Next for Dunne

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Like I have always said the guys at the top are special fighters. There is not many divisions stack with talent like the one above. The rest are fair game for Dunne - competitive fights that could go either way.

I disagree and think that the Ponce and Antonio Escalante fights
are not competitive and that Dunne would be very much the underdog; and
both these fighters are below him in the ratings

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I disagree and think that the Ponce and Antonio Escalante fights
are not competitive and that Dunne would be very much the underdog; and
both these fighters are below him in the ratings

I'm a big fan of De Leon and ranked him very highly but unless he comes back big this year I feel he may be exposed. He's the type of guy Dunne could really frustrate. We all know the guy has huge power but he aint much of a boxer.

Escalante is still some what of an unknown and still has it all to prove.

walshb

Well, both can bang and both come to bang and the fact that Dunne doesn't bang will not deter these two or earn their respect and whether one likes it or not, Dunne has poor punch resistance. Cordoba, who let's be honest, aint no puncher, had Dunne in all sorts of trouble. No way Bernard avoids flush shots for 36 minutes, no way! A betting man would make Ponce and Antonio heavy favorites


Bernard's defense has improved, but he still takes too much, as the Cordoba fight showed and when it's guys like Ponce and Antonio delivering the shots, that's bad news

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Well, both can bang and both come to bang and the fact that Dunne doesn't bang will not deter these two or earn their respect and whether one likes it or not, Dunne has poor punch resistance. Cordoba, who let's be honest, aint no puncher, had Dunne in all sorts of trouble. No way Bernard avoids flush shots for 36 minutes, no way! A betting man would make Ponce and Antonio heavy favorites


Bernard's defense has improved, but he still takes too much, as the Cordoba fight showed and when it's guys like Ponce and Antonio delivering the shots, that's bad news

Whatever about Ponce De Leon, Escalante's own chin has serious questions still over it after being sparked by Pastrana. Let's not presume the only way Dunne could beat him is to go all 12. Escalante does possess serious power and is aggressive and although I wouldn't recommend Dunne fighting him, Dunne would be able to outbox him for long periods and it's certainly not inconceivable he could hurt him.

Ponce De Leon's a different story, his chin is granite he was just caught by a great shot from Lopez.


I haven't see Molitor v Ruiz but I've heard Molitor looked dreadful, although he deserved a clear UD not the split it was. He's apparently now afraid of his own shadown because of the Caballero fight and doesn't seem to want to let his hands go. Don't think Ruiz is better than he is because of the Bautista fight, he's crude, can be outboxed, isn't that big a Super-Bantamweight and is predictable.

If what I've heard about the Molitor fight is true I'd very strongly fancy Dunne to beat him.

There's only one fighter outside the top 4 that I don't see Dunne having the potential to beat(Ponce De Leon). I'd have Nishioka and Gonzalez favourite over Dunne but I wouldn't rule him out against either and the rest are mostly pick em fights.

Talking about the top 4 though, I'm not sure Vasquez or Marquez really would be that bad opponents for Dunne. Both are rumoured to be going up to feather, however Marquez didn't look good in his comeback fight at all and the rumours are that Vasquez's eye isn't that great and with the wear and age of both of those men I feel they're there for the taking by someone.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Talking about the top 4 though, I'm not sure Vasquez or Marquez really would be that bad opponents for Dunne.

Are you serious? Look, the Cordoba fight itself should tell you that any fighter
with the punch will devestate Bernard. He was truly and badly hurt and Cordoba is not a puncher, and not close to the aggressive puncher that Ponce or Antonio are, not to mention Israel and Rafael.

Bernard holds a version of a belt, but to me, there are simpy too many men that are far too dangerous and Bernard should try to wriggle out of meeting any of them

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Are you serious? Look, the Cordoba fight itself should tell you that any fighter
with the punch will devestate Bernard. He was truly and badly hurt and Cordoba is not a puncher, and not close to the aggressive puncher that Ponce or Antonio are, not to mention Israel and Rafael.

Bernard holds a version of a belt, but to me, there are simpy too many men that are far too dangerous and Bernard should try to wriggle out of meeting any of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tso4HFDlbrY

Does that guy in the red trunks look like a top 5 Super-Bantamweight to you ?, does he look like a guy he would beat any of Lopez, Caballero, Nishioka or Ponce De Leon ?

Vasquez I suppose I'm making assumptions on, but he's had 4 arduous career shortening wars in a row, he's going to have been out of the ring for 18 months at least come his return(rumoured to be September), just like Marquez he's getting quite old for a Super-Bantamweight and he's got the eye problem.

I'm not saying Dunne would beat these guys, but if there was ever the time to have a go at them it's now. There's touger guys at the weight than these guys and you wouldn't get the same reward against all the rest.

walshb

Is he the force of old? No. Does that matter if he meets Dunne? No.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Is he the force of old? No. Does that matter if he meets Dunne? No.

If he had trouble landing that right hand(which used be a homing missile) against a 37 year old Mendoza, who was never good anyway then he'll struggle even more to land it against Dunne.

If Mendoza can land shots on him, then Dunne can land more and land cleaner.
Marquez's timing seems gone, his speed is gone, his athleticism seems gone, his work rate isn't as good, his jab is off. Marquez has been slightly funerable in his career but with a mix of a very good defence, good powers of recovery and loads of heart it hasn't affected him too much.

But with the rest of his physical powers haven't declined somewhat who's to say his punch resistance is as good as it used to be ?, I know I'm making assumptions and I know the most likely scenario would still be Marquez by knockout.

But it's not like a Lopez fight, it's not guaranteed Dunne would lose, I mean really look how bad Marquez looks there and look at the calibre of guy he's fighting. Now the lay-off probably did him no good, but Marquez is 34 and he's not getting any younger, and whatever about timing speed isn't something that's going to be missing for one fight(due to ring rust) and come back the next. To me Marquez looks done and there for the taking.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

But it's not like a Lopez fight, it's not guaranteed Dunne would lose

No, the only difference I would possibly consider is the fashion of the KO
loss. Lopez would dispatch Bernard in a round or two and Marquez, maybe 3 or 4 rds. Either way, both are lethal and will destroy Dunne.

Dunne should meet either Moliter or Munroe and if he really has it
in him, go and offer Kiko the money and avenge that defeat

aragiav

walshb wrote: »

No, the only difference I would possibly consider is the fashion of the KO
loss. Lopez would dispatch Bernard in a round or two and Marquez, maybe 3 or 4 rds. Either way, both are lethal and will destroy Dunne.

Dunne should meet either Moliter or Munroe and if he really has it
in him, go and offer Kiko the money and avenge that defeat

Reading your posts you would think Dunne is a no hoper. Is there anyone in the top 15 you can see him beating 100% no doubts?

walshb

aragiav wrote: »

Reading your posts you would think Dunne is a no hoper. Is there anyone in the top 15 you can see him beating 100% no doubts?

What, because the top ten is littered with dangerous opponents
that makes me think Dune is a no hoper?:rolleyes:

Did I not say that Dunne has a chance against Molitor and Munroe?

And, is there anyone who can say that anything is 100 percent and without doubt?

Can I say that Dunne 100 percent beats any man in the top 15?
Only a fool would say that and a folo would also say that JML would
beat any man 100 percent in the top 15

Boxing is not a guarantee for any person or fighter. No man
in any division is a dead certainty to always win

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

What, because the top ten is littered with dangerous opponents
that makes me think Dune is a no hoper?:rolleyes:

Did I not say that Dunne has a chance against Molitor and Munroe?

And, is there anyone who can say that anything is 100 percent and without doubt?

Can I say that Dunne 100 percent beats any man in the top 15?
Only a fool would say that and a folo would also say that JML would
beat any man 100 percent in the top 15

Boxing is not a guarantee for any person or fighter. No man
in any division is a dead certainty to always win

Yet Lopez would dispatch Dunne in a round and Marquez in 4 :rolleyes:

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tso4HFDlbrY

Does that guy in the red trunks look like a top 5 Super-Bantamweight to you ?, does he look like a guy he would beat any of Lopez, Caballero, Nishioka or Ponce De Leon ?

Vasquez I suppose I'm making assumptions on, but he's had 4 arduous career shortening wars in a row, he's going to have been out of the ring for 18 months at least come his return(rumoured to be September), just like Marquez he's getting quite old for a Super-Bantamweight and he's got the eye problem.

I'm not saying Dunne would beat these guys, but if there was ever the time to have a go at them it's now. There's touger guys at the weight than these guys and you wouldn't get the same reward against all the rest.

That's the first time I gotta a chance to see these clips. I've been reading on other forums about Marquez - and simply put many think he is done, unable to pull the trigger.

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt it was his first fight back.

aragiav

walshb wrote: »

What, because the top ten is littered with dangerous opponents
that makes me think Dune is a no hoper?:rolleyes:

Did I not say that Dunne has a chance against Molitor and Munroe?

And, is there anyone who can say that anything is 100 percent and without doubt?

Can I say that Dunne 100 percent beats any man in the top 15?
Only a fool would say that and a folo would also say that JML would
beat any man 100 percent in the top 15

Boxing is not a guarantee for any person or fighter. No man
in any division is a dead certainty to always win

So why are you so sure Dunne couldn't beat Vasquez, Marquez or Lopez??? You just contadicted yourself there. If you only give Dunne a chance against Munroe you must not think he is much of a fighter at all, correct?

walshb

Am I speaking Chinese. No man is a guarantee, no man, but the odds are stacked against Dunne if he meets Lopez or Vasquez or Marquez or Ponce.
Would I say that 100 percent they beat him? No, only a fool would be that
bloody stupid, but I would say that Dunne would be a heavy underdog
in all bouts. BTW, he also has a chance vs Molitor, if you bothered to read

Nothing to do with contradiction at all. I favor these guys heavily to beat Bernard, but not 100 percent confident, as any strange occurrence
could happen. Nothing in life is ever a 100 percent bet.

Hey, didn't the Pool come back from 3-0 down to Milan in the 2005 Euro final
to win. Now, most would never have thought that they could claw back that deficit
and win. But, they did. Now, Dunne has a similar task in trying to beat
the top guys, his chances are very very slim, but he has some chance, albeit very small

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Yet Lopez would dispatch Dunne in a round and Marquez in 4 :rolleyes:

If Dunne met Lopez, the chances are that he loses by KO and early.
Is this a guarantee? No. But it seems a likely occurrence to me.

If Dunne met Vasquez, I would make Vasquez a heavy favorite and maybe
Bernard would do better vs Marquez, but he still loses by KO.

It could be 1 rd or 2 rds or 3 rds etc. He loses to these guys I would say

mark renton

:rolleyes:

ok fantasy boxing is over for the moment - to the current task at hand, anyone got links to any Poonswaat fights?

at this moment any distant Japanese relatives would be good points of contact

mark renton

walshb wrote: »

Are you serious? Look, the Cordoba fight itself should tell you that any fighter
with the punch will devestate Bernard. He was truly and badly hurt and Cordoba is not a puncher, and not close to the aggressive puncher that Ponce or Antonio are, not to mention Israel and Rafael.

Bernard holds a version of a belt, but to me, there are simpy too many men that are far too dangerous and Bernard should try to wriggle out of meeting any of them

Ok just a point to note while trying to balance things here - Cordoba did catch Dunne after a ferocious clash of heads (which to me looked intentional), only then did things change in favor of Cordoba - would Dunne have been caught and hurt if there was no clash of heads?

Also there should be no wriggling, there should never be any wriggling, Dunne has earned his belt, and along with that belt he has earned the right to enter the ring with the top dogs of the division - speculation as to what may happen when he does is open to debate - however he has earned that right to face them on equal terms

JokerD

Was listening to Barry McGuigan on the Gerry Ryan show promoting the new 'Lord Of The Ring' show and he mentioned that Dunne will be fighting in the O2 in September. Have I missed something? Didn't think he had a fight confirmed and didn't see another thread on it.

Big Ears

JokerD wrote: »

Was listening to Barry McGuigan on the Gerry Ryan show promoting the new 'Lord Of The Ring' show and he mentioned that Dunne will be fighting in the O2 in September. Have I missed something? Didn't think he had a fight confirmed and didn't see another thread on it.

It's not confirmed but Peters only had the option of 3 different dates, 26th of September, 3rd of October and some other date in October were the dates I believe and it has to be one of these.

Apparently the contract Peters sent to the Thai camp were for the 26th of October, but it seems now that Peters make actually be keen on an October date. Anyway, the point is Bernard Dunne will be defending his WBA title, in Dublin(most likely in the O2), late September or early October.

Should all be confirmed within the next few weeks, but you can bet yourself both these boys have started to train quite intensely already.

alanceltic

the waiting game is over

walshb

alan, quit the teasing!

What's happening?

mark renton

Press conference tomoro at 1 - the mighty Dunne is back

joepenguin

Nice one!!!

walshb

I just hope that it's not to say that the fight is off....

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I just hope that it's not to say that the fight is off....

You think they'd host a press conference at the O2 for that ?
The only reason they'd do it to say the fight is off, is if some other fight(eg v Vasquez) was on.

walshb

Good point, didn't think of that. I just hope it is against the Thai and not some tomato can.
If against the Thai, then Dunne deserves real credit for taking a dangerous fight.
I will believe it when I hear it, so much strange **** has been happening in boxing, Khan
to maybe fight Morales is doin' the rounds....

MBC

Wrong tread.

walshb

MBC wrote: »

A bit of topic but "Jason Quigley claimed at least a bronze medal at the European Youth Championships yesterday...........the victory maintains the IABAs sequence of having won medals at every international tournament, including the Olympics Games, since the AIBA World Senior Championships in Chicago in October/November 2007." thats amazing.

Back on topic........the world champs is very tough.......but like always there is quite a lot of favourable people in each draw.........more so than the europeans actually..........The Russians are the heavyweights of the amateur boxing world at the moment, followed closely by Chinese and then the Cubans/kazakhs.

The nation to watch for at these worlds is the host nation.........nearly always the host nation punches above its weight......the Italians have been preparing well for these with a lot of national duals throughout 2009 (France, China, Brazil, Russia, Cuba, Germany & USA since january ).......with 91kg Russo and 91+kg Cammerelle........they are 2 very good chances of gold.

With the Irish team........i think its the strongest we have had in a very long time........not sure if 1 medal would be such a good achievement anymore......because we have been spoiled with all the success of late..........but one thing that we must all remember is that this is the 1st Major SENIOR champs for Sucliffe, Geraghty, McLoughlin and I think Con Sheehan........so for them 4 its gonna be very interesting to see how they adopt.......so may rise to the occasion......so mightn't.

Anyone know if its gonna be on TV or streaming anywhere?

Are you in the right thread?

mark renton

Seems i left out some details

alanceltic

Bren why are you always so downbeat & sceptical about Dunne, All i can say is that you wont be disappointed..... you better jump on the bandwagon before it leaves you behind

walshb

I'm not downbeat, it's just that with what has been happening lately in boxing with pull outs and injuries etc, I am a little skeptical. Like I said, if he is meeting this guy, fair balls to him. It deserves credit big time....

MuscleShark

Just got text message from the o2 priority ticket sale stating that bernard dunne will defends the title at the o2 Dublin on september 26th.

thegoth

Just bought four for €130. Section D tiered

joepenguin

2nd fight in a row where Dunne is taking on a higher ranked opponent in a world title fight, fair play to him. He's putting his belt and so many pay days on the line.

thegoth

Was this not a mandatory defence

djkeogh

it's a mandatory yea so it's fight or be stripped of the title.

JimmyDeMechanic

thegoth wrote: »

Was this not a mandatory defence

yip it is indeed. just got my tickets, looking forward to it now

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

2nd fight in a row where Dunne is taking on a higher ranked opponent in a world title fight, fair play to him. He's putting his belt and so many pay days on the line.

So it's the Thai guy?

Credit to Dunne here. He was due an easy defence me thought, and deserved, but
I am happy it's a real deal fight. Although him fighting a lesser lesser guy may have been
frowned upon, one couldn't blame him after the tough tough scrap in March.

Surely Dunne can expect more than 50k?
Old report...
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-dunne-looks-for-home-comforts-in-title-defence-1844710.html

walshb

I know Bernard has probably been serious training for several weeks now, but it really
is short notice, announcement wise. Either way, it's exciting and not far away. 4 weeks this Saturday. Usually there is at least 7-8 weeks to wait from the announcement time

thegoth

Actually its 5 weeks this Saturday

walshb

Damn Math, thanks

Bernard has the skills to beat this guy boxing wise.
Don't get too careless. Cordoba lost a split
to him in Thailand and the Thai is definitely
beatable; ultra focused and smooth Dunne needs to be.

mark renton

was the undercard announced?

thegoth

I'd say Katie Taylor is a certainty and Andy Lee

joepenguin

Lee fighting with Duddy ringside, hopefully the day after Macklin wins the euro title. That would create some buzz.

itouchmyself

If you have nothing good to say dont say nothing at all keeps ringing in my head everytime I read this thread...
Katie Taylor on the undercard is it another Pro-Am?? Goodluck to him hope he wins anyway.

mark renton

touchingyourself: have you been spending too long in the soccer forum??

there are many people who would like to see Katie Taylor fighting including myself - though I would also like to see quality professionals on the card too

duagre

murray is on the undercard but no opponent named yet

itouchmyself

john47832 wrote: »

touchingyourself: have you been spending too long in the soccer forum??

there are many people who would like to see Katie Taylor fighting including myself - though I would also like to see quality professionals on the card too

What are you talking about???
I asked a simple question is it another Pro-Am as I thought I heard there was an issue with these with the I.A.B.A and they didn't want them going on.

simonrooneyzaga

http://www.newstalk.ie

the main page has a story claiming that Dunne is taking on Pacquiao next!

Must have gotten their asian boxers mixed up!

The correct opponents name appears within the mainpage link.