday for wasting time before the peno and we don't hear Fergie moaning about it.

It's funny how we've only started hearing whinging out of Brown when Hull started slipping down the league...

To be fair the ref was useless.....really really useless......and I didn't notice any over the top time wasting by Hull......but for Brown to complain about the fans reaction influencing the game is just sh1te.....the fans can do as they please (except Spurs fans in games involving Sol Campbell).....and it is not something Phil Brown should hold up as an excuse for his teams loss......how would they get on at Galatasary if that is his feeling on the subject?

Morf

I reckon Gallas's goal wasn't offside because the ball came off Myhill last. I don't think hull were robbed either. The one just after where Arshavin was called offside wasn't as it was a huge deflection off the Hull defender and Bendtner had an open goal to tap in to (i'm presuming he can do that much).

Frisbee

Morf wrote: »

I reckon Gallas's goal wasn't offside because the ball came off Myhill last.

I was just about to say this.
Just watched the goals and if you look at the last replay on this video the ball clearly comes off Myhill's fist.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2230012/

Morf

Frisbee wrote: »

I was just about to say this.
Just watched the goals and if you look at the last replay on this video the ball clearly comes off Myhill's fist.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2230012/

Offside is so complicated these days that i'm not even certain that negates Gallas being offside.

eagle eye

Well if Fabregas did do that he should be banned for the rest of the season at the very least.

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Frisbee wrote: »

I was just about to say this.
Just watched the goals and if you look at the last replay on this video the ball clearly comes off Myhill's fist.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2230012/

That's completley irrelevent. The ball was flicked onto his fist by the defender, that's just a deflection. How is that any different to a shot being parried by he keeper out to a striker in an offside position?

eagle eye

Morf wrote: »

Offside is so complicated these days that i'm not even certain that negates Gallas being offside.

Gallas was offside, the ball was hit by an Arsenal player and Gallas was offside at that point, the fact that it hit the keeper is irrelevant as Gallas was offside the moment his own player touched it.

Frisbee

eagle eye wrote: »

Well if Fabregas did do that he should be banned for the rest of the season at the very least.

Diouf was only banned for two games.
Why should Fabregas get banned for the rest of the season?

EDIT: However if it comes to light the Fab did spit at him he deserves to miss the rest of the season imo.

monkey9

Morf wrote: »

Bendtner had an open goal to tap in to (i'm presuming he can do that much).

I wouldn't put money on it. The bloke's a donkey

Morf

eagle eye wrote: »

Well if Fabregas did do that he should be banned for the rest of the season at the very least.

And stuck in jail to rot. Damn kids! No respect!

Beau x1

Frisbee wrote: »

I was just about to say this.
Just watched the goals and if you look at the last replay on this video the ball clearly comes off Myhill's fist.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2230012/

There we go. Go back to bed, Phil.

eagle eye

The ball is headed by Arsenal no. 26, at this point Gallas is offside so the fact that it hit the goalkeepers fist is irrelevant as he is already offside.

tony1kenobi

eagle eye wrote: »

Well if Fabregas did do that he should be banned for the rest of the season at the very least.

Don't talk sh1te.

Just heard Phil Brown on SSN and he doesn't seem so certain....."spat at his feet".....nothing to make it any clearer......

....sour grapes is all this is.

Frisbee

tony1kenobi wrote: »

....sour grapes is all this is.

+1, really can't see it being true

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Beau x1 wrote: »

There we go. Go back to bed, Phil.

LOL :rolleyes:

Morf

I believe we are past that.

We're not discussing which form of capital punishment is suitable for Cesc if he did indeed spit on Hull's assistant manager.

Frisbee

There is nothing to this Fabregas spitting story. It's just Brown being bitter.

Have to say I loved Billy G's Henry-esque celebration. Reminded me of this....

Frisbee

eagle eye wrote: »

The ball is headed by Arsenal no. 20, at this point Gallas is offside so the fact that it hit the goalkeepers fist is irrelevant as he is already offside.

fyp

Vokes

Hull were taking the piss with the timewasting from the moment they scored. Myhill's card was probably for persistant time-wasting.


Arshavin was looking pretty good. And he probably could have done a lot more with the ball had Song / Diaby stopped hoofing up to poo ickle Vela the whole time.

Can't wait to see Arshavin and Fabregas on the same wavelength

Walcott really needs to get a move-on with developing his final-ball. Don't think he's gonna make it into a top-class player otherwise.

PHB

In all fairness, it's not totally out of character for Fabregas. He's been fairly desrespectful to people in the past.

Phil Brown was bang on the money, shocking reffing for that decision. Hull can justifably feel hard done by by that result.

Frisbee

PHB wrote: »

In all fairness, it's not totally out of character for Fabregas. He's been fairly desrespectful to people in the past.

There's a difference between having a dig at the boring football Blackburn play and spitting on someone.

eagle eye

Vokes wrote: »

Hull were taking the piss with the timewasting from the moment they scored. Myhill's card was probably for persistant time-wasting.


Arshavin was looking pretty good. And he probably could have done a lot more with the ball had Song / Diaby stopped hoofing up to poo ickle Vela the whole time.

Can't wait to see Arshavin and Fabregas on the same wavelength

Walcott really needs to get a move-on with developing his final-ball. Don't think he's gonna make it into a top-class player otherwise.

They cerainly were timewasting, have to agree with that. Also agree on Walcott.
Arshavin looks like a steal at the price going by his last two games. He really looks like a difference maker, a guy who can change a game at any time. Really classy player.

Beau x1

I'm putting €50 on us winning the FA CUP. Arshavin, along with Fab back, I think we have pretty good chances.

tony1kenobi

Fab issued a statement competetly denying the allegation.

Not surprised

Phil Brown has let himself and his team down.

Beau x1

tony1kenobi wrote: »

Fab issued a statement competetly denying the allegation.

Not surprised

Phil Brown has let himself and his team down.

I'm not surprised, that's so low to make up or even exaggerrate something of that nature. At last this can be put to bed now and you haters can go find something else wrong with the team.

Guy:Incognito

Beau x1 wrote: »

I'm not surprised, that's so low to make up or even exaggerrate something of that nature. At last this can be put to bed now and you haters can go find something else wrong with the team.

Hang on. How can you tell Brown is automatically lieing but Fabregas is definately telling the truth?

Frisbee

Stekelly wrote: »

Hang on. How can you tell Brown is automatically lieing but Fabregas is definately telling the truth?

Agreed.
We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what the FA say.

Frisbee

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/comment-from-club-captain-cesc-fabregas

Cesc wrote:

“I categorically deny that I spat at anybody after the match. I have never done this in my whole career on the pitch, so why would I do it when I am not even playing?

“I can understand the frustration of losing a game to a dubious goal, that has happened to me many times in my career as well. But this is not the fault of me or any of the Arsenal players.”

I really don't believe he'd do it. If it was Gallas, Eboue, RVP I'd be worried it might have happened, but don't think Cesc would do it.

Beau x1

Stekelly wrote: »

Hang on. How can you tell Brown is automatically lieing but Fabregas is definately telling the truth?

Because it was very obvious Brown was nothing short of sour from his post match analysis and also, why would any player who wasn't even in the game do something like that to interfere with their career? You'd be shooting yourself in the foot. It's such a bizarre thing to do with so many minutes left in the game - I'm sorry but even if I wasn't an Arsenal supporter I'd still be siding with Fab here.

Royale with Cheese

The look on Wenger's face when they told him they were going to show him a replay of Gallas' goal was priceless.

Between Wenger's non handshake and Brown's obvious bitterness (at Arsenal FC in general and not the linesman), it's obvious something has gone on between Wenger and Brown in the past that we're not aware of.

Guy:Incognito

Beau x1 wrote: »

Because it was very obvious Brown was nothing short of sour from his post match analysis and also, why would any player who wasn't even in the game do something like that to interfere with their career? You'd be shooting yourself in the foot. It's such a bizarre thing to do with so many minutes left in the game - I'm sorry but even if I wasn't an Arsenal supporter I'd still be siding with Fab here.

Using your same logic, why would he make up an accusation this serious about someone who wasnt playing in the game? Would that not be shooting himself in the foot?

Beau x1

It's very easy to twist something that could be suspectable to something that actually happened and mark it off as a misunderstanding - especially when you're in a foul mood. Fabregas has been dieing to get back out there, he's not going to disrupt that with such an action. As for Brown, all he has is to prove a bitter point.

@Royale: Yeah, I agree - his face was hilarious. Looked a bit worried, and then he had to ask what the next question was again because he must have been thinking of what he was going to say in regards to the goal

kingshankly

A lot of bad blood there tonight , thought it was childish of wenger not to shake hands , gallas goal was fortunate to be given but these things happen in football. Strong accusations from brown interesting to see fabregas reply probably will be something like I was spitting on the ground and he walked in my path

tony1kenobi

Stekelly wrote: »

Hang on. How can you tell Brown is automatically lieing but Fabregas is definately telling the truth?

Because it's Fab....his name is Fab......he is Fab.....

If it was Gerard in a nightclub with a bottle I'd be dubious........but not with Fab.....the man is a gent.

Frisbee

kingshankly wrote: »

Strong accusations from brown interesting to see fabregas reply probably will be something like I was spitting on the ground and he walked in my path

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/comment-from-club-captain-cesc-fabregas

Cesc wrote:

“I categorically deny that I spat at anybody after the match. I have never done this in my whole career on the pitch, so why would I do it when I am not even playing?

“I can understand the frustration of losing a game to a dubious goal, that has happened to me many times in my career as well. But this is not the fault of me or any of the Arsenal players.”

That's what we've got so far but I expect a fuller statement tomorrow.

kingshankly

Couldn't imagine fabregas doing this and I hope he didn't . Not a lover of phil brown comes across too assured for my liking and that time he kept the players on the pitch at half time was ridiculos attention seeking if ever I saw it

Soby

Jesus the big angry head on your man on the bbc sport website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/7949649.stm

Beau x1

Brown wrote:

Hopefully he's proud of himself. He spat at his feet.

Sounds so blown of out proportion to me, probably spat on the ground as any other player would do after a match and now Hull have seen this as an opportunity to cause trouble for us. Brian Horton looks infuriated, but I believe it's for the wrong reasons :rolleyes:

Highsider

Absolutley disgusting thing to do from Fabergas.

LuckyLloyd

Beau x1 wrote: »

I'm sorry but even if I wasn't an Arsenal supporter I'd still be siding with Fab here.

lol, this is an awesome sentence. :rolleyes: