Next for Dunne

mark renton · 06-05-2009 3:43pm

walshb wrote: »

Forgetting even the world of boxing, what is logical about two WCs?

Its logical in the context of boxing, with different organizations - if one champion unifies titles

Dont get me wrong - if I had me way I would send in the Dunne to fight Caballero, and if he is still standing when the bell goes in the twelfth then I reckon he wins (with impartial judges of course) :cool:

Andyfbt · 06-05-2009 4:10pm

Think if someone Unifies the belt then the belt that is unified should be taking off. Then someone can challenge for either the unified belts depending on their ranking in each organisation or if they can only challenge for 1 belt because they are not high enough ranked in another then they can do that an unify the belts

joepenguin · 06-05-2009 5:19pm

walshb wrote: »

joe, the whole man that beat the man applies to the lineal title and in relation to Cordoba and Caballero and Dunne, it's inaccurate. Cordoba beat Caballero in 2004 when neither was ever a champion. This is of little significance

I have to agree that two titles in any org is ONE too many! Now, 3 is being bandied about:rolleyes:

IMO, the man at the weight is JML. I would back him to beat Caballero.

The man who beat the man would be vasquez but all im saying is that because cordoba beat cab a while back that means he is at least on his level... at least. It just adds extra weight to Dunnes title thats all. Not that I rate dunne over cab at the moment but it just means its not any old opponent he beat for the belt.
Its a selling point for him and a damn good one.

On paper cab is number one at the moment and a fight with JML really decide who is the number one sbw (I really think Vasquez is gone from that division)

So yeah, belts are belts which tend to signify that a fighter is in the top ten in the division.

walshb · 06-05-2009 5:26pm

joepenguin wrote: »

The man who beat the man would be vasquez but all im saying is that because cordoba beat cab a while back that means he is at least on his level... at least. It just adds extra weight to Dunnes title thats all. Not that I rate dunne over cab at the moment but it just means its not any old opponent he beat for the belt.
Its a selling point for him and a damn good one.

On paper cab is number one at the moment and a fight with JML really decide who is the number one sbw (I really think Vasquez is gone from that division)

So yeah, belts are belts which tend to signify that a fighter is in the top ten in the division.

Well, a lot can happen in 4 years and like I have said, I wasn't impressed at all
with Cordoba as a world champion, decent fighter, but WC material? Gimme a break!

He beat Caballero in 2004; maybe then, Cordoba was better, because in 2009, the so called WC gassed it!

Maybe Caballero has vastly improved since 2004. It's all speculation, but what these two did in 2004 is of little interest or relevance to the current state
of the division

joepenguin · 06-05-2009 5:46pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, a lot can happen in 4 years and like I have said, I wasn't impressed at all
with Cordoba as a world champion, decent fighter, but WC material? Gimme a break!

He beat Caballero in 2004; maybe then, Cordoba was better, because in 2009, the so called WC gassed it!

Maybe Caballero has vastly improved since 2004. It's all speculation, but what these two did in 2004 is of little interest or relevance to the current state
of the division

True, but then again if we hadnt seen much of hatton apart from maywetaher and pac fights then we wouldnt consider him WC material either.

mark renton · 06-05-2009 7:04pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, a lot can happen in 4 years and like I have said, I wasn't impressed at all
with Cordoba as a world champion, decent fighter, but WC material? Gimme a break!

He beat Caballero in 2004; maybe then, Cordoba was better, because in 2009, the so called WC gassed it!

Maybe Caballero has vastly improved since 2004. It's all speculation, but what these two did in 2004 is of little interest or relevance to the current state
of the division

Caballeros win over ponce de leon was only 2 fights after Cordoba, with de leon close to 100% KO record at the time - now either Caballero vastly improved in 2 fights / or Ponce De Leon wasnt that great at the time :eek: / or Cordoba was awesome then and has degraded since

IMO neither of the 3 above have improved greatly since then or degraded since then - if you minimize Cordobas win over Cab then at the same time Cab's win over Ponce has to be minimized - and on Cabs record thats his biggest win IMO

walshb · 06-05-2009 7:23pm

john47832 wrote: »

Caballeros win over ponce de leon was only 2 fights after Cordoba, with de leon close to 100% KO record at the time - now either Caballero vastly improved in 2 fights / or Ponce De Leon wasnt that great at the time :eek: / or Cordoba was awesome then and has degraded since

IMO neither of the 3 above have improved greatly since then or degraded since then - if you minimize Cordobas win over Cab then at the same time Cab's win over Ponce has to be minimized - and on Cabs record thats his biggest win IMO

I aint' minimizing, but more dereferencing it.

Ponce De Leon was never great. One of the crudest fighters ever and Dunne
with a chin beats this guy. As it stands, Ponce would be favored because he can bang!

I saw Ricardo in his title winning fight against a guy(Perez) who was very ordinary and Cordoba
looked very ordinary. I even said that he had the style that Dunne could beat.

I said this. Cordoba is not a great fighter IMO. Sorry, Dunne showed me more than Cordoba did on March 21st!

ShaunD · 07-05-2009 10:43am

Does anyone know how much money Dunne would be likely to make for his next fight? Is the £200,000 Maloney is offering Dunne to fight Munroe a realistic amount of money? Maloney mentioned again after the Nettey fight that the offer is still on the table of 200,000 or a share of the promotion.
I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of the financial side of boxing, is this a good offer?

mark renton · 07-05-2009 12:45pm

ShaunD wrote: »

Does anyone know how much money Dunne would be likely to make for his next fight? Is the £200,000 Maloney is offering Dunne to fight Munroe a realistic amount of money? Maloney mentioned again after the Nettey fight that the offer is still on the table of 200,000 or a share of the promotion.
I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of the financial side of boxing, is this a good offer?

He needs to come again

ShaunD · 07-05-2009 1:11pm

john47832 wrote: »

He needs to come again

Is Maloney's offer based on him promoting the fight? I'm clueless about the promotional/financial side of boxing, can anyone explain what the offer would actually mean to Dunne in comparison to what he could get fighting say his mandatory Kratingdaengym.
It's looking like it's going to either be the Thai or Munroe for Dunne's next fight, so if the offer from Maloney is not upped, next for Dunne has got to be Kratingdaenggym right?

mark renton · 07-05-2009 2:07pm

ShaunD wrote: »

Is Maloney's offer based on him promoting the fight? I'm clueless about the promotional/financial side of boxing, can anyone explain what the offer would actually mean to Dunne in comparison to what he could get fighting say his mandatory Kratingdaengym.
It's looking like it's going to either be the Thai or Munroe for Dunne's next fight, so if the offer from Maloney is not upped, next for Dunne has got to be Kratingdaenggym right?

Not sure - but i do think that if BD does fight Munroe then that will mean the dude with long name has to step aside for the moment - this is any mans language means he will have to pay dude with long name

I'm open to correction here

simongurnick · 10-05-2009 8:33pm

Caballero is stepping up in weight to fight Yourkis Gamboa. Not sure what this means for his super bantam titles, he may have to relinquish those?
Should be an unreal fight by the way. Gamboa is seriously exciting.
Anyway, if Cab stays at a higher weight then it leaves a bit of a power vacuum at super bantam and might give Dunne a chance to pick up another belt.

walshb · 11-05-2009 7:17am

Not sure if I believe this. If it's true, then fair play to Dunne for having
"balls," but it's a silly move also.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19762&more=1

raven136 · 11-05-2009 9:22am

walshb wrote: »

Not sure if I believe this. If it's true, then fair play to Dunne for having
"balls," but it's a silly move also.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19762&more=1

Dunne wouldbe crazy to take that fight.Would he make as much money fighting Munroe in a sold out O2?

walshb · 11-05-2009 10:06am

raven136 wrote: »

Dunne wouldbe crazy to take that fight.Would he make as much money fighting Munroe in a sold out O2?

What would worry me isn't the money, it's the health!

Munroe would be a far easier fight in terms of
chances to win and to go on. JML will
devastate Bernard and could do serious damage
in the process.

Munroe presents a winnable fight, at least a lot more
winnable that the JML bout.

I expect Dunne in the ring by July or Aug at
the latest. I am sure we will be hearing very soon
about the next fight!

walshb · 11-05-2009 10:07am

simongurnick wrote: »

Caballero is stepping up in weight to fight Yourkis Gamboa. Not sure what this means for his super bantam titles, he may have to relinquish those?
Should be an unreal fight by the way. Gamboa is seriously exciting.
Anyway, if Cab stays at a higher weight then it leaves a bit of a power vacuum at super bantam and might give Dunne a chance to pick up another belt.

I expect a Gamboa KO. Cab is tailor made for Gamboa!

Johner · 11-05-2009 12:28pm

I hope that fight never happens. I dont want Dunne to be hospitalised and badly KO'd within a round or two.

mark renton · 11-05-2009 12:37pm

walshb wrote: »

Not sure if I believe this. If it's true, then fair play to Dunne for having
"balls," but it's a silly move also.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19762&more=1

Highly unlikely - dont think he is expecting to fight again until Sept, end of June seems a bit too close

mark renton · 11-05-2009 2:04pm

I can see the headlines now "the mighty Dunne takes out Lopez in 4 rounds"

joepenguin · 11-05-2009 8:18pm

Isnt there something from stopping Dunne unifying with other champs?
Maybe if cab moves up in the meantime and gets stripped of his super status then they could move ahead with it. Either that or Dunne gives up the belt for the big fight. Boxing scenes little article on it suggests that jaunma isnt 100% even on the bill yet. http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=19857

He's getting his name out there anyway.

sligobhoy67 · 12-05-2009 5:01pm

Caballero v Gamboa deal almost done (not a direct translation but the gist!)

http://www.notifight.com/artman2/publish/Notiflash_4/Pelench_n_Caballero_vs_Gamboa_en_Agosto.php

The Deal is almost done

Caballero's promoter claims that they have been analyzing the offer for quite some time and it is a very attractive offer.

Warriors and Showtime got the deal almost done by any day now but we can't announce anything official yet

He also claims that the fight will take place in August in the US

sportingflynn · 12-05-2009 5:05pm

The whispers section in boxing news says he will fight lopez in new york at the end of the year. I think he would get a nice crowd into the gaden, still, shame to hand over your world title straight away

mark renton · 12-05-2009 5:15pm

El promotor Rogelio Espiño, quien representa a Caballero, dijo recientemente que es casi oficial que este pleito pueda darse. "Hemos estado analizando la oferta y resulta muy atractiva para las aspiraciones de 'Pelenchín' Caballero", Bernard Dunne explicó Espiño. "Las empresas Warriors y Showtime están a punto de cerrar el pleito, pero no podemos anunciarlo como oficial", afirmó

Roughly translated "Celestino is moving up in weight as he does not expect to beat Bernard Dunne"

sligobhoy67 · 12-05-2009 5:38pm

courtesy of google

Are well advanced negotiations for a fight between world champion pen of the interim World Boxing Association (AMB), the Cuban Yuriorkis Gamboa, and the world champion of the AMB supergallo and International Boxing Federation (IFF), the Panamanian Celestino "Pelenchín" Knight. Gamboa would expose her to strip a knight who would go up category.

The promoter Rogelio Espino, who represents Knight, said recently that it is almost official that this lawsuit is likely to occur. "We've been discussing the offer and is very appealing to the aspirations of 'Pelenchín' Knight," said Espino. "Companies Showtime and Warriors are about to close the lawsuit, but we can not announce it as official," he said.

Espiño commented that a possible date for this would be the fray in August, United States. Gamboa has a prize of 15-0 with 13 KO's, while Caballero has recording of 32-2 - 22 KO's.

joepenguin · 13-05-2009 2:45am

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=573852

Looks like its Juanma vs Oliver Lontchi on June 27th.

Johnduddy · 15-05-2009 1:52am

joepenguin wrote: »

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=573852

Looks like its Juanma vs Oliver Lontchi on June 27th.

Dodged a bullet there Bernard

T-K-O · 15-05-2009 12:17pm

Let be real here - Dunne was never fighting Lopez

mark renton · 15-05-2009 2:00pm

It would be gratefully appreciated if Lopez also move up to feather

Big Ears · 16-05-2009 3:00pm

joepenguin wrote: »

Isnt there something from stopping Dunne unifying with other champs?

A regular champion cannot unify if there is a Super-Champion.
Dunne could only unify if Caballero moves up or Dunne beats Caballero.

joepenguin · 16-05-2009 6:19pm

stagolee · 18-05-2009 10:01pm

joepenguin wrote: »

So Jaunma is busy. Cabellero may be moving up. and Nishioka is fighting Gonzales for the wbc belt next week.

If Dunne is to defend his title next here is the list he has to choose from:

WBA interim champion: Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=69288&cat=boxer

1. Vacant
2. Rafael Marquez: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=13019&cat=boxer
3. Antonio Escalante http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=215212&cat=boxer
4. Rendall Munroe: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=213913&cat=boxer
5. Ricardo Cordoba: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=37322&cat=boxer
6. Daniel Ponce De Leon: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=37235&cat=boxer

I have to admit I know little about Escalante and I have never seen him fight, other than him however Munroe looks like the best risk/reward ratio of the top six.

Big Ears · 19-05-2009 1:26am

stagolee wrote: »

I have to admit I know little about Escalante and I have never seen him fight, other than him however Munroe looks like the best risk/reward ratio of the top six.

Escalante is a little on the slow side, but he's an aggressive banger and is to be avoided imo. That's a fight with too much danger and not enough reward for Dunne.

Munroe really is the option to take but now Rendall has the option of an IBF eliminator, and annoyingly but not too surprinsingly(as I looked at the ratings a few weeks back) it looks like he could be set to face Kiko Martinez again in that eliminator........which is a joke.

joepenguin · 19-05-2009 1:52am

Big Ears wrote: »

Escalante is a little on the slow side, but he's an aggressive banger and is to be avoided imo. That's a fight with too much danger and not enough reward for Dunne.

Munroe really is the option to take but now Rendall has the option of an IBF eliminator, and annoyingly but not too surprinsingly(as I looked at the ratings a few weeks back) it looks like he could be set to face Kiko Martinez again in that eliminator........which is a joke.

I see Molitor is boxing Ruiz for a title eliminator in June http://www.boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=2009&mm=06&dd=26

so would Munro vs Kiko be for the #2 spot in the ibf with molitor going in at #1?

So if it wasnt for molitor vs ruiz its not too far fetched to think that we could have seen kiko vs munroe for the vacant ibf title should cab vacate.

joepenguin · 23-05-2009 10:40pm

WBC title on the line tonight with Raf Marquez fighting a columbian for the eliminator. Winners will probably fight each other next.

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=574562

mark renton · 23-05-2009 10:59pm

joepenguin wrote: »

WBC title on the line tonight with Raf Marquez fighting a columbian for the eliminator. Winners will probably fight each other next.

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=574562

whats the chances of getting a stream for this fight?

joepenguin · 24-05-2009 5:43am

Nishioka vs Gonzales:

rd 1.

Gonzales scores flash kd and hurts nishioka afterwards. Both fighters making a few mistakes, throwing a few aimless shots etc. Nishiokas gaurd looks vunerable. A fighter with good timing would pick him off all night long.

rd2

Even enough. Nishioka worked decent with the jab. Hard to tell if the ones to the head are landing. Keeps dropping it back to his hip after he throws it. Leaves himself open. Hes southpaw. Gonzales orhtodox. Gonzalz making very little mistakes

rd

OMG. Nishioka hust nailed him with a rock solid left. flush on the chin. Gonzales is up at 6 or 7 and on wobbly legs. Ref rightly calls it off. Nishioka checked Gonzales lead hand and just nailed him with the left. It looked to come by the outside of Gonzales right glove. Good shot.

Im watching it on a mexican channel so have no idea what they are saying.

Marquez vs Mendoza:

Ok I was kind of watching this in between the ufc but the jist of it is:

RD1 Marquez is getting outboxed but Mexican commentators scored it a 10-10. Id have given it to Mendoza. He landed more.

RD2 Marquez still getting outboxed and Mendoza growing in confidence.

RD3 Mendoza shows good timing, they both are throwing shots Marquez experience sees him through and he finishes the job.

I watched this maybe an hour or so ago so sketchy with the details. Basically Marquez showed ring rust and when yer man took up the pace Rafs experience paid off.

Im sure the mexican fans were looking forward to an all mexican showdown but nothing like seeking a bit of revenge. Marquez won an eliminator tonight so he will probably face Nishioka for the belt.

Haha brilliant, they are showing Mr Bean espaniol now.Oh well I have Machida vs Evans paused this last hour so better check that out.

drzhivago · 31-05-2009 10:29am

Big Ears wrote: »

If Caballero v Kratingdaenggym happened:
If Caballero won, he would remain Super champion and there would be no interim champion. Dunne's situation is unaffected

If Kratingdaenggym won he would become Super-Champion, there would be no interim champion and Dunne's situation would be unaffected.

Another key thing to note is, the reason Caballero is Super Champion is because he won the IBF title.

Are you sure about above I dont think Kratingdaenggym can become Superchampion just by beating Caballero and not sure that Bernard can either dont they have to won a title in another organisation as well or both titles would have to be on the line from Caballero and his people are too smart to allow that to happen

mark renton · 31-05-2009 11:39am

drzhivago wrote: »

Are you sure about above I dont think Kratingdaenggym can become Superchampion just by beating Caballero and not sure that Bernard can either dont they have to won a title in another organisation as well or both titles would have to be on the line from Caballero and his people are too smart to allow that to happen

Id imagine they would become super champion if the 2 titles were on the line

Anyway Caballero is moving up to feather - not sure of the exact point where he relinquishes titles but at some point in the very near future (if not already) there will officially be only 1 WBA SBW champion, and thats the Mighty Dunne

Big Ears · 31-05-2009 1:07pm

john47832 wrote: »

Id imagine they would become super champion if the 2 titles were on the line

Anyway Caballero is moving up to feather - not sure of the exact point where he relinquishes titles but at some point in the very near future (if not already) there will officially be only 1 WBA SBW champion, and thats the Mighty Dunne

The IBF title(or WBC/WBO) would have to be on the line aswell. However Caballero is only Super-Champion because he holds 2 titles, if he was stripped of the IBF he loses his WBA Super-Champion status(and would actually not be a champion in their eyes at all, pushed below Dunne and Kratingdaenggym to the position of mandatory challenger). So I thought people would assume that he'd be going into such a fight defending his IBF title aswell, as otherwise he wouldn't be holding any title going to such a bout.

Caballero moving up hasn't been agreed yet, if he can't get a fight with Gamboa he may very well defend against Dunne next.

mark renton · 12-06-2009 4:53pm

Cant believe me fav thread is dying

Anyone any news yet??

Hellsing · 12-06-2009 5:49pm

john47832 wrote: »

Cant believe me fav thread is dying

Anyone any news yet??

There was a suggestion on eastsideboxing.com that Munroe will be fighting Nishioka for the WBC belt - http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=20121&more=1

That probably rules out Munroe.

joepenguin · 13-06-2009 12:29am

Yeah seen that alright. Gives him options anyway. He may try to put himself in mandatory position with the wbc.

Been a fair while now since we heard anything from the Dunne camp.

alanceltic · 13-06-2009 11:21pm

i taught i read somewhere that munroe could possibly fight martinez in an elimator with the winner to fight molitor for what looks likely to be a vacated ibf title, assuming caballero moves up as expected. The thoughts of munroe getting a sniff at a title would deffo mix things up a lot on this side of the atlantic, could you imagine a unification bout between the binman and our own world champ......vegas here we come but even if the angry midget can swing munroe a title shot i would give him NO chance!

sligobhoy67 · 28-06-2009 6:22pm

Lontchi quits after 9 rounds of being battered by Juanma - Lontchi was my favourite pick for Bernard.

Does this sctratch Lontchi off the list or make it more likely that Bernard will fight him. I reckons it rules him out!

I am now throwing my weight behind either Victor Terrazas or Jorge Lacierva

walshb · 28-06-2009 6:45pm

Does anyone else think that it's gettin' on a bit now and still
we have heard nothing form Dunne? I thought he would
be in the ring by the end of August at least. This doesn't look
like happening now!

Big Ears · 28-06-2009 7:14pm

walshb wrote: »

Does anyone else think that it's gettin' on a bit now and still
we have heard nothing form Dunne? I thought he would
be in the ring by the end of August at least. This doesn't look
like happening now!

September has kinda always been the date(late August would have been the very, very earliest we would have gotten), more time to let those cuts heal I suppose. I think Peters would prefer given Dunne's potential opponents only 7/8 weeks notice instead of 12(a favourite trick of Frank Warren's) so I reckon the opponent could be announced on seemingly short notice.

Aswell as Juan Manuel Lopez's victory of Oliver Lontchi last night, two nights ago we had Steve Molitor winning a split decision over Heriberto Ruiz (116-112 on all cards, just two for Molitor and one for Ruiz) in what was an IBF eliminator for the #2 spot.
On that topic I'd also like to say I told you Bren

walshb · 28-06-2009 8:49pm

Big Ears wrote: »

September has kinda always been the date(late August would have been the very, very earliest we would have gotten), more time to let those cuts heal I suppose. I think Peters would prefer given Dunne's potential opponents only 7/8 weeks notice instead of 12(a favourite trick of Frank Warren's) so I reckon the opponent could be announced on seemingly short notice.

Aswell as Juan Manuel Lopez's victory of Oliver Lontchi last night, two nights ago we had Steve Molitor winning a split decision over Heriberto Ruiz (116-112 on all cards, just two for Molitor and one for Ruiz) in what was an IBF eliminator for the #2 spot.
On that topic I'd also like to say I told you Bren

No way, forgot about that. Split, eh? Close anyway. Both good fighters.

I still think Ruiz would be far too dangerous for Dunne. He is heavy handed and very
aggressive

Big Ears · 28-06-2009 11:01pm

walshb wrote: »

No way, forgot about that. Split, eh? Close anyway. Both good fighters.

I still think Ruiz would be far too dangerous for Dunne. He is heavy handed and very
aggressive

There's no doubt both men would be a very dangerous assignment for Dunne, and for very different reasons.

walshb · 29-06-2009 3:13pm

I'd much rather Dunne agaisnt Steve. Ruiz can bang and is aggressive.
Steve is more relaxed and is a technician who lacks the power and
strength.

alanceltic · 30-06-2009 12:34am

walshb wrote: »

I thought he would
be in the ring by the end of August at least. This doesn't look
like happening now!

Theres no chance of selling out a boxing show during the summer months, too much money being sucked into the GAA during July, August & early Sept and too many people on hols to have any chance of maximising the gate.

I would love to see Dunne in against Molitor, especially after seeing him bottle it against Caballero (he got stage fright big time) but this wont happen now, Im still wondering will the IBF sanction Martinez-Munroe on the other side of the eliminator, Martinez is ranked 7th (really 5th as 1 & 2 are vacant) and Munroe is ranked 11th (really 9th) and thats before you knock molitor & Ruiz off the list who are both ranked top10 and have just fought.

Dunne v AN Other after the summer
Caballero to move up to feather in Sept/Oct
Martinez V Munroe in second IBF eliminator in September
Molitor V winner of Muroe-Martinez for vacant IBF in December
Dunne v Molitor for unification of WBA/IBF in Vegas....yeaaaa baby

Next for Dunne

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