Jade Goody is dead (discussion thread)

Sharpshooter

ShooterSF wrote: »

Maybe I would, I can only say how I feel ATM. However let's not pretend like her kids would have been like something out of Oliver. The woman was already a Millionaire, their Grandmother is still alive too and their father (as far as I know). Given those circumstances I think I'd rather a few normal private weeks/months with my kids.

As far as I know Shooter,she wasn't wealthy in the way you might think.
After the whole BB-Shilpa fiasco she lost out on all deals that were on the table.

So, she saw a way to make money back through her illness. I honestly can't blame her.
She was never going to be around to benefit from it and she knew that.
But she also knew that her kids would.

I am not a major fan of hers but I can see why she did what she did.

aoibhebree

Venom wrote: »

How badly did Jade need money for her kid's tho? I was under the impression she had made quite a bit with the aftermath of her original BB stint, the various big pay outs for interviews, keep fit vids and perfume. I know the racist stuff on CBB ****ed up some **** for her but not to the point she was completly skint?

I'd imagine it's about the loss of control. She'd probably always imagined that, whatever her kids needs were in the future, the money was there and if necessary she could always find ways to make more. When she found out she was dying, that control was taken from her.

In her final months I suppose it made her happy to know that, if her kids in the future needed money for medical expenses/education/who knows what else, she had ensured that the money was there. And if that's what made a dying woman happy, who are we to begrudge her that?

For the record, I'm not a Jade fan. I just think it's appropriate to allow others to choose their own ways of living (and dying) without judging them.

humbert

If we are to be honest, she was a media craving wart on society. Any good that has come as a result of her cancer is an auspicious side affect of her media whoring nature.

That probably sounds very cruel, but it's simply the truth as I see it.

kittensoft1984

Why do we need 2 threads on the death of Jade Goody?

Sharpshooter

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

Why do we need 2 threads on the death of Jade Goody?

One is a condolence thread, and this one is a discussion.;)

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Last year she was a racist........and now shes a hero!! never liked her and im not going to pretend i ever did! peoples opinion changed just because she died....people only liked her because she was blatently annoying and stupid which equalled entertaining.

kittensoft1984

Sharpshooter wrote: »

One is a condolence thread, and this one is a discussion.;)

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

Terry

Fighting Irish wrote: »

"now ye're talkin'"

unless a mod doesn't like what you say

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Sharpshooter

benwavner wrote: »

people only liked her because she was blatently annoying and stupid which equalled entertaining.

I don't like blatantly annoying people.
Who does?
And it doesn't equal entertainment afaik.

She is dead and gone now, so there won't be anymore Jade Threads,hopefully.

Unpossible

I never watched big brother and only ever knew of her from sunday newspapers that my parents bought, I was out of the country for 4 years and since returning I don't buy red tops so I was never really bothered by her being in the media. I do think it speaks volumes about both our society and agents/managers to see people get famous for doing nothing. But fair play to the woman she made money for herself and children.

I didn't know she had cancer until I read somewhere that she was told it spread and was terminal. It sends chills down my spine to imagine how it must feel to be told your children will grow up witout you and you only have a short time left with them. Hopefully they will be well taken care of with her money.

Terry

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

Most of trolls have been tucked into bed by their mammies.

KnifeWRENCH

I neither liked nor disliked Jade Goody. However I don't think she really was as stupid as she made herself out to be. She made a name for herself despite having no noticeable talent - I think she played up the "dumb" act because anytime I saw her being interviewed she seemed like an average, decent enough person.
Did she ever contribute anything great to society in her life? No. But in reality, neither do most people. She shouldn't be spoken about like she was a saint just because she's dead but there's no need to villify and mock her either.

Chewie wrote: »

I never disliked the girl. Until now.

......
what I do feel sorry for is every other young man or woman who lost their battle and got no recognition.

Jade already made her money. Her boys would have been fine. She was greedy goody and thats all.

DieselQueen wrote: »

Like I know, she was milking it for her kids and all, but there are people dying of cancer all the time, and they are not given the oppurtunity to build up nest egg for their kids through media attention.

In fairness it wasn't her fault that other young people died without the oppurtunity to get rich that she had. She put herself in the media spotlight, the media fell in love with her and that's why her death is supposedly a "bigger deal" than the death of other young people from cancer.

PK2008 wrote: »

I think Jade has always represented something more than she was- she was the personification of the "famous for nothing" the "successful for all the wrong reasons" reality show celebrity era that alot of working people resent

but then she was just a human, she made some mistakes- which she paid for and she took some risks that paid off.

She never was someone who should have been celebrated but she never did anything to be demonised in death for either

+ 1, well said.

congo_90

aoibhebree wrote: »

I've a feeling there'll be a lot of people posting here, claiming they couldn't care less about her and giving out about all the undue attention she's receiving ... and yet by reading and replying to the thread, they're showing their interest in her, and giving her more attention

When she was alive, before she was ill, I thought she was a bit of an eejit.

When she got sick, I felt very sorry for her - no one deserves cancer and all the crap that goes with it. I have to admit that at first I thought she was probably exaggerating the severity of her illness.

Now she's dead, I feel awful for her poor kids. I also feel awful for the families bereaved by the death of any family member - it happens everyday, Jade doesn't deserve more sympathy or respect than anyone else, but she certainly doesn't deserve less either.

hmm strange up till she died I figured I would've been one of those posts. but having a close to link to several people with cancer myself I can't really laugh at it anymore and think the woman actually done a good thing to bring to the world that celebs are just as human (ok she had a media frenzy) but it just shows the pain people go through and the transformation.
or maybe i'm talking cr@p who knows

skyhighflyer

Her death is filed under the 'entertainment' tab on RTE's website.

I think that pretty much says it all.

RIP

Agent Smith

sad that her kids have lost their mother, i'm far older and would be devestated if i lost mine.

I think gordan brown is slightly going over the top tbh

Kazaap

I think she was a horrible, horrible person. I also think its disgraceful such a scummy racist like herself can be glorified so much in the press. I wonder if Nick Griffin will get the same treatment once he passes on.

Rented Mule

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

You have to read through the first 11 pages before the name of the thread was changed. It is at that point where it became a 'condolence thread'.

markesmith

Sad to see a young woman die. That said, let's not canonise her. She was a human being, but she ended up being a role model for young women who idolise the pursuit and cult of fame, those who want to be famous at all costs.

She's more a symptom of the total escapism practiced by the tabloid newspapers and Sky News.

Next up: "Brave" Paul Gasgoigne.

TheAlmightyZeus

Honestly, I don't really care. Had it been someone I liked or had any respect for I would perhaps take a moment to remember them but there is nothing to remember her for.

WindSock

Jade: From Baddy to Goody.

Zadkiel

Kazaap wrote: »

I think she was a horrible, horrible person. I also think its disgraceful such a scummy racist like herself can be glorified so much in the press. I wonder if Nick Griffin will get the same treatment once he passes on.

I don't think she was a racist tbh.
She was the type of person who said what came straight into her head.
She may have been ignorant but she was painted in the light of a malicious racist by the media.

Glorifying her sells papers again. She put herself in the public eye to earn more money for her kids so if nothing else she was a good mother, which in itslef is no easy task.

I dont get all the media hype over people who've done nothing either but I feel for her family and anyone else who's lost a loved one to cance.

RIP

Dragan

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

I think there should be threads on more worthy topics.
People are starving in Africa, yet we're talking about a single woman dying of cancer. Go figure.

So start them?

carrieb

"If nothing else she has helped to highlight an issue that affects millions and for that she should be commended."

I dont get this sort of comment. Commended for what?! Getting cancer, she hardly did it for the good of mankind.
And if you mean going public, it was Jade Goody, she went public about everything in her life, she didnt do it for anyone other then herself.

I never liked her but if course no1 deserves cancer and so it is sad. Feel sorry for her kids.

Have to admit was quite shocked when she actually died, a teeny part of me (quite a bitchy part) always expected to find out that she didnt actually have cancer at all! :eek:

Lockstep

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

Because the condolence thread is to be a condolence thread.

This is where we can say things about her aside from her miserable we are from her death and what a wonderful person she was.

Dudess

Kazaap wrote: »

I think she was a horrible, horrible person. I also think its disgraceful such a scummy racist like herself can be glorified so much in the press. I wonder if Nick Griffin will get the same treatment once he passes on.

You're hardly comparing like with like. The so-called "racist" incident wasn't even racist. It doesn't put her in the same bracket as the leader of the BNP.

carrieb wrote: »

"If nothing else she has helped to highlight an issue that affects millions and for that she should be commended."

I dont get this sort of comment. Commended for what?! Getting cancer, she hardly did it for the good of mankind.
And if you mean going public, it was Jade Goody, she went public about everything in her life

Spot-on.

Have to admit was quite shocked when she actually died, a teeny part of me (quite a bitchy part) always expected to find out that she didnt actually have cancer at all! :eek:

Me too. She was that much of a publicity whore and badly in need of having the public on her side in order to rescue her plummeting stock. I didn't think she'd have stooped so low as to pretend she had cancer, of her own accord, but publicists capable of orchestrating such a campaign on her behalf? Wouldn't doubt it at all.

0ubliette

R.I.P in peace

dr.bollocko

0ubliette wrote: »

R.I.P in peace

Rest in peace in peace?

Hagar

She was just a sad victim of the cult of celebrity.

themadchef

Never liked her, and don't blame her for milking every last cent out of it for her kids....if that's really the reason she done it.

All this "oh she raised awareness of cancer" of course she did? there was no way not to.

As a parent i can see how she would want to leave them the money she got from filming, BUT, what of those last few months, those lasting memories of their Mam? constantly followed by cameras.... give me time with my mother any day.

TwoShedsJackson

Why the hell are people posting RIP?

She was a celebrity chav who died young. It's terrible she died young, with two kids left behind, and I feel as sorry for her and them as I would for any other complete stranger to me who I heard died.

But all this 'oh Jade RIP and you died on mothers day, how sad' would you ever fu<k off.

SheroN

She's the new Princess Di.

Quazzie

I feel sorry for the two kids and genuinely think she was just a pawn for the media. She was a dumb girl that caught up in the hype and believed the tripe that the media and Max Clifford were feeding her. I also believe she had good intentions about going so public about her death. I feel a bit of sorrow for her kids who it must be hard for, or will be, but in regards her death, and its overall effect, the world has lost nothing, and will still turn without her.

VERDICT: Meh!

thebigcheese22

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Nothing stopping you from starting topics on more worthy threads.

Go figure.

Well as a previous poster stated, Africa threads aren't interesting to people - evidence of that was that noone commented on the excellent article she posted. Its not just Africa, its just theres a lot more worthy things to be discussed and debated than her.

I do feel sorry for her kids, but a previous poster rightly asked why didnt she give some of the money she made to a cancer charity? Also, I sincerely doubt she would have done anything for charity before she was diagnosed with this desease.

And btw I'm not a heartless bastard!

Mr.Lizard

To all the people who say she deserves respect for increasing cancer awareness I have to respectfully disagree. Any awareness she may have made have raised was purely a side-effect as far as I (and I'm guessing her too?) am concerned. Everything she did, she did for her own selfish interests and that of her family. She made somewhere in the region of 1million euro for her wedding BUT out of interest how much of that went to cancer research or cancer charities? The only case of cancer she cared about was her own .... and clearly she didn't care to much about that either if the pictures of sky news with her lighting up a fag 2 seconds after being wheelchaired out of hospital are to be believed. A great example!

Jade's was vile person and in my opinion and (contrary to her persona) a scheming abuser and manipulator of the media (rather than merely a victim). Anyone who was able to amass a fortune of nearly £10million pounds over a seven year period without displaying any particular talent couldn't be anything but a knowing player. It was only a pity that people like Max Clifford, Endemol and various other media goons gave her a platform to display herself on in the first place. But then 'they're only in business, right? They're only pandering to the lowest common denominator, right? That may be right, but stuff like Cliffords coverage and shows Big Brother are only serving to lower this LCD even further and that's when this Jade-Media axis becomes a very real issue.

The main reason I have a issue with Jade is not because she was a uncouth, selfish, racist, idiot but moreso the level of exposure she was able to garnish for herself promoting this image. I really feel there is a strong trickle-down effect between how people are portrayed in the media and how many people in the real world act and comport themselves. If this is so then it is important that the Jade's of this world are not given the exposure they (in my opinion) do not deserve. There's one gone now, we don't need an army to rise in her place.

Das Kitty

I feel neither glad nor sad. I can honestly say I felt no emotion when I heard this yesterday morning.

What I thought was interesting though about her life and death, is that she was the poster-girl for "famous for being famous". Her life spiraled to a level beyond a BrassEye Special, utterly surreal I still don't know how any of this is true. Her emergence signaled the rise in "celebrity culture", hopefully her death is its crescendo and it will die away a bit (I'm not naive enough to think it's dead as well).

All feelings positive and negative toward her stem from people sneering / laughing at her thickness, the "ah didn't she do well for someone who's such a dumbass" or the "I can't believe someone who's so stupid is so loved!".

Then the whole "racist" thing turned those who pitied her to the other side of the argument, forgetting that it was them who created this monster. Them who read her paid interviews, bought her perfume, were fascinated by her every bowel movement.

I just hope Max Clifford dismantles his horrific milking machine now and gives her kids a chance.

Dudess

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

The main reason I have a issue with Jade is not because she was a uncouth, selfish, racist, idiot but moreso the level of exposure she was able to garnish for herself promoting this image. I really feel there is a strong trickle-down effect between how people are portrayed in the media and how many people in the real world act and comport themselves. If this is so then it is important that the Jade's of this world are not given the exposure they (in my opinion) do not deserve.

Well that begs the much disputed question: does the media create us or do we create it? In my opinion, the answer is yes on both counts. I'm of the view that there is a celebration of stupidity - a sort of sneering at intelligence. That girl who got pretty much every question right on University Challenge got awful abuse for being a "swot".

I don't think Jade can be blamed for this, I think she just happened to be part of it.

Smart Bug

0ubliette wrote: »

R.I.P in peace

Rust In Pieces in peace

Mr.Lizard

It is a real chicken and the egg scenario.

However, imho, I think a lot of it is media created and the public just follow (rather than the media just reacting to public views). If Gail Trimble's performances had been presented as heroic and amazing then I don't think you'd have had a sway of resentment from people calling her a freak etc. Similarily you portray Jade Goody as a queen of hearts on her final days and many people just buy into it. They don't seem to have any decision making ability.

aoibhebree

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

The only case of cancer she cared about was her own .... and clearly she didn't care to much about that either if the pictures of sky news with her lighting up a fag 2 seconds after being wheelchaired out of hospital are to be believed. A great example!

Just to clarify ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1153356/How-lollipop-helping-Jade-beat-pain-cancer.html

Mr.Lizard

aoibhebree wrote: »

Just to clarify ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1153356/How-lollipop-helping-Jade-beat-pain-cancer.html

Fair enough. The rest still stands.

dlambirl

I've said before on another thread that its only gonna be a matter of time until all those magazines like Bella and Chat and all the rest of them will be full with stories on "How Jade Goody Saved My Life" and the story will revolve how Jades public cancer battle made thousands of yound women (and not so young) go for vital smear tests that showed up something.......

No matter if you liked her or loathed her, her disease and death has made alot of people look at a vital test that many have put off for years and with her very public disease and death it may shock a few people into getting the smear test done that they otherwise would of put off...

R.I.P Jade

Lockstep

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

Well as a previous poster stated, Africa threads aren't interesting to people - evidence of that was that noone commented on the excellent article she posted. Its not just Africa, its just theres a lot more worthy things to be discussed and debated than her.

I do feel sorry for her kids, but a previous poster rightly asked why didnt she give some of the money she made to a cancer charity? Also, I sincerely doubt she would have done anything for charity before she was diagnosed with this desease.

And btw I'm not a heartless bastard!

People will post on whatever is in the public eye. If a particularly headwrecking incident occured in Africa, then someone will undoubtedly post something on it.

Jade is in the papers, as such, topics will arise about her.

Nothing to do with what's "worthy", just what is in the limelight.

I agree with your attitude to Jade though.

Twilightning

Heard all about it on Sky News. There were stories a few days ago about soldiers dying in Afghanistan and parents losing their court bid to keep their baby alive, but as soon as this whale finally gives in to cancer, it's BREAKING NEWS and everything else is put on hold so we can get a 'round the clock viewing of the mourners for a woman who accomplished absolutely nothing in her lifetime, not being even a bit worthy of the attention she received.

But the story on Sky died down after a while and I eventually got to find out what the weather would be like the next day, so all wasn't lost.

Just waiting on the next scapegoat now. :rolleyes:

Iang87

yep i agree, too much attention for a woman who initially became famous for being stupid. Sad that she died of cancer so do a lot of people tho. There was a question asked by the person who started the thread. Has your opinion changed now that she's dead?

I'll ask the thread starter why would my opinion change now that she's dead?

Twilightning

Iang87 wrote: »

yep i agree, too much attention for a woman who initially became famous for being stupid. Sad that she died of cancer so do a lot of people tho. There was a question asked by the person who started the thread. Has your opinion changed now that she's dead?

I'll ask the thread starter why would my opinion change now that she's dead?

I don't believe in the saying "Never speak ill of the dead" and I'm not about to apply those words in this case. She was a moron when she was alive and it's how I'll always remember her. Providing she stays in my memory any longer than a week.

I think Mr Lizard liked Jade Goody :P

CathyMoran

I was upset about her death, as I would anyone who has died from cancer, especially someone so young.

I am on another forum for a less well known cancer and they were going on about how they wished another celebrity who had just died from the condition had gone public - personally I think that it is their right to do what they want but it is a widely held viewpoint in some places...at least Jade gave cervical cancer publicity - far more will go for smears.

panda100

I find it quite curious that people I have spoken to about Jade have said that they didnt like Jade very much until recently.

I watched the Big Brother that she was in all those years ago and thought she was quite an amiable girl. She seemed to me to want to be liked by the others in the house who seemed to turn their noses up at her beacuse she wasnt the brightest or best looking women in the house. After that she had to deal with the English media comparing her to a pig and calling her stupid. She wasnt stupid just not very knowledgable about a few things.

Yes, she came across badly in the Celebrity Big Brother house. But I was always quite pissed of that Danielle Loyd got of scot free for her very racist remarks compared to Jade's.

As far as celebritys go she was not the worst. In fact I always quite liked her which is quite odd because I am usually a very harsh critic of the whole 'clebrity culture'.

Alan1988

She raised awareness of cancer and the importance of getting things checked out.

KamiKazi

zing