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mysterious wrote: »And you believe what you hear. I Think my stance in the world on these issue is far more thought out, because I question reality.:p
Conspiracy type guys. I get banned from those websites. Cus I'm to informing and straight to the point on it. The government create those websites. I can see through all of that jazz, So to be quite frank im well ahead of you;)
Why can you prove us wrong about the American elite plotting 9/11 to start wars. Cus that's exactly what happened. duh.
ROFL....................................................................:pac:
anti American. give me a break. Do you really think the Iranian people get up every day and sprout this crap, like you just said. Do you actually know this, do you go out and ask these people.
Or wait you drule at the telly and lap up to everything the elites and medai say. Oh yes good god.
Can you explain what you mean by "mni wars"
You seriously watch to much television. OH MY GOD. That has been debunked two years ago. You know where these statements came from right wing new groups such as fox news within America. This is called propaganda. The Iranian leader did not state these things. The Iranian leader has publically stated on several news stations, at several mettings, one in particular with the Russian president last year and finally he even went to a UN meeting around this time last year stating
He does not want to go to war with Israel. he does need to go to war with Israel. But he does dissagree with Israel policy and behaviour in the ME. He did state he will protect his country by all means. But he has no interest in going to war with Israel or America. If he did would know the faith of his own country.
You seriously fall for propaganda. This claim of inciting israel of the map has been widely debunked well over a year ago. He has debunked that himself ffs.
Of course you can prove us all here that he did say that.
The tensions are there, because Israel wants Iraq and Iran depleted and under zionism control. Like America has Iraq now as it's pernament base within the ME.
No it's not bull****, you might actually want to take a deep breath and study body language. Seriously try it:rolleyes:
For two years America and Israel have been provoking Iran since Jan 07 precisely. This was the time when Bush wanted a no diplomacy policy in the ME. bomb and destroy even if it meant WW3. Bush said these words. This was the goal of zionism in the ME. That was the goal of America, since America is vested after oil and money interests.
Iran has even more oil than Iraq. That is the reality here. Not this crapoloy you repeat from those crappy cable newshows:rolleyes:
Iranians are people, it's not about been goodie goodie. Americans have no right to invade or put its mouth in front of this case. If anyone is not behaving appropriately it's Israel and America.
Sorry to burst your marbles.
Oh yes you do, you replicate exactly what they say. So please don't defend youself, I can see exactly where your coming from and where you get this ****e from.
NO you don't.......
Okay put it this way. I'm on many millitary/war/politics forums including boards. And your the first person I've met on boards. who clearly knows very little on what's really going on within the ME
I have to say that some American's even know more about this than you.
Seriously.
(1)Can I just ask, and be truthful. are you just having me on or are you being serious? Cause i'd like to know before I go on
(2)You don't question reality, you like to act like you know what's going on in the real world. Reality is as we see, people are dying everyday, that's reality, people are starving in third world countries, that's reality, America and Iran's problems being the basis of money? That's not reality, that's an assumption. You assume you see things truthfully, but how can you be any more right then me?
(3)Lol, stilling playing the propaganda thing eh? I don't even watch that much TV anyway, but that being said, in the past people would say i'm paranoid but you cleary take the medal. By the way as a person who is studying to be a journalist I can't exactly get away from the media, i'm kind've stuck, but hey, you are too.
(4)When I said mini wars, I meant the sort of things the Americans and Russians got upto during the Cold War. I.E Iran supports Hamas, and therefore aids them, where as America see Hamas as a terrorist threat and supports Isreal. They aren't technically fighting one another but they'll try to use other means in screwing the other one. Iran dropping the dollar is Iran saying F*ck you to America.
(5)I actually agree with you that the Iranian leader didn't make those claims as it has since been aired that he was misquoted. But fact is, America and Isreal saw it differently and therefore were prepared to go to war.
(6)Isreal does not care about Iraq or Iran, they just want to deal with their own affairs, Iran supports Hamas and Hezbollah and therefore Isreal see them as a threat. But not just that, being that Isreal is the only Jewish state in the Middle-East next to Palestine, Isreal are sort of in a little bit of a trouble because they have potentially, two enemies bordering them and have two Militant factions fighting them. Are you even surprised why Isreal dosen't get on with Iran.
(7) I also agree with you that America and Isreal are not behaving appropriately and that America should only play a minimal role in Middle-Eastern affairs, I.E trying to defeat the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. But I think Iran should also stop running their mouths all the time, because that's only going to lead up to a punch in the mouth one day.
(8)lol, You cleary have to stop kissing your arse, you act like you know it all but i've seen people like you many times and none of them have come remotely close to what you preaching. I'm not saying i'm right, i'm kissing my arse as well, but you obviously don't know what you're talking about. For instance I asked you for evidence and you still have given it to me. Obiously I can't take you serious when you're basing all you facts on assumptions0 -
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mysterious wrote: »I think your trolling, so what does that say? Since you make it apparent by calling other people a troll, because they dissagree with you.
Just so we do go on. I'm allergic to bull****. Just want you to be prepared for that.
Well since you mentioned it as a "confusion" When it was clearly not, and clearly a deliberate use of war mongering.
Something America has done quite professionaly for the last 50 years. Preaching the sheep to fight wars in the near east. To get these "terrorists"
It was clearly debunked a thousands times. To the point, he had to go to A UN MEETING AND DEBUNK IT HIMSELF:rolleyes:
Then all the crappy News networks in America, changed the tune to Paris hilton and her drunk antiques.:rolleyes: Welcome to the real world. Have you not learned that this is what the elites do. Mis inform people and fake incidents to get us into wars. As you should know, if you know, wars is about the money. America make a hell of alot of money off it. Logic and questioning the past will you tell you this. Every past president has been in a war. I don't think America has never not not been in war since post 1945.
Yet it's the terrorists causing the wars.:rolleyes:
Can you name the history book, I'm sure it's a great laugh.
I get my info, from everywhere.
I use the internet, I talk to people. I read alot about human pyscology, deception, the art of wars. I study why people turn to greed. What causes greed. What is the psycology of wars. What superpowers have done throughout history. I'm aware of my surroundings.
I don't watch news, I observe their agenda.
I dont buy into what leaders say, I buy into what leaders mean by what they say, and what they do with that. I.e actions speak louder than words.
One of the best ways to gain knowledge. Is to actually do your own research. Ask people who are from Afghanistan. Find out why people hate certain things. Find out why America wants to invade Afghanistan, rather than watching what they say and going to do via the news network.
One of the best ways, I recieved information, is been aware of yourself, what you do to others and what you provoke in others. Asking people from all sides their views. To come to balanced conclusions.
I.e
Asking an American his view on the world
Asking a Pakistani his view on the world
Put them together and you will see the issue clearly and balanced.
Rather than typcial you, going on oneside all the time.
P.S I travelled to South Africa, I have many muslims relatives. I have been to America when 9/11 happened. I have many friends from Pakistan. my cousin Lives in Dubai. So I gain my knowledge via reality.
Then I have an intuition and mastered logic. This is called discerning, one of the most purest ways of percepting the world around you.;)
Of course.
What evidence do you want me to back up. What evidence do you have to offer? Other than pointing fingers all the time
Well check my history. BTW boards is only a fraction from what sites I covered on the net.
I have blogs running for christ sakes. I just don't want to waste time entertaining you. To me you have much to learn. I really don't want to put al my energies in trying to educate you on this.
Now i'm losing my paitence.
Stop accusing people of trolling. I'll report post next time you do.
(1)I'm not calling you a troll because you're disagreeing with me. I'm calling you a troll because your comments seem to be made up with an intent to annoy me. For instance in a previous post you said you've questioned reality since you were a very young child. That sounds rather far fetched and made up, how can a child be able to understand the concept of reality and question it? it's not something children generally think about.
(2)If you want some of the history books then,- World Politics Since 1945 by Peter Calvoressi. Published in 1991 by Longman London and New York
- The War for Palestine: Rewriting History of 1948, Edited by Eugene L. Rogan and Avi Shlaim. Published in 2001 by Cambridge University Press. Edinburgh building, Cambridge CB2, 2RU, UK
- The Other Side of Israel: My Journal across the Jewish-Arab divide by Susan Nathan. Published by Harper Collins Publishers. 77-85 Fulham Road Hammersmith, London.
- Holy Land: Unholy War by Anton La Guardia. Published in 2001 by John Murray(Publishers) LTD. 50 Albemarle Street, London.
- The Other Side of Israel: My Journal across the Jewish-Arab divide by Susan Nathan. Published by Harper Collins Publishers. 77-85 Fulham Road Hammersmith, London.
- Dictatorship and Demoracy 1920-1945
- Divison and realightment 1945-1992
BTW you're not the only who get's your information from everywhere, i've also dealt with psychology and books on politics as well as the internet, fact is we just view the world in two different perspectives however I would say if we weren't arguing I would say we would be agreeing because we have the same way of life. We build our own views on things rather then listen to what the news and politicians tells us.
(3)You ask people from Afghanistan what they think, have you asked them about what they think of the Taliban and Al Qaeda? and Ameirca's involvement with them. I'm sure you've also asked them about why they hate America and whether or not they believe the threat is really America or the Taliban? People say foolish things as well without even listening to reason, for instance the IRA, think it's that simple to just get a United Ireland, they haven't even considered whether or not the Republic would accept them and the procedures that would need to be in place to do this, but instead they prefer to ignore this and kill innocent people anyway. All i'm saying is people don't know what's good for them and therefore like to say things because they think it's for the best.
(4)Mastered logic? I can't take you seriously because frankly i don't know you and therefore I don't trust you, I can't go by just your words and therefore I don't believe you. have you even wondered why you've been banned from other sites.
(4)The evidence I want you to back up is evidence that supports your argument, so far all you've done is give me you assumptions and theorys but it's all meaningless without the proper evidence because i can't take just your word for it, i need hard evidence that support your belief that all the stuff going on the Middle-East is caused by just money and propaganda. About what the Americans true intentions are, and whether or not Iran is the victim here or is it a two way street.
BTW, since I asked you first for your evidence i think it's only polite that you give me your evidence, before I give mine. After all it's you who trying to prove me wrong.0 -
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Dude, take it or leave it, but my advice is not to invest any more mental energy in arguing with this 'mysterious' person.
It is pointless.
Your post is pointless. I'm sure Riddler is old enough to make his own decisions on whether he wants to contribute to the thread.
What have you contributed to this thread. Other than critizing others and myself... Hypocrisy much? My suggestion to you, is practise what you preach, before you start advising others.
Did you read the title of the thread, The thread isn't about me, so stop directing personal judgments towards me.
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